Russian carder in French prison

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In this thread, the famous carder Sergey Pavlovich talks to Vladislav Khorokhorin, one of the creators of the most famous forum for cybercriminals CarderPlanet, the legendary hacker BadB. We talk about how many people he turned in and why he did it, how the American justice system works, about French and American prisons and much more.

Sergey Pavlovich asked Vlad BadB the most frank questions about carding and carders, hacking and world-famous Russian hackers Roman Seleznev (nCuX), Roman Vega (Boa), Dmitry Golubov (Script, founder of Carder Planet), Dmitry Smilyanets (Smel) and his accomplice Vladimir Drinkman (Scorpo), Estonian hacker Alexander Suvorov (Jonny Hell) and, of course, about Sergey Pavlovich (because Vlad claimed to the whole world from the screens of the Russia24 channel that I had ratted someone out somewhere). We talked about his arrest in France, escort girls, French prisons and the rules in them, extradition to the United States, how the American law enforcement and judicial systems are structured, what it's like to live with blacks in American prisons, whether it's possible to be released early and many other things that rarely make it to the big screen. Exclusive interview with Vladislav Khorokhorin – these are not hackers from our yard!

Enjoy reading!

Contents:

• Who's visiting, what's the topic?
• Have you been free for a long time?
• How did Pavlovich frame BadB?
• Did you testify against Smely (Dmitry Smilyanets)?
• Lawyer Arkady Bukh
• How to Properly Testify in the USA
• How did your testimony affect the Brave case?
• About jury trials in the USA
• Was Roman Seleznev framed by his father?
• Did you testify against Seleznev? Contradictions in BadB's answers.
• How did the Americans get your password? What was the data encrypted with?
• Do they torture in the States?
• For how many months of imprisonment did you agree to cooperate?
• How long did you serve?
• How did you get detained?
• How long were you in France? Israeli consul, French prison, ECHR.
• How Israel Cares for Its Citizens
• Do they feed you well in French prisons? A TV with a porn channel in the cell.
• What does it cost in a French prison?
• French prison contingent
• About extradition to the USA
• Prisoners' Salaries Behind Bars in France
• "Jail niggas" in the USA
• What happened when you were extradited to America?
• What is the Americans' main complaint about you?

BadB:
When would I have thought that I would drink Carder vodka with Seryozha?

Pavlovich:
Well, if you are such a saint already, if we just finish this issue once and for all.

BadB:
Phew, there are no saints here. A pug is not a comb.

Pavlovich:
The pug is dead, if you don’t know.

BadB:
Amen. In fact, you can talk complete nonsense.

Pavlovich:
You have talent for this.

BadB:
The main thing... You just need to turn on the American and say, guys, I’ll tell you everything.

Pavlovich:
In 10 minutes they caught you in contradictions.

BadB:
This is not a contradiction, it’s just a clarification.

Pavlovich:
Well, okay.

BadB:
Okay?

Pavlovich:
In short, you are such a beast, you gave evidence against everyone there, apparently, in these States.

Who is visiting, what is the topic?
Pavlovich:
Friends, hello! Glad to see you. And you have been waiting for this person for a very long time, probably a year writing. I myself could not catch him. So, for those who don’t know, let me introduce you to Vladislav Khorokhorin, aka the elusive one…

BadB:
Friends, shalom!

How long have you been free?
Pavlovich:
BadB’s carder. In short, Vladik, how long have you been free?

BadB:
Almost three years already.

Pavlovich:
Have you forgotten the weight of handcuffs?

BadB:
No, we never forget that. You’ll never forget that. Pavlovich: I can remind you. BadB: No, thanks. A girl recently tried to remind me. It didn’t work right away. How did Pavlovich set BadB up? Pavlovich: Were you playing around, right? You decided to start with witticisms, in short? To start with your sexual preferences, well, okay, in short, watch your interviews. BadB: Pavlovich, I don’t really think very highly of him. I think that Seryozha is a scoundrel and a swindler, in fact. A swindler who has set me up quite well several times. I mean specifically in business. It would be very strange for me to hear about how he set me up. Pavlovich: Set me up pretty well in what way? BadB: It was pretty well because, well, I remember, it was... Pavlovich: A face-to-face confrontation, if anyone didn't understand. BadB: It was 2003, and I lost my ICQ then, and I still don't know, to be honest, who stole it, I won't say for sure. But I do know that my contacts, along with the person who sold me the dumps, well, Gonzalez and all the others, went to Serezha.

Pavlovich:
So what does it have to do with me? First of all, I have never hacked other people's ICQ, especially yours. And secondly, all the contacts in general, yes, I always found them myself. All the contacts of the sellers of dumps, cards, all the hackers, I always found them myself.

BadB:
Got it.

Pavlovich:
So, probably, you were hasty in your statements. And the second thing right away. That I caught him for a year, yes.

BadB:
Don't trust, don't be afraid, don't abandon him. Probably, so, don't trust anyone, your friends will betray you, sell you out. This is what happened to me, they reported on me. And, probably, one of those people who reported was precisely Seryozha Pavlovich, who told about absolutely everyone.

Pavlovich:
Again, where, what did I tell about you and about everyone, what did you mean?

BadB:
Again, I'll just remind you of the chain that was there. The very first person who was caught was actually you. You had crypto on your computer that became the property of the Americans. This crypto appears in the case. I don’t know, in short, I don’t want to know how the passwords for this ended up anywhere.

Pavlovich:
Well, I described the passwords in the book, that is, it’s not a secret.

BadB:
The point is that it turns out that you ratted out, or didn’t rat out, but passed on information to Johnny Suvorov. And Suvorov, they were holding him specifically so that he would rat me out. That is, they held him, they just finished him off until he cracked, that is, or rather, until I cracked.

Pavlovich:
So why do the Americans need you if Johnny was a successful dump seller and a hacker, among other things, perhaps even more successful than you?

BadB:
No, I agree, in fact the hacker was Gonzales all the way, or someone else, I think everyone knows about it, but the point is that Johnny was caught and he was held, that is, he was in the hands of the Americans.
And in fact, I suppose, well, I can’t say such things, yes, I don’t know, the Americans…

Pavlovich:
But here you could say this.

BadB:
Yes, I say, I suppose that they could, let’s say, even drag you to America or somehow drag your testimony against me, if I really went down the path of war with them.
It seems to me so and it seems to me that in any case, this crypto and my photos and everything else from your computer appears in the case.

Pavlovich:
It is quite possible, of course, that they will arrest me, they get passwords for the crypto not from me, they don’t get it from me, you understand, and of course, but it is quite logical that it will appear in many criminal cases.

BadB:
Accordingly, my statements

Pavlovich:
Well, if you are such a saint, then let's just finish this question.

BadB:
Phew, there are no saints here.

Pavlovich:
Let's finish this question once and for all. Why then does Smely appear in the case about the number of dumps that he sold to you?

BadB:
It's not a secret at all. We just recently looked at this case. And it's not just the number of dumps that appears there, but my specific testimony appears there. That thanks to Kharakhorin's testimony, the criminal case against Smely was supported.
But in fact, it would have been supported with or without me, and in general, Smely simply did a big stupid thing by going on vacation somewhere abroad after the whole series of receptions. Did

you testify against Smely (Dmitry Smilyanets)?
Pavlovich:
Did you testify against Smely?

BadB:
Specifically, yes.

Pavlovich:
And how do you communicate with him after that?

BadB:
Listen, well, I don't know. And how is Smely still sitting there in the States? Well, that is, I don't see any problems with testimony, you understand, as a thing.
It's one thing when you understand in Russia and when here the best policy is to keep quiet and generally keep your mouth shut and generally not talk and generally do nothing. That is, I give, well, as if a hint to those people who in the future, God forbid of course, but of course they don't swear off prison and poverty, and if someone ever has to deal with Americans, in no case play the hero, there is no point in yelling and saying that I am such and such, just look at a bunch of examples, there is Roma Vega. There is Psycho, whom we essentially set up his dad. Let's talk about this later, too.

Note:
Roman Vega (Boa), born in 1965.
One of the creators of the carding forum CarderPlanet and his own website for selling stolen credit card numbers, dumps, bank card blanks and fake documents BoaFactory.
He was detained in 2003 in Cyprus and extradited to the United States.
The investigation lasted 9 years.
He served 17 years in the US and was released and extradited to Russia in early 2020.

Pavlovich:
I'll add something right away. Roma served almost 17 years in the US since 2003.

BadB:
Yes, but Roma also initially testified, that is, this is directly, if I can get this right now from Lexis, that is, we can see, in 2006 he really testified, but something went wrong in his friendship with the guys, that is, at some point he just went and had a fight with them.

Pavlovich:
With the feds?

Lawyer Arkady Bukh
BadB:
Yes, and they pinned a second case on him, for which, in fact, he served time, but initially they were not the only ones, that is, he initially collaborated with the US Secret Service.
That is, as soon as he arrived from Greece, he immediately agreed to cooperate with the US Secret Service, and Bukh was involved in the case, who really set him up for all this cooperation. Bukh is, if anyone doesn't know, a lawyer who defends and miraculously helps Russian people. That is, at what cost and how, we can talk a lot about this.

Note: Arkady Lvovich Bukh, born in 1972, a native of Azerbaijan, a lawyer for most Russian carders and hackers in America.
Graduate of New York Law School.
Lives and operates in New York, USA.

Pavlovich:
Immediately collect 10,000 likes under this topic and write thousands of comments there and we will definitely do an interview with Bukh. I already thought of a name for it, it will be called "The Devil's Advocate"

BadB:
A pug is not a comb.

Pavlovich:
The pug is dead, if you don't know. The interview with Bukh will be called "The Devil's Advocate: who, how, and for how much defends Russian carders in America". So if you want to know how Russian carders are doing in the States and how much it costs them to get lighter sentences and how realistic it is to get out early and all that. So likes and comments in short under this topic are 10,000 the next one will be an interview with Bukh.

How to give testimony in the US
BadB:
Well that's what I was talking about, I was talking about the fact that if in Russia you have to keep quiet because everything you say will be used against you then in the US you have to smile and say guys I love you I will do anything for you if you want, if you want me to tell you, if you want about your mom, if you want about your dad, that is, in fact you can talk complete nonsense, just what comes out of your mouth, you can just talk, keep talking and talking.

Pavlovich:
Well you have talent for that.

BadB:
The main thing, I think not only for me, it's probably in my blood, so talk and talk and talk, the main thing is not to stop and the main thing is to talk and smile, talk and joke and smile, and say guys, I'll just tell you everything and even as my cooperation with the Americans showed, yes, the fact that I gave them some information, I gave them a lot of nonsense.
In fact, I will not give specific cases, but when I see, for example, that they are floating in some topic and they ask, for example, they say this is this person, yes, I say yes, okay, I say this is the man there or maybe even a woman, the point is that I simply confirmed their false testimony and it worked.

How did your testimony affect the Smely case?
Pavlovich:
How did your testimony against Smely Dmitry Smelyanets affect his criminal case?

BadB:
In his criminal case they brought several charges against him and well, in fact they are mine, but I think it's no secret to anyone that the materials have already appeared on the Internet. I think that Dima very quickly agreed to cooperate and, in fact, also thanks to Arkady. And he found himself in America very wonderfully and feels great there.
That is, you can condemn him or not. This is everyone's personal business. But the man got out of prison pretty quickly.

Pavlovich:
How long did he serve? 5 years, I think, right?

BadB:
4.5. How long did he sit there with donations, how long did he sit with everything else. But the point is that Dima is a good guy and I think he did everything right. Because you can do, for example, I'll give you some sad examples. I don't know of a single successful one, when a person really went to a trial, that is, to a jury, and won.
That is, there is no devil's advocate there, there are no such things. There is no lawyer who will get you out. If they accept you, if they attach you, then there is a sufficient charge against you to sentence you to a very long term. I think there is no point in fighting. You just have to turn on the American and say, guys, I will tell you everything.
Don't turn on the hero. Heroes do not work here. Heroes sit for life.

About jury trials in the USA
Pavlovich:
Trials, I will tell you, if anyone does not know, this is a jury trial, this is when you go in refusal, do not try to negotiate with the cops somehow on mutually beneficial terms, yes, it is not necessary to give up someone there, but simply on mutually beneficial terms, you admit guilt, let's say they say, well, okay, there, you will go get 5 years, you will act like a psycho, here, you get 27 years.
And through the trial, well, when you go through, in fact, there is no chance of breaking.

Was Roman Seleznev set up by his father?
BadB:
Come on, let me tell you about Psycho simply. Probably the information that few people know. That is, Roma initially went to cooperate with the Americans too. That is, he had Bukh and, in principle, Bukh told him everything correctly.
And at the same time, his dad, his biological father, who is now a current State Duma deputy, LDPR faction, opens his safe deposit box in the bank, takes 3 million from him, sells real estate in Bali, and in general, a lot more, I will not even count other people's money, I don't really need it, but the point is that dad does this, collects his money and he owes him money on top of that and then a very interesting story happens. Then dad starts giving Roma advice and says, Roma, Russia is behind you, Russia, the Motherland, will not abandon you, we turn on the plan, this is also simply in the negotiations, here is who has such a wonderful site LexisNexis, in it you can find everything that you can find all this, and in general he says Russia will not abandon you, we turn on the plan there is Uncle Fedora and I don’t remember somehow they are so funny, or Uncle Kuzya, there is something like that, we arrange Kuzkina mother for them and here is this whole conversation, it is clear that Roma, as if everyone understands that he has a lot of money and he has earned well and so what that he has some opportunities to manipulate the investigation, maybe even escape from prison, arrange an escape for himself. And they are watching him closely. Dad is not an idiot either, if he were an idiot, I think he would not have been a deputy, although all sorts of things happen, of course, but Dad is not an idiot and he understood that all conversations were being wiretapped and nevertheless he told him all this nonsense.
I will not say, I have no evidence that Dad set him up, but I think that it is not fatherly behavior to give such advice to his son, instead of just some lawyers, some ambassadors, someone else. Simply, if you want, you can devote a separate episode to this.
But I think simply, and not only I think, but the guys with whom Roma worked believe that Dad simply set Roma up. If Roma had worked normally with the Americans and leaked his circle with whom he worked, in principle all the people.

Pavlovich:
This is all already known.

BadB:
So all these famous people have already come to the rescue.

Pavlovich:
I will explain computers are simply usually opened yes but most of us who were accepted there and in the Union and in America and therefore there is no sense there it no longer looks like surrender they see that you bought dumps from this, let's say sold to that, that is, but you confirm this and do not wriggle out, you confirm what they already see in principle, you get some acceptable term there. You go into complete refusal, and hope for the deputy's dad, who will pull you out along the political line in the confrontation between Russia and the USA, you get 27 years.

BadB:
And so with Roma, I looked at his case, they ansilized it, that is, they made it open, I looked at his case and it turns out he ratted on that one, he ratted on that one, he ratted on the third one, yes, it turns out like a magpie crows, you know, she gave it to this one, she gave it to this one but she didn’t give it to this one, he says, this is my bro, I won’t rat him out, go to hell and that’s it, and then it didn’t go any further, that is, the Americans too, but they only and still don’t care, they already got the information and here’s the deplorable result: 27 years.

Did you testify against Seleznev? Contradictions in BadB’s answers.
Pavlovich:
And did you testify against the Psycho?

BadB:
Yes, I testified against the Psycho.

Pavlovich:
Then why did you say in the interview with “Russia 24”: I didn’t testify against Seleznev because he’s my bro, we were in the bathhouse.

BadB:
I said that we were steaming, no, that's probably not the conversation

Pavlovich:
I have, I'll insert it into the video, I have, in short, where you speak against Psycho, I won't testify, because we were steaming in the bathhouse, how can I, this is my bro.

BadB:
No, in fact, I said that we were steaming in the bathhouse, but I didn't say that I didn't testify, I couldn't.
Well, if I said, probably...

Note: Roman Seleznev, aka nCuX, Track2, Bulba, 2Pac, was born in 1984. Russian carder originally from Vladivostok and the creator of one of the two largest stores in the world selling details of stolen bank cards.
Arrested in 2014 in the Maldives, forcibly taken to the United States and sentenced to 27 years in prison. The Americans estimated the damage from Seleznev's actions at 170 million dollars. Roman's father is a current State Duma deputy from the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia.

BadB:
Well, okay, in short.

Pavlovich:
Okay, let's check.

BadB: They
caught him, yes. Pavlovich: We had to take him apart after all. BadB: Well, yes, we had to. They tried to put pressure on me and Roma. They said, do you want to testify against him? What Roma? Seleznev. We'll give you a witness protection program and everything you want. I said, we went to the bathhouse together. And you know about it? Great. I said, what testimony? It's one thing to snitch, but to simply go up against him in court and look him in the eye and say, yes, you did this and that. I said, go to hell. Pavlovich: The point is that... We've caught you for the third time already, in 10 minutes we caught you in contradictions.

BadB:
These are not contradictions, this is just a clarification. Okay. Okay, they just wanted me to testify against him directly in court. They wanted me to stand up and go out and say, I am such and such. I swear there. That is, if he went to the trial, they wanted me to do it. And that is what I refused to do. Well, because I had to testify against him in court.

Pavlovich:
To see him.

BadB:
Yeah, to see him and say it to his face. But I wouldn’t have been able to do that. Well, yeah. That is, they ask before that, like, did you give evidence. I never made a secret that I gave it.

Pavlovich:
In short, you are such a bastard, you gave evidence against everyone there, it seems, in those states.

BadB:
Listen, well, they opened the computer and just, well, according to the list, that is, I already told you, yes, the situation was that I had crypto in the computer, yes, and this crypto, the password turned out to be such that we changed it just according to some agreement, that is, it was a deal, yes, I give them the password, well, and...

How did the Americans get your password? What was the data encrypted with?
Pavlovich:
What was the disk encrypted with, by the way?

BadB:
TrueCrypt, but now it is Veracrypt. The program is very reliable, it is developed by the French and there is nothing better now, at least I recommend it. Some others, for example, I had an Apple computer. They literally opened the Apple in two days, that is, I had two computers. I had a regular Windows Book.

Pavlovich:
But TrueCrypt can be installed on an Apple without any problems, I have it installed.

BadB:
Yes, but if it worked on an Apple, yes. that is, but they didn't crack Truecrypt, not at Apple, not at Sony, anywhere, so Truecrypt works fine

Pavlovich:
In short, if you decide to rob the US or not only the US, use Truecrypt.

BadB:
In fact, there are other things like, well, they don't use it in the US and that's exactly why I got through all of this, but we have, for example, tools like pliers, a hammer, a soldering iron, a blowtorch. It works just fine, especially when...

Pavlovich:
A gas mask, a phone...

BadB:
A gas mask, yes, a generator, a phone. It works just fine.

Do they torture in the US?
Pavlovich:
And don't they torture in the US?

BadB:
No, in the US... Well, in the US they torture morally, that is, when this really long term is hanging over you, you understand that now you're going to go to 50, 60 years, that is, that's what really was in store for me.
It's very difficult to bear all this, and they deliberately drag out time, it can pass deliberately, so that you mature. That is, they have all the time in the world, they can drag it out for a month, two, three, then they call you in for interrogations. Especially during interrogations, that is, this is also an important psychological factor, they start feeding you, do you want a Snickers, do you want coffee, they buy you a huge 2-3 coffee of some kind, all from Starbox, you eat your fill.

Pavlovich:
This is a good-bad cop type, right?

BadB:
Yeah, well, just where is the coffee, just a big glass of coffee, let's say you didn't drink it somewhere, you were just locked up in solitary confinement and then they give you a glass of coffee, you drink it, it really gives you such a boost of energy and guys, okay, screw it, I'll meet you halfway.

For what month of imprisonment did you agree to cooperate?
Pavlovich:
For what month did you meet me halfway?

BadB:
In fact, right away, well, Arkasha just contacted me and he said that there is this and that against you, and Arkasha is Arkady, yes, he contacted me, he says that there is this and that against you. He says, well, you just get the screws and if you don’t do anything, you’ll go to jail for a long time, or you and I can weave our way out and you really can change the history of what’s happening with Russian carders. That is, you can show everyone some kind of correct path on how to act, how to do things in the US, they arrest you and in fact, well, well, after me, Smel’ followed my path, Drinkman followed my path a little later, although he resisted, yes, it’s sad, Gribodemon followed my path, who generally stayed there and it’s unclear where he’s working now.
That’s it. And a bunch of other people, I won’t even list them. Everyone’s doing well. Everyone’s doing well. And, well, people served time. In fact, prison is a pioneer camp. And there are cell phones in prison. And the only thing that is missing is no sex, yes. It's hard without sex.

Pavlovich:
Well, only with men.

BadB:
I'm not interested.

How long did you serve?
Pavlovich:
How long did you serve in total?

BadB:
Six and a half years. Six and a half years.

How were you detained?
Pavlovich:
And how much of that was in France, right? How were you detained anyway? Tell me about your detention.

BadB:
The detention, I'm even remembering it right now, just like it's happening now. I'm walking through the airport and I walked away, we checked in at...

Pavlovich:
In Nice or where?

BadB:
In Nice, yes, at the Nice airport, we had to check in and then go to the business lounge, that is, to business class. I leave the girl there and go to the toilet, go down to the restroom, come out of the restroom and six people come up to me. That is, without uniform, only Americans, that is, I only found out later that they were trying to detain me and grab me and immediately take me to America.
The point is that they tried to grab me right at the airport, that is, they grabbed me, and the French police pretended that they did not see it. The thing is that they tried to grab me, I started a scuffle with them, that is, I tried to run away from them, I immediately realized what was really going on, and I simply beat up one. And then I just started breaking in, they caught me and started to tie me down on the ground, that is, beat me, and there was chaos.
And the French police came running and twisted my flippers, since the French police were already involved, that is, they used force against me, they dragged me like a swallow to the cell, threw me there face down, dragged the girl in handcuffs, too, that poor escort. Then the police were already involved and they didn’t let the Americans take me out, it’s just that if I, that is, like Roma, let’s say, were told to go through this door, yes, and he stupidly, well, takes it and goes with him, oh, well, go to the plane, yes. They’re
waiting for you there. Get up, Count, they’re waiting for you from the dungeon. And, in general, Roma gets on the plane, and it’s a great flight, that’s it. I didn’t go on the plane, although the plane was waiting.

Pavlovich:
And, it turns out, you were detained and thrown there, in this French prison, right?

BadB:
I sat at the airport for two days, that is, it was a weekend, and after the weekend they took me to Marseille, in Marseille I already saw the prosecutor, the prosecutor said that the US has brought charges against you, and after that they took me to prison, that is, in prison the very next day, yes, I already went out, I went out like this big football field where they let you out with all the prisoners and I just smelled marijuana, great, things are already going well. Then I walked around in a circle and I see a man sitting like this in the corner, he’s doing something there, talking. I think things are going great and I go up to him and my friend, I just need a phone, I need it, I really need it, he says, if you call back to the number, so that the call can be returned to you, he says, please, do it.

Pavlovich:
And what nationality was he?

BadB:
Arab. Well, just an ordinary push-button phone. I called back, well, it’s clear that everything was already in a frenzy there, the girl, no matter what kind of escort, she warned everyone anyway.

Pavlovich:
And did they let her go?

BadB:
They let her go, yes, they simply sent her on the next flight. That's it. And by the way, I'll probably never forgive her for this either.

Pavlovich:
To yourself or to her?

BadB:
To her. She, the French, in their kindness of heart, yes, they chased the Americans away altogether, that is, the Americans somewhere there were constantly just shoving their mugs in the door. Well, they were no longer allowed to see me and they were not allowed to talk to me, that is, I would not have talked to them at that moment. They began to describe the things that they had confiscated. And they began to ask, the girl in the next cell, they began to ask, they say, whose bag is it? I say, Katya, I beg you, please, say that the laptop is yours.
This fool, she says, my camera. So she needed an expensive one, a camera. She would have, well, she would have simply made it for me, maybe, the Americans would not have had any of these people or anything. That is, I would have had a free, clear platform to tell the Americans, guys, here's Kuzka's mother for you.

Pavlovich:
So if she had said that the laptop was hers, would they have given it to her?

BadB:
Yes, the French would have given it to her and they simply gave her the things without any discussion. Maybe, I don’t know, maybe there would have been some other story for these laptops, maybe the Americans would have gotten into it, but the fact remains that she could have said that the laptop was mine, she was scared.

Pavlovich:
But it’s not that I know her, I won’t forgive her, that’s your fail, by and large. She could have done it out of politeness, but she might have been scared, no, no.

BadB:
It’s just a girl in an escort and I’m not talking about Matahari, as it happens, anything can happen, anything can happen in life.

Pavlovich:
You obviously just didn’t pay enough and you pay little.

BadB:
How fat and disgusting you were, he paid a lot.

Pavlovich:
It’s like my Jewish friend says that now they give it to me either for money or out of pity.

BadB:
Also fat and disgusting?

How long did you stay in France? The Israeli consul, the French prison, the ECHR.
Pavlovich:
I agree. How long were you in France in total?

BadB:
I spent almost two years in France. There are several things there. I wanted to tell you one is that literally on the second day of my stay in prison, I mean, I was given Israeli citizenship and
the Israeli consul came to me. That is, Israel in general really cares a lot about its prisoners all over the world and they monitor very closely and if necessary, if you need bread, if you need some kind of service, if something is really wrong with you, that is, if you get sick, if you have some kind of problem, then Israel immediately raises I will tell you a very funny story, yes, I wanted to buy a phone from the Arabs, they took my money, in short, and did not give me the phone.

Pavlovich:
For how much?

BadB:
I wanted to buy it for 500 euros, so they took my money and did not give me the phone.

Pavlovich:
In cash, right?

BadB:
In cash, yes. Where did you get the money from? I brought it in my sneakers.

Pavlovich:
When I was arrested?

BadB:
No, for a date. For a date, I put it in my bed, lifted the insole, put it there neatly, just folded it and put a small square under the insole. Do they search you hard? They search you, well, they search you, but apparently they weren’t prepared for this. Money circulates normally in prison, there is money. Paper money, 500-euro bills, mostly 100, 50, 500-euro bills, that’s cool.
So I tried to buy a phone, and the Arabs took my money.

Pavlovich:
But that was actually a pretrial detention center, right?

BadB:
That’s not a pretrial detention center, that’s a prison. They sit right in prison, in a French prison they all sit together, they just have several types of regimes, that is, there is a simplified one, there is a stricter one and there is a stricter one. I was in the strictest one. But you are a defendant, figuratively speaking. Now I'll tell you everything little by little. Let's go back, I guess, and I'll tell you.
First, a woman came to see me, either a consul or a vice-consul. She looks just like Golda Meyer. She says, listen, I'll tell you one thing. America wants you, like very few people do. And she says, even if you were arrested in Israel, we would give you to America too. She says, they want you that much.
She says, believe me, this country, France, they will extradite you. She says, sooner or later you can resist, or you can't. But she says, your happiness is that you are negotiating with the Americans. I initially listened to her words, yes, I ignored them, but she talked me down for half an hour. She told me the whole truth, how to sit, what to do in America. She simply gave me the whole future picture for 6 years, 2 days after I arrived at the prison.

Pavlovich:
And you hoped that you would get away with this arrest of yours in France and leave France for Russia?

BadB:
What we have not tried in France. In fact, I won the European Court of Human Rights in France. And I won twice. The first time I declared a hunger strike. They initially, when I made this call, I called my mother, and the Americans were wiretapping my mother.

Pavlovich:
Where was she? Was she in Ukraine?

BadB:
No, she was in Israel. They were wiretapping my mother and, naturally, they intercepted this call. They could not prevent my mother from doing what I told her, but they miraculously called the French, provided this call, and the French locked me up in solitary confinement. In general, that is, I sat for a year, more, a year and three months, I did not see people at all, except through the window.

Pavlovich:
But I saw your photos from there.

BadB:
Yes, I told you, that is, it was only after a year and three months that I achieved the transfer, and this was only through a hunger strike, that is, they would have kept me in solitary confinement the entire way. But the thing is that I went on a hunger strike, and the point is that I can go to court, that is, they can keep you in solitary confinement for three months, this is by order of the prison warden. Then comes the regional prison warden, he can find circumstances under which you can be kept, that is, in total, for six months.
Then a year goes by, only the Minister of Internal Affairs decides whether you can be kept, keeping a person in solitary confinement for more than a year in France is completely prohibited by the resolution of the European Court of Human Rights, that is, there is a resolution and there are cases, there is everything that people can be kept in solitary confinement for more than a year, of course, if they are not terrorists or no one. I will give the most famous example, Breivik, this is a man who killed exactly 80 people. Norwegian Sanders Breivik. He put 80 people in solitary confinement, they also said that he would not be able to sit in solitary confinement for 30 years. He, to what extent the European Court of Human Rights works, to what extent it is a humane organization, he in turn was released into a general prison, and there were Arabs there, because he shot at Arabs, naturally they wanted to kill him, that is, he went and surrendered himself again to solitary confinement, but at the same time his lawyer appealed and said, guys, well, a person still cannot sit in solitary confinement for 30 years, it is inhumane, and they built his own house on the prison grounds for the man and he still lives in this house with the Internet and, I think, even a woman comes to him. With exercise machines and everything else. That is, he can do neither.
And so it turned out that the man has his own house.

Pavlovich:
And his sentence there is some 17 or 20 years .

BadB:
No, 30 years. 30 years for 80 people.

Pavlovich:
In Belarus, they sometimes give the death penalty for one.

BadB:
In general, the European Court of Human Rights, but when you file a case with the European Court of Human Rights, you can wait for a resolution from the European Court for 3 years, 4 years, and everyone understood that this would not happen, my lawyer filed a case with the European Court of Human Rights, and we waited for a resolution, but he said it was useless, you won’t get it. But I opened a book, I had French legislation and I started to understand.
I saw a very interesting point that if a person’s life is in danger, the life or health or well-being of a person is in immediate danger, and this is proven, then the case must be considered within 48 hours without fail. And I went on a hunger strike, I was on hunger strike for 21 days, of course, there was one man there who helped me with the hunger strike very well.

Pavlovich:
He fed you.

BadB:
Yes, I fed you. I ate very little and lost a lot of weight, i.e. I weighed 79 kg. Well, now I weigh 90, yes, that's my normal weight, but that's not the point. I weighed 79 then, I was, well, like in the photos. And there's another thing, they measure your blood glucose every 3 days, i.e. so that you don't slack off, they measure your blood glucose.
And if you, let's say, eat, your glucose jumps. Therefore, even if you eat, you need to eat wisely, so that your glucose doesn't jump too much, so that it still goes down little by little very slowly. That is, you still lose weight sooner or later.
21 days, and the doctor at the hospital wrote me a certificate that more than 21 days can have irreversible consequences for the brain and for everything else, that is, a person can be with this piece of paper, I sent this to the lawyer, and for me it was such torture in general, that is, not to eat, even dry milk or a crust of bread, you gnaw on it with such pleasure. You send this letter, it goes, let's say, from Marseille to Paris, it goes for two days, and you wait for this time, just every second, there is someone walking in the corridor, you are there too, I want, in short, and this is indescribable, I don't want anyone to feel this, but in fact, yes, this is an indescribable feeling and they gave this paper, really the case, well, not within 48 hours, though they reviewed it within a week and it didn't even get to the review, that is, as soon as they gathered this chamber there for the trial, that is, the time was set, the Minister of Internal Affairs signed with his own signature that I should be transferred to the general regime and indeed they transferred me, that's when this story with the Arabs happened.

How Israel takes care of its citizens
BadB:
So now we return to Israel and how Israel takes care, yes, the Arabs beat me up really well, and then I took a stick, like a big one, there was an aluminum stick, filled it with stones, and this Arab who was there, I also beat him up with this stick, in short, just so that this wouldn't go unpunished, because if you leave things unpunished in prison, then it shouldn't be like that. I think, well, this doesn't need to be explained. In general, I gave them a good whack on the head with this stick and they beat me up a second time and probably would have killed me if I had climbed the fence vertically, that is, I climbed right under the barbed wire on the fence and sat there just sideways, like an iguana, like some kind of monkey, I don’t know, until the guards came running, in general, and then I sat there for a month on my own and they came to me, that is, well, how would I tell them, that is, naturally they came to me in prison right away what happened, I say nothing, the cops, of course, yes, but here they won’t say anything, fell, hit myself, in short, you understand, that is, nothing happened, but I decided to climb on the bars, fell, hit myself, it hurt, bad, that’s the story.
An Israeli woman came and said, what really happened? I said, listen, they beat me up because I'm a Jew. But you can look, there really is a newspaper, that is, in the newspaper, in short, it says that the Arabs beat up a poor Jew because he's a Jew, in short. That is, such atrocities are happening, in short, in prison. And the French blew it all out of proportion, such a big fuss.
And then they, that is, call me to the hospital, I say why, well, in general, I come to the hospital, and they take me not to the hospital, but to the place where all the prisoners are waiting to see the doctor. And there's just one person sitting there, he says listen, I say the most important one among the French, my name is so-and-so, he says simply, tomorrow you can go out, don't be afraid of anything, you're with us now, because we see that you're a good person, you're with us now, just don't bet nonsense, and well, then we'll pull the strings for you.

Pavlovich:
Some kind of supervisor, right?

BadB:
Yes, a supervisor, they also have one, like a respected person. And he says, we're pulling the strings for you, we're with you now, don't get cocky with them, forget this person, forget these 500 euros, everything, in short, everything is fine. And, yes, indeed, I went out, and then everything went fine, I bought it, and the French found me a new phone, it was even a Galaxy, That's it. And already with the Galaxy I was sitting wonderfully. They found me all the joys of life there. Simply all the joys of life. They came to me...

Pavlovich:
What kind?

BadB:
Everything. Just everything. Even a girlfriend came on a date, and it was possible to drag her right in the meeting room. The French. Well, the guards simply fell in love with me, and they turned a blind eye to it. That's it. That is, as soon as, well, the supervisor said that this is our man, everything really went like this

Pavlovich:
And then on the cops' side too, right?

BadB:
On the cops' side, too, there was respect right away, that is, no, it's clear that they were doing their job, but they stopped searching my apartment, that is, I was sitting at one, that is, they stopped somehow treating me disrespectfully, and immediately the attitude seriously changed simply because the French accepted you. In general, I sat like that for another 8 months, generally excellent.

Do they feed well in French prisons? A TV with a porn channel in the cell
BadB:
And in France, you have to understand that they deliver food on a special delivery and each dish is named.
That is, let's say if you are a diabetic, then they give you special food, if you are a Jew, then they give you special food.

Pavlovich:
Well, different menus, right? Diet.

BadB:
Yes, but not only, that is, each, let's say, cutlet, it goes separately, yes, potatoes, it goes separately, something else, and at the same time, well, you have to understand that this is French touch, yes, that is, even in prison you can feel the food, it's really like I would say in the canteen, above average, yes, that is, it's so good, that is, you can see a steak, you can see meat right with blood, and at the same time they ask how you want it cooked, medium there or rare there, well, all this is there, there's a kiosk, you can order from the TV, that is, the TV is generally like in a hotel, that's the kind of TV yes, that is, you choose channels, and there's also a very interesting story, there's a porn channel in prison, and there's an instruction right there, it says that there is a porn channel, it works from 10 o'clock, I think, until 6 in the morning, and here it is, it's better to watch. And in fact, I asked why they say that prisoners really do, well, it's better to watch, they become less aggressive.

Pavlovich:
Jerk off and beat up aggression

BadB:
Try to argue with that. In America, for example, everyone is really aggressive because there are no women and, in principle, no jerking off, so what. In a federal prison, dating women is prohibited, just try to grab him or he will immediately start kissing you, everything will be in full swing and the date may not last very long.

Pavlovich:
And can you smoke cigarettes in prison in France?

BadB:
Yes, you can, you can smoke weed just fine. That is, a French prison without the smell of marijuana in the corridor, it will not be a French prison.
There is just such an amber of weed everywhere and it smells like when you walk, it smells delicious everywhere. And I saw a prison director standing there, brazenly smoking a joint. And they sell papers there and they pour tobacco in, and roll a joint and he stands there smoking, the prison director says to him, what are you doing, really, why are you standing here, you're smoking a joint. He says okay and he just takes him away.
The prison director leaves, he takes it out, lights it again, and continues smoking. That is, it’s normal, he didn’t even throw it away, didn’t hide it, he just put it away, put it out and put it away. As soon as the director left, he immediately lit it.

How much does something cost in a French prison?
Pavlovich:
Let’s talk about prices, how much does a mobile phone cost?

BadB:
Mobile phone 500 euros, push-button phone, smartphone 1000 euros, but these are again prices from 2011, phone to order 2000 euros, that is, I had a Galaxy, then I had an S2 I think, and it was made to order, I got root rights for it, in general, everything was great there.

Pavlovich:
How do they get there? Do they bring garbage?

BadB:
Garbage, that is, I had a little man there, yes Gena, I don’t know, Gena hi, if you can hear me, come find me, Telegram, well, you can find me. Yeah, it’ll be there somewhere. Write in the comments.
So, there was Gena, and in general there was also a huge evil slave, just huge, and he was supposed to get something there, well, that is, he was waiting for his trial and was supposed to get it for about thirty years, there was some kind of double murder, something like that, well, in general, something serious and the Arab was really sick in the head.
And there was a young one, I don’t remember her name, such a young beautiful girl, a security guard, I don’t know why such chicks get jobs as security guards, so she was just walking along the corridor, it turns out that when the guards walk, they open the doors with a key, that is, they just take along the entire corridor and walk and open the doors. You want to go out, you want to come in. You have movement into the yard and movement from the yard. But at the same time, your doors are open and in principle everyone walks freely in the corridor. And this woman is walking and this huge Arab, he grabbed her, that is, dragged her into his hut and began to fuck her there.
This Russian guy Gena saw all this. And, as a matter of fact, he gave this Arab a good slap, stole it from this woman, for which she was grateful. I'm not lying, I have a photo on VKontakte. I really did have Mayat Shandon for New Year's, that is, I had caviar, I had Mayat Shandon, I had a nut.

Pavlovich:
Look, maybe Gena and the security guard got married.

BadB:
Maybe, but Gena was just there because he was suspected of killing his wife. It's just that his wife burned to death with her lover in the car, but as far as I know, Gena was acquitted.

Pavlovich:
These are not our courts.

BadB:
Yes, well, it just so happened that Gena was somewhere else, so he had his cell phone and on this basis he was acquitted. The first instance confirmed it, and the appeal acquitted him.
So if Gena can hear me, I would contact him.

Pavlovich:
In short, a cell phone costs 500-2000 euros. In 2011 prices. Grass?

BadB:
Grass is generally dirt cheap. If you smoke a slab the size of a thumb, like a cord, the size of a large seal.

Pavlovich:
In Rostov there are huge pots.

BadB:
Yes, yes, in Marseille there are huge pots, only they are in Rostov. And I would say somewhere between 50 and 100 euros. Here is a huge piece of hashish, which I personally smoked for about two months. You just take it with a lighter, crumble it up and smoke it for yourself.

Pavlovich:
Mostly hashish, right?

BadB:
Yes, hash. Well, everyone smokes. There is no point in grass. Nut.

Pavlovich:
Nut is cocaine, if anyone did not understand.

BadB:
Nut cost, they brought it to me specially to order for 200 euros.

Pavlovich:
And how much does it cost retail in France?

BadB:
50. Not very good quality.

Pavlovich:
And regular cigarettes?

BadB:
Regular cigarettes are 6 euros.

Pavlovich:
So buy them at a kiosk?

BadB:
Yes, at a kiosk it's 6 euros. You go down to the kiosk, and there's a topic there, I remember it as if it were yesterday, called deposition. So deposition means an urgent need. You go down, that is, there is a stall there and working there, that is, this stall snoop, you just tell him, I have a high deposit, like, I have an urgent need, yes, an urgent need, it is toilet paper, cigarettes, toothpaste, stamps, letters, phone cards, this is an urgent need, that is, you can get it at any time, and you get it through a fingerprint, otherwise you order the stall, you have a menu on the TV from the remote control, you order the stall and just while you are walking or while you are sleeping, the door just opens and they throw you bags with this stall. Well, I will say probably 15 types of cheese and probably 20 or 25 types of sausage.

Pavlovich:
Well, as for the ration, you say that everything is fine there, right?

BadB:
Yeah, well, the French, for example, don’t eat it at all.
That is, they cook for them, this is how they spend their time. They get high and cook. They make wonderful cakes with hashish, everything is really quiet and calm in France, it feels like you are in a sanatorium for especially gifted boys, if it weren’t for the Arabs it would be just wonderful, in fact the Arabs are the power there and there are more of them than the French.

The contingent of French prisons
Pavlovich:
And the contingent, you say, is the French, Arabs, who else.

BadB:
The contingent is Bulgarians, Romanians, Ukrainians.

Pavlovich:
Are there a lot of Russians?

BadB:
Few Russians, a lot of Ukrainians. Well, and again the Ukrainians are either extradition cases or cards. The Romanians are all just cards. And the cards are either prostitutes. Bulgarians and prostitutes.

Pavlovich:
That is, such a division. And I also know that the Bulgarians were always making documents, I worked with the Bulgarians constantly on documents.

BadB:
Yes, there are also a lot of documents. I was also in prison with a guy who made documents. He made good documents.

Pavlovich:
In general, in France you sit for 2 years in paradise.

BadB:
So here is the second case in the European Court of Human Rights. I filed a case without a conviction, without a sentence, yes, a sentence because I am awaiting extradition.
Without a sentence, I can sit in prison for a maximum of a year. After that, I should be released under house arrest. But here France immediately violated and they subsequently paid me, I think, three and a half or four thousand euros to the European Court. That is, the European Court cannot order at all. It simply issues, it says you are right or you are wrong and it can fine.
France and all the people who signed this Convention on Human Rights, all the countries that signed it, they simply accept it on a recommendatory basis.

Pavlovich:
Russia signed it too.

BadB:
Russia signed it, but nothing is being done here at all.

Pavlovich:
It is being done, they paid Navalny. That is, it is being done, they just now want to amend the Constitution so that these decisions are no longer implemented at all.

BadB:
For this reason, England left the European Union. This is one of the reasons. It seems to me. Okay, let's not talk about politics, everything is sad and bad with politics. Let's talk about more pressing and relevant matters.

About extradition to the US
Pavlovich:
2 years in a French prison, part of the term in solitary confinement, and after that you are trying to argue for your extradition to the States or what?

BadB:
After that, I now remember this May 5, 2012, it turns out that they have May 8 as Victory Day, that is, we have the 9th, they have the 8th and this is Victory Day, but it turns out that these were the last days of the Sarkozy cabinet and the Minister of the Interior, I think or whoever it was, Francois Fion, I
still have a document with his signature and it turns out that he does - despite all these resolutions of the Court of Human Rights and everything else, that is, one of his last days in his office, on the 6th, he signs a decree on my extradition, he signed me and another person, some terrorist, to the States, so it turns out that he leaves on the 8th, he goes on vacation until the 14th, and on the 14th he already hands over his affairs and enters the new minister's office, that is, even if, and what I wanted, I actually performed a circus there, yes, that is, I wanted, I said not only, well, I took myself and cut myself, yes, and said that you see, I said that I want cut myself open and cut myself, and they took me to the hospital there, and...

Pavlovich:
To freedom?

BadB:
Yes, to freedom. An ambulance came for me, there was just a whole crowd of escorts, mask shows, special forces. So, the Americans took me straight from the hospital anyway. That is, they took me to the airport with special forces, and already at the airport I was met by Americans.

Pavlovich:
But all this time, why did you sit there for two years, I'm trying to understand, did you want to argue about extradition to the States?

BadB:
Yes, I wanted to argue about the extradition of the state and the state did not want to go at all.
And during this time, in fact, I was very, very lucky. During this time, all the agents who brought in my case, that is, my business, they went to Colombia, did some kind of their own thing there, caught some drug lord, I don’t know what exactly, and they washed this business down, and in total 12 people, including Springsteen, my prosecutor, they sat and washed this whole business down.
In fact, there were prostitutes present and they, in short, underpaid some prostitute. The prostitute was protected by the Colombian police and she naturally turned to her pimp. The pimps arrived immediately, and the Americans simply turned on the drunk bull, you know, you know who we are, yes, look, yes, you are all finished, but the Colombian cops were just waiting for this. All the Americans were tied up, an international scandal ensued, 12 agents and one prosecutor resigned.
A great shame for the United States. So you can look this up on the Internet too.

Pavlovich:
And they extradite you from the hospital, it turns out?

BadB:
Yes, they extradite you in regular business class. They fenced off business class. Delta plane. Agents. They are trying to talk to me. I spit. In fact, the marshal robbed me.
The French gave me cash euros in an envelope.

Pavlovich:
Yours?

The salaries of prisoners behind bars in France
BadB:
Yes. That is, which were on my account. And in France there is also a tricky system, if they send you actually this is correct if they send you money in prison if they come to you then 20 percent of this money is automatically blocked on the account on account of your release by the way, the salary again in a French prison can be up to 1000 euros on average somewhere from 700 to a thousand euros if you work they worked there not a day but people worked here the same Gena and Gena earned, for example, 700 euros in prison.

Pavlovich:
And what kind of work is there?

BadB:
For example, the type of work is assembling electrical panels, Schneider, very clean work. The work is dustier and less paid - it was necessary to smash all sorts of electronic gadgets with a sledgehammer and get non-ferrous metal out of them.

Pavlovich:
Approximately what we did in Belarus. There were also cables, telephone cables of all kinds, that had been lying in the ground for 50 years, they brought engines there, I was shocked, there were those prisoners, yes, they are free, well, if they worked like that, if they toiled like in prison, they would earn, well, there, 500-1000 dollars in Belarus, well, normal money, in short, but there they just for literally somewhere around 5 dollars a month, they take apart an engine, well, in an hour, in an hour with one wrench even without heads, the engine is completely, you know, the crankshaft and ferrous metal separately, there is non-ferrous metal separately, I was completely shocked.

BadB:
In France, there are actually many, let's say there was a worker there, we also talked to him, I say, why did you even come here, he says, well, he says, I'll throw a stone at the police car, I say, what else, he says, well, I slapped the policeman, I say, what did he do to you, he says, nothing, what's the problem, he says, well, he just says, it was cold and he says, I wanted to eat, but I didn't want to rent an apartment or work.
Я лучше в тюрьме перезимую, скоплю все денег, а по весне уже буду дальше грабить, воровать.

Павлович:
Ну это как у нас бомжи закрываются в наших широтах холодных этих на зиму. Тут что-нибудь украдут специально там.

«Тюремные негры» (jail nigga) в США
BadB:
Вот арабы точно так там делают, а в Америке прям негры есть такие, у них есть такое слово jail nigger, тюремный ниггер.

Павлович:
Коренной обитателем.

BadB:
Да, он просто не хочет, вообще не хочет выходить, он привык у него прям банда, он качается, ходит, причем есть такие машины для убийства, не поверишь. Единственное, почему запретили секс в тюрьме, потому что до негра вообще ничего туда не надо, если к нему приходит баба, она ему дает, если ему дают жрать, ну просто это low life of the nigger, low life.

Павлович:
Ты считаешь негров такими низменными животными?

BadB:
I don’t think so, I’m not a racist, I don’t think blacks, I’m not talking about blacks specifically, but it’s a style, I’ve seen white people who behave like blacks, it’s a style, this book style that’s present in America, it really is, well, it’s a lifestyle, it doesn’t matter what color your skin is, that is, if you grew up in this ghetto, in a hood, then you adhere to this style.
You have nothing else. Because otherwise you’ll just be a black sheep and God forbid someone gets ahead, and those blacks who do get ahead, look, become like Barack Obama, Will Smith and Samuel L. Jackson. Well, that is, I don’t discriminate based on skin color, I discriminate based on culture, because we can also find such morons, God forbid.
I think you’ve seen them there too.

Pavlovich:
Yes, enough. I take 10 people and ask, what is the meaning of your life? Have you ever thought about it? Half of them almost start fighting, then you ask some bullshit. Well, that is, out of 10 people, God willing, if one thought at all about what he lives for. That is, well, in general, he made some plans, you know, something like that.
Well, that's out of 10, maybe even out of 20, one.

BadB:
Here's your indicator.

What happened when you were extradited to America?
Pavlovich:
In short, you were extradited to America?

BadB:
Extradited to America. The Americans began, as I said at the beginning of the interview, the Americans began to torture me, to torture me with silence, to torture me with the fact that... Then they began to call me little by little, began to pull me in. And the thing is that along with my arrest, that is, why I understood why they lost interest in me.
Firstly, because as I said, my entire team was closed, secondly, they had another team that supervised Smeloy and Smeloy immediately went to cooperate with them, but they preferred me to Smeloy because they said that I was very cunning and cunning with all these heaps of citizenship with all the scams, but I never saw any of these coffee makers, nothing that was done, that is, they may have brought me coffee there a couple of times, there were 20-30 interviews, that is, interrogations that lasted 2-3 hours, well, that's all, that is, nothing special happened. Then I gave them my crypto, they asked questions about crypto, they just walked through it, they said who is this, what is he doing, who is this, what is he doing, who is this, what is he doing. Then they started asking questions, they had already started telling me something, and they wanted me to, for example, continue the story, about some person.
They said that this one, this one, he does this and that, but in reality I didn’t know that the psycho, that is, the psycho, opened his own shop and at that time I had two shops with him - mine and Psycho’s.

Pavlovich:
I bought dumps from him constantly

BadB:
Yes, that is, there were two stores, yes, but in fact they knew that I was me and but I had the best technical store and in general it really was better, but they had a slightly larger assortment and they had 4 of them, I was alone and I didn’t trust anyone, that is, I didn’t have support, but my attitude towards people is well known, that is, firstly - God will provide for the poor and well, I had a short conversation immediately ban and goodbye, such an attitude with clients was well, not everyone liked it and therefore, as if their store developed, but they very well noticed for themselves that when their store, or rather, when they call me, let’s say, one of them, they drank with me in shifts, in short, that is, they really drank with me in shifts, one of them drinks with me, everyone else works in the store, that is, I drink, I am alone, that is, I have orders, exchanges, everything is standing, in estern he doesn’t work out, nothing happens, people take everything and leave, everyone is unhappy.
And they drink with me in shifts. Roma and his team. I will not say names.

Pavlovich:
Well, I know, he had support 1, support 2.

BadB:
Yes, yes, well, these are the supports. In general, they drank with me in shifts. So, in fact, I didn’t know.
They knew that I needed to drink and they got me drunk on purpose. And I thought what cool guys, yes, they just drink, are happy to see me, invite me to Vladivostok, everything is great, yes. But no, in fact, they were self-serving bastards. And in fact, I had a war with him, because I say, you stole my idea, everything else, but God be with him, yes, he stole the idea.
When he really crossed my path, it was when there was the largest forum Carder.su and there was advertising on it, they paid the admin of this forum, and paid him so well that the admin then immediately went into retirement. They gave him a hundred there, I think, something like that, but he had to remove all the vendors, except for these ones by dumps, that is, leave them. Well, I was just, that is, I got really furious, well, how so? This is already in general, yes, that is, unfair business.

Pavlovich:
Unfair competitive conditions.

BadB:
Unfair competition, yes. And then it all started, that is, well, I also had botnets there and everything else and in general I started to spread them with these botnets. The thing is that I was quite effective in spreading them even, that is, I drove them all over the world. There was no CloudFlare then, that is, there were some very rudimentary stages and there were really smart people who knew how to fight it.
That is, I had a very smart admin who was doing this and there was another person where it was all hosted, that is, this bundle worked perfectly, plus some of my methods and developments were on fighting DDoS and in fact, the server itself was physically located in Ukraine, and its IP showed, in my opinion, something in South America and in general for a very long time, and these IPs were constantly changing, this was before TOR and before everything else

Pavlovich:
Well, I also bought a similar thing, the IP is constantly changing, and you can’t catch a real IP.

BadB:
In fact, it’s expensive, the IP range there costs 5 to 6 thousand dollars.

Pavlovich:
But I paid pennies in general, such hosting cost me about 300 dollars, I think.

BadB:
You can just buy a VPN and forward it, but I had one that had an IP range and it changed every day, so the theme worked, that is, the IP changed every day, that is, this happened, let's say, at some time, and here is the range, and it turned out that the Americans could not file a complaint and block the entire range, well then it would take some fairly long time to do this.

Pavlovich:
Is it a feature, let's say, that it is from different countries?

BadB:
No, the IP range is usually not from different countries, it happens that it belongs to one operator, but in order to block it, you need to prove that it belongs to one person, yes, an investigation was needed and everything else.
In general, ranges lasted 4-5 months, sometimes more. Well, well, in general, it is not the point, yes. This bundle, it worked perfectly, and I chased Roma like a garbage cat all over the world, but I did not know that it was Roma, I did not think that it was him, I did not think that he was capable of such a dirty trick.

Pavlovich:
But it turned out that it was him?

BadB:
It turned out, so here's why I'm saying all this.
I already suspected that it was him in the end, but only the Americans told me, they say, Track2 is Seleznev. We'll open your eyes, Track2 is Seleznev, what do you want to say about this? I say, of course, I want to say now.

Pavlovich:
Well, you see, even though you used this DOS-resistant hosting, how could I have killed your domain, this BadBBees, very easily.

BadB:
No, BadBees was never on DOS-resistant, it's never been anywhere.

Pavlovich:
I killed your domain with spam in about 2 days. Even faster, I killed it with spam in a day. Dams?

BadB:
No-no, BadBees was always on regular hosting, but I never paid attention to it, and you, I think, did it in 2007 or 2006?

Pavlovich:
In 2007 or 2008.

BadB:
Yes, and I lost this domain, well, no, and with the shop there is a whole separate story, I kept a close eye on all of this, and the admin kept an eye on it, and all of this was controlled, and the uptime, you remember, was wonderful, although I was being overpowered, and hacked, and well, all sorts of things happened.
But in fact, Roma later found out very interestingly, he simply found out, well, asked around on the forums where I was hosted, and he came to the same person.

Pavlovich:
To Abdul?

BadB:
It doesn't matter. He came to the same person where I was hosted, and to the same data center, and we were in this data center, and as if when I started DDoSing, my site also went down, you know, that is, with him, well, constantly. A guy would just call me and say, well, you're cutting off the branch you're sitting on, he'd say, well, accept it, they're your competitors, I'd say, let's pay, I'd say, well, I can't go either, yeah, let's say I paid, now I even knew, yeah, where, well, I can't go against this guy again and pay the cops to take out this server, well, because I'd be playing against myself again and betraying my own. And it was always a double-edged sword.
That is, if I'd just always searched, and I actually found one time where they were hosted, I'd pay to have their server taken out. The server was taken out.

Pavlovich:
Physically?

BadB:
Physically, the server was taken out. It was encrypted, but the gist of it is that I got a dump of their disk.

What was the Americans' main complaint about you?
Pavlovich:
What was the Americans' main complaint about you? Selling dumps?

BadB:
Selling dumps.

Pavlovich:
Dumps are, if anyone doesn't know, information on the magnetic strip of a credit card, which is contained in any bank card.

BadB:
I think those who don't know here don't look here.