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I read various topics on forums, realized that people do not quite understand what they are buying and how the CC delivery processes occur, which is why there is a lot of swearing, questions, searches for adequate material, and so on, so I decided to write an article, I think many will be interested.
1. Suppliers who mine the material themselves:
Material mining: Costs and difficulties
In the first part of the article, we will consider the most important part of the CC cycle - Material mining.
Despite the fact that CC material is considered one of the cheapest, their mining is a complex and costly process. Many suppliers are faced with the challenge of recouping costs, and in order to speed up sales, they often prefer to sell the material to several shops at once. Thus, if a shop has large and fast sales, having sold the material in two different shops, the seller almost does not make returns because the mat, although sold in two hands, is usually still alive. Alive, but far from valid, making a profit with such a mat is almost unrealistic.
Such multiple sales of material entails its own difficulties. Often, buyers, purchasing the same material from different sellers, face a situation when the material has already been checked (the checker shows "live"). However, according to the rules of most stores, the buyer has no right to demand a refund after making a purchase.
That is, in fact, the buyer buys invalid material, but the checker shows that it is valid, and he will not return the money.
Quality problems due to the incompetence of miners:
However, not only repeated sales affect the quality of the material. An important aspect is the incompetence of the miners themselves. There are often cases when miners know how to mine, but in their souls they do not have a clue what to do with the mat and how to use it. Sometimes they even recheck the entire volume before putting it up for sale (I saw how such a seller openly wrote about this in a topic on the forum, while he does not even realize what he is doing). This leads to a loss of validity of the material, and, unfortunately, even experienced miners sometimes do not realize that they are killing the material. And all the explanations that the checker is some kind of special and does not kill the material, it's all nonsense!
Thus, at the first level of the CC material supply chain, there is often a serious deterioration in the overall quality of the product, caused by repeated sales, inexperience of miners and incompetent handling of the material.
That is, already at this level, greed and ignorance make just numbers out of the material, although greed will be at all levels ....
2. Suppliers - Resellers:
Reselling Material: Between Transparency and Risk
The second part of our article concerns those who are engaged in reselling material. On some forums, we can meet sellers who prefer not to deal with stores and offer mined bases wholesale.
It is interesting to note that such sellers, as a rule, offer databases of not very large volumes, which may indicate that they are mined independently, given the difficulties and costs of this process. In fact, it is very rare to find databases of several thousand cards, not to mention tens of thousands or hundreds when we talk about good quality.
I do not want to say that all sellers are bad and their quality is crap and so on. Many of them honestly mine and sell the material, maintaining high standards. However, it should be recognized that the number of such honest sellers is perhaps not as large as we would like...
Mining costs and the risk of multiple sales:
The costs of mining the material remain significant, and given the cheapness of the databases, many resellers prefer to buy them in bulk and sell them in shops at a higher price. This can lead to multiple sales of the material (after all, these are at least second-hand), as well as to a situation where resellers who are not particularly versed in working with the material simply recheck the database and put it up for sale in the shop.
All wholesale base buyers pursue only one goal, profit, and do not always have sufficient experience working with the material. They can buy a base, check it and put it up for sale in stores, without realizing all the intricacies of working with the material. And yes, at this level, too, the bases can be completely re-minted, can fly to different shops, and so on.
Thus, there is already a double risk, the risk that the miner works dishonestly and, for example, sold to several hands, or re-checked the entire base and the risk that the second hands (resellers) did the same ...
It is important to note that the bases will still have a high validity, very shortly, but the validity will be.
3. Suppliers reselling the material for the third to fifth time:
Frank chaos: reselling obscenities with a validity of 5%
The third part of the article reveals the extreme degree of chaos in the supply chain of CC material. We often come across ads or spam mailings from teams offering to buy up material with a validity of 3% (Just look at the forums, pay attention to the spam in the toad in the telegram). These teams buy huge bases of such material, recheck them and put them up in shops, usually in several shops at once. All those bases that such teams buy, they have already passed the first and second levels as described above, sometimes several times.
Ignoring quality in favor of quantity...
Taking into account the previous stages of the supply chain, we can only imagine what condition this material is in before it is rechecked and put up for sale. It is important to note that such material is often purchased in huge quantities, bases of several hundred thousand CC are rechecked and put up in shops again.
An interesting fact, most of this market is held by the Chinese, it is quite normal to find an ad on their special resources "we buy material from third to fifth hands" - this is quite normal. All this chaos spreads across all shops and naturally in most cases the checker will show validity and the shop will not make a refund to you.
The result of the above, the times when the validity of the material can only be determined by the checker are long gone.
Let's move on.
4. Shops ...
You can often see banners or ads of shops that say that "we have millions of CVV, we replenish 100k every day ..."
What the hell? I do not want to say that all the material there is like in the third point of our article, but it is more than 90%.
And this means that it is almost impossible to find good, really good material from first hands among all this.
Considering the prices for advertising, development, and maintaining the shop, it's not hard to guess that the administration often turns a blind eye to the fact that the material is from a fifth hand, the main thing is that the Checker shows that it's valid... I'll even say more, I won't go into details, but I know for sure that some shop admins leak obscenities to other shops, that is, the material goes around in circles again and naturally it's rechecked several times.
You can just do a little math... Let's say a miner mints 200 cards a day, so that he says that they add 40k cards every day (I won't even mention those shops that allegedly add 200k every day), it turns out 200 sellers at 200 CC a day (At the same time, not everyone can mint 200 CC a day, as a rule, it's 200-300 per month). Yes, I agree that there are people who mint much more every day, but this is more of an exception. 200 sellers? Yes, yes, from my experience, I can say in a shop where there are 200 sellers, 195 of them are sellers from the third point.
Such shops sometimes even ban their sellers. But here's an interesting fact, they usually do not remove the material of these sellers from sale...
Why do shops do this? Yes, because there is an opinion that the more material It was based on the above that the decision was made to remove limbo from public to completely immerse himself in Private. close registration and make it only by invites, the better, the more sales. This is partly true, because people come and look for their bins. But what's the point of finding them, but they are all minted several times and have been in many hands. But the shop needs to cover costs and still make money .. So after all this, the buyer gets CC, material from which only Vanga, well, or Copperfield could have hammered. This is not to mention those cool carders who first buy, then check in the shop, then check somewhere else, then go to enter and then write in tickets "return my money for bad mat". So all these tales about "carding is dead" or "it doesn't give as much as before" are all just ignorance of the ongoing processes.
Based on the above, it was decided to remove limbo from the public and completely immerse it in private. From the New Year, registration will be available only by invites. Unclear sellers are not allowed to sell. Sellers will be checked selectively, typing their material manually and not by checkers, if the material does not meet the quality, sellers will fly to the bathhouse and their swear words into the trash.
Yes, there will be much less material and there is already much less of it, because for the last two weeks we have been strictly cleaning sellers. But less CC of higher quality is better than the declared millions of cards in other shops that have been re-minted and have been in several hands.
Good luck and profit to everyone.
1. Suppliers who mine the material themselves:
Material mining: Costs and difficulties
In the first part of the article, we will consider the most important part of the CC cycle - Material mining.
Despite the fact that CC material is considered one of the cheapest, their mining is a complex and costly process. Many suppliers are faced with the challenge of recouping costs, and in order to speed up sales, they often prefer to sell the material to several shops at once. Thus, if a shop has large and fast sales, having sold the material in two different shops, the seller almost does not make returns because the mat, although sold in two hands, is usually still alive. Alive, but far from valid, making a profit with such a mat is almost unrealistic.
Such multiple sales of material entails its own difficulties. Often, buyers, purchasing the same material from different sellers, face a situation when the material has already been checked (the checker shows "live"). However, according to the rules of most stores, the buyer has no right to demand a refund after making a purchase.
That is, in fact, the buyer buys invalid material, but the checker shows that it is valid, and he will not return the money.
Quality problems due to the incompetence of miners:
However, not only repeated sales affect the quality of the material. An important aspect is the incompetence of the miners themselves. There are often cases when miners know how to mine, but in their souls they do not have a clue what to do with the mat and how to use it. Sometimes they even recheck the entire volume before putting it up for sale (I saw how such a seller openly wrote about this in a topic on the forum, while he does not even realize what he is doing). This leads to a loss of validity of the material, and, unfortunately, even experienced miners sometimes do not realize that they are killing the material. And all the explanations that the checker is some kind of special and does not kill the material, it's all nonsense!
Thus, at the first level of the CC material supply chain, there is often a serious deterioration in the overall quality of the product, caused by repeated sales, inexperience of miners and incompetent handling of the material.
That is, already at this level, greed and ignorance make just numbers out of the material, although greed will be at all levels ....
2. Suppliers - Resellers:
Reselling Material: Between Transparency and Risk
The second part of our article concerns those who are engaged in reselling material. On some forums, we can meet sellers who prefer not to deal with stores and offer mined bases wholesale.
It is interesting to note that such sellers, as a rule, offer databases of not very large volumes, which may indicate that they are mined independently, given the difficulties and costs of this process. In fact, it is very rare to find databases of several thousand cards, not to mention tens of thousands or hundreds when we talk about good quality.
I do not want to say that all sellers are bad and their quality is crap and so on. Many of them honestly mine and sell the material, maintaining high standards. However, it should be recognized that the number of such honest sellers is perhaps not as large as we would like...
Mining costs and the risk of multiple sales:
The costs of mining the material remain significant, and given the cheapness of the databases, many resellers prefer to buy them in bulk and sell them in shops at a higher price. This can lead to multiple sales of the material (after all, these are at least second-hand), as well as to a situation where resellers who are not particularly versed in working with the material simply recheck the database and put it up for sale in the shop.
All wholesale base buyers pursue only one goal, profit, and do not always have sufficient experience working with the material. They can buy a base, check it and put it up for sale in stores, without realizing all the intricacies of working with the material. And yes, at this level, too, the bases can be completely re-minted, can fly to different shops, and so on.
Thus, there is already a double risk, the risk that the miner works dishonestly and, for example, sold to several hands, or re-checked the entire base and the risk that the second hands (resellers) did the same ...
It is important to note that the bases will still have a high validity, very shortly, but the validity will be.
3. Suppliers reselling the material for the third to fifth time:
Frank chaos: reselling obscenities with a validity of 5%
The third part of the article reveals the extreme degree of chaos in the supply chain of CC material. We often come across ads or spam mailings from teams offering to buy up material with a validity of 3% (Just look at the forums, pay attention to the spam in the toad in the telegram). These teams buy huge bases of such material, recheck them and put them up in shops, usually in several shops at once. All those bases that such teams buy, they have already passed the first and second levels as described above, sometimes several times.
Ignoring quality in favor of quantity...
Taking into account the previous stages of the supply chain, we can only imagine what condition this material is in before it is rechecked and put up for sale. It is important to note that such material is often purchased in huge quantities, bases of several hundred thousand CC are rechecked and put up in shops again.
An interesting fact, most of this market is held by the Chinese, it is quite normal to find an ad on their special resources "we buy material from third to fifth hands" - this is quite normal. All this chaos spreads across all shops and naturally in most cases the checker will show validity and the shop will not make a refund to you.
The result of the above, the times when the validity of the material can only be determined by the checker are long gone.
Let's move on.
4. Shops ...
You can often see banners or ads of shops that say that "we have millions of CVV, we replenish 100k every day ..."
What the hell? I do not want to say that all the material there is like in the third point of our article, but it is more than 90%.
And this means that it is almost impossible to find good, really good material from first hands among all this.
Considering the prices for advertising, development, and maintaining the shop, it's not hard to guess that the administration often turns a blind eye to the fact that the material is from a fifth hand, the main thing is that the Checker shows that it's valid... I'll even say more, I won't go into details, but I know for sure that some shop admins leak obscenities to other shops, that is, the material goes around in circles again and naturally it's rechecked several times.
You can just do a little math... Let's say a miner mints 200 cards a day, so that he says that they add 40k cards every day (I won't even mention those shops that allegedly add 200k every day), it turns out 200 sellers at 200 CC a day (At the same time, not everyone can mint 200 CC a day, as a rule, it's 200-300 per month). Yes, I agree that there are people who mint much more every day, but this is more of an exception. 200 sellers? Yes, yes, from my experience, I can say in a shop where there are 200 sellers, 195 of them are sellers from the third point.
Such shops sometimes even ban their sellers. But here's an interesting fact, they usually do not remove the material of these sellers from sale...
Why do shops do this? Yes, because there is an opinion that the more material It was based on the above that the decision was made to remove limbo from public to completely immerse himself in Private. close registration and make it only by invites, the better, the more sales. This is partly true, because people come and look for their bins. But what's the point of finding them, but they are all minted several times and have been in many hands. But the shop needs to cover costs and still make money .. So after all this, the buyer gets CC, material from which only Vanga, well, or Copperfield could have hammered. This is not to mention those cool carders who first buy, then check in the shop, then check somewhere else, then go to enter and then write in tickets "return my money for bad mat". So all these tales about "carding is dead" or "it doesn't give as much as before" are all just ignorance of the ongoing processes.
Based on the above, it was decided to remove limbo from the public and completely immerse it in private. From the New Year, registration will be available only by invites. Unclear sellers are not allowed to sell. Sellers will be checked selectively, typing their material manually and not by checkers, if the material does not meet the quality, sellers will fly to the bathhouse and their swear words into the trash.
Yes, there will be much less material and there is already much less of it, because for the last two weeks we have been strictly cleaning sellers. But less CC of higher quality is better than the declared millions of cards in other shops that have been re-minted and have been in several hands.
Good luck and profit to everyone.
