online skimming

[TheRayMan]

is this not around? i literally figured it out in 20 minutes how to do this. why is this not a big thing? also i made a pos skimmer not requiring removal of the pos in about 4 days. is this something to keep quiet and will i get banned for posting this? or do people just not really care about these things? which im assuming is probably half of it.

all i see is offline POS systems, basic shitty atm skimmers and bottom of the barrel shit. why is there nothing "Real" made public? im on a few forums and dont see anything. please explain this. ive been in the scene for quite a while but have yet to find anything related to this stuff.

 

[Mailer-Daemon]

what exactly are you talking about?

 

[dum.ps]

POS skimmer that process that dump?

 

[nsn]

hack of processing centers? or of pos systems? what do you mean clarify pls

 

[PlraX]

i think e found a way to make a skimmer...to pos..phisical skimerr whitout open the POS or etc....

 

[tarchys]

he means hacking computers attached to POS machine.

 

[TheRayMan]

tarchys: no, i dont.

and yes, a pos skimmer that processes the transactions still. i will gladly discuss it in private but i wont get into detail here. i have 2 ways that worked on the first go, i was just messing around inside the POS and successfully modded it to collect d+p as well as process all transactions like normal. and also an overlay skimmer i talked about making a week or so ago, it looks amazing and attaches in seconds. now the point of this is, why is this not a big thing? i have quite abit of experience but there are others much better out there so why isnt this public knowledge? it seems to be much more profitable to leave a pos in store with a mod/skimmer that still processes transactions because then it can remain there for as long as you need.

 

[KUB]

this is what ppl do. nothing new.

 

[TheRayMan]

yes i hope so, but it is not public? ive heard many people say, "if online pos's were around, id be a billionair" is this just something people keep quiet about?

 

[Bablo]

so ur saying that you have 2 ways in which u have essentially made an "online" pos?
it would be very good bro, because 1. u wont have to put any money out of ur pocket for investment, like I mean u wont have to say transaction approved and pay or u wont have to say transaction declined and then get the real pos

essentially the customer will have no clue at all that the item was skimmed.
i still think that offline pos is still better, because there is then absolutely no trace back possible.

 

[Wolf_Pack]

Bro this is nothing new. Online POS skimming happens daily especially in North America. They open the POS, attach flash memory, bluetooth and pin pad membrane.
The only complication involved is bypassing the POS tamper detection and fitting everything in there without shorting the POS.

The big negative you are not mentioning is the bank being able to track the batch you have collected and kill the batch. With offline you can take weeks to cash out. With Online you have hours. Big difference.

 

[ProfessionalsOnly]

But with offline you can get caught by store since they not getting money.

 

[nsn]

You also can get caught with online, and much easier... they track the common point of an amount of fraudulent transactions...and that will be the store/terminal/register that was tampered with, so either way you re fucked. You have better chances at getting away with offline, since you re relying on customer saying "hey its fishy that I didnt get charged for that fridge magnet I bought 3 weeks ago, maybe I should report it" instead of an advanced artificial intelligence system cross-referencing millions of transactions....

 

[Bablo]

nsn, haha good comparison
but if ur using offline skimmer and u simply switch to approved option and then pay cash for them then they will not even be suspicious when u are doing the transacton, unless like u say they get suspicious about NOT losing money

 

[PlraX]

and you need physical acces to..the target POS means that will be in combination whit storeonwer...its good idea. but . betewen offline and online i think the offline is most hard to track a common point where the data was collected to make the fraud...

 

[TheRayMan]

ah ok now i see how offline is better now, im an atm guy, i am not saying this is new, i was more or less asking why nobody sells anything relating to online skimming. now i see... it just has to be a pain in the ass paying for everybodies stuff? it seems unreasonable. the dumps are sold for $15 but there is no way each transaction that the owner paid was than $15. i just dont see the profit in it if you pay out of pocket.

 

[Bablo]

Think about it, you dont have to work at Lambhorgini dealership))
if you working at restaurant that dont have such high price meals, like family restuarant then if you working at till, they will not be such huge payments.

or if u working at cheap clothes shop, or just shop that in general dont sell such expensive stuff but people buying with cards (usually adults)

so maybe books shop? also dont work in shops that many people in line in till cuz they will see u put money from hands...

 

[nsn]

@TheRayMan - most people who use offline pos use it together with pin to cash out the debits. The dumps you see that are sold here are very likely to not be from offline skimmer, but from hacking poss's, processing centers, or just as you were saying, tampering physically with a pos. But I would say are mostly hacked..

 

[Prince of Thieves]

With offline POS, the only part I dont like is that you have to make them swipe the card after pretending the POS terminal can't read the chip. In my country the largest bank wont let their staff pay for taxi's with cards because this is getting so common place. The failure to read the chip seems like it would give the game away if someone is well informed.

 

[nsn]

Why do people still skim chip cards nowadays? Am I sleeping in a basement somewhere or isnt it the worst pain in the *ss to cash them after?