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Lecturer: Hoseramires
[19:10:11] <Hoseramires> So once again I greet everyone,
[19:10:16] <Hoseramires> guys, today we will look at searching for shops and merch, during the lecture please do not flood - write down questions in a text file - copy-paste after the lecture
[19:10:38] <Hoseramires> let's get started
[19:10:41] <Hoseramires> Our lecture will be about how you can find a suitable shop to work with and how to identify the merch that processes payments on this site, find out if it is suitable for your work, your material and skills.
[19:11:11] <Hoseramires> I am sure that each of you makes purchases on the Internet, on any platforms, and online stores, and you know how to find the product you need in the store where you can order it.
[19:11:36] <Hoseramires> Searching for shops by typing is no different from searching for a shop with the product you need, you just search for certain criteria that you need by typing.
[19:11:58] <Hoseramires> First, I’ll tell you what merch is, since many people don’t know it.
[19:12:08] <Hoseramires> Merchant account - an account for accepting payments via bank cards, bank or other means through online payment on the site.
[19:12:29] <Hoseramires> individuals or legal entities register in a merchant account to open an account, which is subsequently used to accept payments on the Internet.
[19:12:49] <Hoseramires> Do not confuse with a payment aggregator
[19:12:54] <Hoseramires> Now let's move on from terms to searching for shops.
[19:13:01] <Hoseramires> Remember that just search queries - words that you enter in any search engine in the query line, for example: buy apple iPhone 13, or buy macbook pro, or buy Gucci jeans.
[19:13:28] <Hoseramires> you will not be able to find a suitable site right away, since you will have to sift through dozens or hundreds of pages. Since on the first pages of search engines there will always be giant shops, like BestBuy, Amazon, Seers, etc. You can work with them, but they require a completely different approach and experience. You won’t be able to take the first SS you come across and drive in 10k dollars, don’t try.
[19:14:21] <Hoseramires> What will we do?
[19:14:24] <Hoseramires> I will tell you that there are actually many options.
[19:14:32] <Hoseramires> Conventionally, they can be divided into two types:
[19:14:39] <Hoseramires> Type No. 1 is SEO optimized queries:
[19:14:45] <Hoseramires> 1. You can search for shops using SEO optimization resources from one of the sites on the desired topic. SEO optimization is a set of measures for internal and external optimization of a website to promote it in search engines. Accordingly, the higher the site’s position in the search engine, the greater the traffic, and accordingly, higher-frequency queries are used to promote it.
[19:15:39] <Hoseramires> For example: at the request of Gucci jeans, Google produces the following picture. https://ibb.co/z4TS9Hv
[19:15:53] <Hoseramires> let's take the last site on the first page of the site search as an example:
[19:17:27] <Hoseramires> Go to the site, find any necessary category (in this case, skinny jeans) and right-click on a free field in the browser field.
[19:17:37] <Hoseramires> We need the line View Page Source https://ibb.co/yyDrhTJ - click on it, we get this:
[19:17:53] <Hoseramires> http://prnt.sc/vscdaf - we see that the meta name line contains the queries by which this page is promoted
[19:18:13] <Hoseramires> All we have to do is compile the queries with our own and go searching more specifically, for example: if you make the following query “clothes shop+inurl:Straight Slim Fit Jeans” then Google will return http://prnt. sc/vscg6o
[19:19:00] <Hoseramires> 2. Shops can also be searched through “query operators”, which you can read about in more detail here https://lifehacker.ru/vse-sekrety-google/, or even better, study them on SEO forums, you can find a lot of interesting things there.
[19:19:32] <Hoseramires> As an example, I will give the following query operator: clothes shop+ inurl:e-gift - will give us a list of shops that have the phrase e-gift in the link, or “clothes totes egift” - Double quotes allow find only the expression that they contain.
[19:20:07] <Hoseramires> 3. Until recently there was a working tool Alexa.com, it closed on May 1, 22, but there are analogues on the Internet:
[19:20:24] <Hoseramires> analogues: similarweb.com, similarsites.com, semrush.com - you can also specify Gucci and go down 10-15 levels of similarity. There are also options to look for technically similar shops to the shop that allows you to type well (I myself use them in a completely different industry).
[19:21:04] <Hoseramires> This is Wikipedia of all sites on the Internet
[19:21:10] <Hoseramires> these sites conduct statistics, audit and create reports on sites.
[19:21:19] <Hoseramires> In the paid version, here you can order an audit of your site and it will tell you what can be improved.
[19:21:33] <Hoseramires> But we are interested in something else - this is the top chart of sites. Yes, just like on the radio there is a top chart of songs, here, for example, on similarweb.com, you will see a top list of sites.
[19:21:56] <Hoseramires> The question arises, why?
[19:22:00] <Hoseramires> I will answer that this way you can find a shop for yourself and our shops should not be at the top, but somewhere in the middle or a little lower. Since there is usually less fraud on them, but manual checking of orders is often encountered, there are fewer orders, and therefore there were fewer attempts to deceive, etc.
[19:22:40] <Hoseramires> https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/
[19:22:46] <Hoseramires> using this link you can see the top list of sites
[19:22:53] <Hoseramires> https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/united-states/category/e-commerce-and-shopping/ this is a link to online shops - what we need - be sure to take a look
[19:23:16] <Hoseramires> Type No. 2 – auctions, markets, thematic forums, forums with reviews of products and shops, etc.
[19:23:29] <Hoseramires> 1. You can also search for shops through Ebay, but not everyone has their own website, you need to search. It’s enough just to go to the product we’re interested in and look at the information about the seller, if it’s a shop, we’ll see that the page is usually colorfully designed, and the seller’s name is something like: freeshippngshoes, bestshoes, goodwatches, etc. Study carefully
[19:24:18] <Hoseramires> Next, we just have to type this data into Google and go to the store’s website, if one exists. However, it’s not always possible to immediately bypass the shop’s antifraud system; sometimes it’s easier to drive it into eBay
[19:24:44] <Hoseramires> 2. Shops can also be searched through Amazon. We go to amazon.com, enter a query in the search bar, for example SSD. We are interested in the number of sellers of this product https://prnt.sc/MtWiLIL16FgW, go to the card itself and look at the sellers of this product, a page opens with all sellers of this product https://prnt.sc/IaqGNSdE9CdG
[19:25:33] <Hoseramires> in this menu are sellers of goods in this category. All we have to do is copy their names and paste them into Google, and then continue by analogy with the previous one.
[19:25:53] <Hoseramires> 3. You can also search for shops on thematic forums, for example: a forum for young mothers, or a fishing forum. With the right approach and SE, you will be given a bunch of shops that you will spend a very long time looking for on the Internet.
[19:26:23] <Hoseramires> Thanks to the young mother Michelle - she suggested an excellent shop with expensive baby strollers and a no-show anti-fraud system. The shop unfortunately closed, but the strollers arrived in RU)
[19:26:47] <Hoseramires> Shops can be found on the website http://www.resellerratings.com
[19:26:57] <Hoseramires> At the top is the store category drop-down menu. There we select browse all stores by category and on the left there will be a menu with categories. For example, choose apparel and jewelry. We see “sort by” and click
[19:27:24] <Hoseramires> This is how we will display the sites with the lowest ratings on the first page. But there are 468 pages of these sites in the clothing and bizhi section. About 70% of them have a zero rating and about three quarters of those 70% of shops are small, giving well.
[19:27:57] <Hoseramires> In fact, there are many ways to find the stores we need, with the right product, but I most often use these methods of work. I recommend that you experiment with query operators, as this is the fastest and most convenient option for searching for shops.
[19:28:36] <Hoseramires> In my experience, sometimes large stores send much better than small ones, but this is more of an exception and direct hands than just luck). You need to try to break into all the shops you like.
[19:29:02] <Hoseramires> Sometimes you come across a scam shop, for example, I came across one where Iphone 15 pro cost 399 bucks, so it’s better not to swear at such shops, they were created by our colleagues to collect swear words.
[19:29:29] <Hoseramires> Carefully study the shop before entering
[19:29:35] <Hoseramires> read its rules, delivery conditions, communicate with support, etc.
[19:29:45] <Hoseramires> 4.Markets
[19:29:47] <Hoseramires> Searching for shops in markets is simple, you go to Google or any other search engine, but still Google is a giant and many people go there.
[19:30:06] <Hoseramires> First, log in only from the IP of the country where you will look for the product. Since Google filters out shops by country.
[19:30:22] <Hoseramires> For example: I went to the Google website under ip USA and entered the request dji mini 3 pro, you can already enter the fourth one.
[19:30:37] <Hoseramires> https://prnt.sc/P8zDiAZQhSew
[19:30:42] <Hoseramires> this is a pretty good entry-level quadcopter
[19:30:50] <Hoseramires> We will see the following https://prnt.sc/QsRIWy8oU3SM
[19:30:58] <Hoseramires> You immediately see the block from sponsors, but this is not our goal, there are always top shops here, but above we see the Shopping tab, which is what we need. The essence of the search here is through filters, we set the necessary requirements and weed out the top shops, we find a suitable option.
[19:31:36] <Hoseramires> I made dji mini 3 pro for myself immediately after it went on sale. Fire apparatus. So go ahead, analyze and try, the main thing is to write down everything, every move.
[19:32:00] <Hoseramires> This method of work has been discussed in the lecture for quite some time, but this algorithm has not lost its relevance, nothing supernatural is required
[19:32:22] <Hoseramires> This is especially important at the initial stage, so you will understand what you did wrong or vice versa.
[19:32:36] <Hoseramires> Excel table with all sources - website - map - link to product - when entered - result, etc.... Must Have
[19:32:52] <Hoseramires> 5. The method of working directly from the location of your card or your drop, we connect via VPN or SOCK5 under our data and look at shops that are in close proximity to us. look at what's on Google maps
[19:33:24] <Hoseramires> we set the request specifically in Google maps. We are looking for the product that we are interested in, look at the shops on Google that have online shops.
[19:33:42] <Hoseramires> try a product that has minimal fraud but which can be sold sparingly, in the first stages it is better to put pressure on quantity, after gaining experience, you can switch to quality
[19:34:08] <Hoseramires> After we have found the shop we need, we can analyze it on the site http://webstatsdomain.org/, this is a site that displays statistics on addresses, but it is also suitable for statistics on shopping
[19:34:36] <Hoseramires> enter the address of the store on the website and see what it is. if it has a low cost, then either it is a new store or it is a small store, both of which are suitable for us.
[19:35:02] <Hoseramires> is discussed in more detail in the video, although the video is not new, and Alex’s rating has left the market, but everything else is relevant, take a look, the video is interesting and working
[19:35:24] <Hoseramires> https://fex.net/ru/s/6bfzvvf
[19:35:29] <Hoseramires> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++
[19:35:39] <Hoseramires> So we come to the second part of our lecture - what is merch?
[19:35:48] <Hoseramires> And so, I repeat.
[19:35:52] <Hoseramires> Merchant account - an account for accepting payments via bank cards, bank or other means through online payment on the site.
[19:36:13] <Hoseramires> individuals or legal entities register in a merchant account to open an account, which is subsequently used to accept payments on the Internet.
[19:36:33] <Hoseramires> To make it more clear to you, we will talk about the shop as if we were creating it for ourselves.
[19:36:48] <Hoseramires> That is. Having created a site, we register our account in the payment system and receive a merchant account, the system in which we registered gives us data for our site, as a rule, for most of the main site systems (engines on which the site is created) there are modules (of their own image, some site engines, like Lego. You use certain modules to create the necessary functionality on the site) for such payment systems, where you simply enter the data received from the merchant account. And now you already have a full-fledged payment gateway on your website.
[19:38:06] <Hoseramires> Payment gateway is a hardware and software complex that allows you to automate the process of accepting payments online. A payment gateway is developed by the payment system, which both defines its specification and is responsible for its support.
[19:38:40] <Hoseramires> Usually the payment gateway is divided into several parts:
[19:38:48] <Hoseramires> • payment form - a page on the seller’s website that contains an HTML form that contains a number of necessary parameters (seller ID, amount and payment comment). By activating the form, the buyer is redirected to the payment gateway itself;
[19:39:26] <Hoseramires> • payment page - a page or set of pages on which the buyer again sees the purchase data, he is given the opportunity to refuse payment, log in, or select certain options. The actions that must be performed to successfully complete the purchase depend entirely on the payment system;
[19:40:11] <Hoseramires> • payment status pages (“Success URL” and “Fail URL”) - pages on the seller’s website to which the buyer is redirected in the event of successful or unsuccessful completion of the payment process;
[19:40:38] <Hoseramires> • payment result page (“Result URL”) - a page on the merchant’s website called by the payment gateway bot, regardless of the buyer’s actions (even if the buyer’s connection is interrupted after payment and he will not be able to go to payment status page, the payment result page will be called). The payment result page accepts data about the past payment transaction and it is at this stage that the necessary changes related to this payment should be made.
[19:41:46] <Hoseramires> In addition to the payment systems themselves, where you can create a merchant account, there are also intermediaries - this is a payment aggregator, which is why at the very beginning I said do not confuse these concepts.
[19:43:55] <Hoseramires> Aggregator (e-commerce) - a company operating in the e-commerce market, engaged in establishing multiple agreements with individual payment systems and service providers, as well as with telecom operators to facilitate the process of organizing payment for goods by consumers - through the Internet.
[19:44:16] <Hoseramires> Sometimes it is easier for some to make an account here than in many payment systems, but believe me, this is not so. Here they can block everything at once, when when you register in payment systems, only the one where you made a mistake will be blocked, while others will work. And sometimes the requirements for registrars are stricter here, for example Braintree.
[19:44:55] <Hoseramires> https://www.braintreepayments.com/
[19:45:00] <Hoseramires> To determine merch, I most often use the site http://builtwith.com/ - if you have the opportunity, you can buy a subscription there for your hard-earned money, it costs 500 bucks a month, you won’t be able to skimp
[19:45:28] <Hoseramires> The simplest ways:
[19:57:18] <Hoseramires> This is the end of this lecture, as for a more detailed analysis of merch and a few tricks on merch, everything will be in one of the next lectures - MERCHANTS.
ask questions I will answer
[19:58:26] <imissyou> 1.what is VBV?
2.what does it mean to take a roller?
[19:58:49] <ht_ice> "Taking into account the peculiarities of setting up the system in shops, it often happens that shops do not see the full address of the holder, but only see ZIP. Therefore, sometimes it is advisable to take a card under the zip of the middleman/drop, and drive it into their address is bil=ship. Such shops can only be found through tests." This only applies to EU, right?
What is a safekey?
[19:59:35] <Hoseramires> imissyou:
VBV (Verified by Visa) is an authentication service used for secure online payments using Visa cards. When you pay online with a Visa card that participates in the Verified by Visa program, you may be asked to enter a password or code to verify your identity. This helps protect you from fraud and provides an extra layer of security when making online transactions.
taking a roll means taking a rolled card where you can see the balance and transfers
[20:00:27] <Hoseramires> ht_ice: no, this applies to the USA, the avs system is the system of the USA, Canada, several other countries, but not Europe, everything is different in Europe
[20:00:38] <Akpatyr> Is it always necessary to get information from the CC, such as the mother’s maiden name, NSS?
[20:00:49] <Hoseramires> ht_ice: safekey is WWW
[20:01:37] <Hoseramires> Akpatyr: mother’s maiden name is bad, it can’t always be found on the Internet, I don’t understand what kind of abbreviation this is
[20:01:53] <KimJo> 1. It was said that it is easier to get it on ebay than on some small shops. Is this due to AF or due to manual checking? (otherwise at the beginning they said on the contrary that it is better not to try on ebay, Amazon, etc. to beat until you have no experience)
2. Is there any topic on the forum where fellow scammers post shops that it’s better not to enter into, because... did they make them?)
3. Besides searching by the source code of the template page, are there any automated ways (except builtwith) to understand which merch the shop was made on? otherwise, for starters, 500 bucks a month, a bit fat)
4. prnt - point -sc/vscg6o - writes that the screenshot has been deleted
[20:01:58] <Akpatyr> Social security number?
[20:02:37] <Hoseramires> Akpatyr: they don’t say that)) there is an ssn number, you can almost always get it
[20:04:59] <Hoseramires> KimJo:
1 if you don’t go on quests, you can get through anything, these are just shops for ordinary buyers, and eBay is no exception, I started with Amazon, and was in normal profit, it’s a question of approach
2 this cannot happen, no one will share their work, and.....read the first point!
3 no, not all shops show this and want people to know about it, that’s why such a tool does not exist
[20:05:13] <ya8no> what is carding?)
[20:05:34] <Hoseramires> ya8no: skimp, drive from someone else’s card,
[20:05:40] <ya8no> now I read the word understood ahahahaa
[20:06:06] <nlf> what other points can you suggest for analyzing shops in an Excel spreadsheet? except for the card number, time, the shop itself and the result?
[20:07:55] <Hoseramires> nlf: this is a popular question, but I have not seen such a table, it all depends on you, someone will take into account some parameters, and someone else, but anyone can be in profit. shop, ip, check ip, mail, mail status, card, card status - these are the most basic
[20:08:02] <Hoseramires> LENNY BELARDO: come on
[20:08:04] <LENNY BELARDO> 1) Why can’t you create your own website as a fake person and connect a payment aggregator to charge cards and merge? 2) As I understand it, merch is short for merchant? But a merchant is an online store with goods/services that accept cards, and in the examples there were payment aggregators. Trying to figure out what I messed up
[20:10:20] <Hoseramires> LENNY BELARDO:
1 I don’t know why it’s not possible, knowledgeable people do it, and you can just buy such a kit, a drawing shop, with connected merch - buy it, drive it in, if you know how it works, they won’t close your shop so quickly.
2 yes, merchant
3 A merchant account in an online store (shop) is a special business account that allows the store to accept payments from its customers via credit or debit cards. This account is associated with the payment processor or payment gateway that processes the store's transactions. With a merchant account, a store can accept payments online and the funds are credited to its bank account once the transactions are processed.
[20:10:43] <Serpantin666> I understand that the topic of e-gift is still ahead, but I want to ask: how many sites exist for their sales, with weak antifraud to this day? Does it make sense to try this direction now?
[20:13:34] <Hoseramires> Serpantin666: let me write the main idea in caps
THIS IS NOT A QUEST WITH STRONG AND WEAK ANTI-FRAUD, ANY SHOP HAS AN AF SYSTEM, BUT IT IS NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF THE SHOP TO DO SO THAT THEY DON’T BUY ANYTHING FROM THEM, THE TASK OF THE ANTI-FRAUD IS TO WEED OUT THOSE WHO CAN BE A CARDER, AND TO SKIP THOSE WHO DO NOT SEEM TO BE SO, AND YOUR ASS CHA SIMPLY ADJUST TO THE OWNER!!! PROFIT! EVERYONE BEATS BOTH AMAZON AND BESTBYE AND THEY ARE CONSIDERED HARD STORES, BUT STILL DEPENDS ON YOU!!!
[20:14:52] <Mr_Lotus> 1. how is it recommended to warm up the shop before driving in?
2. [10:10:20] <Hoseramires> LENNY BELARDO:
1 I don’t know why it’s not possible, knowledgeable people do it, and you can just buy such a kit, a drawing shop, with connected merch - buy it, drive it in, if you know how it works, they won’t close your shop so quickly.
to the question of “if you know how it works”, will this be discussed in more detail in the lectures? If not, where can I look for information?
[20:18:29] <Hoseramires> Mr_Lotus: 1 walk through the pages, conduct the activities of a person who really wants to buy something, compare, add to cart
2 here the whole question is to understand which cards to use, which ones have the longest charge, since you need time to get money into your account and withdraw it through drops or in person, such information cannot be, these are personal achievements, if anyone then he will say that you need to use this and everything will be in chocolate - you must understand what the topic in the public means and it is either dying or has already died, only personal achievements will feed you
[20:18:35] <ht_ice> Question about mobile typing
If the site has conditional information on merch, we can take it from the shop structure
That is, are there any ways to find out what merch is attached to the application?
[20:19:20] <Hoseramires> ht_ice: this is from the realm of science fiction, but you can go to the web version and check there, the merch will be the same
[20:19:40] <KimJo> Before that I asked about breaking through the site for what kind of merch/aggregator. If you develop a product that allows you to check this, what is the demand for it? Will it be useful or without a subscription for 500 bucks? Is it often easier to hit at random and check it yourself as you drive in?
[20:22:20] <Hoseramires> KimJo: I understand your question, but I’ll tell you that knowledge of merch is not a panacea, firstly, merch is flexible setup, it’s good if the setup is similar to your shop, and secondly, shops on the same merch can have different af systems, and they may not have common mechanisms in their work, but there will also be a lot of cases when you will not find out what kind of merch this store has for any amount of money, this also needs to be understood and accepted
[20:22:30] <Peter_Parker> If it is relevant to use data entry in exchanges/crypto exchanges/donation services?
In exchange offices (indicate full information and crypto address where to send money)
In crypto exchanges (where you can buy not through P2P, but through the payment method (we also indicate the information ss), take exchanges from the top 50-100). Money always comes in instantly (you can enter it there only with EU cards) + not all exchanges require the same name with CH.
[20:25:40] <Hoseramires> Peter_Parker: yes, everything is relevant, all that remains is to find one, but the direction is quite old, people are working
and not only eu material, and yus are heavily milked, there was a time, about 4 months ago, when someone was wasting that Robins debits in crypto, the price tag went into space, there were no cards anywhere, the topic lived for 2 weeks, then died, because it Hundreds and even thousands of people jerked off. but imagine if you found this yourself and milk it slowly into one snout.....
[20:26:11] <Serpantin666> If the card did not go to the 1st merch/shop. Does it make sense to continue working with her? Doesn't fraud occur on the bank's part when the transaction is not completed?
[20:27:02] <Hoseramires> Serpantin666: should be used if the card is alive, why should goodness disappear
[20:27:31] <Serpantin666> i.e. Doesn't the bank impose fraud when it doesn't go through the first time?
[20:27:39] <Serpantin666> exactly the bank, this is very interesting)
[20:27:50] <Hoseramires> Serpantin666: there will be a separate lecture on AF, this point will be discussed there
[20:28:15] <Hoseramires> ok, if I answered everyone, then good luck to everyone!
[19:10:11] <Hoseramires> So once again I greet everyone,
[19:10:16] <Hoseramires> guys, today we will look at searching for shops and merch, during the lecture please do not flood - write down questions in a text file - copy-paste after the lecture
[19:10:38] <Hoseramires> let's get started
[19:10:41] <Hoseramires> Our lecture will be about how you can find a suitable shop to work with and how to identify the merch that processes payments on this site, find out if it is suitable for your work, your material and skills.
[19:11:11] <Hoseramires> I am sure that each of you makes purchases on the Internet, on any platforms, and online stores, and you know how to find the product you need in the store where you can order it.
[19:11:36] <Hoseramires> Searching for shops by typing is no different from searching for a shop with the product you need, you just search for certain criteria that you need by typing.
[19:11:58] <Hoseramires> First, I’ll tell you what merch is, since many people don’t know it.
[19:12:08] <Hoseramires> Merchant account - an account for accepting payments via bank cards, bank or other means through online payment on the site.
[19:12:29] <Hoseramires> individuals or legal entities register in a merchant account to open an account, which is subsequently used to accept payments on the Internet.
[19:12:49] <Hoseramires> Do not confuse with a payment aggregator
[19:12:54] <Hoseramires> Now let's move on from terms to searching for shops.
[19:13:01] <Hoseramires> Remember that just search queries - words that you enter in any search engine in the query line, for example: buy apple iPhone 13, or buy macbook pro, or buy Gucci jeans.
[19:13:28] <Hoseramires> you will not be able to find a suitable site right away, since you will have to sift through dozens or hundreds of pages. Since on the first pages of search engines there will always be giant shops, like BestBuy, Amazon, Seers, etc. You can work with them, but they require a completely different approach and experience. You won’t be able to take the first SS you come across and drive in 10k dollars, don’t try.
[19:14:21] <Hoseramires> What will we do?
[19:14:24] <Hoseramires> I will tell you that there are actually many options.
[19:14:32] <Hoseramires> Conventionally, they can be divided into two types:
[19:14:39] <Hoseramires> Type No. 1 is SEO optimized queries:
[19:14:45] <Hoseramires> 1. You can search for shops using SEO optimization resources from one of the sites on the desired topic. SEO optimization is a set of measures for internal and external optimization of a website to promote it in search engines. Accordingly, the higher the site’s position in the search engine, the greater the traffic, and accordingly, higher-frequency queries are used to promote it.
[19:15:39] <Hoseramires> For example: at the request of Gucci jeans, Google produces the following picture. https://ibb.co/z4TS9Hv
[19:15:53] <Hoseramires> let's take the last site on the first page of the site search as an example:
[19:17:27] <Hoseramires> Go to the site, find any necessary category (in this case, skinny jeans) and right-click on a free field in the browser field.
[19:17:37] <Hoseramires> We need the line View Page Source https://ibb.co/yyDrhTJ - click on it, we get this:
[19:17:53] <Hoseramires> http://prnt.sc/vscdaf - we see that the meta name line contains the queries by which this page is promoted
[19:18:13] <Hoseramires> All we have to do is compile the queries with our own and go searching more specifically, for example: if you make the following query “clothes shop+inurl:Straight Slim Fit Jeans” then Google will return http://prnt. sc/vscg6o
[19:19:00] <Hoseramires> 2. Shops can also be searched through “query operators”, which you can read about in more detail here https://lifehacker.ru/vse-sekrety-google/, or even better, study them on SEO forums, you can find a lot of interesting things there.
[19:19:32] <Hoseramires> As an example, I will give the following query operator: clothes shop+ inurl:e-gift - will give us a list of shops that have the phrase e-gift in the link, or “clothes totes egift” - Double quotes allow find only the expression that they contain.
[19:20:07] <Hoseramires> 3. Until recently there was a working tool Alexa.com, it closed on May 1, 22, but there are analogues on the Internet:
[19:20:24] <Hoseramires> analogues: similarweb.com, similarsites.com, semrush.com - you can also specify Gucci and go down 10-15 levels of similarity. There are also options to look for technically similar shops to the shop that allows you to type well (I myself use them in a completely different industry).
[19:21:04] <Hoseramires> This is Wikipedia of all sites on the Internet
[19:21:10] <Hoseramires> these sites conduct statistics, audit and create reports on sites.
[19:21:19] <Hoseramires> In the paid version, here you can order an audit of your site and it will tell you what can be improved.
[19:21:33] <Hoseramires> But we are interested in something else - this is the top chart of sites. Yes, just like on the radio there is a top chart of songs, here, for example, on similarweb.com, you will see a top list of sites.
[19:21:56] <Hoseramires> The question arises, why?
[19:22:00] <Hoseramires> I will answer that this way you can find a shop for yourself and our shops should not be at the top, but somewhere in the middle or a little lower. Since there is usually less fraud on them, but manual checking of orders is often encountered, there are fewer orders, and therefore there were fewer attempts to deceive, etc.
[19:22:40] <Hoseramires> https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/
[19:22:46] <Hoseramires> using this link you can see the top list of sites
[19:22:53] <Hoseramires> https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/united-states/category/e-commerce-and-shopping/ this is a link to online shops - what we need - be sure to take a look
[19:23:16] <Hoseramires> Type No. 2 – auctions, markets, thematic forums, forums with reviews of products and shops, etc.
[19:23:29] <Hoseramires> 1. You can also search for shops through Ebay, but not everyone has their own website, you need to search. It’s enough just to go to the product we’re interested in and look at the information about the seller, if it’s a shop, we’ll see that the page is usually colorfully designed, and the seller’s name is something like: freeshippngshoes, bestshoes, goodwatches, etc. Study carefully
[19:24:18] <Hoseramires> Next, we just have to type this data into Google and go to the store’s website, if one exists. However, it’s not always possible to immediately bypass the shop’s antifraud system; sometimes it’s easier to drive it into eBay
[19:24:44] <Hoseramires> 2. Shops can also be searched through Amazon. We go to amazon.com, enter a query in the search bar, for example SSD. We are interested in the number of sellers of this product https://prnt.sc/MtWiLIL16FgW, go to the card itself and look at the sellers of this product, a page opens with all sellers of this product https://prnt.sc/IaqGNSdE9CdG
[19:25:33] <Hoseramires> in this menu are sellers of goods in this category. All we have to do is copy their names and paste them into Google, and then continue by analogy with the previous one.
[19:25:53] <Hoseramires> 3. You can also search for shops on thematic forums, for example: a forum for young mothers, or a fishing forum. With the right approach and SE, you will be given a bunch of shops that you will spend a very long time looking for on the Internet.
[19:26:23] <Hoseramires> Thanks to the young mother Michelle - she suggested an excellent shop with expensive baby strollers and a no-show anti-fraud system. The shop unfortunately closed, but the strollers arrived in RU)
[19:26:47] <Hoseramires> Shops can be found on the website http://www.resellerratings.com
[19:26:57] <Hoseramires> At the top is the store category drop-down menu. There we select browse all stores by category and on the left there will be a menu with categories. For example, choose apparel and jewelry. We see “sort by” and click
[19:27:24] <Hoseramires> This is how we will display the sites with the lowest ratings on the first page. But there are 468 pages of these sites in the clothing and bizhi section. About 70% of them have a zero rating and about three quarters of those 70% of shops are small, giving well.
[19:27:57] <Hoseramires> In fact, there are many ways to find the stores we need, with the right product, but I most often use these methods of work. I recommend that you experiment with query operators, as this is the fastest and most convenient option for searching for shops.
[19:28:36] <Hoseramires> In my experience, sometimes large stores send much better than small ones, but this is more of an exception and direct hands than just luck). You need to try to break into all the shops you like.
[19:29:02] <Hoseramires> Sometimes you come across a scam shop, for example, I came across one where Iphone 15 pro cost 399 bucks, so it’s better not to swear at such shops, they were created by our colleagues to collect swear words.
[19:29:29] <Hoseramires> Carefully study the shop before entering
[19:29:35] <Hoseramires> read its rules, delivery conditions, communicate with support, etc.
[19:29:45] <Hoseramires> 4.Markets
[19:29:47] <Hoseramires> Searching for shops in markets is simple, you go to Google or any other search engine, but still Google is a giant and many people go there.
[19:30:06] <Hoseramires> First, log in only from the IP of the country where you will look for the product. Since Google filters out shops by country.
[19:30:22] <Hoseramires> For example: I went to the Google website under ip USA and entered the request dji mini 3 pro, you can already enter the fourth one.
[19:30:37] <Hoseramires> https://prnt.sc/P8zDiAZQhSew
[19:30:42] <Hoseramires> this is a pretty good entry-level quadcopter
[19:30:50] <Hoseramires> We will see the following https://prnt.sc/QsRIWy8oU3SM
[19:30:58] <Hoseramires> You immediately see the block from sponsors, but this is not our goal, there are always top shops here, but above we see the Shopping tab, which is what we need. The essence of the search here is through filters, we set the necessary requirements and weed out the top shops, we find a suitable option.
[19:31:36] <Hoseramires> I made dji mini 3 pro for myself immediately after it went on sale. Fire apparatus. So go ahead, analyze and try, the main thing is to write down everything, every move.
[19:32:00] <Hoseramires> This method of work has been discussed in the lecture for quite some time, but this algorithm has not lost its relevance, nothing supernatural is required
[19:32:22] <Hoseramires> This is especially important at the initial stage, so you will understand what you did wrong or vice versa.
[19:32:36] <Hoseramires> Excel table with all sources - website - map - link to product - when entered - result, etc.... Must Have
[19:32:52] <Hoseramires> 5. The method of working directly from the location of your card or your drop, we connect via VPN or SOCK5 under our data and look at shops that are in close proximity to us. look at what's on Google maps
[19:33:24] <Hoseramires> we set the request specifically in Google maps. We are looking for the product that we are interested in, look at the shops on Google that have online shops.
[19:33:42] <Hoseramires> try a product that has minimal fraud but which can be sold sparingly, in the first stages it is better to put pressure on quantity, after gaining experience, you can switch to quality
[19:34:08] <Hoseramires> After we have found the shop we need, we can analyze it on the site http://webstatsdomain.org/, this is a site that displays statistics on addresses, but it is also suitable for statistics on shopping
[19:34:36] <Hoseramires> enter the address of the store on the website and see what it is. if it has a low cost, then either it is a new store or it is a small store, both of which are suitable for us.
[19:35:02] <Hoseramires> is discussed in more detail in the video, although the video is not new, and Alex’s rating has left the market, but everything else is relevant, take a look, the video is interesting and working
[19:35:24] <Hoseramires> https://fex.net/ru/s/6bfzvvf
[19:35:29] <Hoseramires> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++
[19:35:39] <Hoseramires> So we come to the second part of our lecture - what is merch?
[19:35:48] <Hoseramires> And so, I repeat.
[19:35:52] <Hoseramires> Merchant account - an account for accepting payments via bank cards, bank or other means through online payment on the site.
[19:36:13] <Hoseramires> individuals or legal entities register in a merchant account to open an account, which is subsequently used to accept payments on the Internet.
[19:36:33] <Hoseramires> To make it more clear to you, we will talk about the shop as if we were creating it for ourselves.
[19:36:48] <Hoseramires> That is. Having created a site, we register our account in the payment system and receive a merchant account, the system in which we registered gives us data for our site, as a rule, for most of the main site systems (engines on which the site is created) there are modules (of their own image, some site engines, like Lego. You use certain modules to create the necessary functionality on the site) for such payment systems, where you simply enter the data received from the merchant account. And now you already have a full-fledged payment gateway on your website.
[19:38:06] <Hoseramires> Payment gateway is a hardware and software complex that allows you to automate the process of accepting payments online. A payment gateway is developed by the payment system, which both defines its specification and is responsible for its support.
[19:38:40] <Hoseramires> Usually the payment gateway is divided into several parts:
[19:38:48] <Hoseramires> • payment form - a page on the seller’s website that contains an HTML form that contains a number of necessary parameters (seller ID, amount and payment comment). By activating the form, the buyer is redirected to the payment gateway itself;
[19:39:26] <Hoseramires> • payment page - a page or set of pages on which the buyer again sees the purchase data, he is given the opportunity to refuse payment, log in, or select certain options. The actions that must be performed to successfully complete the purchase depend entirely on the payment system;
[19:40:11] <Hoseramires> • payment status pages (“Success URL” and “Fail URL”) - pages on the seller’s website to which the buyer is redirected in the event of successful or unsuccessful completion of the payment process;
[19:40:38] <Hoseramires> • payment result page (“Result URL”) - a page on the merchant’s website called by the payment gateway bot, regardless of the buyer’s actions (even if the buyer’s connection is interrupted after payment and he will not be able to go to payment status page, the payment result page will be called). The payment result page accepts data about the past payment transaction and it is at this stage that the necessary changes related to this payment should be made.
[19:41:46] <Hoseramires> In addition to the payment systems themselves, where you can create a merchant account, there are also intermediaries - this is a payment aggregator, which is why at the very beginning I said do not confuse these concepts.
[19:43:55] <Hoseramires> Aggregator (e-commerce) - a company operating in the e-commerce market, engaged in establishing multiple agreements with individual payment systems and service providers, as well as with telecom operators to facilitate the process of organizing payment for goods by consumers - through the Internet.
[19:44:16] <Hoseramires> Sometimes it is easier for some to make an account here than in many payment systems, but believe me, this is not so. Here they can block everything at once, when when you register in payment systems, only the one where you made a mistake will be blocked, while others will work. And sometimes the requirements for registrars are stricter here, for example Braintree.
[19:44:55] <Hoseramires> https://www.braintreepayments.com/
[19:45:00] <Hoseramires> To determine merch, I most often use the site http://builtwith.com/ - if you have the opportunity, you can buy a subscription there for your hard-earned money, it costs 500 bucks a month, you won’t be able to skimp
[19:45:28] <Hoseramires> The simplest ways:
[19:57:18] <Hoseramires> This is the end of this lecture, as for a more detailed analysis of merch and a few tricks on merch, everything will be in one of the next lectures - MERCHANTS.
ask questions I will answer
[19:58:26] <imissyou> 1.what is VBV?
2.what does it mean to take a roller?
[19:58:49] <ht_ice> "Taking into account the peculiarities of setting up the system in shops, it often happens that shops do not see the full address of the holder, but only see ZIP. Therefore, sometimes it is advisable to take a card under the zip of the middleman/drop, and drive it into their address is bil=ship. Such shops can only be found through tests." This only applies to EU, right?
What is a safekey?
[19:59:35] <Hoseramires> imissyou:
VBV (Verified by Visa) is an authentication service used for secure online payments using Visa cards. When you pay online with a Visa card that participates in the Verified by Visa program, you may be asked to enter a password or code to verify your identity. This helps protect you from fraud and provides an extra layer of security when making online transactions.
taking a roll means taking a rolled card where you can see the balance and transfers
[20:00:27] <Hoseramires> ht_ice: no, this applies to the USA, the avs system is the system of the USA, Canada, several other countries, but not Europe, everything is different in Europe
[20:00:38] <Akpatyr> Is it always necessary to get information from the CC, such as the mother’s maiden name, NSS?
[20:00:49] <Hoseramires> ht_ice: safekey is WWW
[20:01:37] <Hoseramires> Akpatyr: mother’s maiden name is bad, it can’t always be found on the Internet, I don’t understand what kind of abbreviation this is
[20:01:53] <KimJo> 1. It was said that it is easier to get it on ebay than on some small shops. Is this due to AF or due to manual checking? (otherwise at the beginning they said on the contrary that it is better not to try on ebay, Amazon, etc. to beat until you have no experience)
2. Is there any topic on the forum where fellow scammers post shops that it’s better not to enter into, because... did they make them?)
3. Besides searching by the source code of the template page, are there any automated ways (except builtwith) to understand which merch the shop was made on? otherwise, for starters, 500 bucks a month, a bit fat)
4. prnt - point -sc/vscg6o - writes that the screenshot has been deleted
[20:01:58] <Akpatyr> Social security number?
[20:02:37] <Hoseramires> Akpatyr: they don’t say that)) there is an ssn number, you can almost always get it
[20:04:59] <Hoseramires> KimJo:
1 if you don’t go on quests, you can get through anything, these are just shops for ordinary buyers, and eBay is no exception, I started with Amazon, and was in normal profit, it’s a question of approach
2 this cannot happen, no one will share their work, and.....read the first point!
3 no, not all shops show this and want people to know about it, that’s why such a tool does not exist
[20:05:13] <ya8no> what is carding?)
[20:05:34] <Hoseramires> ya8no: skimp, drive from someone else’s card,
[20:05:40] <ya8no> now I read the word understood ahahahaa
[20:06:06] <nlf> what other points can you suggest for analyzing shops in an Excel spreadsheet? except for the card number, time, the shop itself and the result?
[20:07:55] <Hoseramires> nlf: this is a popular question, but I have not seen such a table, it all depends on you, someone will take into account some parameters, and someone else, but anyone can be in profit. shop, ip, check ip, mail, mail status, card, card status - these are the most basic
[20:08:02] <Hoseramires> LENNY BELARDO: come on
[20:08:04] <LENNY BELARDO> 1) Why can’t you create your own website as a fake person and connect a payment aggregator to charge cards and merge? 2) As I understand it, merch is short for merchant? But a merchant is an online store with goods/services that accept cards, and in the examples there were payment aggregators. Trying to figure out what I messed up
[20:10:20] <Hoseramires> LENNY BELARDO:
1 I don’t know why it’s not possible, knowledgeable people do it, and you can just buy such a kit, a drawing shop, with connected merch - buy it, drive it in, if you know how it works, they won’t close your shop so quickly.
2 yes, merchant
3 A merchant account in an online store (shop) is a special business account that allows the store to accept payments from its customers via credit or debit cards. This account is associated with the payment processor or payment gateway that processes the store's transactions. With a merchant account, a store can accept payments online and the funds are credited to its bank account once the transactions are processed.
[20:10:43] <Serpantin666> I understand that the topic of e-gift is still ahead, but I want to ask: how many sites exist for their sales, with weak antifraud to this day? Does it make sense to try this direction now?
[20:13:34] <Hoseramires> Serpantin666: let me write the main idea in caps
THIS IS NOT A QUEST WITH STRONG AND WEAK ANTI-FRAUD, ANY SHOP HAS AN AF SYSTEM, BUT IT IS NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF THE SHOP TO DO SO THAT THEY DON’T BUY ANYTHING FROM THEM, THE TASK OF THE ANTI-FRAUD IS TO WEED OUT THOSE WHO CAN BE A CARDER, AND TO SKIP THOSE WHO DO NOT SEEM TO BE SO, AND YOUR ASS CHA SIMPLY ADJUST TO THE OWNER!!! PROFIT! EVERYONE BEATS BOTH AMAZON AND BESTBYE AND THEY ARE CONSIDERED HARD STORES, BUT STILL DEPENDS ON YOU!!!
[20:14:52] <Mr_Lotus> 1. how is it recommended to warm up the shop before driving in?
2. [10:10:20] <Hoseramires> LENNY BELARDO:
1 I don’t know why it’s not possible, knowledgeable people do it, and you can just buy such a kit, a drawing shop, with connected merch - buy it, drive it in, if you know how it works, they won’t close your shop so quickly.
to the question of “if you know how it works”, will this be discussed in more detail in the lectures? If not, where can I look for information?
[20:18:29] <Hoseramires> Mr_Lotus: 1 walk through the pages, conduct the activities of a person who really wants to buy something, compare, add to cart
2 here the whole question is to understand which cards to use, which ones have the longest charge, since you need time to get money into your account and withdraw it through drops or in person, such information cannot be, these are personal achievements, if anyone then he will say that you need to use this and everything will be in chocolate - you must understand what the topic in the public means and it is either dying or has already died, only personal achievements will feed you
[20:18:35] <ht_ice> Question about mobile typing
If the site has conditional information on merch, we can take it from the shop structure
That is, are there any ways to find out what merch is attached to the application?
[20:19:20] <Hoseramires> ht_ice: this is from the realm of science fiction, but you can go to the web version and check there, the merch will be the same
[20:19:40] <KimJo> Before that I asked about breaking through the site for what kind of merch/aggregator. If you develop a product that allows you to check this, what is the demand for it? Will it be useful or without a subscription for 500 bucks? Is it often easier to hit at random and check it yourself as you drive in?
[20:22:20] <Hoseramires> KimJo: I understand your question, but I’ll tell you that knowledge of merch is not a panacea, firstly, merch is flexible setup, it’s good if the setup is similar to your shop, and secondly, shops on the same merch can have different af systems, and they may not have common mechanisms in their work, but there will also be a lot of cases when you will not find out what kind of merch this store has for any amount of money, this also needs to be understood and accepted
[20:22:30] <Peter_Parker> If it is relevant to use data entry in exchanges/crypto exchanges/donation services?
In exchange offices (indicate full information and crypto address where to send money)
In crypto exchanges (where you can buy not through P2P, but through the payment method (we also indicate the information ss), take exchanges from the top 50-100). Money always comes in instantly (you can enter it there only with EU cards) + not all exchanges require the same name with CH.
[20:25:40] <Hoseramires> Peter_Parker: yes, everything is relevant, all that remains is to find one, but the direction is quite old, people are working
and not only eu material, and yus are heavily milked, there was a time, about 4 months ago, when someone was wasting that Robins debits in crypto, the price tag went into space, there were no cards anywhere, the topic lived for 2 weeks, then died, because it Hundreds and even thousands of people jerked off. but imagine if you found this yourself and milk it slowly into one snout.....
[20:26:11] <Serpantin666> If the card did not go to the 1st merch/shop. Does it make sense to continue working with her? Doesn't fraud occur on the bank's part when the transaction is not completed?
[20:27:02] <Hoseramires> Serpantin666: should be used if the card is alive, why should goodness disappear
[20:27:31] <Serpantin666> i.e. Doesn't the bank impose fraud when it doesn't go through the first time?
[20:27:39] <Serpantin666> exactly the bank, this is very interesting)
[20:27:50] <Hoseramires> Serpantin666: there will be a separate lecture on AF, this point will be discussed there
[20:28:15] <Hoseramires> ok, if I answered everyone, then good luck to everyone!
