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Sergey Pavlovich talked to Artem Tolovyakov, the organizer of mushroom retreats in Thailand.
What is a mushroom retreat, how is it conducted? How does it help to understand yourself and find your future path? How much does it cost? Is it dangerous? What states does a person go through? This and much more in this topic.
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Contents:
Introduction.
Pavlovich:
Friends, hello, glad to see you. And today we are talking about mushrooms. I know very little about mushrooms, actually, and neither do you. And without popularizing it, we will figure out why mushroom retreats have become popular lately, who conducts them. I haven’t tried it, to be honest, yet, well, I don’t want to yet anyway. We’ll see later. And for whom, for what do they help, or is it all quackery.
That’s why our guest now is Artem Tolovyakov, he conducts retreats here, in Thailand. He admitted that he can conduct retreats anywhere where mushrooms grow, but now we will talk specifically about Thailand.
Mushroom retreats. Popularity.
Pavlovich:
So, what are retreats in general, mushroom ones, right? What other types of retreats are there, because I only know yogic ones. What is it, for whom, for what and does it help?
Organizer:
Retreats are actually different. That is, if in a broad sense there are dark retreats, there are also retreats of silence. And I conduct precisely those retreats that are aimed at a person going deep into himself, again, thanks to plants and teachers, that's what I call mushrooms, immersed in himself, there is such an expression, all the answers are inside us. And each person, in fact, knows what to do, but inside something hinders him, certain barriers.
Mushrooms remove these barriers, because a person clearly understands where he needs to go.
Why are they becoming popular?
Organizer:
Several reasons. First, because people finally begin to think with their own heads that the actions they perform are not their actions. These are imposed patterns that come from the very childhood of their parents, the information they received, everything that was put into them. We are, in fact, biorobots. When they look for answers, and if a person looks, he always finds. Bam! Let's say he is trying to go on a retreat. He looks at a person, looks at me, I appeal to him, and he, accordingly, thinks, maybe there is an answer there.
And, accordingly, these are certain signs of the Universe. And there is a second option - the topic of esotericism in general, in principle, it has now become popularized, based on the fact that the vibrations of the Earth are rising, and people are catching completely different states - apathy, loss of meaning. This is a hint to the fact that, finally, my friend, stop following someone else's path, find your own.
And in order to find your own, you need to go a colossal way. And mushrooms, just like that, this is exactly the retreat, it helps a person gain an understanding of where he needs to go, get rid of everything alien, what was stuffed into his head throughout his life, and be happy. And being happy is the key.
Vibrations of the Earth. The meaning of life.
Pavlovich:
Look, two things at once. The first is that I'm not sure that the vibrations of the Earth are rising. My wife says so too. But, for example, the surge of interest in all sorts of terrorists, hermans and the like. Yes, since the beginning of the war in Russia it has increased three-five-tenfold, because the state of the economy and human politics in general is very unstable, many have relatives there at war on both sides, yes, and people want to at least a little bit bring knowledge of the future closer, that is, to reveal why they go to all sorts of fortune tellers and the like.
That is, I'm not sure that their vibrations of the Earth are rising. The second thing that confuses me is that most people don't even think about it. I approached the zone, well, it's clear that the zone may not be the most relevant place, but still, society has a certain means, social stratification is also present there.
And I probably personally asked a hundred people what the meaning of life is. And 80 percent of them almost rush to fight. You ask some kind of nonsense. And in fact, about why you are here, what is the meaning of life of humanity as a whole and yours personally, I think that on the planet, probably, maybe, 10 percent have thought about it. The rest have an existence, whether free or in the zone, well, something like that, stole-drank in prison, as they say.
That is, work, some kind of home, And what do you have? Work, children, snotty houses, crying and so on, and so on, and most people have it like that. Therefore, I think that about some high matters and at least about their personal purpose, probably a maximum, I think, of 10 percent of people on Earth at all times thought.
Organizer:
Regarding the vibrations of the Earth, even these situations in the world that are happening, this just says that such circumstances are developing, that people are starting to think, yes, that is, if we look at why, we see the root cause that you said, because situations in life are starting to happen. I am saying, you know how, I am saying based on what I saw during immersions. Immersion is what happens during a retreat, yes, what is commonly called a trip, but I don’t like it because it is such a useless word.
Especially a bad trip. A bad trip is wonderful, it is good, it is liberation. Right? Yes, it is great. And what I see there, in essence, I am broadcasting here, that is, as the original source, I am not saying that all this is true, but based on the actions that I do, I confirm it. And here again about the vibrations of the Earth. It's just that circumstances are so tough, they develop, yes, let's take the same war that is happening, and all this again so that people start thinking.
Before, there was 1%, then 5%, now 10%. And so we are all moving towards absolute Love and Goodness reigning. Now we have a chance, we have a chance to win this rink in terms of defeating evil. I'm not sure at all. I'm sure.
Pavlovich:
Judging by, I don't know, 10 years ago, I probably had a more optimistic view of life and the world in general, just like you do now. Now I have confidence, and it's giving way to disappointment with each passing month.
Organizer:
And what took this faith away?
Pavlovich:
Well, what's happening, yes. What shouldn't be happening, but you face it every day. Even more, probably, the younger generation, I thought, well, you know, by evolution, that is, they should be smarter than us, kinder, somehow better adapted to life. But during the war I saw what they were saying in general, how they supported all this. And it seemed to me that in our post-Soviet countries, at least, something would start changing for the better when the people in power would be much, well, even younger than me, who hadn't lived under the Soviet Union, who were not infected with this slave gene, and with the Soviet Union in general.
I expected it to be like this, but I saw that they are the same as us, like our parents. That is, all this took away my faith in a better future for humanity.
Organizer:
Well, you see, if a person loses faith, then he contributes to what ultimately contributed to his losing faith. Faith should never be lost. Even this situation happens….
Pavlovich:
But faith in what?
Organizer:
Faith in absolute love, that there will be good, that everything will be fine, everything will be wonderful, that each person will proceed from the fact that he will not think first of all about his own ass and step on heads, but think that based on the purpose that he does, to give benefit, and based on this, he will have everything.
Awakening of people.
Organizer:
Why am I so sure of this, because I saw all this in immersion. I'm not saying that it will be 100% like this, but if they told me, you, Artem, will act as you act, awaken people, that is, they gave me a specific goal to awaken a million people, what I mean by awakening. When a person cleanses himself of all the shit that is inside him, because of which he commits bad deeds, greed, this is what prevents him from living, thinks about the future, although he needs to live here now, thinks about the past, it irritates him.
But we don't live here at all in the moment. A person can, for example, record a podcast and think about some problems that will come later, and I'm sitting here now, I'm really enjoying the fact that I once watched you in 2020 on the couch, eating chips, not understanding what to do. I thought, wow, this is Sergey, this is his path. All the same, despite the fact that he spent 10 years in places not so remote, and now he launched such a colossus on YouTube and talks about it.
And to some extent even you influenced me in this regard, because I remember then, and now even when we talk, I remember, why can't I do it? It means I can do it. That's it. You just need to act.
Experience with mushrooms. Mushroom retreat.
Pavlovich:
And many of you will succeed, so go ahead and do it, yes, like Nike. Just do it. Good. At what age did you first try mushrooms and what mushrooms are you talking about?
Organizer:
Now I'm 32, I tried them when I was 29. Before that, I had the following attitude towards mushrooms. They are mind-altering drugs, you can't do that, because in my entire life I've only tried alcohol once. It was when I was in sixth grade, so the guys and I got ready. That's really early. Yes. I tried alcohol, tried cigarettes and couldn't understand what the point was.
That is, I somehow very early began to realize that this is harmful, that it will simply confuse me in the future. There is some kind of grain of kindness in me that has guided me throughout my life. By the age of 29, when I had more or less leveled my life, I had a certain income, about a million rubles a month. But what is that from?
Pavlovich:
This is normal, many would say, now a million rubles.
Organizer:
Yes, yes, and there was a moment when before these earnings, let's say, two years ago, I thought that if I earn a million, that's it, I will be happy. This time has come, I earn a million, and there is no smell of happiness at all. I think about how can I earn five? How can I earn five million? Arsen Ashotovich Markaryan also had a very strong influence on my life. From him I heard about this wonderful tool that helps to find your own purpose, or, if you are already in your own purpose, to confirm that you are in it.
Because many people, when, for example, they are even doing their purpose, they have certain doubts. Is it the right thing to do? Maybe I need to do music? Maybe there is a certain obstacle here, I don’t need to go there? And when you understand that this is your purpose, you perceive obstacles as non-obstacles. It’s just a barrier that needs to be jumped over, after which there will be great rewards.
When I heard about this, as soon as he started talking about it, I immediately understood, I remember a feeling in my chest - “I need to go there”. This is the mushroom call, it’s about how to understand that you are being called. That is, people who are watching now, if something responds directly inside them, but this is it, you can’t explain it, I just need to go there. I went to my first retreat in Bali, I went to Bali, it was in Bali, that’s how I got involved.
What kind of mushrooms were they? They were psilocybin mushrooms, I don’t remember the variety, but it radically changed my life.
Pavlovich:
Well, okay, you heard that there would be some kind of retreat, here and there, legs in hands, got to Bali, and what happened? Describe what you saw at that moment. What did you expect to see, what did you see?
Organizer:
Well, first of all, my whole life, in fact, led me to this moment. The most important thing is what they showed me on the first day. So what is a retreat? It is 4 days of immersion. On average, a person is kept for 4-6 hours, yes, you definitely need to go through 4 days. I came with the goal of simply increasing my income from 1 million rubles to 5 million rubles, and that's it, I don't need anything else.
Pavlovich:
So you wanted the mushrooms to reveal to you how to do this. Yes. You had a specific request, that is, you were not looking for eternal life or happiness there. You thought that the mushrooms would help you discover some ways to earn more, right?
Organizer:
I'll say more, yes. I thought that happiness was, well, I thought that happiness was in wealth. The more money I had, then I would be happy. And I went with this request. Looking ahead, I will say that in principle, you can’t go to mushrooms with a request, with expectations at all. Because there is a certain spirit in mushrooms that you enter. And if you are really pumping for something there, you can get it in the neck there.
Well, in a certain sense, you can catch a Bad Trip, and until you get it in the neck there, you won’t get it in the neck there.
Pavlovich:
In short, I understood with earthly requests in my business youth. Well, figuratively, in some kind of business club.
Organizer:
There they show, no questions, what needs to be done to get rich. But first you need to clean yourself up in a timely manner. That is, here you work with the state, that is, money comes to the state. In general, I go to my first day of the retreat, I remember how before the ceremony, when I took a crumb of mushrooms, crossed myself, everyone smiled, I think they were smiling? I am Orthodox.
That's it, I go directly into the immersion, and everyone has different feelings, I tell about mine.
Pavlovich:
Was the host Russian or a foreigner?
Organizer:
Russian. Where did you find it? On Instagram, as always? No, it was very specific, I knew where to go, because Arsen Ashotovich Markarian, where he went, that's where I, based on his information, went. That is, I clearly understood where I was going, I understood that I was in good hands. This is now the system by which I work, Pavlo Dmitrievo, so I had no concerns. I knew what I was doing, where I was going. I dive, spaceships, like pictures, and then at a certain moment I am thrown into space, and so, when I stood on the street, I saw that there, there are many such deities.
I'm standing there, and I have this inner apathy. They say, well, Artyom, are you going to be a shaman? I say, wait, what shaman? I'm laughing so hard, like, what kind of shaman am I? I just need to understand how to make 5 million rubles out of a million rubles. That's it, I don't need more. No-no-no, you don't understand anything at all. You'll either be a shaman, or you'll be unhappy, or you'll be happy.
Or the fact that you're running for some reason now, you'll get there, but you won't be happy.
Pavlovich:
Who told you that?
Organizer:
That's the deity there, which you directly meet during immersion. Someone can meet a deity, someone can meet different kinds of creatures, entities. That is, you determine it there based on how you experience yourself when you interact with them. That is, you can immediately determine whether it's good or bad, at least that's how it is for me. I leave after the first day, I'm in a panic, I'm thinking, what kind of shaman am I, what nonsense, I just want to increase my income.
I didn't tell anyone on the first day that I was a shaman, I go in on the second day, and there they already communicate with me more lightly, they say, well, look, let us show you. The same creatures. Yes, the same ones. Continuation, series. And they say, look, let us show you two options. Now if you continue to do what you do, yes, here are your guarantors in the PUBG Mobile game, or you will, I'm still wondering how they know this. Or you will decide and trust us, and you will become a shaman. They showed there, you earn so much, you sell an account that you have not been able to sell for so long, I had it hanging for two years, an account for the game PUBG Mobile, I bought it, it cost a million rubles in total, a very good deal. They showed the development when I become a shaman, that is, if I become a shaman, a certain action will happen, but they showed it in the near future, they did not throw it far. That is, also, also a certain one, they had a check, that is, if they show right away that you are so wonderful, that is, you are going there foolishly, and here they showed you, that is, you will sell an account that you have not been able to sell for 2 years, you will meet a person with whom you have wanted to meet for so long and get to know each other in person. That's it, I come out like this on the second day and thought about it for a very, very, very long time, right up until the fourth day. Besides that, besides that, during all the dives there is a cleansing, a cleansing as if you are physically cleansed of all sorts of crap.
And this is what awaits you. When they showed me if I continue to do what I do, yes, I will have 5 million rubles, 10 million rubles, but I will chase, chase, chase this money, and I will not feel the moment here now at all. I will die alone, I will walk over heads, there will also be a certain kind of greed, aggression and simply a depressing scenario there. And they showed what will happen if I become a shaman. Before the retreat, I do not advise doing this, but I did, I was on stocks for 21 days, fasted. Forgave, like. Yes, that is, it is individual for everyone, it may not suit someone, but I approached the retreat very clean. There they cleanse themselves in different ways, that is, the mushrooms analyze the body, see what is wrong and pull it out either with vomiting or with sweat, you experience emotions, cry, remember different situations, get rid of all these psychological traumas, truly, when you have already gotten rid of everything, you feel this absolute love. This is an indicator that you are more or less clean. The first retreat is always a cleansing, a cleansing of everything that slows you down. The third day they also showed me what awaits me, they Cleansed. This was also an interesting moment. At the retreat, they first disconnected me from the "Matrix". That is, everything as they showed in our wonderful trilogy about the "Matrix". At a certain moment, I find myself in space, lying under water, opening my eyes. And this is not a dream, but this is not a dream, this is just real reality. I open my eyes and cannot understand, I am under water, why am I not panicking and breathing? And so, when I start to feel myself, start to touch myself, look at the wires, start to unhook them, this capsule opens. And only at the moment when I suddenly stand up from the water like this, sit on my ass, and I suddenly find myself in the space where I am going through the retreat. I open my eyes, and everything is just in these green pixels, like in the matrix. And people are walking, those who directly conducted the retreat, they are all green, they are all pixelated, all green, here, here, a natural matrix. I feel that there is something inside me, something inside me lives right in my stomach. Different from me. They blow rapé on me, a rapé ceremony, and I begin to cleanse myself. And at the moment when I am vomiting, I see how this octopus in the bucket is squeaking in different ways. You were normally held there. Here, and this is this metaphysical purification, when you see. Then I realized that with this octopus all this greed, bile, envy of people that I basically have came out. That is, everything is explained there, everything is integrated, the same thing that I do on retreats. On the third day I felt such absolute love for everything, and on the fourth day I was completely collected. The first, second day usually take a person apart, because in order to, let's say, collect something, you need to take it apart.
Also, let's say, I always compare this, a man came to me with a Zaporozhets made of Lego to assemble... But he needed to assemble a Lamborghini. The Lego constructor can be disassembled and assembled into a Lamborghini. And after the fourth day I finally decided, well, that means I need to. I'll try, at least I'll try, I'll believe. That's it. And from that moment when I understood, I started my activity at such moments, I started learning this. And now I'm happy.
I look at my life. Sometimes I fall asleep, sometimes I start to feel sad, or worry about something else. Let's say, today before filming I was really, really worried. At such moments I imagine that I'm an observer, why am I worried. I worry, and this worry throws on the ego. We will never get rid of the ego. And when you look in the observer's crochet, why are you worried?
What is it? Everything is good, everything is wonderful. Everything happens as it happens. And in the moment when you observe, you calm down. The retreat is a second birth for me. And this is how all the participants who have gone through it describe it. It is truly a second birth, an understanding of where I need to go.
Pavlovich:
Does the dosage increase, or specifically the mushrooms every day?
Organizer:
Yes, the dosage increases gradually every day. That is, the first day is more or less introductory, but still. What is most interesting is that on the first day people are usually carried away the deepest, that is, at least the dosage is smaller.
Pavlovich:
There is no habit yet, no addiction.
Organizer:
There is no addiction to mushrooms in general, in principle. There, on the contrary, every day you think about how not to go to the next one. God, I hope it will all end. Of course. Because you meet your fears there. And it is scary. You meet your fears, situations. So, for example, why a retreat, and not psychologists, or something else? Because when a person comes to a psychologist, He still hides something. A person, truly honestly, can only be himself. And when a person dives into mushrooms, they all, in general, bins, so turn over everything that you hide, all your situations in life in general.
You have to completely reassemble them so that your state changes. You meet your fears, look for the root cause, eliminate it. And the person, in fact, does all this himself. I am just like a guide. If suddenly some situation, a person asks me, and I tell him how to act in a given situation.
In fact, a person does everything himself. This is communication between himself and himself. Who was the last time he simply secluded himself and sat like this without phones, without gadgets and analyzed for at least three hours whether he was doing everything right? No one stays with himself.
Pavlovich:
Well, I was sitting in the zone, meditating at night and by myself. Here. A mosquito lands on my hand, I feel it, here on my shoulder, there, for about 16 minutes, there, 25, well, about that. You think, well, bitch, you'll get drunk.
Organizer:
You had a long retreat, 10 years, I think. But it also gave you a lot. This is even unbelievable to me.
The likelihood of going crazy. Fatal outcomes. Is there a chance of going crazy? You were afraid that... Well, there are all sorts of things, like LSD and stuff, right? Raise it a little, a little, you're afraid that if you go a little deeper, you might not die out. One hundred percent, I suppose, that the most correct way, no matter if it's chemistry or not, is when you go in the company of some knowledgeable people, because alone there is a real risk of even jumping out the window. And in general, the risk is not imaginary, but real, yes, or killing yourself. Because some unexpected experiments just come to your mind, which you don’t think about in sober life. You go into, I don’t know, a room, Yes. There’s some wire lying on the floor. You think, maybe he’ll hang himself? Well, just like that. Then you think, well, what nonsense. Is there something like that under mushrooms? Organizer: I’ll start with the fact that... Pavlovich: And what does it depend on? Organizer: I’ll start with the fact that you said correctly that in no case should you go through this experience alone. And don’t ask a friend who is not in the context at all, what can happen only to conscious people. Because there are such cases, even to the point of death. That at my retreats, all the people go crazy. But what do I mean by this here? You can’t come to your true self without going crazy. Because, look, we have a mind. What happens when we dive into other worlds, that’s what I call it? The boundary of reason is erased, and you go to where the mind cannot understand. And to begin to understand, you need to go crazy, and you should not be afraid of this. This is the barrier that you need to cross, trust. Trust the mushrooms, trust the space, trust the guide. I also conduct a detailed integration about this there, so that when a person gets into this situation, he decides. He decides, at the moment it seems to him that he has gone crazy - bam! And then they begin to teach him. Either they begin to teach, or the situation is reproduced that needs to be lived through, and the person is literally freed. You can’t wake up, don’t make him crazy.
Pavlovich:
I would have been a bit scared, I think, at some points. Everyone is scared, absolutely everyone is scared. I was scared, I remember my first rhythm, I understand how many mistakes I made there in the sense that it was possible to live it all deeper, but I was afraid. And when my guys go through it now, that is, I explain everything to them with confidence, what and how, why, why this happens, why it seems to you in immersion that you are really going to die now, because the old personality dies so that a new one can appear in its place, the old attitudes die.
Let's say, the attitudes were implanted in your head since childhood, let's say, you're jumping around the hospital, and your mother looked at you like a slut. "Come on, sit still, can't you see there are people standing here." And from that moment on, you stopped showing up. You're afraid to talk on camera, although you want to, you really want to tell, no matter what, just to show up, just to develop in the media sphere.
There, if you've forgotten this situation, and this often happens, our memory amnesias us so that it doesn't hurt us too much, we remember, aha, right here, that's it, you live through it, this situation, you remove it, and just on this type, on which I conduct here in Thailand, in Phuket, this type allows people, they come out, and they want to develop directly in the media. They really have this desire, they start filming reels, recording videos, they are not afraid to talk on camera, it doesn’t matter how, the important thing is to just start acting. How many people are inactive? The overwhelming majority.
People’s complexes.
Pavlovich:
And we post-Soviet people probably have all sorts of complexes and attitudes, yes, I think, a lot and more. That is, I’m 100% sure, you can correct me, but I think that compared to, I don’t know, Western people, I don’t know, the Dutch, the English, the same Americans, I think we have 2-3 times more of all sorts of lack of freedom and narrow-mindedness than they do.
Organizer:
100%. Even just analyze yourself, just go to any restaurant, any one, how will you feel? You will behave unnaturally, not the way you behave at home. You will think that I’m standing wrong, that I’m not taking up space right at all. And if you still need to say something, you will think 10 times, and whether to say it or not, or to remain silent. This is all, really, it is so many complexes inside.
Pavlovich:
And if it is also in a foreign language? By the way, Russians, well, in general, everyone who is from the Soviet Union, we, in fact, speak a foreign language poorly, because we are embarrassed, firstly, they teach it terribly in our companies, secondly, we are embarrassed that we speak imperfectly and so on, and for this reason we simply do not speak. And we have no practice, and that's it, you see, it's like a vicious circle.
That's it, they teach us poorly, we speak poorly, we are embarrassed that we speak poorly, and we do not speak, we do not get practical skills, that's it. And this, too, it seems to me, is one of the complexes, among other things.
Organizer:
One hundred percent. That group of people there has complexes through the roof. And in order to remove these complexes, the retreat allows you to do this. So that you understand, I am an ordinary boy from Tyumen. I am a street kid who grew up in a simple family, without a father, I have a lot of complexes in a female collective. Fortunately, I had my brother, who, so to speak, helped me in my development.
But for the most part, I took all of this from the street. I understood that I was a man, I had to be strong, confident, I had to take responsibility for my mother, because she worked very hard. I even had, well, very often I cried even because I couldn’t help my mother in any way now in terms of starting to earn a lot of money, to fire her from work, so that she would be at home, so that she would be healthy.
That was probably my main motivation. That was my main motivation. And therefore, wherever I climbed, in what topics I was not, I am not a saint, all sorts of things happened. And I want to reach out to everyone, that it doesn’t matter what nonsense you did in your life, what matters is what kind of person you want to become. That’s the key. If you want to become good, in my understanding, it means broadcasting kindness and love. And you won't be happy any other way, you'll still be thrown out onto that path where you need to be like that in all sorts of different situations.
You won't understand, you'll just be slapped out of this life, and that's it, and another dimension.
Pavlovich:
You also need to understand and take steps in this direction.
Organizer:
One hundred percent to act. That faith without action is dead. One hundred percent to act, it's all very interconnected. And as for manifestation, I was generally very embarrassed by all of this, I was even embarrassed when I was riding the bus. I was generally a terribly insecure child, but I constantly wanted, I tried, I went into fear. And the retreat teaches that where it's scary, the greatest rewards are hidden behind fear.
For example, was I scared to go to the podcast today? I was scared as hell. I read these questions there, I also watched your interviews there. In my head, I was scared as hell. I twisted the dialogues, then sat down and realized, you just need to be yourself. Whatever happens, happens. People read all this, people need energy. If I want to benefit people, if I want to awaken a million souls, what I want to do, I have to be real.
This is who I am, this is who I am. Many people tell me, don't say that you are a simple guy, there and back. But I, the simple guy I was, I remain such a simple guy.
Cost of the retreat. Signs.
Pavlovich:
In terms of money, how much did this first retreat cost you? That is, you had to fly from Tyumen, let's say, to Bali at least? That's at least one and a half thousand dollars.
Organizer:
By that time I already had some accumulated funds. I had been saving them for two years. I was at a point when, well, Dori, I'll tell you somewhere, I was in terrible debt, in a real mess, and I got out of it again thanks to the knowledge of Arsen Ashotovich Markaryan. Markaryan, there is a monument to you here while you are alive. My development began with the knowledge of Arsen Ashotovich, and little by little I reached financial peace, so to speak.
As I said, I wanted to earn more. I came across a video where Arsen Ashilovich says that there is such a tool, I went, and it cost me money. The retreat itself cost about 5-7 thousand dollars, something like that. Not cheap. Yes. Plus tickets, right?
Pavlovich:
Plus tickets, plus tickets. In short, 8-9 thousand.
Organizer:
Something like that. Well, roughly speaking, like tens of rubles, to eat or not to eat.
Pavlovich:
Well, I thought it was much cheaper.
Organizer:
So, you see, you need to realize the value that a person receives. Now if we analyze it, well, it's even 100 thousand dollars, based on what I received and what the guys receive. I am now in my own destiny, I understand what I should do, and most importantly, I am in the moment here and now, and I am happy. Analyze the moments when suddenly something in my soul becomes sad, or begins to worry about something, that is, this is working with your own state.
That is, when you go to a psychologist, you feel better as long as you go to him. As soon as you stop going, you have a certain rollback. As for retreats, you learn to work with yourself. But it is very important to understand that a person must have developed personal responsibility. Mushrooms are not magic pills. A person who has completed a retreat, and that's it, and dangled his legs over his legs, and now everything will sort itself out - no, such people are immediately disqualified.
People, but mushrooms are NZT, we all remember, the area of darkness, then when a person has completed a retreat, personal responsibility is pumped up, what he was shown in immersion, what he needs to do, he does, and simply magically opportunities appear in your life. Let's say, how did I even get on the podcast with you, I really believe in signs, I believed before, and at the retreat, when I completed it, they also highlighted to me that everything is a sign, absolutely everything is a sign.
I was walking through the Phuket festival, through the shopping center, and I see you walking with Upruy. I'm like, I'll come up to you now, I think, no, okay, I won't bother you, we were talking there. And at some point Alexander, we got dressed here, says, listen, here's such an opportunity. I'm like, okay. That is, these are the highlights that tell you, here, take it, here is your opportunity. But many people do not notice opportunities at all.
Pavlovich:
Well, I only saw signs if they were, well, bad, you know. That is, when I analyze some bad situations, I understand that I saw at least 4-5 signs that week that are strongly connected with it.
Organizer:
These are also signs.
Pavlovich:
It's just that when something good happens, you don't notice that it's happening, but when something bad happens, you have time either in the hospital or in prison to understand, fuck, what the hell was that after all. And you start... Oh, but I was told about this, about this. Once in my life something like this happened, it was connected with an accident. There were like 5-6 signs connected with that car and with the accident later. Never happened before. But here they were so obvious that it was impossible not to notice them.
I don't know, the tire went flat for the first time. The next day, the customs officers didn't want to let the bribe through, they wanted something else. And there were about five such events.
Organizer:
You know, this is precisely because initially... Remember, you said that you lost faith in something good? And based on this, you see signs that warn you. And those signs that, on the contrary...
Pavlovich:
I lost faith recently, and that was a long time ago.
Organizer:
Those that benefit you, those are the signs, you don’t see them. That’s exactly what mushrooms do. Mushrooms, they return faith, they return the taste for life. That is, there are two options. That is, if a person comes at the initial stage, let’s say, he is just in his formation, he doesn’t have some kind of business or something else, they show him what to do, what to do, where to move, and he starts.
There are people who come, let’s say, dollar millionaires, And this is very important, because their eyes should sparkle.
Speaker?:
I. They should sparkle, because. Eyes. Our eyes — or people,
Organizer:
Who plunge their businesses directly into other worlds, they are shown how to scale, they are given this internal enthusiasm to do again. Remember the enthusiasm, when you were really burning with something, that's it, you are on. They give mushrooms this enthusiasm, and they remove this moment of disbelief, because faith is the most fundamental thing. Sergey, do not lose it under any circumstances, pull yourself out of this, this is very necessary, because your eyes must be burning.
Yours were burning.
People at retreats.
Pavlovich:
Let's talk about the social portrait. Here's who you saw at retreats, at the first one you went to yourself, that is, women, men, a portrait by demographics, of course, by social stratum. And who do you see now at your retreats? Where are all these people from and who are they?
Organizer:
When I first went to the retreat, we had a real male crowd. Plus or minus the same age. 25, 30, 18 years old. And it turned out so interestingly that two guys were from Tyumen. Now at the moment the age and range is somewhere plus or minus 5 years, i.e. 25, 30, 35, well, and guys come too.
That is, I associate myself as a simple guy, i.e. I do sports, I like to shoot some interesting videos closer to the youth, I communicate more with the youth like that. 30 from 20 to 35, that's the contingent basically.
Pavlovich:
By gender, by occupation?
Organizer:
Mostly men, but also women, somewhere around 20 percent, probably women. By occupation they are completely different. Someone wants to find themselves, someone still doesn't know at all what to do. Some people are into creativity, some are into marketing, some are into their own business, producing.
Pavlovich:
But the majority?
Organizer:
The majority are probably looking for themselves. They are looking to find themselves, to understand what to do. People have tried a lot of things, and they want to find their life's work. And in immersion, they tell you in plain text what to do.
Pavlovich:
Because it seems to me that it is quite simple even without immersion. You need to do what you are good at, yes, and what you like at the same time. Well, in my opinion, there are only two components. That's true. It turns out, that is, if you can do it, you have tried 20 activities, but you can do it, I don't know, write books or plane windows and doors, yes, that's it, it means you can do it, you have a talent for it. And the second point is that you also like it. And if this combination exists, well, probably, this is your occupation.
This is if you don't delve into mushrooms or esotericism or anything else.
Organizer:
But the question is, why then do many people, the majority of people, not do what they like? They work at a job that makes them sick, they do something that is not their business.
Pavlovich:
Why?
Organizer:
Because they are held by blocks, blocks of the program that was put into them. Their environment holds them, their surroundings hold them. And they hold this programming in the head, but mushrooms remove this programming, they completely defragment you, they clean you, and you come out renewed, you understand what you need to do.
Pavlovich:
Listen, I think that it is not only mushrooms that remove this, but also a bunch of other substances, just maybe to varying degrees and to varying degrees of harmfulness, by the way.
Organizer:
Mushrooms, what are they? They are plant enthogens, there is also ayahuasca, yes, there are mushrooms, there is the San Pedro cactus, there is, for example, LSD, which I do not welcome. Why do I not welcome it? Because LSD is synthetic and chemical. That is, as for Ayahuasca mushrooms, for example, the San Pedro cactus, this is nature, and when you go there, you are protected there by either mushrooms, or Ayahuasca, or the San Pedro cactus.
And in LSD, they can throw you there, that you... There can also be some pretty deplorable conditions there.
Mushroom safety. Events during the retreat.
Pavlovich:
That is, you believe that these things are natural, and they will be safer synthetically.
Organizer:
One hundred percent. One hundred percent. I was convinced there more than once, how many examples I have of people losing themselves there on LSD.
Pavlovich:
Okay, and what about safety? That is, I have a rough idea of what kind of mushrooms we are talking about. They are even sold on the potong, although it is illegal to sell them. Such small mushrooms, like small ones, just like honey mushrooms, yes, a small cap, such a long stem. They probably even grow in Belarus and in Russia, they are more or less the same all over the world. Well, do not pick them under any circumstances, because the article is in Russia, yes. Plus you can accidentally pick some death cap. By the way, it also looks like it and you are screwed. About the safety of mushrooms.
Where to get such mushrooms, how to distinguish them from poisonous, simply inedible mushrooms and how to safely do all this?
Organizer:
Let's start with the fact that there is no place to get them, where to pick them, right away. That is, to throw this thought out of your head in order to try something somewhere somehow yourself. This is very serious That is, people associate this with a second birth. It is strictly necessary under the supervision of knowledgeable people. And not just knowledgeable people, but people who are initiated in other worlds. That is, I was literally initiated into other worlds as a shaman.
Not because I decided. That is, when a person decides for himself and sees a business model in this, it does not work like that here. Something will happen to you during a retreat, you will have some situations, that is, the Universe will punish you over and over again, you are in the wrong place, get out of here. I have 250 plus people behind me, that is, I conducted retreat after retreat in my early days, that is, I had shalon after shalon of people, that is, group retreats. In no case should you climb in there yourself.
How long before you cover? Depending on what the diet was. If the person came really clean, then in 15-20 minutes. If so-so, then somewhere in 40 minutes, maybe in an hour. And it holds, you say, 4-6 hours? 4-6 hours, yes.
Pavlovich:
What do people experience at this time, besides communicating, well, theoretically, maybe not everyone, since you are there with some of your spirits, teachers, and those who give you hints.
Organizer:
Yes, at this time you essentially fly off to other worlds, there you either experience some kind of psychological trauma, face your fears, receive some information, at this time your business is here. And our task is to look after it. That is, in my opinion, from different situations. Someone, for example, starts to go somewhere, yes, we hold him. Calmly, calmly, everything is fine, everything is wonderful. That is, there is no control there.
That is, in the sense that a person can give up control. But what distinguishes a retreat on psilocybin from a fly agaric is that on psilocybin a person can still control himself in any state. He just has to trust. But all sorts of things can happen anyway. That is, our task is to ensure that this human spacesuit is safe. There can be different situations throughout the body. A person can tremble, there can be certain postkrasti.
Pavlovich:
And auyaski, I saw, makes everyone sick.
Organizer:
Nausea, that's for sure. That's how cleansing works too.
Pavlovich:
They blew some rapé into me once. It was like this powder was getting into my brain. By the way, I didn't like it. I wouldn't say that I discovered anything there. The meditation afterwards was cool, and before that they put these drops in my eyes,
Organizer:
They burn a lot, yes, and then the rapé.
Pavlovich:
Well, one woman. The woman is good here, right in Phuket, but I probably wouldn't repeat the procedure a second time. And why didn't you like the rapé ceremony? First of all, I didn't expect anything from her. And I just came for the company. It wasn't my request. I went with my wife and her friend for the company. We came there. The woman who led the ceremony was cool, well, they washed my eyes with this liquid that burns a lot. What else? Well, they took some powder, one, two, three, well, there, to choose from, yes, I chose, I don’t remember which one, and they blew sharply from a tube into your nose.
You’re just freaking out from this, you get this boom, like a blow inside your brain, like a slight concussion. You’re in such a daze, you don’t know, you want to, I don’t know, sneeze, and feel sick at once, and your eyes are watery, everything is stuffy, but you don’t want to live. Then it all goes away normally. And then we had this meditation for about two hours with gongs, well, we slept, well, that’s all.
You can probably do it once, but I don’t think that rapé is exactly the procedure that will change anything for the better in my life. I’m really sure that it’s not so.
Organizer:
This is exactly about the fact that everyone has their own plant teacher, maybe it didn’t suit you, maybe something else will suit you. So what does rapé do? Rape, you feel such a hard shot in the brain, but you need to completely come to terms with it. And it’s clear that you said that you just came for the company, you didn’t have this request, you, in fact, didn’t need to do this in principle. That is, it helps to get rid of unnecessary thoughts, to stay at the bottom with yourself, this window, somewhere 10-15 minutes, to understand, to solve the issues that bother you.
This is, in fact, a very cool, very cool tool. Sonanga, it works the same way, but at the level of eye vibrations, that is, you also need to go in with the intention, with the understanding of why you need it.
Pavlovich:
These are things like that in Peru. And as for safety, hasn't anyone who ate mushrooms there under supervision or on their own gone crazy?
Organizer:
There was no such thing, because everyone comes back from there, absolutely. At the moment, it seems that that's it, I've gone crazy, I won't come back anymore, that's it, I'll be a fool, even at the moment somewhere between dives, between days, a person thinks, damn, I'm fucked, internally, I have some kind of strange thoughts. This is normal, this is a reassembly. They remove the old personality so that a new one can take its place.
That is, everyone comes back from there.
Pavlovich:
You say after 4-6 hours?
Organizer:
It's different for everyone. I said the average, 4-6 hours. Some can after 10 hours, some can after 12.
Practices at retreats. People's condition after a retreat, contraindications.
Pavlovich:
What practices have you seen most often that are used at retreats, or do you use them yourself?
Organizer:
Practices as such? They are not used at retreats. There is something about meditation, something else there, the fifth, tenth. There is one practice. They are mainly used before the retreat. At the retreat there is one practice. You eat mushrooms and go into immersion to work with yourself. That is, this is the main thing. Yes, at the moment when the retreat takes place, there is a drum, there are bowls, there are incense, there are elements of the rapé ceremony.
That is, rapé is needed in the case when a person needs to immerse himself more deeply in other worlds, or, on the contrary, to pull him out of there, so that already there, let's say, 8 hours have passed, he is still there, blowing, and little by little he comes to his senses.
Pavlovich:
And how does it affect his physical condition?
Organizer:
After the retreat, a person feels renewed, as if he was given a new body. He literally walks in a new way, a complete reboot. If a person there was into some kind of martial arts, he would grasp everything with a snap of his finger, the body would be generally flexible, it would position itself differently in space, the body would simply be renewed.
Pavlovich:
And what about contraindications? For example, who shouldn't do it?
Organizer:
It shouldn't be done in terms of health for people who, for example, have some kind of schizophrenia in their family, or some kind of severe psychological illness, some kind of severe bipolar disorder, or something else. I don't take such people, because that too, that's already fraught. It shouldn't be done for people who see it only as a magic pill, after which nothing needs to be done, everything will happen by itself. Seekers of truth.
Because, as you said, the action is important. A magical arrival only if you received a task there, in other worlds, and started doing it. That's when, yes, that's when miracles happen.
The benefits of mushroom retreats for people.
Pavlovich:
Let's say this way, how many people have retreats helped, right? It doesn't matter what kind of yug, mushroom, or any other, vipassana, silence, etc. Well, for how many people is it just, I don’t know, a tribute to fashion, like, went with a friend for company, something like that?
Organizer:
In general, if a person comes to a retreat on their own, it means their time has come. Why does a person go on a retreat? Sometimes even a person doesn’t understand why. He is looking for, let’s say, one thing, let’s say, like me, to earn money, but he ends up with a change in his state so that he can be happy in the moment here now. That is, the key thing that all retreats lead to in principle is to come to a state here now and be happy. This is not some kind of dystopia.
Yes, there will be some difficulties, yes, there will be situations, yes, something will need to be overcome, but even in these moments remain happy with gratitude for what is happening. Such people don’t come to me, I’ll tell you honestly. That’s why I can’t answer this question. Such people simply don’t come to me. I probably cut them off right away. People who come to me are really looking, looking first of all for understanding for themselves.
Because all the answers, everyone knows everything. There is so much information on the Internet. Take it and do it. That's real. But why don't they do it? Because they don't understand it on a deep level. And why do they understand it on a retreat? Because they experience it all so harshly there, on the level of sensations of the body, Soul, and so on, and they experience those scenarios where they would continue to follow their past patterns, where it would lead them, and they show what will happen if you trust us and do what you want.
By the way, from the realm of darkness, NZT had side effects, what about a person, well, there are harsh side effects, right? As for mushrooms, there is one side effect - you need to do it. If you don't do it, the Universe will give you such slaps over and over again that at a certain point you won't be able to stand it. After completing a retreat, you should definitely become the main player in your destiny. That is, when you are in your destiny, there is no competition.
You do your job so well that you have clients. You can’t sit back in the crowd anymore. That is, this is such a side effect, but it is welcomed, because people don’t understand it any other way.
Interesting stories from people.
Pavlovich:
What are the most interesting stories that have happened to people that you have heard during retreats, or rather after them?
Organizer:
Listen, well, it’s an interesting story, I can tell you about mine. It was in Bali, and...
Pavlovich:
Was that the first time?
Organizer:
No, that was when I had already started conducting retreats, somewhere around the retreat, probably the sixth or whatever, I don’t remember. And at a certain point my sister calls me, like, yeah, Aunt Valya’s number, it’s my mother’s friend. And it turns out that my mother is in a dying state. That’s it, all my thoughts are lost, I’m scared, I’m worried.
Pavlovich:
Well, are you on mushrooms or not?
Organizer:
No-no-no, I’m talking specifically about the situation that happened. That is, it is not under the influence of mushrooms, I am already conducting retreats myself. I come across such news, I am generally trying to understand what it is connected with, what it is. Because I adhere to the fact that any situation in life that has happened, either favorable or unfavorable, it is a hint to you, a hint to whether you are moving in the right direction or not.
And at that moment I began to think what I was doing wrong. In short, I shed a bunch of tears, and the next day I have to conduct a fly agaric retreat for people. I think, how can I go in such a state, how can I go, my mommy is there in an immortal state, what should I do, well, how am I? And then I understand that ... whatever mom wanted, I did. Either I lay here on the couch, cried, or I went to do my own destiny. As a result, I got up in the morning, went to the retreat.
When people had already immersed themselves, we had three people immersing themselves at the fly agaric retreat, at a certain point Vladislav stood up like this, stood up like this at the moment of immersion, when it was already about three hours, and called out names, and called out the names of all the women's mothers of my team, who were directly conducting the retreat. He didn't know these names, he called out all the names, called out my mother, everything was fine, they were healthy. And then he lay back down.
I was like, okay, well, the moment of immersion, that is, anything can happen. And 2 minutes later I got a text message from my brother. Artyom, everything was fine, my mother had regained consciousness. That's it, and I just had this current running through my body, and only then did I understand, Rock, that regardless of the situation that happens in life, you need to pursue your purpose. And what if, let's say, I hadn't gone to the retreat? That is, you build the cause and effect relationship right away.
And I believe in it very much. And I realized that this was a lesson that, regardless of the situation, you need to move towards your destiny.
Pavlovich:
Well, and with people, okay, that is, they still told you something somewhere after that?
Organizer:
In immersions, you get rid of programs. Programs are also called entities. Egor Kamensky is such a good person, he went through a retreat, and after 13 days a girl writes to him, so that you understand, in immersion she showed him why he had all this bile inside, the mode of achievement, something else in a bad sense, that there was walking on heads, the ego was fed, that there was a certain sexual act with a girl.
And at the moment of this act, a program flew in. And this is how it actually happens, when you need to be very selective with whom you make love, because there is a window opens when you exchange certain programs, that's when the moment of excitement. And it seemed to him that he was cleansed of all this. Everything was cleansed, everything is great, everything is great. And 13 days after the retreat, this girl, with whom they had not spoken, 13 years old, writes to him, hi, how are you? Maybe we'll see each other? Such coincidences.
Or he's also a guy, there was a situation when he came out of the immersion. There is a moment when you are tested by money, when, for example, you decide to do what you were shown in the immersion, yes, at some point you sag in money and they are watching, will you continue to do your purpose. I had this. Here. This lasted for 2 months for me, thank God, I got through it.
And he did the same. He lies like this on the beach and thinks, "Lord, my God, give me some sign, give me some person that everything will be okay, please." And he didn't even have any money then. He went to the toilet through the restaurant, and this guy catches him like that. "Listen, do you want to eat?" "No, thanks." And like, he really insisted. He fed him and said, "Well, I don't have any money, I won't be able to thank you later. Everything's fine, I'll give it to you from God.
He just disappeared before the speech, that's it, and that person left after some time. That is, there are a lot of such situations, a colossal number. And sometimes you stop even being surprised by this, but we have what we have, and it's very interesting.
Fly agaric retreats. Reincarnations.
Pavlovich:
And you also mentioned fly agaric retreats. I thought they were conducted purely on psilocybin mushrooms, and fly agaric ones are more like microdosing.
Organizer:
Microdosing with fly agaric is a really cool thing. It evens out the state, gets rid of bad habits, it helps a lot with this.
Pavlovich:
For some people it's also a sleeping pill... Fly agarics aren't the only ones used, I've filmed the guy several times. Fly agarics, hedgehog mushrooms, and then, what else, cardiceps. Here are three of these main mushrooms.
Organizer:
Yes, they microdose with them. They microdose with them, you can microdose with them. You can't microdose with psilocybins, because when you microdose with psilocybins, you hang between two worlds, and you, in short, can get lost over time. Then the line can be erased, and you will take the wrong action, the focus is lost, so you can't microdose with them.
You can with fly agaric, but in no case throw in a large amount, because fly agaric is the king of mushrooms. Right during the immersion, they showed me that there is a fly agaric, around it there are these psilocybins, mushrooms, and they seem to work together in tandem. In what sense? Like psilocybin serves fly agaric. I had two psilocybin retreats, after which I went on a fly agaric retreat. And on fly agaric... You went to someone, you mean? To a shaman, you know. That is, I had this calling. And during the immersion, it seemed to me that everything that had happened before, even the same psilocybin retreats, it was just preparation for becoming a different person.
That is, I was not having nightmares on fly agarics there. Fly agarics really make people have nightmares. They turn them all inside out there. That is, is it a completely different physical experience or what? There, yes, you don’t control yourself there. That is, during the fly agaric immersion, you don’t control yourself. That is, if you decide to go through the fly agaric immersion alone, no right away.
That is, people tie you up there, I tie you up, they wrap you in carpets somewhere, and so on, so that a person doesn’t harm himself. It showed me that these psilocybin retreats cleansed me very well, and it was on the fly agaric that they gave me such power. When I came out of the dive, I was in a state, if you compare what is the most such, what to compare with, well, let's say there is an orgasm, yes, when you are like this, the most powerful, and there this state is 10 thousand times better than an orgasm, and it lasted 24 hours.
And this was also a certain test. I will explain why. That is, I could live this state, go for a massage or with a girl in some kind of, if in this state to have sex, it would have been generally, probably, some kind of furor. And I decided for myself, so, I will dedicate this day to gifts for my loved ones. I ordered a bouquet for my mother, gave gifts to my nephews, in my team, there, I gave myself clothes, bought natural ones.
And at the end of the day, when I go to bed like this, I just have a voice, well done, you passed the test, you did everything right. That's it. And this is exactly the moment about the fact that first you need to give, and everything will come to you. That's it. That's why I'm focused on people's results, that is, for a person to get a result, that's the most important thing for me.
If a person gets a result, even if he forgot about me, I see it somewhere on social networks or something else, I see that everything is great for him, I understand, damn, everything is great.
Pavlovich:
No, but then maybe also earn word of mouth.
Organizer:
Yes, yes, quite, that is, perhaps, after this podcast, yes, people will become interested and somehow change their opinion about mushrooms, that they are drugs, yes, like I once did. Because drugs are what cause addiction and what works with demonic ones. Alcohol, there, coke, all sorts of salt, all sorts of crap. And mushrooms are psychedelics.
They help a person, they reveal his spirit, they introduce him to himself, they rid him of all bad habits and show him what he needs to do in this reality.
Pavlovich:
Well, fly agaric, as I understand it, is still better. Like, very carefully, right?
Organizer:
Fly agaric very carefully.
Pavlovich:
That is, if even after these two experiences you already found something very scary. That is, does a person need it at all, a fly agaric retreat?
Organizer:
You know, it happens that a person...
Pavlovich:
And to whom? Are these some kind of already flown away?
Organizer:
It happens that a person needs only one retreat, let's say, psilocybin. It happens that he feels that he needs... Why do people go, let's say, to several retreats? Because a retreat is a kind of school of life, as far as mushrooms are concerned. The first retreat, roughly speaking, cleanses you, you are born, there are some introductory tasks, you complete them. You complete them, and you feel exactly on the rise, you feel that so, something is needed right here, you feel this call, independence, there is no dependence.
You feel that you have done everything that you were told in the immersions, and you have this feeling. You come in, you are given a task, and you complete it again. And there are moments when a person comes, like me, I need a fly agaric retreat, this call, it cannot be explained. And here everything is strictly individual, just like that, how many But I think that it all depends on that,
Speaker?:
How.
Organizer:
People on the planet, all souls are different, absolutely different. We don’t even think about the fact that when a person is born, a soul settles in him. Someone says that immediately, when he was conceived, someone says that at the moment of birth. But the fact is that the soul is there. Well, what do you think? I think that at the moment of conception.
Pavlovich:
Well, I also think, well, maybe not immediately, but in an hour, a day, when at least something has already been formed.
Organizer:
And this soul, it came here for a certain experience. It is not known how many times, because I often caught it and lived to see it? Well, several times in my life. A little. This is an indicator that you have already been here, you have already been born, that is, you have already reincarnated. This is called a certain wheel of samsara. When a person is born, there is a soul, and he is branded. "You are such and such, such and such, your last name is such and such."
We didn’t even choose our names ourselves. Here. I don’t remember how I was born. There are photographs, yes. Well, we need to look for the root cause. What is the root cause? There is a soul. Why did I reincarnate here? I’m sure your wife often asks herself such questions, because I looked at your Instagram page, she is quite advanced in this regard. The key is to understand why my soul is here. I always tell myself in the morning.
I open my eyes - I woke up. I need to wake up again. That is, I remember that I am a soul that put on this body, like I put on this shirt today, my soul wears this body. I need to be in focus in order to go through this reincarnation and stop reincarnating, stop reincarnating in this circle of samsara. Perhaps, we need to explain in general what this circle of samsara is.
This is when a person reincarnates over and over again, that is, a person has different situations. Maybe in different incarnations. Why does this happen? Because he can't learn some lesson that needs to be learned. It's the same as in life. A person has more or less different situations, but the meaning is the same. And time after time he can't get out of this loop. And here, too, the most important thing is to understand the meaning, why you are here, doing earthly things, keep in mind that you are a soul that is going through an experience.
It's easier to live with the understanding that there is no death. By the way, there is no death as such, as everyone thinks. Death is not an exit, there is only a transition from one reality to another. I'll even give you an example. Let's say you had a dream where you were sure that, damn, this is not a dream, this is reality.
Pavlovich:
Well, there have been, yes.
Organizer:
Here.
Pavlovich:
And in the same way, when a person dies... Well, when you cry, for example, in a dream, it happens, there, you dream that some beloved relative dies, let's say. Well, if you physically cry, yes, already, well, you wake up, there, wet, or in the morning the pillow is wet, you understand that it was real, if you already burst into tears. Yes. Even in a dream.
Organizer:
Yes. And I have been analyzing this moment lately, when a person, for example, in different ways, yes, there, pre-death. And so, if a person in such a state either dies, he will not even understand that he has died, he will be thrown somewhere just like in immersion, maybe there will be some communication with someone, something else, and there they will decide either reincarnation again, or another order. Another order is a place where you can finally rest.
Because here we are souls that are imprisoned, in essence, firstly, in our own body, and secondly, in the world around us. This is also a certain prison. And a different order, there you can relax. But there we will relax, have fun, and then go play this game. Rick and Murphy... Rick, what is the name of this cartoon? "Rick and Morty" something like that. Yes, "Rick and Morty", there is an episode where they put this thing on your head, and it is as if you are in some real game.
And there you think that you are really in reality. That is, there you lived a life-life, there you lived to see your grandfather, died, this, you wake up with this thing, they take it off, 15 minutes have passed, how do you like the game? Me, what are you talking about, I lived there for 80 years. Here, too, it is probably the same. Why do I say that? Because the goal of any game, for example, which is being invented now, there, GTA, no matter which one, is to be as realistic as possible.
Helmets are created, gloves are created, but where is any guarantee that we are not in a game now, and that everything is so real now with our technology that we are simply, let's say, sitting somewhere in helmets and just playing this game.
"Awakened" people. Past lives.
Pavlovich:
Well, and if we have already started talking about reincarnation, which can be believed in, can we not, right? Well, there is generally an opinion that figuratively awakened superpeople there, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishnamurti, Mahavira and others, Kabir and so on and so forth, they, Lalla, there was a woman too, have simply already reached the maximum level in their possible development in the wheel of sensara and are no longer born in a human body, because they have already reached the maximum level and have gone through everything.
Who you are in this life, or rather, what you do, we have basically figured out, more or less. And who were you in past lives, if we fantasize, or maybe the mushrooms told you, and who will you be in future lives?
Organizer:
Well, what should I fantasize about? I saw all this during immersions. They showed me several. I was a woman who lived her whole life in marriage, washed dishes, did such housework. I was a military leader. This is one of the last incarnations. I was a poor man who died in poverty, in hard poverty. These are the three main incarnations. And they showed me, you know, at the fly agaric retreat they showed me a huge planet where I conduct retreats, awakening people, and this was either a parallel reality, or it was the future.
I haven’t figured this out yet.
Pavlovich:
Maybe these are just fantasies and a latent desire?
Organizer:
No, I don’t think so. I am more inclined to believe that it really either was, or it is going on in parallel. It is, you know, at the level of sensations that cannot be conveyed. I am 100% sure of this.
Fantasy and reality.
Pavlovich:
And how much reality is there about your purpose, some questions that you ask yourself and get answers under the influence of mushrooms, how much does it differ from fantasy, fiction, fantasy in general? How can you understand which thought is real, which is completely fantastic, false that came to you?
Organizer:
Well, this is based on experience. You need to go through this somewhere, I don’t know, probably, to do it yourself. In principle, I don’t go through retreats on my own, not even I. That is, I am under the supervision of someone, and if some thought comes, you analyze it, that is, whose thought it is. That is, the thought can be dictated by the ego. That is, false, or true. Yes, yes, yes, it can be dictated by the ego, or it can really be what you need. That is, you analyze precisely the feelings of your soul And with understanding, is this really the case.
Is it guided by goodness and love? Is it interpreted by this? Or it comes from some specific desires of yours, not yours, but your ego, greed. So this is not the first time you say "love"? "Love" in what? Absolute love and kindness.
Pavlovich:
Yes, love and kindness. So, did Mirilo mean this specifically?
Organizer:
I am an ambassador of love and kindness. I am moving towards this, I am broadcasting. The only thing that has saved me all my life is my kind heart. This is not bragging, really, at some point it was... I didn't like it at all, because I hated it, because people take advantage of it. I was a loser. Until a certain point. I was often a loser. When people take advantage of your kindness, but I eradicated this somewhere around the age of, probably, 24, in order to immediately and strictly define my boundaries.
That is, honor the good, do not pity the evil.
Pavlovich:
My kindness is still being used, or rather, until last year. Now, no one is using it anymore, they have been using it for 41 years, that's all.
Organizer:
But you shouldn't stop being kind to those people who... No, well, to those who deserve it, and I just...
Pavlovich:
It seems to me that I was overly kind to everyone who needs help, to a friend, a stranger, who cares.
Organizer:
Well, that's also very important, that also accompanies it, goes along with faith. That is, roughly speaking, you have lost faith in a person, yes, and, accordingly, as usually happens, you lose faith in people.
Pavlovich:
No, knowledge, I just received knowledge that you don't need to be the same and kind to everyone. 100%. There are, of course, those to whom you should be kind, I don't know, family members, some close ones, even former lovers, it doesn't matter, your children, other people's, any children, for example, it seems to me, deserve a kind attitude, but there is simply an understanding that you don't need to give money to everyone, 95% of the time they simply won't return it to you. It doesn't go against kindness, it just goes with gaining some kind of intelligence and knowledge, yes, that is, past experience is superimposed, that you don't need to give money away, because they won't return it.
If a person really needs it, well, you can help him without any debts. And if he already lends, yes, well, that means he doesn't know how to handle money in life, he is a financial loser, and in principle today you lend to him, tomorrow someone else, but this will not improve his life situation.
Or maybe they'll just postpone its collapse. And I, for example, well, for me it concerns simply lending money, well, to everyone who needs help. Since last year I stopped doing this, I gave money to my subscribers many times, even to some someone in a bar somewhere. Well, within the range of, there, 2-3 thousand dollars. But for some reason not a single one gave me, not a single one, yes. Although, well, you know, if a guy asked for coke or a whore figuratively, or, I don't know, for a new computer, I would, well, I wouldn't give it, naturally.
But if a person asks for something vital, and this included, for example, medical operations, and then this included, there, getting away from the war, there, mobilization, well, naturally, and in such cases, well, I can't refuse, it doesn't matter who, I see the second time, the third, the first, well, and for me it simply served as a lesson.
Well, let's assume that I haven't become more callous, yes, let's just assume that I've become a little smarter by the age of 41, somehow not regrettably, and I wish that you could discern the truth at 20, and not like I did at 41.
Organizer:
But in reality, when you pay off debts, you give away your energy, and somewhere in some place you decide to give yourself luck. If I lend money? Yes, that is, in principle, it is better not to lend money at all. This is exactly what they told me at the retreat. Do you want, do you want to give your luck to someone? Do you want to give away your luck? He says, no, no. And why do you lend money to people? Why do you lend money to people?
Truths.
Pavlovich:
Okay, what else of those voiced, if you can voice them to us? I have a friend there, a companion, a partner, well, a person who is quite close to me, he says that you can’t, for example, talk about what you’re doing, about your plans, until you’ve done it, because people can steal your idea, they can envy you. It seemed to me up to a certain point to be nonsense, well, honestly, but then I had all sorts of serious matters, not with work anymore, but with finances, well, huge incomes from somewhere
in crypto, that is, I noticed when I start sharing this, telling, that everything ends badly.
Organizer:
One hundred percent, because only a few people can sincerely be happy for you. When you tell this, first of all, you spend your energy on the realization in the metaphysical, so that it really happens, and you give this energy to the people who listen. They can smile like this and say, yeah, cool, really great themselves. And, damn, why is everything so bad in my life? That's it, they take it away. That is, the best option is either not to tell anyone anything at all, or call your mom, there, tell your spouse what will happen, and this will only increase in the fact that it really comes true.
That is, the closest one? Yes. What else? It is very important, very important to be grateful. Just woke up, opened your eyes, and you begin to thank for the fact that you woke up. The word of the universe? You are alive. Well, not at all. Basically, you woke up. Every day, about one and a half thousand people don't wake up. They just don't wake up. Great. I thought there were a lot more.
Maybe more. I probably heard such statistics in G5. There you go. And imagine, you woke up. You still have a chance to live, to play this game. You're healthy. You have a sense of smell. You have arms and legs. And you start to accelerate like this.
Pavlovich:
"Give me your arms and legs" today I read about Nick Voychich. Do you know who he is? Write "Nick Voychich" in the comments or google it.
Organizer:
This is a real elephant, this is a really serious person. Even in his example, a person is grateful, he is grateful for this life. Because of this gratitude, there are two types of people. A person wakes up, takes his phone, throws it down and starts thinking why everything is so bad, everything is so shitty in life. Is the Universe looking at him, damn, my friend, you have your arms and legs intact, you have parents, you have friends, you have a place to live, you have food.
You don’t know what bad is. Here, take this, you’ll find out now. And when you wake up and give thanks, even when you don’t want to, everyone thinks, damn, handsome. So you’re warding off some future trouble, perhaps? You know, I wouldn’t say it’s trouble, it’s lessons, lessons in being grateful. Without gratitude, a person won’t be happy, without gratitude, a person will always have little. Without gratitude, a person will be envious.
And how do you give thanks, and over time, you’ll learn to thank so sincerely that you’ll feel such warmth in your chest with the understanding that, let’s say, you have your wife who will support you, who will cook you a delicious meal, something else, together you understand each other. That is, even just one big moment, this warmth, when you feel this, and when you also feel from gratitude that you just want to cry, the universe will prepare such good treats for you.
It is very important to be grateful, absolutely. I mean, I am grateful to you for agreeing to this podcast, I am grateful to this studio. I am also grateful to the person who made this chair. Your attitude to God.
God.
Organizer:
Remember, I was telling you that at the first retreat, before the first retreat, on the first day, I crossed myself, everyone laughed. Well, I would have laughed too, to be honest. Yes. And during the immersion, they showed me that there are no religions. I mean, there are religions, but what people interpret is simply a game, a game of manipulation.
There is only God, and He is alone. God is in you and in everything, everything that surrounds you. As such, God is the One Who created all of this. I will even say this, during the immersion, they showed me how all of this was created. It was at the fly agaric retreat. There was a moment when I was lying in the portal where all this was happening, and everything started to gather so quickly-quickly-quickly and gathers very much as if at the speed of light to a point, to a small black point.
And it is not clear, it is either emptiness or infinity. I understand that I am a point, it will be created. I think so, I am a point. In general, I feel good, then sad, then sad. And because I am bored, I begin to invent a world.
And first some vibrations begin, then sounds, then nature, then some macaques and then again me, who is lying in the portal and undergoing a fly agaric retreat. It is very difficult to define what God is. For me, God is in everything, absolutely, in this microphone. By the way, what you said about animate and inanimate objects at the beginning of our conversation, in fact, even in this carpet, everything you look at, there is something divine, some specific grain, somewhere more, somewhere less.
Attitude to the commandments and karma.
Commandments and karma.
Organizer:
These are hints. That is, in any religion there are hints where you can get certain knowledge that will help you become successful and happy in this life.
Pavlovich:
I just don’t understand one thing. The commandments, in my opinion, are subjective, it’s just that if you do this, you’ll get it back. And karma hits me hard enough and quickly enough. I would say, quite quickly. If I do something bad, I naturally suffer from it, since my conscience is not completely lost. Perhaps, I even think about it, and perhaps with these thoughts I attract the opposite. But this happens to me, if I did something bad to someone, 3-5 days very quickly I get some kind of lesson even worse than what I did.
And despite the fact that I don’t believe in God and so on, when I was sitting, I formulated for myself some, let’s call them, laws of the Universe, in the existence of which I became convinced over my 40 years, by that time there were 33. And plus or minus, these commandments, which are commandments here, well, I don’t agree with all of them, some “do not make an idol”, something else, “do not acknowledge God”, except for one of your own.
I don’t agree at all, this is some kind of outdated data, something outdated. But they work, probably, in my case. And in this regard, I can’t understand why they don’t work in relation to all sorts of complete freaks, dictators, murderers, sadists who destroy entire countries and so on? Do you have any understanding, if you suddenly agree with this point of view on karma, why it works in relation to some, but does not work at all in relation to others? My wife says so.
Well, that means they have their own lessons. Why? So why do I have these lessons, and why do they have different ones?
Organizer:
Because souls are individual, because each soul lives its own experience. Be glad that in 3-5 days your karma will fly. These people who do crazy things, karma will fly for their entire mouth. Do you understand? The fact that everything is fine with them now, everything is great - it's just a picture. People are used to looking at life in a segment, let's say, roughly speaking, 85 years - it's just such a period.
But there are reincarnations, there are next lives, there are past lives. Now he is doing crazy things, in the next life he will be some kind of cripple. In the next life, the Last Judgment awaits him.
Pavlovich:
But this is if we take into account that all of us, including the audience, believe in the next life.
Organizer:
Well, I saw it, you see, I know it, I felt it all. I am 150% sure of it. And then, when someone doesn't believe, at a certain moment, when we all leave this dimension, "Damn, Artem said so, damn, there was an answer." Therefore, those people who do crazy things, they will all answer for their actions, absolutely. Those people who immediately receive a response for their karma, this karma flies in.
The Universe loves such people very much. And each soul simply has certain lessons. For example, you once said up to 3-6 days, so you understand everything, you turn on. But here a person has a life, and during his life nothing flies in. He is given the opportunity to understand himself during this life that he is doing crazy things, but he does not understand it. And this will be for his family, his relatives in the future reincarnation, that is, he will suffer.
Good. Everything that happens is for the best? Yes. Explain. There are situations when some event happened, let's say, some kind of grief for you, you are upset. Let's say, let's take an elementary example, let's say I had my first love, she left me, yes, she cheated on me. I was grieving for two months about it. I was grieving for two months, that's it, the world is lost, and so on.
After a certain time, when I started a new relationship, after a year I realized that I simply learned how to interact with girls correctly thanks to this situation. And so it is possible... For example, or, for example, the situation with my mother, when she was in a dying state, I was very upset, cried and so on. I understand, okay. If this happened, if even this happens, it means that her lessons here are simply over, her soul will be freed from this dimension and will go somewhere else.
My mother is a wonderful, bright person at heart. I love her very much. Mommy, I love you. That's it. And I understand that everything will be fine with her. What did she want most of all? She wanted me to be happy. And, accordingly, I will be happy and will remember her. By the way, you know, this also reminded me that people go to funerals.
To the cemetery, remember their relatives and friends. Yes, they commemorate. This is generally not allowed. Radunitsa has a special holiday. There is so much to pick up there. Especially when a person drinks alcohol. Alcohol is work with the demonic. That is, when a person drinks alcohol, he undergoes a certain adjustment to the demonic. And his good and kind thoughts are replaced by all sorts of bad ones.
So, in such states, when a person drinks too much, he does something, yes, God forbid, something happens to us, then he sobers up and thinks, damn, why did I do that, it wasn’t me. Well, yes, it wasn’t you, the entity took control and did it. You can’t do that at all at a funeral. I understand that I also picked up a lot from there, they showed me this in immersion too.
The attitude of loved ones to spiritual activity. Fear of death.
Pavlovich:
How do loved ones perceive your activity?
Organizer:
Initially, I encountered specific hate.
Pavlovich:
They say that a drug addict is unfortunate.
Organizer:
In the beginning it was exactly like that. Yes, in the beginning it was exactly like that. Condemnation, misunderstanding, and so on. That is, it was probably the most serious of my trials.
Organizer:
But... How long did it last? About six months. But, as they say, and before my faith it will be given, and before my faith it has already been given to me. That's it. I just believed that I was doing everything right and acting based on what I was shown during the immersion. What do we have now? We now have interviews with the participants who went through the retreat, yes, that is, there are the first, second, third, fourth days, that is, this one, how they changed. All these interviews are on my open Telegram channel, anyone interested can watch them.
That is, there are more than 80 interviews, and there are different people. Simple guys, millionaires of dollars.
Pavlovich:
No, well, I don’t think there are any simple ones, based on the costs of all this. You said yourself that you spent almost 10 thousand dollars right away on Bali.
Organizer:
My retreat costs 5 thousand dollars. Is it here in Thailand? Here in Thailand, yes. There must be some kind of financial cushion. From this financial cushion. That is, for me, this is not a lot of money. That is, at the moment when I was ready to go, yes, it was just tight, but I understood that it would all pay off. It’s like, roughly speaking, an investment.
Pavlovich:
I probably didn’t understand, but I had more hope.
Organizer:
There was an inner understanding. Just understanding, just some kind of knowledge. I didn’t even hope, you can’t call it that you hope. This is from the realm of the magic pill. I really understood and believed that this is where I needed to go. What I’m talking about is very difficult to convey. It is very difficult to convey what a person experiences during immersion. Only a person who is there can understand it. I also even thought about it, analyzed why a retreat is needed, from what point of view.
Sooner or later we will all die. In essence, we have a demo version of death, every day is 100% sleep. That is, for example, a person sleeps for 8 hours, if he does not dream, that's how it all happens, bang, woke up, bang, woke up. During immersion, you will have the opportunity to understand what will happen there when you die, although it will be exactly the same there. Some deities, someone will tell you what you did badly, what was not bad, that is, whether you are worthy of reincarnation in a better reincarnation, whether you are worthy of choosing at all.
And they showed me there that those who have gone through retreats, there, when a person leaves this dimension, he will be met there by all the same people who met him during immersion, and they will say, "Oh, this is our brother." That is, you have completed a retreat, you have a certain protection. No evil eye, no curse, fifth, tenth, they do not work. You are freed from everything. You are already everything, it does not work.
Because you believe in what you have believed. And why do people buy into all this? Because they hear something, a little fear runs inside, and that's it, the program has flown in. Oh, the fear of death, absolutely everyone has it, absolutely everyone. Probably, it is instinctive, right, simple? Yes, yes. And ... All living beings. I noticed that some have more, some less. For some more, it means that in general there is, perhaps, some kind of ancestral theme in the past, let's say, reincarnation, something happened there, it was really strongly fixed.
Some lesson was not understood from the last reincarnation, you were killed there, and in this reincarnation you must remember. The past reincarnation and this not to do in this.
Visions in people. The goal of awakening 1 million people.
Pavlovich:
Do all people have visuals under mushrooms?
Organizer:
No, not everyone. Visuals happen to about 30-40 percent. Why does this happen? Because mushrooms work with each person individually. The soul is individual, and everyone has their own experience. Some understand through visuals, some understand through sensations, some understand through dialogue. That is, mushrooms do everything so filigree that it is real magic. You think, well, these are just mushrooms, how does it all work, how is it possible?
This is how nature created it.
Pavlovich:
Well, how do you want it, do you plan, let's say, to awaken figuratively or to lead a million people through a retreat, if you yourself say that up to this point you have led 250 people there?
Organizer:
Here is also such an interesting point that it seems like some kind of fantasy. How to do it?
Pavlovich:
No, well, only I see it simply through the media only figuratively, well, social media. But it is not that you will not conduct a remote retreat there figuratively. You can simply... Well, the seed of interest in this can probably be planted through social media at most. Because, well, physically, yes, even if you take into account... Well, only maybe if it's a retreat, figuratively, at a stadium, where there are 30 thousand people at a time.
Organizer:
Well, or okay, 15.
Pavlovich:
So with a million, it seems to me, it's so, it's not achievable from the region yet. And either it's possible, there is one way, after all, it's when you teach 100 students, let's say, and already 100 students, well, it's clear that not directly you, but you have contributed to this in some way.
Organizer:
Well, for all this time I've only had one student, Gleb, hello. That is, it's a very responsible thing, actually. That is, imagine, in addition to the fact that a person must be responsible, must be initiated in other worlds, he must have a seed of goodness and love, that in my circle there are only such people. I do not accept others with whom I do not interact, that is, those who come from some kind of evil. Many factors must come together to become a student.
First, first, to be shown that you are really a shaman there at the retreat, and then you must prove it. And there the obstacles are generally not simple, that is, if you think that it is simple, no, it is very difficult. There somewhere in the immersions, why should a shaman be initiated in other worlds at all, because when work is going on there, there, in other worlds, they see that, like, the person who immersed it was a person who is involved in this. Aha, this is Artem, everything is cool, everything is great, VVS, so we are working. What did you say, VVS?
VVS, that is what I call myself, a shaman who instills faith. Accordingly, you can work, everything is good, everything is wonderful, everything is under control. And this is such a metaphysical connection. When a person is not initiated into other worlds, as I have already said, all sorts of different situations happen on retreats.
Pseudo-shamans. How not to fall into the hands of charlatans.
Pavlovich:
And how many of all the shamans, okay, take ayahuasca and the like, I don’t know, some mescaline, Mexican stuff, your psilocybin and the like, how many of them, in your opinion, are not shamans by design? It’s just that a lot of stories are surfacing now, there are those same shamans in Peru, there is that ayahuasca, there they rip off half of these women who arrived in an incomprehensible state, there is all sorts of sexual abuse and the like.
How many of them are real shamans, how many are not, in your opinion?
Organizer:
Listen, well, I can only name those people who are. In any case, of course, the majority, they are not pseudo-shamans. They just saw a business model in this. In addition to the fact that they saw a business model, based on what you said, they pursue their demonic interests because of them. They will be held very accountable. Of those real mastodons who are now conducting retreats, yes, there, for example, I...
Well, not only mushroom ones, I mean, any type, well, except for yoga, psycho-all these. According to whose method I do all this, this is Pavel Dmitriev, he is generally the founder of all these mushroom retreats, an elephant, a hippopotamus, a legimote, he, in short, he is a very serious person, a very man, influential in this regard and a real man. Also based on that, you look at what a person is like, whether you want to be like that, whether you want to share his interests, you make a decision whether to go there or not.
Or in Ecuador there is Victor Alekseev, also a pretty serious program, I also went through it there, and he is also a wonderful healer, a 100% healer. That is, even if you talk to a person, you understand how he is, what he breathes, what he is pursuing.
Take any person who, for example, works with some plant-teachers, after talking to him, I will immediately understand whether the person is initiated in other worlds or not.
Pavlovich:
Well, how can you avoid falling into the hands of charlatans? Well, okay, let's say you have two more guys, you named us, yes, for example, on rowing, but here it is more all sorts of marketing that works there. Most people will not come across this video, let's say, but they will come across, I don't know, an advertisement on Instagram, there, and I am in Peru, let's say, or in Ecuador, or somewhere else.
As an uninitiated person who has not even watched this video, yes, but not to fall into the hands of a charlatan, because the situation can become even worse.
Organizer:
That's what I said, all the answers are inside. When you watch any content at all, let's say, let's take a specific person advertising a retreat, get to know what the person does, what he did, get to know his results and look at his interviews, look at his live broadcasts and look into the person's eyes and feel whether it resonates with you or not.
And look at his lifestyle, if a person is engaged in some nonsense, it is probably not worth going there, because what meanings will they put into you. It is very important that when a person goes to a retreat, he either wants to become the same person as a shaman, that is, I am essentially an ordinary guy, I earn money, do sports, intellectually, mentally, spiritually develop, harmoniously.
That is, I do not have such a thing that everything is pure here. That is, I am all-encompassing. And I give the same to people. And how are my retreats different in general, I do not connect people to my Gregor at all. I connect them to my Gregor so that they are the main player in their life. Because on the pseudocybite and on the fly agaric you can suggest to a person that there he will be for you, well, a very strong suggestion can be made. They
directly showed me during the immersions that they are very severely punished for this. And in principle, I am generally happy that when a person plays in this game, his role as the main player is fulfilling his purpose.
Because I am sure, I fully adhere to the fact that each soul, each soul has its own purpose, having realized which, through its purpose it can give benefit to its experience to other people and from this simply be in material prosperity.
Who should take the retreat.
Pavlovich:
Who is suitable for participation in the retreat? Who is better off abstaining?
Organizer:
Participation in the retreat is suitable for those people who fully take personal responsibility, understand that, having completed the retreat, you will not be able to lie on the couch. Everything, of course, will not happen. You will need to take actions that these tasks gave you in immersion, and just do, do, just do and watch how magically some events happen in your reality, situations are attracted, people are attracted, money, clients are attracted.
The key thing that is also given in immersion is faith. Faith. What people have lost now. Because when a person loses faith, that is, he begins to think with the herd instinct, and in order to come to his senses, you need to be alone for some time, just be alone with yourself, that is, pull yourself out of this collective.
That, in fact, is what a retreat gives.
Pavlovich:
Well, plus people with mental problems in themselves or in their closest relatives.
Mushrooms and psychotherapy.
Pavlovich:
Why mushrooms, and not psychotherapy?
Organizer:
When a person goes to a psychotherapist, he gets better for a while. That is, at the moment when he visits a psychiatrist. Why does this happen? Because the psychiatrist does not choose the root cause. Even if he tries to do so, he will not succeed. Firstly, because the patient will not be completely honest with the psychiatrist, and he will not be able to go into this psychological trauma, which is deep-deep in the subconscious, he simply will not be able to pull it out.
At the moment when you can become easier, a person who visits a psychiatrist, then everything, there will be a rollback. And it is during immersions that you deeply immerse yourself in your subconscious, look for this root cause and simply remove it. It is removed, that's it, you are a different person. That is, you remove it yourself? Independently, yes. You are guided. Plus, hypnotherapy is done during the retreat.
This is when they also help a person to understand the immersion with some situation, remove the root. Or situations that affected a person, change it for the better, in order to benefit from it. Therefore, psychotherapy can only help for a while. Yes, it may become easier for a year, and then back to square one. But a retreat helps to remove this condition that bothers a person.
And a retreat will teach how to overcome this condition on your own. Not even overcome, but accept it, work with it. And no psychiatrist will be needed.
Mentally ill. Using mushrooms.
Pavlovich:
Today I read about one startup. They made, in fact, such an Uber for those who have various psychological and mental problems, they made an application, and, it turns out, this fresh figure, officially 920 million people, are experiencing some kind of mental problems, difficulties. That is, in fact, if you take into account 8-200 billion, then well, every eighth plus or minus, let's say every ninth. A really serious figure.
But the app... My wife, for example, uses veterinary apps. When you're driving, the cat feels bad, the doctor on duty connects, chats, videos, and then tells you that the prescription is upist. But this is a little more professional. And in this app, that I'm talking about 920 million mental problems, you don't communicate with a professional psychiatrist or psychologist, although you can get to him too, but you communicate with a person who is already an ordinary person, maybe a person next to you, who went through this problem, someone struggled with addictions, someone else something.
An hour of such communication in the app, in my opinion, costs 40-70 dollars. And the startup itself, Aprilka itself, that's what surprised me, by the way, they take a lot for themselves, they take 60% of this money, essentially just bringing some together, well, like Uber, yes. Another coincidence here is that it turns out to be a gigantic market, that is, almost a billion people.
Here. And it is clear that ours will not go there for 40 dollars, but the Western ones, maybe, where they have an hour with a psychotherapist costs psychologists, there, I don’t know, a thousand dollars, yes, and there are also those, some have 50 thousand, I think, an hour costs, then they will quite possibly go. But the number is gigantic, almost a billion people, some problems with the head.
And I, to be honest, there, at one point in my life I also thought that, probably, plus or minus a little, and a little more pressure, and I will also go crazy.
Organizer:
You know what I think? In fact, absolutely everyone here has problems with the head, who lives on Earth. That is, we are souls that need to resolve this moment in ourselves. That is, some states, some internal dissonances from situations that repeat themselves over and over again. That is, we are all sick here on this planet, we are just being treated. When we are cured, then we will move on to a different order.
Pavlovich:
Why do you use mushrooms and not ayahuasca or other plants?
Organizer:
I did my first retreat on mushrooms. In fact, each person has their own plant at the teacher. But it so happened that I somehow immediately came across my plant at the teacher's. These are mushrooms. That is, I went there, I was initiated into shamans, and I began to work directly with mushrooms. I did ayahuasca, there it was confirmed to me that I need to work with mushrooms, I need to be in TAI right now and do all this in TAI.
This is my plant-teacher, thanks to which I awaken people and reveal to them the true self that they have been looking for for so long.
Preparation for retreats. Post-retreat work.
Pavlovich:
About preparation. You said that in your case it was, well, essentially a diet, yes, some kind of long one, there, almost a month. But in general?
Organizer:
In general, the most important thing, what I advise participants before the retreat, the most important thing is to monitor your condition. Just relax and enjoy life before the retreat. Imagine what will happen during the retreat, you go as if to a resort, to a resort for your soul. Just even if some negative situations happen in your life, yes, which you will give this negative color, there someone cuts you off, wish him luck, thank God, come on, buddy, so that everything is good for you.
During the retreat, it is very important to maintain this state, this is the most fundamental. Then, of course, comes nutrition, a diet on nutrition and hypnotherapy. That is, hypnotherapy, it helps a person prepare for the retreat.
That is, when a person is immersed, in addition to looking for what psychological traumas are already in the person, this is somewhere around 3-5% of what happens at the moment of immersion. That is, a person immerses himself in his own subconscious and sees some of the root causes that he has, they are removed, but they are removed right down to the root, like cutting off a weed. And at the retreat, all these psychological traumas are already uprooted along with the root. But he should go to a psychotherapist somewhere in his city or what, or how? Hypnotherapy... I have my hypnotherapists.
Pavlovich:
Ah, that is, he should already be here, right?
Organizer:
In my team. No, all this needs to be done remotely, yes. That is, my hypnotherapists... And what a huge plus, when hypnotherapy sessions are done remotely, yes, preparing a person, when a person is already on retreat, and these guys are on my team, and when he hears a familiar voice during immersion, which explained to him during hypnotherapy what and how, yes, uprooted these psychological traumas, he already feels much easier and calmer.
Pavlovich:
Have you tried regressive hypnosis? My wife keeps telling me, go to regressive hypnosis, I feel a little creeped out. Regressive hypnosis is immersion... Well, before your birth, as I understand it.
Organizer:
Ah, regression. I went through regression, yes. But there, you see, you need to believe in it. You must have a request, that is, a request, and even if there is no such request, then at least there must be interest. That's because it won't work... No, I don't give a shit. What, yes, no need.
Pavlovich:
They just say there that you remember how you were born, that is, everything that was there.
Organizer:
I'll tell you this, you go to this aggressive hypnosis, you see something and you will think that I made it all up myself. That is, you yourself must have an interest. And this forgetting, yes, in a previous life, this is also a certain test, when you forgot everything, and will you be able to act in the same way, based on what you did. Because, as you said, more or less the lessons are the same, and you need to learn these lessons.
Pavlovich:
After the retreat, is there some kind of recovery or did you wake up in the morning, like after all sorts of other things, and that's it, and ok?
Organizer:
After the retreat, the most important thing is to try to be alone for about 4-7 days. Where you want. For example, there was a retreat in Thailand, that's it, be with yourself, enjoy it. And at this moment, when immediately after the retreat a lot of insights come, a huge amount. If you, especially, do not immediately go back, say, somewhere, but are here, you simply have a huge number of new ideas.
You are liberated, the process of purification, both physical and mental, is launched. It is important to understand that after the retreat, nothing ends. After the retreat, everything is just beginning. In any case, after the retreat, there will be certain states. You will experience them, but you will experience them with the knowledge of the tools you received during the retreat.
That is, you will cope with them yourself, learn. That's it. And the most important thing is a state of peace and tranquility in solitude. Four to seven days.
Pavlovich:
And repetition? You say there were two times on psilocybin, once on fly agaric. How many? Three times, that makes it. Is it necessary at all? Or is everything enough for some people the first time?
Organizer:
In fact, everything here is strictly individual. That is, each person has their own path. For someone, one retreat may be enough. Why do people go to the second? When people go through the first retreat, they are given an assignment. They do them and feel the call again, the mushroom call, which is necessary. They feel that it is necessary.
Pavlovich:
The mushroom call.
Organizer:
Yes, they go through them again, get some tasks, they cleanse themselves, there is more of a cleansing, not a nightmare, so to speak, more of a light one, they get new tasks and just go further in their development. They scale up, earn more money, become healthier, strengthen their faith, and so on.
Bad habits.
Pavlovich:
Do retreats help with bad habits?
Organizer:
Yes. Because even hypnosis helps some people. Hypnosis, yes, hypnotherapy helps. As for retreats, it completely frees all of these bad habits, if a person is confident, of course, from everything, from alcohol, from some kind of anarctic addictions, or from smoking. That is, a person is shown in immersions what will happen to you if you continue. And when he comes to his senses, to this reality, after the immersion, he's done, he has a red flag for it.
The most memorable case.
Pavlovich:
And what was the most memorable case that happened to you at retreats?
Organizer:
Listen, at the retreat, this is exactly the situation with my mother. I still went to conduct the retreat when she was in a near-death state, went through it, and when the person stood up at the moment of immersion, named the names of all the mothers who conducted the retreat, and said that they would be healthy. And two minutes later I received a message that everything was fine with my mother. This is probably the most memorable for me. Did you have your phone in your pocket or what? Well, I conduct a retreat, yes, my phone is always with me.
And I thought you put it away, turn it off, etc. No, it's always with me. Why? At that moment it was in my pocket. Usually I take it, for example, just there on the table or somewhere else, but that one was in my pocket again for the same reason. Because I expected them to say, like with my mother. Everything is good, or everything is downright deplorable.
A person's readiness for a retreat.
Pavlovich:
And the last question for today. How do I know that I'm ready for a retreat? Well, to be honest, I don't want to yet. For now.
Organizer:
This desire is either there or not. That's when a person even hears about all this, about the fact that you can find yourself by diving deep into the chamber of your subconscious, soul.
Pavlovich:
I think many are afraid, including me, of what I might see there.
Organizer:
Exactly. And you need to understand who is afraid. Well, me, who. Well, the greatest rewards are hidden behind fears. That is, it can be a certain mechanism that does not allow you to go there, although that is where the huge results are hidden. That is, if a person wants to live in the moment here and now, to remain happy, because this is a hackneyed phrase "to remain happy here and now", everyone knows this, everyone understands everything, but no one lives like that.
As soon as some time passes there, in a second you start to worry. There is not enough money, there are problems at work, here something else. But the point is that regardless of what happens, stay happy. Of course, this consists of many reasons. Find your purpose, which is what mushrooms give. Start acting, stop ossifying, mushrooms also give. Start developing in the media, based on your activities, mushrooms also give. Mushrooms also
give you physical health. Mushrooms. Understand how the world works, mushrooms also give. But it is important to understand that the more you know, the less you know. This is such a very fine line in general, in principle, in everything. But the main thing is this inner call. You just feel what you need, and you can’t explain it. You can’t live the old way anymore and you don’t want to. Well, you don’t know how to live in a new way.
That’s exactly what mushrooms give.
Results.
Pavlovich:
Well, that’s where we’ll finish. And you write, have you tried any of these substances, yes, and what did it give you? Or is it all nonsense, and we just made it up? Here’s your opinion, based on personal experience. That is, I haven’t tried it, I can’t reason from the height of my experience. I can only listen to Artem, read something on the Internet, google it, read forums, well, you know which ones, but they’re not retreats, but other reports.
And what do you think about the topic of mushrooms in general, about retreats in general? What retreats have you attended, did they help you, and what did you get out of them? Bye.
What is a mushroom retreat, how is it conducted? How does it help to understand yourself and find your future path? How much does it cost? Is it dangerous? What states does a person go through? This and much more in this topic.
Enjoy reading.
Contents:
- Introduction
- Mushroom Retreats. Popularity.
- Earth vibrations. The meaning of life.
- Awakening of people
- Experience of using mushrooms. Mushroom retreat.
- The probability of going crazy. Fatal outcomes.
- People's complexes
- Cost of the retreat. Signs.
- People on retreats
- Mushroom Safety. Events during the retreat.
- Practices on retreats. The state of people after the retreat, contraindications.
- Benefits of Mushroom Retreats for People
- Interesting stories of people
- Fly agaric retreats. Reincarnations.
- "Awakened" people. Past lives.
- Fantasy and reality
- Truths
- God
- Commandments and Karma
- The attitude of loved ones to spiritual activity. Fear of death.
- Visions of people. The goal of awakening 1 million people.
- Pseudo-shamans. How not to fall into the hands of charlatans.
- Who should attend the retreat?
- Mushrooms and psychotherapy
- Mentally ill. Use of mushrooms.
- Preparation for retreats. Post-retreat work.
- Bad habits
- The most memorable case
- A person's readiness for a retreat
- Results
Introduction.
Pavlovich:
Friends, hello, glad to see you. And today we are talking about mushrooms. I know very little about mushrooms, actually, and neither do you. And without popularizing it, we will figure out why mushroom retreats have become popular lately, who conducts them. I haven’t tried it, to be honest, yet, well, I don’t want to yet anyway. We’ll see later. And for whom, for what do they help, or is it all quackery.
That’s why our guest now is Artem Tolovyakov, he conducts retreats here, in Thailand. He admitted that he can conduct retreats anywhere where mushrooms grow, but now we will talk specifically about Thailand.
Mushroom retreats. Popularity.
Pavlovich:
So, what are retreats in general, mushroom ones, right? What other types of retreats are there, because I only know yogic ones. What is it, for whom, for what and does it help?
Organizer:
Retreats are actually different. That is, if in a broad sense there are dark retreats, there are also retreats of silence. And I conduct precisely those retreats that are aimed at a person going deep into himself, again, thanks to plants and teachers, that's what I call mushrooms, immersed in himself, there is such an expression, all the answers are inside us. And each person, in fact, knows what to do, but inside something hinders him, certain barriers.
Mushrooms remove these barriers, because a person clearly understands where he needs to go.
Why are they becoming popular?
Organizer:
Several reasons. First, because people finally begin to think with their own heads that the actions they perform are not their actions. These are imposed patterns that come from the very childhood of their parents, the information they received, everything that was put into them. We are, in fact, biorobots. When they look for answers, and if a person looks, he always finds. Bam! Let's say he is trying to go on a retreat. He looks at a person, looks at me, I appeal to him, and he, accordingly, thinks, maybe there is an answer there.
And, accordingly, these are certain signs of the Universe. And there is a second option - the topic of esotericism in general, in principle, it has now become popularized, based on the fact that the vibrations of the Earth are rising, and people are catching completely different states - apathy, loss of meaning. This is a hint to the fact that, finally, my friend, stop following someone else's path, find your own.
And in order to find your own, you need to go a colossal way. And mushrooms, just like that, this is exactly the retreat, it helps a person gain an understanding of where he needs to go, get rid of everything alien, what was stuffed into his head throughout his life, and be happy. And being happy is the key.
Vibrations of the Earth. The meaning of life.
Pavlovich:
Look, two things at once. The first is that I'm not sure that the vibrations of the Earth are rising. My wife says so too. But, for example, the surge of interest in all sorts of terrorists, hermans and the like. Yes, since the beginning of the war in Russia it has increased three-five-tenfold, because the state of the economy and human politics in general is very unstable, many have relatives there at war on both sides, yes, and people want to at least a little bit bring knowledge of the future closer, that is, to reveal why they go to all sorts of fortune tellers and the like.
That is, I'm not sure that their vibrations of the Earth are rising. The second thing that confuses me is that most people don't even think about it. I approached the zone, well, it's clear that the zone may not be the most relevant place, but still, society has a certain means, social stratification is also present there.
And I probably personally asked a hundred people what the meaning of life is. And 80 percent of them almost rush to fight. You ask some kind of nonsense. And in fact, about why you are here, what is the meaning of life of humanity as a whole and yours personally, I think that on the planet, probably, maybe, 10 percent have thought about it. The rest have an existence, whether free or in the zone, well, something like that, stole-drank in prison, as they say.
That is, work, some kind of home, And what do you have? Work, children, snotty houses, crying and so on, and so on, and most people have it like that. Therefore, I think that about some high matters and at least about their personal purpose, probably a maximum, I think, of 10 percent of people on Earth at all times thought.
Organizer:
Regarding the vibrations of the Earth, even these situations in the world that are happening, this just says that such circumstances are developing, that people are starting to think, yes, that is, if we look at why, we see the root cause that you said, because situations in life are starting to happen. I am saying, you know how, I am saying based on what I saw during immersions. Immersion is what happens during a retreat, yes, what is commonly called a trip, but I don’t like it because it is such a useless word.
Especially a bad trip. A bad trip is wonderful, it is good, it is liberation. Right? Yes, it is great. And what I see there, in essence, I am broadcasting here, that is, as the original source, I am not saying that all this is true, but based on the actions that I do, I confirm it. And here again about the vibrations of the Earth. It's just that circumstances are so tough, they develop, yes, let's take the same war that is happening, and all this again so that people start thinking.
Before, there was 1%, then 5%, now 10%. And so we are all moving towards absolute Love and Goodness reigning. Now we have a chance, we have a chance to win this rink in terms of defeating evil. I'm not sure at all. I'm sure.
Pavlovich:
Judging by, I don't know, 10 years ago, I probably had a more optimistic view of life and the world in general, just like you do now. Now I have confidence, and it's giving way to disappointment with each passing month.
Organizer:
And what took this faith away?
Pavlovich:
Well, what's happening, yes. What shouldn't be happening, but you face it every day. Even more, probably, the younger generation, I thought, well, you know, by evolution, that is, they should be smarter than us, kinder, somehow better adapted to life. But during the war I saw what they were saying in general, how they supported all this. And it seemed to me that in our post-Soviet countries, at least, something would start changing for the better when the people in power would be much, well, even younger than me, who hadn't lived under the Soviet Union, who were not infected with this slave gene, and with the Soviet Union in general.
I expected it to be like this, but I saw that they are the same as us, like our parents. That is, all this took away my faith in a better future for humanity.
Organizer:
Well, you see, if a person loses faith, then he contributes to what ultimately contributed to his losing faith. Faith should never be lost. Even this situation happens….
Pavlovich:
But faith in what?
Organizer:
Faith in absolute love, that there will be good, that everything will be fine, everything will be wonderful, that each person will proceed from the fact that he will not think first of all about his own ass and step on heads, but think that based on the purpose that he does, to give benefit, and based on this, he will have everything.
Awakening of people.
Organizer:
Why am I so sure of this, because I saw all this in immersion. I'm not saying that it will be 100% like this, but if they told me, you, Artem, will act as you act, awaken people, that is, they gave me a specific goal to awaken a million people, what I mean by awakening. When a person cleanses himself of all the shit that is inside him, because of which he commits bad deeds, greed, this is what prevents him from living, thinks about the future, although he needs to live here now, thinks about the past, it irritates him.
But we don't live here at all in the moment. A person can, for example, record a podcast and think about some problems that will come later, and I'm sitting here now, I'm really enjoying the fact that I once watched you in 2020 on the couch, eating chips, not understanding what to do. I thought, wow, this is Sergey, this is his path. All the same, despite the fact that he spent 10 years in places not so remote, and now he launched such a colossus on YouTube and talks about it.
And to some extent even you influenced me in this regard, because I remember then, and now even when we talk, I remember, why can't I do it? It means I can do it. That's it. You just need to act.
Experience with mushrooms. Mushroom retreat.
Pavlovich:
And many of you will succeed, so go ahead and do it, yes, like Nike. Just do it. Good. At what age did you first try mushrooms and what mushrooms are you talking about?
Organizer:
Now I'm 32, I tried them when I was 29. Before that, I had the following attitude towards mushrooms. They are mind-altering drugs, you can't do that, because in my entire life I've only tried alcohol once. It was when I was in sixth grade, so the guys and I got ready. That's really early. Yes. I tried alcohol, tried cigarettes and couldn't understand what the point was.
That is, I somehow very early began to realize that this is harmful, that it will simply confuse me in the future. There is some kind of grain of kindness in me that has guided me throughout my life. By the age of 29, when I had more or less leveled my life, I had a certain income, about a million rubles a month. But what is that from?
Pavlovich:
This is normal, many would say, now a million rubles.
Organizer:
Yes, yes, and there was a moment when before these earnings, let's say, two years ago, I thought that if I earn a million, that's it, I will be happy. This time has come, I earn a million, and there is no smell of happiness at all. I think about how can I earn five? How can I earn five million? Arsen Ashotovich Markaryan also had a very strong influence on my life. From him I heard about this wonderful tool that helps to find your own purpose, or, if you are already in your own purpose, to confirm that you are in it.
Because many people, when, for example, they are even doing their purpose, they have certain doubts. Is it the right thing to do? Maybe I need to do music? Maybe there is a certain obstacle here, I don’t need to go there? And when you understand that this is your purpose, you perceive obstacles as non-obstacles. It’s just a barrier that needs to be jumped over, after which there will be great rewards.
When I heard about this, as soon as he started talking about it, I immediately understood, I remember a feeling in my chest - “I need to go there”. This is the mushroom call, it’s about how to understand that you are being called. That is, people who are watching now, if something responds directly inside them, but this is it, you can’t explain it, I just need to go there. I went to my first retreat in Bali, I went to Bali, it was in Bali, that’s how I got involved.
What kind of mushrooms were they? They were psilocybin mushrooms, I don’t remember the variety, but it radically changed my life.
Pavlovich:
Well, okay, you heard that there would be some kind of retreat, here and there, legs in hands, got to Bali, and what happened? Describe what you saw at that moment. What did you expect to see, what did you see?
Organizer:
Well, first of all, my whole life, in fact, led me to this moment. The most important thing is what they showed me on the first day. So what is a retreat? It is 4 days of immersion. On average, a person is kept for 4-6 hours, yes, you definitely need to go through 4 days. I came with the goal of simply increasing my income from 1 million rubles to 5 million rubles, and that's it, I don't need anything else.
Pavlovich:
So you wanted the mushrooms to reveal to you how to do this. Yes. You had a specific request, that is, you were not looking for eternal life or happiness there. You thought that the mushrooms would help you discover some ways to earn more, right?
Organizer:
I'll say more, yes. I thought that happiness was, well, I thought that happiness was in wealth. The more money I had, then I would be happy. And I went with this request. Looking ahead, I will say that in principle, you can’t go to mushrooms with a request, with expectations at all. Because there is a certain spirit in mushrooms that you enter. And if you are really pumping for something there, you can get it in the neck there.
Well, in a certain sense, you can catch a Bad Trip, and until you get it in the neck there, you won’t get it in the neck there.
Pavlovich:
In short, I understood with earthly requests in my business youth. Well, figuratively, in some kind of business club.
Organizer:
There they show, no questions, what needs to be done to get rich. But first you need to clean yourself up in a timely manner. That is, here you work with the state, that is, money comes to the state. In general, I go to my first day of the retreat, I remember how before the ceremony, when I took a crumb of mushrooms, crossed myself, everyone smiled, I think they were smiling? I am Orthodox.
That's it, I go directly into the immersion, and everyone has different feelings, I tell about mine.
Pavlovich:
Was the host Russian or a foreigner?
Organizer:
Russian. Where did you find it? On Instagram, as always? No, it was very specific, I knew where to go, because Arsen Ashotovich Markarian, where he went, that's where I, based on his information, went. That is, I clearly understood where I was going, I understood that I was in good hands. This is now the system by which I work, Pavlo Dmitrievo, so I had no concerns. I knew what I was doing, where I was going. I dive, spaceships, like pictures, and then at a certain moment I am thrown into space, and so, when I stood on the street, I saw that there, there are many such deities.
I'm standing there, and I have this inner apathy. They say, well, Artyom, are you going to be a shaman? I say, wait, what shaman? I'm laughing so hard, like, what kind of shaman am I? I just need to understand how to make 5 million rubles out of a million rubles. That's it, I don't need more. No-no-no, you don't understand anything at all. You'll either be a shaman, or you'll be unhappy, or you'll be happy.
Or the fact that you're running for some reason now, you'll get there, but you won't be happy.
Pavlovich:
Who told you that?
Organizer:
That's the deity there, which you directly meet during immersion. Someone can meet a deity, someone can meet different kinds of creatures, entities. That is, you determine it there based on how you experience yourself when you interact with them. That is, you can immediately determine whether it's good or bad, at least that's how it is for me. I leave after the first day, I'm in a panic, I'm thinking, what kind of shaman am I, what nonsense, I just want to increase my income.
I didn't tell anyone on the first day that I was a shaman, I go in on the second day, and there they already communicate with me more lightly, they say, well, look, let us show you. The same creatures. Yes, the same ones. Continuation, series. And they say, look, let us show you two options. Now if you continue to do what you do, yes, here are your guarantors in the PUBG Mobile game, or you will, I'm still wondering how they know this. Or you will decide and trust us, and you will become a shaman. They showed there, you earn so much, you sell an account that you have not been able to sell for so long, I had it hanging for two years, an account for the game PUBG Mobile, I bought it, it cost a million rubles in total, a very good deal. They showed the development when I become a shaman, that is, if I become a shaman, a certain action will happen, but they showed it in the near future, they did not throw it far. That is, also, also a certain one, they had a check, that is, if they show right away that you are so wonderful, that is, you are going there foolishly, and here they showed you, that is, you will sell an account that you have not been able to sell for 2 years, you will meet a person with whom you have wanted to meet for so long and get to know each other in person. That's it, I come out like this on the second day and thought about it for a very, very, very long time, right up until the fourth day. Besides that, besides that, during all the dives there is a cleansing, a cleansing as if you are physically cleansed of all sorts of crap.
And this is what awaits you. When they showed me if I continue to do what I do, yes, I will have 5 million rubles, 10 million rubles, but I will chase, chase, chase this money, and I will not feel the moment here now at all. I will die alone, I will walk over heads, there will also be a certain kind of greed, aggression and simply a depressing scenario there. And they showed what will happen if I become a shaman. Before the retreat, I do not advise doing this, but I did, I was on stocks for 21 days, fasted. Forgave, like. Yes, that is, it is individual for everyone, it may not suit someone, but I approached the retreat very clean. There they cleanse themselves in different ways, that is, the mushrooms analyze the body, see what is wrong and pull it out either with vomiting or with sweat, you experience emotions, cry, remember different situations, get rid of all these psychological traumas, truly, when you have already gotten rid of everything, you feel this absolute love. This is an indicator that you are more or less clean. The first retreat is always a cleansing, a cleansing of everything that slows you down. The third day they also showed me what awaits me, they Cleansed. This was also an interesting moment. At the retreat, they first disconnected me from the "Matrix". That is, everything as they showed in our wonderful trilogy about the "Matrix". At a certain moment, I find myself in space, lying under water, opening my eyes. And this is not a dream, but this is not a dream, this is just real reality. I open my eyes and cannot understand, I am under water, why am I not panicking and breathing? And so, when I start to feel myself, start to touch myself, look at the wires, start to unhook them, this capsule opens. And only at the moment when I suddenly stand up from the water like this, sit on my ass, and I suddenly find myself in the space where I am going through the retreat. I open my eyes, and everything is just in these green pixels, like in the matrix. And people are walking, those who directly conducted the retreat, they are all green, they are all pixelated, all green, here, here, a natural matrix. I feel that there is something inside me, something inside me lives right in my stomach. Different from me. They blow rapé on me, a rapé ceremony, and I begin to cleanse myself. And at the moment when I am vomiting, I see how this octopus in the bucket is squeaking in different ways. You were normally held there. Here, and this is this metaphysical purification, when you see. Then I realized that with this octopus all this greed, bile, envy of people that I basically have came out. That is, everything is explained there, everything is integrated, the same thing that I do on retreats. On the third day I felt such absolute love for everything, and on the fourth day I was completely collected. The first, second day usually take a person apart, because in order to, let's say, collect something, you need to take it apart.
Also, let's say, I always compare this, a man came to me with a Zaporozhets made of Lego to assemble... But he needed to assemble a Lamborghini. The Lego constructor can be disassembled and assembled into a Lamborghini. And after the fourth day I finally decided, well, that means I need to. I'll try, at least I'll try, I'll believe. That's it. And from that moment when I understood, I started my activity at such moments, I started learning this. And now I'm happy.
I look at my life. Sometimes I fall asleep, sometimes I start to feel sad, or worry about something else. Let's say, today before filming I was really, really worried. At such moments I imagine that I'm an observer, why am I worried. I worry, and this worry throws on the ego. We will never get rid of the ego. And when you look in the observer's crochet, why are you worried?
What is it? Everything is good, everything is wonderful. Everything happens as it happens. And in the moment when you observe, you calm down. The retreat is a second birth for me. And this is how all the participants who have gone through it describe it. It is truly a second birth, an understanding of where I need to go.
Pavlovich:
Does the dosage increase, or specifically the mushrooms every day?
Organizer:
Yes, the dosage increases gradually every day. That is, the first day is more or less introductory, but still. What is most interesting is that on the first day people are usually carried away the deepest, that is, at least the dosage is smaller.
Pavlovich:
There is no habit yet, no addiction.
Organizer:
There is no addiction to mushrooms in general, in principle. There, on the contrary, every day you think about how not to go to the next one. God, I hope it will all end. Of course. Because you meet your fears there. And it is scary. You meet your fears, situations. So, for example, why a retreat, and not psychologists, or something else? Because when a person comes to a psychologist, He still hides something. A person, truly honestly, can only be himself. And when a person dives into mushrooms, they all, in general, bins, so turn over everything that you hide, all your situations in life in general.
You have to completely reassemble them so that your state changes. You meet your fears, look for the root cause, eliminate it. And the person, in fact, does all this himself. I am just like a guide. If suddenly some situation, a person asks me, and I tell him how to act in a given situation.
In fact, a person does everything himself. This is communication between himself and himself. Who was the last time he simply secluded himself and sat like this without phones, without gadgets and analyzed for at least three hours whether he was doing everything right? No one stays with himself.
Pavlovich:
Well, I was sitting in the zone, meditating at night and by myself. Here. A mosquito lands on my hand, I feel it, here on my shoulder, there, for about 16 minutes, there, 25, well, about that. You think, well, bitch, you'll get drunk.
Organizer:
You had a long retreat, 10 years, I think. But it also gave you a lot. This is even unbelievable to me.
The likelihood of going crazy. Fatal outcomes. Is there a chance of going crazy? You were afraid that... Well, there are all sorts of things, like LSD and stuff, right? Raise it a little, a little, you're afraid that if you go a little deeper, you might not die out. One hundred percent, I suppose, that the most correct way, no matter if it's chemistry or not, is when you go in the company of some knowledgeable people, because alone there is a real risk of even jumping out the window. And in general, the risk is not imaginary, but real, yes, or killing yourself. Because some unexpected experiments just come to your mind, which you don’t think about in sober life. You go into, I don’t know, a room, Yes. There’s some wire lying on the floor. You think, maybe he’ll hang himself? Well, just like that. Then you think, well, what nonsense. Is there something like that under mushrooms? Organizer: I’ll start with the fact that... Pavlovich: And what does it depend on? Organizer: I’ll start with the fact that you said correctly that in no case should you go through this experience alone. And don’t ask a friend who is not in the context at all, what can happen only to conscious people. Because there are such cases, even to the point of death. That at my retreats, all the people go crazy. But what do I mean by this here? You can’t come to your true self without going crazy. Because, look, we have a mind. What happens when we dive into other worlds, that’s what I call it? The boundary of reason is erased, and you go to where the mind cannot understand. And to begin to understand, you need to go crazy, and you should not be afraid of this. This is the barrier that you need to cross, trust. Trust the mushrooms, trust the space, trust the guide. I also conduct a detailed integration about this there, so that when a person gets into this situation, he decides. He decides, at the moment it seems to him that he has gone crazy - bam! And then they begin to teach him. Either they begin to teach, or the situation is reproduced that needs to be lived through, and the person is literally freed. You can’t wake up, don’t make him crazy.
Pavlovich:
I would have been a bit scared, I think, at some points. Everyone is scared, absolutely everyone is scared. I was scared, I remember my first rhythm, I understand how many mistakes I made there in the sense that it was possible to live it all deeper, but I was afraid. And when my guys go through it now, that is, I explain everything to them with confidence, what and how, why, why this happens, why it seems to you in immersion that you are really going to die now, because the old personality dies so that a new one can appear in its place, the old attitudes die.
Let's say, the attitudes were implanted in your head since childhood, let's say, you're jumping around the hospital, and your mother looked at you like a slut. "Come on, sit still, can't you see there are people standing here." And from that moment on, you stopped showing up. You're afraid to talk on camera, although you want to, you really want to tell, no matter what, just to show up, just to develop in the media sphere.
There, if you've forgotten this situation, and this often happens, our memory amnesias us so that it doesn't hurt us too much, we remember, aha, right here, that's it, you live through it, this situation, you remove it, and just on this type, on which I conduct here in Thailand, in Phuket, this type allows people, they come out, and they want to develop directly in the media. They really have this desire, they start filming reels, recording videos, they are not afraid to talk on camera, it doesn’t matter how, the important thing is to just start acting. How many people are inactive? The overwhelming majority.
People’s complexes.
Pavlovich:
And we post-Soviet people probably have all sorts of complexes and attitudes, yes, I think, a lot and more. That is, I’m 100% sure, you can correct me, but I think that compared to, I don’t know, Western people, I don’t know, the Dutch, the English, the same Americans, I think we have 2-3 times more of all sorts of lack of freedom and narrow-mindedness than they do.
Organizer:
100%. Even just analyze yourself, just go to any restaurant, any one, how will you feel? You will behave unnaturally, not the way you behave at home. You will think that I’m standing wrong, that I’m not taking up space right at all. And if you still need to say something, you will think 10 times, and whether to say it or not, or to remain silent. This is all, really, it is so many complexes inside.
Pavlovich:
And if it is also in a foreign language? By the way, Russians, well, in general, everyone who is from the Soviet Union, we, in fact, speak a foreign language poorly, because we are embarrassed, firstly, they teach it terribly in our companies, secondly, we are embarrassed that we speak imperfectly and so on, and for this reason we simply do not speak. And we have no practice, and that's it, you see, it's like a vicious circle.
That's it, they teach us poorly, we speak poorly, we are embarrassed that we speak poorly, and we do not speak, we do not get practical skills, that's it. And this, too, it seems to me, is one of the complexes, among other things.
Organizer:
One hundred percent. That group of people there has complexes through the roof. And in order to remove these complexes, the retreat allows you to do this. So that you understand, I am an ordinary boy from Tyumen. I am a street kid who grew up in a simple family, without a father, I have a lot of complexes in a female collective. Fortunately, I had my brother, who, so to speak, helped me in my development.
But for the most part, I took all of this from the street. I understood that I was a man, I had to be strong, confident, I had to take responsibility for my mother, because she worked very hard. I even had, well, very often I cried even because I couldn’t help my mother in any way now in terms of starting to earn a lot of money, to fire her from work, so that she would be at home, so that she would be healthy.
That was probably my main motivation. That was my main motivation. And therefore, wherever I climbed, in what topics I was not, I am not a saint, all sorts of things happened. And I want to reach out to everyone, that it doesn’t matter what nonsense you did in your life, what matters is what kind of person you want to become. That’s the key. If you want to become good, in my understanding, it means broadcasting kindness and love. And you won't be happy any other way, you'll still be thrown out onto that path where you need to be like that in all sorts of different situations.
You won't understand, you'll just be slapped out of this life, and that's it, and another dimension.
Pavlovich:
You also need to understand and take steps in this direction.
Organizer:
One hundred percent to act. That faith without action is dead. One hundred percent to act, it's all very interconnected. And as for manifestation, I was generally very embarrassed by all of this, I was even embarrassed when I was riding the bus. I was generally a terribly insecure child, but I constantly wanted, I tried, I went into fear. And the retreat teaches that where it's scary, the greatest rewards are hidden behind fear.
For example, was I scared to go to the podcast today? I was scared as hell. I read these questions there, I also watched your interviews there. In my head, I was scared as hell. I twisted the dialogues, then sat down and realized, you just need to be yourself. Whatever happens, happens. People read all this, people need energy. If I want to benefit people, if I want to awaken a million souls, what I want to do, I have to be real.
This is who I am, this is who I am. Many people tell me, don't say that you are a simple guy, there and back. But I, the simple guy I was, I remain such a simple guy.
Cost of the retreat. Signs.
Pavlovich:
In terms of money, how much did this first retreat cost you? That is, you had to fly from Tyumen, let's say, to Bali at least? That's at least one and a half thousand dollars.
Organizer:
By that time I already had some accumulated funds. I had been saving them for two years. I was at a point when, well, Dori, I'll tell you somewhere, I was in terrible debt, in a real mess, and I got out of it again thanks to the knowledge of Arsen Ashotovich Markaryan. Markaryan, there is a monument to you here while you are alive. My development began with the knowledge of Arsen Ashotovich, and little by little I reached financial peace, so to speak.
As I said, I wanted to earn more. I came across a video where Arsen Ashilovich says that there is such a tool, I went, and it cost me money. The retreat itself cost about 5-7 thousand dollars, something like that. Not cheap. Yes. Plus tickets, right?
Pavlovich:
Plus tickets, plus tickets. In short, 8-9 thousand.
Organizer:
Something like that. Well, roughly speaking, like tens of rubles, to eat or not to eat.
Pavlovich:
Well, I thought it was much cheaper.
Organizer:
So, you see, you need to realize the value that a person receives. Now if we analyze it, well, it's even 100 thousand dollars, based on what I received and what the guys receive. I am now in my own destiny, I understand what I should do, and most importantly, I am in the moment here and now, and I am happy. Analyze the moments when suddenly something in my soul becomes sad, or begins to worry about something, that is, this is working with your own state.
That is, when you go to a psychologist, you feel better as long as you go to him. As soon as you stop going, you have a certain rollback. As for retreats, you learn to work with yourself. But it is very important to understand that a person must have developed personal responsibility. Mushrooms are not magic pills. A person who has completed a retreat, and that's it, and dangled his legs over his legs, and now everything will sort itself out - no, such people are immediately disqualified.
People, but mushrooms are NZT, we all remember, the area of darkness, then when a person has completed a retreat, personal responsibility is pumped up, what he was shown in immersion, what he needs to do, he does, and simply magically opportunities appear in your life. Let's say, how did I even get on the podcast with you, I really believe in signs, I believed before, and at the retreat, when I completed it, they also highlighted to me that everything is a sign, absolutely everything is a sign.
I was walking through the Phuket festival, through the shopping center, and I see you walking with Upruy. I'm like, I'll come up to you now, I think, no, okay, I won't bother you, we were talking there. And at some point Alexander, we got dressed here, says, listen, here's such an opportunity. I'm like, okay. That is, these are the highlights that tell you, here, take it, here is your opportunity. But many people do not notice opportunities at all.
Pavlovich:
Well, I only saw signs if they were, well, bad, you know. That is, when I analyze some bad situations, I understand that I saw at least 4-5 signs that week that are strongly connected with it.
Organizer:
These are also signs.
Pavlovich:
It's just that when something good happens, you don't notice that it's happening, but when something bad happens, you have time either in the hospital or in prison to understand, fuck, what the hell was that after all. And you start... Oh, but I was told about this, about this. Once in my life something like this happened, it was connected with an accident. There were like 5-6 signs connected with that car and with the accident later. Never happened before. But here they were so obvious that it was impossible not to notice them.
I don't know, the tire went flat for the first time. The next day, the customs officers didn't want to let the bribe through, they wanted something else. And there were about five such events.
Organizer:
You know, this is precisely because initially... Remember, you said that you lost faith in something good? And based on this, you see signs that warn you. And those signs that, on the contrary...
Pavlovich:
I lost faith recently, and that was a long time ago.
Organizer:
Those that benefit you, those are the signs, you don’t see them. That’s exactly what mushrooms do. Mushrooms, they return faith, they return the taste for life. That is, there are two options. That is, if a person comes at the initial stage, let’s say, he is just in his formation, he doesn’t have some kind of business or something else, they show him what to do, what to do, where to move, and he starts.
There are people who come, let’s say, dollar millionaires, And this is very important, because their eyes should sparkle.
Speaker?:
I. They should sparkle, because. Eyes. Our eyes — or people,
Organizer:
Who plunge their businesses directly into other worlds, they are shown how to scale, they are given this internal enthusiasm to do again. Remember the enthusiasm, when you were really burning with something, that's it, you are on. They give mushrooms this enthusiasm, and they remove this moment of disbelief, because faith is the most fundamental thing. Sergey, do not lose it under any circumstances, pull yourself out of this, this is very necessary, because your eyes must be burning.
Yours were burning.
People at retreats.
Pavlovich:
Let's talk about the social portrait. Here's who you saw at retreats, at the first one you went to yourself, that is, women, men, a portrait by demographics, of course, by social stratum. And who do you see now at your retreats? Where are all these people from and who are they?
Organizer:
When I first went to the retreat, we had a real male crowd. Plus or minus the same age. 25, 30, 18 years old. And it turned out so interestingly that two guys were from Tyumen. Now at the moment the age and range is somewhere plus or minus 5 years, i.e. 25, 30, 35, well, and guys come too.
That is, I associate myself as a simple guy, i.e. I do sports, I like to shoot some interesting videos closer to the youth, I communicate more with the youth like that. 30 from 20 to 35, that's the contingent basically.
Pavlovich:
By gender, by occupation?
Organizer:
Mostly men, but also women, somewhere around 20 percent, probably women. By occupation they are completely different. Someone wants to find themselves, someone still doesn't know at all what to do. Some people are into creativity, some are into marketing, some are into their own business, producing.
Pavlovich:
But the majority?
Organizer:
The majority are probably looking for themselves. They are looking to find themselves, to understand what to do. People have tried a lot of things, and they want to find their life's work. And in immersion, they tell you in plain text what to do.
Pavlovich:
Because it seems to me that it is quite simple even without immersion. You need to do what you are good at, yes, and what you like at the same time. Well, in my opinion, there are only two components. That's true. It turns out, that is, if you can do it, you have tried 20 activities, but you can do it, I don't know, write books or plane windows and doors, yes, that's it, it means you can do it, you have a talent for it. And the second point is that you also like it. And if this combination exists, well, probably, this is your occupation.
This is if you don't delve into mushrooms or esotericism or anything else.
Organizer:
But the question is, why then do many people, the majority of people, not do what they like? They work at a job that makes them sick, they do something that is not their business.
Pavlovich:
Why?
Organizer:
Because they are held by blocks, blocks of the program that was put into them. Their environment holds them, their surroundings hold them. And they hold this programming in the head, but mushrooms remove this programming, they completely defragment you, they clean you, and you come out renewed, you understand what you need to do.
Pavlovich:
Listen, I think that it is not only mushrooms that remove this, but also a bunch of other substances, just maybe to varying degrees and to varying degrees of harmfulness, by the way.
Organizer:
Mushrooms, what are they? They are plant enthogens, there is also ayahuasca, yes, there are mushrooms, there is the San Pedro cactus, there is, for example, LSD, which I do not welcome. Why do I not welcome it? Because LSD is synthetic and chemical. That is, as for Ayahuasca mushrooms, for example, the San Pedro cactus, this is nature, and when you go there, you are protected there by either mushrooms, or Ayahuasca, or the San Pedro cactus.
And in LSD, they can throw you there, that you... There can also be some pretty deplorable conditions there.
Mushroom safety. Events during the retreat.
Pavlovich:
That is, you believe that these things are natural, and they will be safer synthetically.
Organizer:
One hundred percent. One hundred percent. I was convinced there more than once, how many examples I have of people losing themselves there on LSD.
Pavlovich:
Okay, and what about safety? That is, I have a rough idea of what kind of mushrooms we are talking about. They are even sold on the potong, although it is illegal to sell them. Such small mushrooms, like small ones, just like honey mushrooms, yes, a small cap, such a long stem. They probably even grow in Belarus and in Russia, they are more or less the same all over the world. Well, do not pick them under any circumstances, because the article is in Russia, yes. Plus you can accidentally pick some death cap. By the way, it also looks like it and you are screwed. About the safety of mushrooms.
Where to get such mushrooms, how to distinguish them from poisonous, simply inedible mushrooms and how to safely do all this?
Organizer:
Let's start with the fact that there is no place to get them, where to pick them, right away. That is, to throw this thought out of your head in order to try something somewhere somehow yourself. This is very serious That is, people associate this with a second birth. It is strictly necessary under the supervision of knowledgeable people. And not just knowledgeable people, but people who are initiated in other worlds. That is, I was literally initiated into other worlds as a shaman.
Not because I decided. That is, when a person decides for himself and sees a business model in this, it does not work like that here. Something will happen to you during a retreat, you will have some situations, that is, the Universe will punish you over and over again, you are in the wrong place, get out of here. I have 250 plus people behind me, that is, I conducted retreat after retreat in my early days, that is, I had shalon after shalon of people, that is, group retreats. In no case should you climb in there yourself.
How long before you cover? Depending on what the diet was. If the person came really clean, then in 15-20 minutes. If so-so, then somewhere in 40 minutes, maybe in an hour. And it holds, you say, 4-6 hours? 4-6 hours, yes.
Pavlovich:
What do people experience at this time, besides communicating, well, theoretically, maybe not everyone, since you are there with some of your spirits, teachers, and those who give you hints.
Organizer:
Yes, at this time you essentially fly off to other worlds, there you either experience some kind of psychological trauma, face your fears, receive some information, at this time your business is here. And our task is to look after it. That is, in my opinion, from different situations. Someone, for example, starts to go somewhere, yes, we hold him. Calmly, calmly, everything is fine, everything is wonderful. That is, there is no control there.
That is, in the sense that a person can give up control. But what distinguishes a retreat on psilocybin from a fly agaric is that on psilocybin a person can still control himself in any state. He just has to trust. But all sorts of things can happen anyway. That is, our task is to ensure that this human spacesuit is safe. There can be different situations throughout the body. A person can tremble, there can be certain postkrasti.
Pavlovich:
And auyaski, I saw, makes everyone sick.
Organizer:
Nausea, that's for sure. That's how cleansing works too.
Pavlovich:
They blew some rapé into me once. It was like this powder was getting into my brain. By the way, I didn't like it. I wouldn't say that I discovered anything there. The meditation afterwards was cool, and before that they put these drops in my eyes,
Organizer:
They burn a lot, yes, and then the rapé.
Pavlovich:
Well, one woman. The woman is good here, right in Phuket, but I probably wouldn't repeat the procedure a second time. And why didn't you like the rapé ceremony? First of all, I didn't expect anything from her. And I just came for the company. It wasn't my request. I went with my wife and her friend for the company. We came there. The woman who led the ceremony was cool, well, they washed my eyes with this liquid that burns a lot. What else? Well, they took some powder, one, two, three, well, there, to choose from, yes, I chose, I don’t remember which one, and they blew sharply from a tube into your nose.
You’re just freaking out from this, you get this boom, like a blow inside your brain, like a slight concussion. You’re in such a daze, you don’t know, you want to, I don’t know, sneeze, and feel sick at once, and your eyes are watery, everything is stuffy, but you don’t want to live. Then it all goes away normally. And then we had this meditation for about two hours with gongs, well, we slept, well, that’s all.
You can probably do it once, but I don’t think that rapé is exactly the procedure that will change anything for the better in my life. I’m really sure that it’s not so.
Organizer:
This is exactly about the fact that everyone has their own plant teacher, maybe it didn’t suit you, maybe something else will suit you. So what does rapé do? Rape, you feel such a hard shot in the brain, but you need to completely come to terms with it. And it’s clear that you said that you just came for the company, you didn’t have this request, you, in fact, didn’t need to do this in principle. That is, it helps to get rid of unnecessary thoughts, to stay at the bottom with yourself, this window, somewhere 10-15 minutes, to understand, to solve the issues that bother you.
This is, in fact, a very cool, very cool tool. Sonanga, it works the same way, but at the level of eye vibrations, that is, you also need to go in with the intention, with the understanding of why you need it.
Pavlovich:
These are things like that in Peru. And as for safety, hasn't anyone who ate mushrooms there under supervision or on their own gone crazy?
Organizer:
There was no such thing, because everyone comes back from there, absolutely. At the moment, it seems that that's it, I've gone crazy, I won't come back anymore, that's it, I'll be a fool, even at the moment somewhere between dives, between days, a person thinks, damn, I'm fucked, internally, I have some kind of strange thoughts. This is normal, this is a reassembly. They remove the old personality so that a new one can take its place.
That is, everyone comes back from there.
Pavlovich:
You say after 4-6 hours?
Organizer:
It's different for everyone. I said the average, 4-6 hours. Some can after 10 hours, some can after 12.
Practices at retreats. People's condition after a retreat, contraindications.
Pavlovich:
What practices have you seen most often that are used at retreats, or do you use them yourself?
Organizer:
Practices as such? They are not used at retreats. There is something about meditation, something else there, the fifth, tenth. There is one practice. They are mainly used before the retreat. At the retreat there is one practice. You eat mushrooms and go into immersion to work with yourself. That is, this is the main thing. Yes, at the moment when the retreat takes place, there is a drum, there are bowls, there are incense, there are elements of the rapé ceremony.
That is, rapé is needed in the case when a person needs to immerse himself more deeply in other worlds, or, on the contrary, to pull him out of there, so that already there, let's say, 8 hours have passed, he is still there, blowing, and little by little he comes to his senses.
Pavlovich:
And how does it affect his physical condition?
Organizer:
After the retreat, a person feels renewed, as if he was given a new body. He literally walks in a new way, a complete reboot. If a person there was into some kind of martial arts, he would grasp everything with a snap of his finger, the body would be generally flexible, it would position itself differently in space, the body would simply be renewed.
Pavlovich:
And what about contraindications? For example, who shouldn't do it?
Organizer:
It shouldn't be done in terms of health for people who, for example, have some kind of schizophrenia in their family, or some kind of severe psychological illness, some kind of severe bipolar disorder, or something else. I don't take such people, because that too, that's already fraught. It shouldn't be done for people who see it only as a magic pill, after which nothing needs to be done, everything will happen by itself. Seekers of truth.
Because, as you said, the action is important. A magical arrival only if you received a task there, in other worlds, and started doing it. That's when, yes, that's when miracles happen.
The benefits of mushroom retreats for people.
Pavlovich:
Let's say this way, how many people have retreats helped, right? It doesn't matter what kind of yug, mushroom, or any other, vipassana, silence, etc. Well, for how many people is it just, I don’t know, a tribute to fashion, like, went with a friend for company, something like that?
Organizer:
In general, if a person comes to a retreat on their own, it means their time has come. Why does a person go on a retreat? Sometimes even a person doesn’t understand why. He is looking for, let’s say, one thing, let’s say, like me, to earn money, but he ends up with a change in his state so that he can be happy in the moment here now. That is, the key thing that all retreats lead to in principle is to come to a state here now and be happy. This is not some kind of dystopia.
Yes, there will be some difficulties, yes, there will be situations, yes, something will need to be overcome, but even in these moments remain happy with gratitude for what is happening. Such people don’t come to me, I’ll tell you honestly. That’s why I can’t answer this question. Such people simply don’t come to me. I probably cut them off right away. People who come to me are really looking, looking first of all for understanding for themselves.
Because all the answers, everyone knows everything. There is so much information on the Internet. Take it and do it. That's real. But why don't they do it? Because they don't understand it on a deep level. And why do they understand it on a retreat? Because they experience it all so harshly there, on the level of sensations of the body, Soul, and so on, and they experience those scenarios where they would continue to follow their past patterns, where it would lead them, and they show what will happen if you trust us and do what you want.
By the way, from the realm of darkness, NZT had side effects, what about a person, well, there are harsh side effects, right? As for mushrooms, there is one side effect - you need to do it. If you don't do it, the Universe will give you such slaps over and over again that at a certain point you won't be able to stand it. After completing a retreat, you should definitely become the main player in your destiny. That is, when you are in your destiny, there is no competition.
You do your job so well that you have clients. You can’t sit back in the crowd anymore. That is, this is such a side effect, but it is welcomed, because people don’t understand it any other way.
Interesting stories from people.
Pavlovich:
What are the most interesting stories that have happened to people that you have heard during retreats, or rather after them?
Organizer:
Listen, well, it’s an interesting story, I can tell you about mine. It was in Bali, and...
Pavlovich:
Was that the first time?
Organizer:
No, that was when I had already started conducting retreats, somewhere around the retreat, probably the sixth or whatever, I don’t remember. And at a certain point my sister calls me, like, yeah, Aunt Valya’s number, it’s my mother’s friend. And it turns out that my mother is in a dying state. That’s it, all my thoughts are lost, I’m scared, I’m worried.
Pavlovich:
Well, are you on mushrooms or not?
Organizer:
No-no-no, I’m talking specifically about the situation that happened. That is, it is not under the influence of mushrooms, I am already conducting retreats myself. I come across such news, I am generally trying to understand what it is connected with, what it is. Because I adhere to the fact that any situation in life that has happened, either favorable or unfavorable, it is a hint to you, a hint to whether you are moving in the right direction or not.
And at that moment I began to think what I was doing wrong. In short, I shed a bunch of tears, and the next day I have to conduct a fly agaric retreat for people. I think, how can I go in such a state, how can I go, my mommy is there in an immortal state, what should I do, well, how am I? And then I understand that ... whatever mom wanted, I did. Either I lay here on the couch, cried, or I went to do my own destiny. As a result, I got up in the morning, went to the retreat.
When people had already immersed themselves, we had three people immersing themselves at the fly agaric retreat, at a certain point Vladislav stood up like this, stood up like this at the moment of immersion, when it was already about three hours, and called out names, and called out the names of all the women's mothers of my team, who were directly conducting the retreat. He didn't know these names, he called out all the names, called out my mother, everything was fine, they were healthy. And then he lay back down.
I was like, okay, well, the moment of immersion, that is, anything can happen. And 2 minutes later I got a text message from my brother. Artyom, everything was fine, my mother had regained consciousness. That's it, and I just had this current running through my body, and only then did I understand, Rock, that regardless of the situation that happens in life, you need to pursue your purpose. And what if, let's say, I hadn't gone to the retreat? That is, you build the cause and effect relationship right away.
And I believe in it very much. And I realized that this was a lesson that, regardless of the situation, you need to move towards your destiny.
Pavlovich:
Well, and with people, okay, that is, they still told you something somewhere after that?
Organizer:
In immersions, you get rid of programs. Programs are also called entities. Egor Kamensky is such a good person, he went through a retreat, and after 13 days a girl writes to him, so that you understand, in immersion she showed him why he had all this bile inside, the mode of achievement, something else in a bad sense, that there was walking on heads, the ego was fed, that there was a certain sexual act with a girl.
And at the moment of this act, a program flew in. And this is how it actually happens, when you need to be very selective with whom you make love, because there is a window opens when you exchange certain programs, that's when the moment of excitement. And it seemed to him that he was cleansed of all this. Everything was cleansed, everything is great, everything is great. And 13 days after the retreat, this girl, with whom they had not spoken, 13 years old, writes to him, hi, how are you? Maybe we'll see each other? Such coincidences.
Or he's also a guy, there was a situation when he came out of the immersion. There is a moment when you are tested by money, when, for example, you decide to do what you were shown in the immersion, yes, at some point you sag in money and they are watching, will you continue to do your purpose. I had this. Here. This lasted for 2 months for me, thank God, I got through it.
And he did the same. He lies like this on the beach and thinks, "Lord, my God, give me some sign, give me some person that everything will be okay, please." And he didn't even have any money then. He went to the toilet through the restaurant, and this guy catches him like that. "Listen, do you want to eat?" "No, thanks." And like, he really insisted. He fed him and said, "Well, I don't have any money, I won't be able to thank you later. Everything's fine, I'll give it to you from God.
He just disappeared before the speech, that's it, and that person left after some time. That is, there are a lot of such situations, a colossal number. And sometimes you stop even being surprised by this, but we have what we have, and it's very interesting.
Fly agaric retreats. Reincarnations.
Pavlovich:
And you also mentioned fly agaric retreats. I thought they were conducted purely on psilocybin mushrooms, and fly agaric ones are more like microdosing.
Organizer:
Microdosing with fly agaric is a really cool thing. It evens out the state, gets rid of bad habits, it helps a lot with this.
Pavlovich:
For some people it's also a sleeping pill... Fly agarics aren't the only ones used, I've filmed the guy several times. Fly agarics, hedgehog mushrooms, and then, what else, cardiceps. Here are three of these main mushrooms.
Organizer:
Yes, they microdose with them. They microdose with them, you can microdose with them. You can't microdose with psilocybins, because when you microdose with psilocybins, you hang between two worlds, and you, in short, can get lost over time. Then the line can be erased, and you will take the wrong action, the focus is lost, so you can't microdose with them.
You can with fly agaric, but in no case throw in a large amount, because fly agaric is the king of mushrooms. Right during the immersion, they showed me that there is a fly agaric, around it there are these psilocybins, mushrooms, and they seem to work together in tandem. In what sense? Like psilocybin serves fly agaric. I had two psilocybin retreats, after which I went on a fly agaric retreat. And on fly agaric... You went to someone, you mean? To a shaman, you know. That is, I had this calling. And during the immersion, it seemed to me that everything that had happened before, even the same psilocybin retreats, it was just preparation for becoming a different person.
That is, I was not having nightmares on fly agarics there. Fly agarics really make people have nightmares. They turn them all inside out there. That is, is it a completely different physical experience or what? There, yes, you don’t control yourself there. That is, during the fly agaric immersion, you don’t control yourself. That is, if you decide to go through the fly agaric immersion alone, no right away.
That is, people tie you up there, I tie you up, they wrap you in carpets somewhere, and so on, so that a person doesn’t harm himself. It showed me that these psilocybin retreats cleansed me very well, and it was on the fly agaric that they gave me such power. When I came out of the dive, I was in a state, if you compare what is the most such, what to compare with, well, let's say there is an orgasm, yes, when you are like this, the most powerful, and there this state is 10 thousand times better than an orgasm, and it lasted 24 hours.
And this was also a certain test. I will explain why. That is, I could live this state, go for a massage or with a girl in some kind of, if in this state to have sex, it would have been generally, probably, some kind of furor. And I decided for myself, so, I will dedicate this day to gifts for my loved ones. I ordered a bouquet for my mother, gave gifts to my nephews, in my team, there, I gave myself clothes, bought natural ones.
And at the end of the day, when I go to bed like this, I just have a voice, well done, you passed the test, you did everything right. That's it. And this is exactly the moment about the fact that first you need to give, and everything will come to you. That's it. That's why I'm focused on people's results, that is, for a person to get a result, that's the most important thing for me.
If a person gets a result, even if he forgot about me, I see it somewhere on social networks or something else, I see that everything is great for him, I understand, damn, everything is great.
Pavlovich:
No, but then maybe also earn word of mouth.
Organizer:
Yes, yes, quite, that is, perhaps, after this podcast, yes, people will become interested and somehow change their opinion about mushrooms, that they are drugs, yes, like I once did. Because drugs are what cause addiction and what works with demonic ones. Alcohol, there, coke, all sorts of salt, all sorts of crap. And mushrooms are psychedelics.
They help a person, they reveal his spirit, they introduce him to himself, they rid him of all bad habits and show him what he needs to do in this reality.
Pavlovich:
Well, fly agaric, as I understand it, is still better. Like, very carefully, right?
Organizer:
Fly agaric very carefully.
Pavlovich:
That is, if even after these two experiences you already found something very scary. That is, does a person need it at all, a fly agaric retreat?
Organizer:
You know, it happens that a person...
Pavlovich:
And to whom? Are these some kind of already flown away?
Organizer:
It happens that a person needs only one retreat, let's say, psilocybin. It happens that he feels that he needs... Why do people go, let's say, to several retreats? Because a retreat is a kind of school of life, as far as mushrooms are concerned. The first retreat, roughly speaking, cleanses you, you are born, there are some introductory tasks, you complete them. You complete them, and you feel exactly on the rise, you feel that so, something is needed right here, you feel this call, independence, there is no dependence.
You feel that you have done everything that you were told in the immersions, and you have this feeling. You come in, you are given a task, and you complete it again. And there are moments when a person comes, like me, I need a fly agaric retreat, this call, it cannot be explained. And here everything is strictly individual, just like that, how many But I think that it all depends on that,
Speaker?:
How.
Organizer:
People on the planet, all souls are different, absolutely different. We don’t even think about the fact that when a person is born, a soul settles in him. Someone says that immediately, when he was conceived, someone says that at the moment of birth. But the fact is that the soul is there. Well, what do you think? I think that at the moment of conception.
Pavlovich:
Well, I also think, well, maybe not immediately, but in an hour, a day, when at least something has already been formed.
Organizer:
And this soul, it came here for a certain experience. It is not known how many times, because I often caught it and lived to see it? Well, several times in my life. A little. This is an indicator that you have already been here, you have already been born, that is, you have already reincarnated. This is called a certain wheel of samsara. When a person is born, there is a soul, and he is branded. "You are such and such, such and such, your last name is such and such."
We didn’t even choose our names ourselves. Here. I don’t remember how I was born. There are photographs, yes. Well, we need to look for the root cause. What is the root cause? There is a soul. Why did I reincarnate here? I’m sure your wife often asks herself such questions, because I looked at your Instagram page, she is quite advanced in this regard. The key is to understand why my soul is here. I always tell myself in the morning.
I open my eyes - I woke up. I need to wake up again. That is, I remember that I am a soul that put on this body, like I put on this shirt today, my soul wears this body. I need to be in focus in order to go through this reincarnation and stop reincarnating, stop reincarnating in this circle of samsara. Perhaps, we need to explain in general what this circle of samsara is.
This is when a person reincarnates over and over again, that is, a person has different situations. Maybe in different incarnations. Why does this happen? Because he can't learn some lesson that needs to be learned. It's the same as in life. A person has more or less different situations, but the meaning is the same. And time after time he can't get out of this loop. And here, too, the most important thing is to understand the meaning, why you are here, doing earthly things, keep in mind that you are a soul that is going through an experience.
It's easier to live with the understanding that there is no death. By the way, there is no death as such, as everyone thinks. Death is not an exit, there is only a transition from one reality to another. I'll even give you an example. Let's say you had a dream where you were sure that, damn, this is not a dream, this is reality.
Pavlovich:
Well, there have been, yes.
Organizer:
Here.
Pavlovich:
And in the same way, when a person dies... Well, when you cry, for example, in a dream, it happens, there, you dream that some beloved relative dies, let's say. Well, if you physically cry, yes, already, well, you wake up, there, wet, or in the morning the pillow is wet, you understand that it was real, if you already burst into tears. Yes. Even in a dream.
Organizer:
Yes. And I have been analyzing this moment lately, when a person, for example, in different ways, yes, there, pre-death. And so, if a person in such a state either dies, he will not even understand that he has died, he will be thrown somewhere just like in immersion, maybe there will be some communication with someone, something else, and there they will decide either reincarnation again, or another order. Another order is a place where you can finally rest.
Because here we are souls that are imprisoned, in essence, firstly, in our own body, and secondly, in the world around us. This is also a certain prison. And a different order, there you can relax. But there we will relax, have fun, and then go play this game. Rick and Murphy... Rick, what is the name of this cartoon? "Rick and Morty" something like that. Yes, "Rick and Morty", there is an episode where they put this thing on your head, and it is as if you are in some real game.
And there you think that you are really in reality. That is, there you lived a life-life, there you lived to see your grandfather, died, this, you wake up with this thing, they take it off, 15 minutes have passed, how do you like the game? Me, what are you talking about, I lived there for 80 years. Here, too, it is probably the same. Why do I say that? Because the goal of any game, for example, which is being invented now, there, GTA, no matter which one, is to be as realistic as possible.
Helmets are created, gloves are created, but where is any guarantee that we are not in a game now, and that everything is so real now with our technology that we are simply, let's say, sitting somewhere in helmets and just playing this game.
"Awakened" people. Past lives.
Pavlovich:
Well, and if we have already started talking about reincarnation, which can be believed in, can we not, right? Well, there is generally an opinion that figuratively awakened superpeople there, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishnamurti, Mahavira and others, Kabir and so on and so forth, they, Lalla, there was a woman too, have simply already reached the maximum level in their possible development in the wheel of sensara and are no longer born in a human body, because they have already reached the maximum level and have gone through everything.
Who you are in this life, or rather, what you do, we have basically figured out, more or less. And who were you in past lives, if we fantasize, or maybe the mushrooms told you, and who will you be in future lives?
Organizer:
Well, what should I fantasize about? I saw all this during immersions. They showed me several. I was a woman who lived her whole life in marriage, washed dishes, did such housework. I was a military leader. This is one of the last incarnations. I was a poor man who died in poverty, in hard poverty. These are the three main incarnations. And they showed me, you know, at the fly agaric retreat they showed me a huge planet where I conduct retreats, awakening people, and this was either a parallel reality, or it was the future.
I haven’t figured this out yet.
Pavlovich:
Maybe these are just fantasies and a latent desire?
Organizer:
No, I don’t think so. I am more inclined to believe that it really either was, or it is going on in parallel. It is, you know, at the level of sensations that cannot be conveyed. I am 100% sure of this.
Fantasy and reality.
Pavlovich:
And how much reality is there about your purpose, some questions that you ask yourself and get answers under the influence of mushrooms, how much does it differ from fantasy, fiction, fantasy in general? How can you understand which thought is real, which is completely fantastic, false that came to you?
Organizer:
Well, this is based on experience. You need to go through this somewhere, I don’t know, probably, to do it yourself. In principle, I don’t go through retreats on my own, not even I. That is, I am under the supervision of someone, and if some thought comes, you analyze it, that is, whose thought it is. That is, the thought can be dictated by the ego. That is, false, or true. Yes, yes, yes, it can be dictated by the ego, or it can really be what you need. That is, you analyze precisely the feelings of your soul And with understanding, is this really the case.
Is it guided by goodness and love? Is it interpreted by this? Or it comes from some specific desires of yours, not yours, but your ego, greed. So this is not the first time you say "love"? "Love" in what? Absolute love and kindness.
Pavlovich:
Yes, love and kindness. So, did Mirilo mean this specifically?
Organizer:
I am an ambassador of love and kindness. I am moving towards this, I am broadcasting. The only thing that has saved me all my life is my kind heart. This is not bragging, really, at some point it was... I didn't like it at all, because I hated it, because people take advantage of it. I was a loser. Until a certain point. I was often a loser. When people take advantage of your kindness, but I eradicated this somewhere around the age of, probably, 24, in order to immediately and strictly define my boundaries.
That is, honor the good, do not pity the evil.
Pavlovich:
My kindness is still being used, or rather, until last year. Now, no one is using it anymore, they have been using it for 41 years, that's all.
Organizer:
But you shouldn't stop being kind to those people who... No, well, to those who deserve it, and I just...
Pavlovich:
It seems to me that I was overly kind to everyone who needs help, to a friend, a stranger, who cares.
Organizer:
Well, that's also very important, that also accompanies it, goes along with faith. That is, roughly speaking, you have lost faith in a person, yes, and, accordingly, as usually happens, you lose faith in people.
Pavlovich:
No, knowledge, I just received knowledge that you don't need to be the same and kind to everyone. 100%. There are, of course, those to whom you should be kind, I don't know, family members, some close ones, even former lovers, it doesn't matter, your children, other people's, any children, for example, it seems to me, deserve a kind attitude, but there is simply an understanding that you don't need to give money to everyone, 95% of the time they simply won't return it to you. It doesn't go against kindness, it just goes with gaining some kind of intelligence and knowledge, yes, that is, past experience is superimposed, that you don't need to give money away, because they won't return it.
If a person really needs it, well, you can help him without any debts. And if he already lends, yes, well, that means he doesn't know how to handle money in life, he is a financial loser, and in principle today you lend to him, tomorrow someone else, but this will not improve his life situation.
Or maybe they'll just postpone its collapse. And I, for example, well, for me it concerns simply lending money, well, to everyone who needs help. Since last year I stopped doing this, I gave money to my subscribers many times, even to some someone in a bar somewhere. Well, within the range of, there, 2-3 thousand dollars. But for some reason not a single one gave me, not a single one, yes. Although, well, you know, if a guy asked for coke or a whore figuratively, or, I don't know, for a new computer, I would, well, I wouldn't give it, naturally.
But if a person asks for something vital, and this included, for example, medical operations, and then this included, there, getting away from the war, there, mobilization, well, naturally, and in such cases, well, I can't refuse, it doesn't matter who, I see the second time, the third, the first, well, and for me it simply served as a lesson.
Well, let's assume that I haven't become more callous, yes, let's just assume that I've become a little smarter by the age of 41, somehow not regrettably, and I wish that you could discern the truth at 20, and not like I did at 41.
Organizer:
But in reality, when you pay off debts, you give away your energy, and somewhere in some place you decide to give yourself luck. If I lend money? Yes, that is, in principle, it is better not to lend money at all. This is exactly what they told me at the retreat. Do you want, do you want to give your luck to someone? Do you want to give away your luck? He says, no, no. And why do you lend money to people? Why do you lend money to people?
Truths.
Pavlovich:
Okay, what else of those voiced, if you can voice them to us? I have a friend there, a companion, a partner, well, a person who is quite close to me, he says that you can’t, for example, talk about what you’re doing, about your plans, until you’ve done it, because people can steal your idea, they can envy you. It seemed to me up to a certain point to be nonsense, well, honestly, but then I had all sorts of serious matters, not with work anymore, but with finances, well, huge incomes from somewhere
in crypto, that is, I noticed when I start sharing this, telling, that everything ends badly.
Organizer:
One hundred percent, because only a few people can sincerely be happy for you. When you tell this, first of all, you spend your energy on the realization in the metaphysical, so that it really happens, and you give this energy to the people who listen. They can smile like this and say, yeah, cool, really great themselves. And, damn, why is everything so bad in my life? That's it, they take it away. That is, the best option is either not to tell anyone anything at all, or call your mom, there, tell your spouse what will happen, and this will only increase in the fact that it really comes true.
That is, the closest one? Yes. What else? It is very important, very important to be grateful. Just woke up, opened your eyes, and you begin to thank for the fact that you woke up. The word of the universe? You are alive. Well, not at all. Basically, you woke up. Every day, about one and a half thousand people don't wake up. They just don't wake up. Great. I thought there were a lot more.
Maybe more. I probably heard such statistics in G5. There you go. And imagine, you woke up. You still have a chance to live, to play this game. You're healthy. You have a sense of smell. You have arms and legs. And you start to accelerate like this.
Pavlovich:
"Give me your arms and legs" today I read about Nick Voychich. Do you know who he is? Write "Nick Voychich" in the comments or google it.
Organizer:
This is a real elephant, this is a really serious person. Even in his example, a person is grateful, he is grateful for this life. Because of this gratitude, there are two types of people. A person wakes up, takes his phone, throws it down and starts thinking why everything is so bad, everything is so shitty in life. Is the Universe looking at him, damn, my friend, you have your arms and legs intact, you have parents, you have friends, you have a place to live, you have food.
You don’t know what bad is. Here, take this, you’ll find out now. And when you wake up and give thanks, even when you don’t want to, everyone thinks, damn, handsome. So you’re warding off some future trouble, perhaps? You know, I wouldn’t say it’s trouble, it’s lessons, lessons in being grateful. Without gratitude, a person won’t be happy, without gratitude, a person will always have little. Without gratitude, a person will be envious.
And how do you give thanks, and over time, you’ll learn to thank so sincerely that you’ll feel such warmth in your chest with the understanding that, let’s say, you have your wife who will support you, who will cook you a delicious meal, something else, together you understand each other. That is, even just one big moment, this warmth, when you feel this, and when you also feel from gratitude that you just want to cry, the universe will prepare such good treats for you.
It is very important to be grateful, absolutely. I mean, I am grateful to you for agreeing to this podcast, I am grateful to this studio. I am also grateful to the person who made this chair. Your attitude to God.
God.
Organizer:
Remember, I was telling you that at the first retreat, before the first retreat, on the first day, I crossed myself, everyone laughed. Well, I would have laughed too, to be honest. Yes. And during the immersion, they showed me that there are no religions. I mean, there are religions, but what people interpret is simply a game, a game of manipulation.
There is only God, and He is alone. God is in you and in everything, everything that surrounds you. As such, God is the One Who created all of this. I will even say this, during the immersion, they showed me how all of this was created. It was at the fly agaric retreat. There was a moment when I was lying in the portal where all this was happening, and everything started to gather so quickly-quickly-quickly and gathers very much as if at the speed of light to a point, to a small black point.
And it is not clear, it is either emptiness or infinity. I understand that I am a point, it will be created. I think so, I am a point. In general, I feel good, then sad, then sad. And because I am bored, I begin to invent a world.
And first some vibrations begin, then sounds, then nature, then some macaques and then again me, who is lying in the portal and undergoing a fly agaric retreat. It is very difficult to define what God is. For me, God is in everything, absolutely, in this microphone. By the way, what you said about animate and inanimate objects at the beginning of our conversation, in fact, even in this carpet, everything you look at, there is something divine, some specific grain, somewhere more, somewhere less.
Attitude to the commandments and karma.
Commandments and karma.
Organizer:
These are hints. That is, in any religion there are hints where you can get certain knowledge that will help you become successful and happy in this life.
Pavlovich:
I just don’t understand one thing. The commandments, in my opinion, are subjective, it’s just that if you do this, you’ll get it back. And karma hits me hard enough and quickly enough. I would say, quite quickly. If I do something bad, I naturally suffer from it, since my conscience is not completely lost. Perhaps, I even think about it, and perhaps with these thoughts I attract the opposite. But this happens to me, if I did something bad to someone, 3-5 days very quickly I get some kind of lesson even worse than what I did.
And despite the fact that I don’t believe in God and so on, when I was sitting, I formulated for myself some, let’s call them, laws of the Universe, in the existence of which I became convinced over my 40 years, by that time there were 33. And plus or minus, these commandments, which are commandments here, well, I don’t agree with all of them, some “do not make an idol”, something else, “do not acknowledge God”, except for one of your own.
I don’t agree at all, this is some kind of outdated data, something outdated. But they work, probably, in my case. And in this regard, I can’t understand why they don’t work in relation to all sorts of complete freaks, dictators, murderers, sadists who destroy entire countries and so on? Do you have any understanding, if you suddenly agree with this point of view on karma, why it works in relation to some, but does not work at all in relation to others? My wife says so.
Well, that means they have their own lessons. Why? So why do I have these lessons, and why do they have different ones?
Organizer:
Because souls are individual, because each soul lives its own experience. Be glad that in 3-5 days your karma will fly. These people who do crazy things, karma will fly for their entire mouth. Do you understand? The fact that everything is fine with them now, everything is great - it's just a picture. People are used to looking at life in a segment, let's say, roughly speaking, 85 years - it's just such a period.
But there are reincarnations, there are next lives, there are past lives. Now he is doing crazy things, in the next life he will be some kind of cripple. In the next life, the Last Judgment awaits him.
Pavlovich:
But this is if we take into account that all of us, including the audience, believe in the next life.
Organizer:
Well, I saw it, you see, I know it, I felt it all. I am 150% sure of it. And then, when someone doesn't believe, at a certain moment, when we all leave this dimension, "Damn, Artem said so, damn, there was an answer." Therefore, those people who do crazy things, they will all answer for their actions, absolutely. Those people who immediately receive a response for their karma, this karma flies in.
The Universe loves such people very much. And each soul simply has certain lessons. For example, you once said up to 3-6 days, so you understand everything, you turn on. But here a person has a life, and during his life nothing flies in. He is given the opportunity to understand himself during this life that he is doing crazy things, but he does not understand it. And this will be for his family, his relatives in the future reincarnation, that is, he will suffer.
Good. Everything that happens is for the best? Yes. Explain. There are situations when some event happened, let's say, some kind of grief for you, you are upset. Let's say, let's take an elementary example, let's say I had my first love, she left me, yes, she cheated on me. I was grieving for two months about it. I was grieving for two months, that's it, the world is lost, and so on.
After a certain time, when I started a new relationship, after a year I realized that I simply learned how to interact with girls correctly thanks to this situation. And so it is possible... For example, or, for example, the situation with my mother, when she was in a dying state, I was very upset, cried and so on. I understand, okay. If this happened, if even this happens, it means that her lessons here are simply over, her soul will be freed from this dimension and will go somewhere else.
My mother is a wonderful, bright person at heart. I love her very much. Mommy, I love you. That's it. And I understand that everything will be fine with her. What did she want most of all? She wanted me to be happy. And, accordingly, I will be happy and will remember her. By the way, you know, this also reminded me that people go to funerals.
To the cemetery, remember their relatives and friends. Yes, they commemorate. This is generally not allowed. Radunitsa has a special holiday. There is so much to pick up there. Especially when a person drinks alcohol. Alcohol is work with the demonic. That is, when a person drinks alcohol, he undergoes a certain adjustment to the demonic. And his good and kind thoughts are replaced by all sorts of bad ones.
So, in such states, when a person drinks too much, he does something, yes, God forbid, something happens to us, then he sobers up and thinks, damn, why did I do that, it wasn’t me. Well, yes, it wasn’t you, the entity took control and did it. You can’t do that at all at a funeral. I understand that I also picked up a lot from there, they showed me this in immersion too.
The attitude of loved ones to spiritual activity. Fear of death.
Pavlovich:
How do loved ones perceive your activity?
Organizer:
Initially, I encountered specific hate.
Pavlovich:
They say that a drug addict is unfortunate.
Organizer:
In the beginning it was exactly like that. Yes, in the beginning it was exactly like that. Condemnation, misunderstanding, and so on. That is, it was probably the most serious of my trials.
Organizer:
But... How long did it last? About six months. But, as they say, and before my faith it will be given, and before my faith it has already been given to me. That's it. I just believed that I was doing everything right and acting based on what I was shown during the immersion. What do we have now? We now have interviews with the participants who went through the retreat, yes, that is, there are the first, second, third, fourth days, that is, this one, how they changed. All these interviews are on my open Telegram channel, anyone interested can watch them.
That is, there are more than 80 interviews, and there are different people. Simple guys, millionaires of dollars.
Pavlovich:
No, well, I don’t think there are any simple ones, based on the costs of all this. You said yourself that you spent almost 10 thousand dollars right away on Bali.
Organizer:
My retreat costs 5 thousand dollars. Is it here in Thailand? Here in Thailand, yes. There must be some kind of financial cushion. From this financial cushion. That is, for me, this is not a lot of money. That is, at the moment when I was ready to go, yes, it was just tight, but I understood that it would all pay off. It’s like, roughly speaking, an investment.
Pavlovich:
I probably didn’t understand, but I had more hope.
Organizer:
There was an inner understanding. Just understanding, just some kind of knowledge. I didn’t even hope, you can’t call it that you hope. This is from the realm of the magic pill. I really understood and believed that this is where I needed to go. What I’m talking about is very difficult to convey. It is very difficult to convey what a person experiences during immersion. Only a person who is there can understand it. I also even thought about it, analyzed why a retreat is needed, from what point of view.
Sooner or later we will all die. In essence, we have a demo version of death, every day is 100% sleep. That is, for example, a person sleeps for 8 hours, if he does not dream, that's how it all happens, bang, woke up, bang, woke up. During immersion, you will have the opportunity to understand what will happen there when you die, although it will be exactly the same there. Some deities, someone will tell you what you did badly, what was not bad, that is, whether you are worthy of reincarnation in a better reincarnation, whether you are worthy of choosing at all.
And they showed me there that those who have gone through retreats, there, when a person leaves this dimension, he will be met there by all the same people who met him during immersion, and they will say, "Oh, this is our brother." That is, you have completed a retreat, you have a certain protection. No evil eye, no curse, fifth, tenth, they do not work. You are freed from everything. You are already everything, it does not work.
Because you believe in what you have believed. And why do people buy into all this? Because they hear something, a little fear runs inside, and that's it, the program has flown in. Oh, the fear of death, absolutely everyone has it, absolutely everyone. Probably, it is instinctive, right, simple? Yes, yes. And ... All living beings. I noticed that some have more, some less. For some more, it means that in general there is, perhaps, some kind of ancestral theme in the past, let's say, reincarnation, something happened there, it was really strongly fixed.
Some lesson was not understood from the last reincarnation, you were killed there, and in this reincarnation you must remember. The past reincarnation and this not to do in this.
Visions in people. The goal of awakening 1 million people.
Pavlovich:
Do all people have visuals under mushrooms?
Organizer:
No, not everyone. Visuals happen to about 30-40 percent. Why does this happen? Because mushrooms work with each person individually. The soul is individual, and everyone has their own experience. Some understand through visuals, some understand through sensations, some understand through dialogue. That is, mushrooms do everything so filigree that it is real magic. You think, well, these are just mushrooms, how does it all work, how is it possible?
This is how nature created it.
Pavlovich:
Well, how do you want it, do you plan, let's say, to awaken figuratively or to lead a million people through a retreat, if you yourself say that up to this point you have led 250 people there?
Organizer:
Here is also such an interesting point that it seems like some kind of fantasy. How to do it?
Pavlovich:
No, well, only I see it simply through the media only figuratively, well, social media. But it is not that you will not conduct a remote retreat there figuratively. You can simply... Well, the seed of interest in this can probably be planted through social media at most. Because, well, physically, yes, even if you take into account... Well, only maybe if it's a retreat, figuratively, at a stadium, where there are 30 thousand people at a time.
Organizer:
Well, or okay, 15.
Pavlovich:
So with a million, it seems to me, it's so, it's not achievable from the region yet. And either it's possible, there is one way, after all, it's when you teach 100 students, let's say, and already 100 students, well, it's clear that not directly you, but you have contributed to this in some way.
Organizer:
Well, for all this time I've only had one student, Gleb, hello. That is, it's a very responsible thing, actually. That is, imagine, in addition to the fact that a person must be responsible, must be initiated in other worlds, he must have a seed of goodness and love, that in my circle there are only such people. I do not accept others with whom I do not interact, that is, those who come from some kind of evil. Many factors must come together to become a student.
First, first, to be shown that you are really a shaman there at the retreat, and then you must prove it. And there the obstacles are generally not simple, that is, if you think that it is simple, no, it is very difficult. There somewhere in the immersions, why should a shaman be initiated in other worlds at all, because when work is going on there, there, in other worlds, they see that, like, the person who immersed it was a person who is involved in this. Aha, this is Artem, everything is cool, everything is great, VVS, so we are working. What did you say, VVS?
VVS, that is what I call myself, a shaman who instills faith. Accordingly, you can work, everything is good, everything is wonderful, everything is under control. And this is such a metaphysical connection. When a person is not initiated into other worlds, as I have already said, all sorts of different situations happen on retreats.
Pseudo-shamans. How not to fall into the hands of charlatans.
Pavlovich:
And how many of all the shamans, okay, take ayahuasca and the like, I don’t know, some mescaline, Mexican stuff, your psilocybin and the like, how many of them, in your opinion, are not shamans by design? It’s just that a lot of stories are surfacing now, there are those same shamans in Peru, there is that ayahuasca, there they rip off half of these women who arrived in an incomprehensible state, there is all sorts of sexual abuse and the like.
How many of them are real shamans, how many are not, in your opinion?
Organizer:
Listen, well, I can only name those people who are. In any case, of course, the majority, they are not pseudo-shamans. They just saw a business model in this. In addition to the fact that they saw a business model, based on what you said, they pursue their demonic interests because of them. They will be held very accountable. Of those real mastodons who are now conducting retreats, yes, there, for example, I...
Well, not only mushroom ones, I mean, any type, well, except for yoga, psycho-all these. According to whose method I do all this, this is Pavel Dmitriev, he is generally the founder of all these mushroom retreats, an elephant, a hippopotamus, a legimote, he, in short, he is a very serious person, a very man, influential in this regard and a real man. Also based on that, you look at what a person is like, whether you want to be like that, whether you want to share his interests, you make a decision whether to go there or not.
Or in Ecuador there is Victor Alekseev, also a pretty serious program, I also went through it there, and he is also a wonderful healer, a 100% healer. That is, even if you talk to a person, you understand how he is, what he breathes, what he is pursuing.
Take any person who, for example, works with some plant-teachers, after talking to him, I will immediately understand whether the person is initiated in other worlds or not.
Pavlovich:
Well, how can you avoid falling into the hands of charlatans? Well, okay, let's say you have two more guys, you named us, yes, for example, on rowing, but here it is more all sorts of marketing that works there. Most people will not come across this video, let's say, but they will come across, I don't know, an advertisement on Instagram, there, and I am in Peru, let's say, or in Ecuador, or somewhere else.
As an uninitiated person who has not even watched this video, yes, but not to fall into the hands of a charlatan, because the situation can become even worse.
Organizer:
That's what I said, all the answers are inside. When you watch any content at all, let's say, let's take a specific person advertising a retreat, get to know what the person does, what he did, get to know his results and look at his interviews, look at his live broadcasts and look into the person's eyes and feel whether it resonates with you or not.
And look at his lifestyle, if a person is engaged in some nonsense, it is probably not worth going there, because what meanings will they put into you. It is very important that when a person goes to a retreat, he either wants to become the same person as a shaman, that is, I am essentially an ordinary guy, I earn money, do sports, intellectually, mentally, spiritually develop, harmoniously.
That is, I do not have such a thing that everything is pure here. That is, I am all-encompassing. And I give the same to people. And how are my retreats different in general, I do not connect people to my Gregor at all. I connect them to my Gregor so that they are the main player in their life. Because on the pseudocybite and on the fly agaric you can suggest to a person that there he will be for you, well, a very strong suggestion can be made. They
directly showed me during the immersions that they are very severely punished for this. And in principle, I am generally happy that when a person plays in this game, his role as the main player is fulfilling his purpose.
Because I am sure, I fully adhere to the fact that each soul, each soul has its own purpose, having realized which, through its purpose it can give benefit to its experience to other people and from this simply be in material prosperity.
Who should take the retreat.
Pavlovich:
Who is suitable for participation in the retreat? Who is better off abstaining?
Organizer:
Participation in the retreat is suitable for those people who fully take personal responsibility, understand that, having completed the retreat, you will not be able to lie on the couch. Everything, of course, will not happen. You will need to take actions that these tasks gave you in immersion, and just do, do, just do and watch how magically some events happen in your reality, situations are attracted, people are attracted, money, clients are attracted.
The key thing that is also given in immersion is faith. Faith. What people have lost now. Because when a person loses faith, that is, he begins to think with the herd instinct, and in order to come to his senses, you need to be alone for some time, just be alone with yourself, that is, pull yourself out of this collective.
That, in fact, is what a retreat gives.
Pavlovich:
Well, plus people with mental problems in themselves or in their closest relatives.
Mushrooms and psychotherapy.
Pavlovich:
Why mushrooms, and not psychotherapy?
Organizer:
When a person goes to a psychotherapist, he gets better for a while. That is, at the moment when he visits a psychiatrist. Why does this happen? Because the psychiatrist does not choose the root cause. Even if he tries to do so, he will not succeed. Firstly, because the patient will not be completely honest with the psychiatrist, and he will not be able to go into this psychological trauma, which is deep-deep in the subconscious, he simply will not be able to pull it out.
At the moment when you can become easier, a person who visits a psychiatrist, then everything, there will be a rollback. And it is during immersions that you deeply immerse yourself in your subconscious, look for this root cause and simply remove it. It is removed, that's it, you are a different person. That is, you remove it yourself? Independently, yes. You are guided. Plus, hypnotherapy is done during the retreat.
This is when they also help a person to understand the immersion with some situation, remove the root. Or situations that affected a person, change it for the better, in order to benefit from it. Therefore, psychotherapy can only help for a while. Yes, it may become easier for a year, and then back to square one. But a retreat helps to remove this condition that bothers a person.
And a retreat will teach how to overcome this condition on your own. Not even overcome, but accept it, work with it. And no psychiatrist will be needed.
Mentally ill. Using mushrooms.
Pavlovich:
Today I read about one startup. They made, in fact, such an Uber for those who have various psychological and mental problems, they made an application, and, it turns out, this fresh figure, officially 920 million people, are experiencing some kind of mental problems, difficulties. That is, in fact, if you take into account 8-200 billion, then well, every eighth plus or minus, let's say every ninth. A really serious figure.
But the app... My wife, for example, uses veterinary apps. When you're driving, the cat feels bad, the doctor on duty connects, chats, videos, and then tells you that the prescription is upist. But this is a little more professional. And in this app, that I'm talking about 920 million mental problems, you don't communicate with a professional psychiatrist or psychologist, although you can get to him too, but you communicate with a person who is already an ordinary person, maybe a person next to you, who went through this problem, someone struggled with addictions, someone else something.
An hour of such communication in the app, in my opinion, costs 40-70 dollars. And the startup itself, Aprilka itself, that's what surprised me, by the way, they take a lot for themselves, they take 60% of this money, essentially just bringing some together, well, like Uber, yes. Another coincidence here is that it turns out to be a gigantic market, that is, almost a billion people.
Here. And it is clear that ours will not go there for 40 dollars, but the Western ones, maybe, where they have an hour with a psychotherapist costs psychologists, there, I don’t know, a thousand dollars, yes, and there are also those, some have 50 thousand, I think, an hour costs, then they will quite possibly go. But the number is gigantic, almost a billion people, some problems with the head.
And I, to be honest, there, at one point in my life I also thought that, probably, plus or minus a little, and a little more pressure, and I will also go crazy.
Organizer:
You know what I think? In fact, absolutely everyone here has problems with the head, who lives on Earth. That is, we are souls that need to resolve this moment in ourselves. That is, some states, some internal dissonances from situations that repeat themselves over and over again. That is, we are all sick here on this planet, we are just being treated. When we are cured, then we will move on to a different order.
Pavlovich:
Why do you use mushrooms and not ayahuasca or other plants?
Organizer:
I did my first retreat on mushrooms. In fact, each person has their own plant at the teacher. But it so happened that I somehow immediately came across my plant at the teacher's. These are mushrooms. That is, I went there, I was initiated into shamans, and I began to work directly with mushrooms. I did ayahuasca, there it was confirmed to me that I need to work with mushrooms, I need to be in TAI right now and do all this in TAI.
This is my plant-teacher, thanks to which I awaken people and reveal to them the true self that they have been looking for for so long.
Preparation for retreats. Post-retreat work.
Pavlovich:
About preparation. You said that in your case it was, well, essentially a diet, yes, some kind of long one, there, almost a month. But in general?
Organizer:
In general, the most important thing, what I advise participants before the retreat, the most important thing is to monitor your condition. Just relax and enjoy life before the retreat. Imagine what will happen during the retreat, you go as if to a resort, to a resort for your soul. Just even if some negative situations happen in your life, yes, which you will give this negative color, there someone cuts you off, wish him luck, thank God, come on, buddy, so that everything is good for you.
During the retreat, it is very important to maintain this state, this is the most fundamental. Then, of course, comes nutrition, a diet on nutrition and hypnotherapy. That is, hypnotherapy, it helps a person prepare for the retreat.
That is, when a person is immersed, in addition to looking for what psychological traumas are already in the person, this is somewhere around 3-5% of what happens at the moment of immersion. That is, a person immerses himself in his own subconscious and sees some of the root causes that he has, they are removed, but they are removed right down to the root, like cutting off a weed. And at the retreat, all these psychological traumas are already uprooted along with the root. But he should go to a psychotherapist somewhere in his city or what, or how? Hypnotherapy... I have my hypnotherapists.
Pavlovich:
Ah, that is, he should already be here, right?
Organizer:
In my team. No, all this needs to be done remotely, yes. That is, my hypnotherapists... And what a huge plus, when hypnotherapy sessions are done remotely, yes, preparing a person, when a person is already on retreat, and these guys are on my team, and when he hears a familiar voice during immersion, which explained to him during hypnotherapy what and how, yes, uprooted these psychological traumas, he already feels much easier and calmer.
Pavlovich:
Have you tried regressive hypnosis? My wife keeps telling me, go to regressive hypnosis, I feel a little creeped out. Regressive hypnosis is immersion... Well, before your birth, as I understand it.
Organizer:
Ah, regression. I went through regression, yes. But there, you see, you need to believe in it. You must have a request, that is, a request, and even if there is no such request, then at least there must be interest. That's because it won't work... No, I don't give a shit. What, yes, no need.
Pavlovich:
They just say there that you remember how you were born, that is, everything that was there.
Organizer:
I'll tell you this, you go to this aggressive hypnosis, you see something and you will think that I made it all up myself. That is, you yourself must have an interest. And this forgetting, yes, in a previous life, this is also a certain test, when you forgot everything, and will you be able to act in the same way, based on what you did. Because, as you said, more or less the lessons are the same, and you need to learn these lessons.
Pavlovich:
After the retreat, is there some kind of recovery or did you wake up in the morning, like after all sorts of other things, and that's it, and ok?
Organizer:
After the retreat, the most important thing is to try to be alone for about 4-7 days. Where you want. For example, there was a retreat in Thailand, that's it, be with yourself, enjoy it. And at this moment, when immediately after the retreat a lot of insights come, a huge amount. If you, especially, do not immediately go back, say, somewhere, but are here, you simply have a huge number of new ideas.
You are liberated, the process of purification, both physical and mental, is launched. It is important to understand that after the retreat, nothing ends. After the retreat, everything is just beginning. In any case, after the retreat, there will be certain states. You will experience them, but you will experience them with the knowledge of the tools you received during the retreat.
That is, you will cope with them yourself, learn. That's it. And the most important thing is a state of peace and tranquility in solitude. Four to seven days.
Pavlovich:
And repetition? You say there were two times on psilocybin, once on fly agaric. How many? Three times, that makes it. Is it necessary at all? Or is everything enough for some people the first time?
Organizer:
In fact, everything here is strictly individual. That is, each person has their own path. For someone, one retreat may be enough. Why do people go to the second? When people go through the first retreat, they are given an assignment. They do them and feel the call again, the mushroom call, which is necessary. They feel that it is necessary.
Pavlovich:
The mushroom call.
Organizer:
Yes, they go through them again, get some tasks, they cleanse themselves, there is more of a cleansing, not a nightmare, so to speak, more of a light one, they get new tasks and just go further in their development. They scale up, earn more money, become healthier, strengthen their faith, and so on.
Bad habits.
Pavlovich:
Do retreats help with bad habits?
Organizer:
Yes. Because even hypnosis helps some people. Hypnosis, yes, hypnotherapy helps. As for retreats, it completely frees all of these bad habits, if a person is confident, of course, from everything, from alcohol, from some kind of anarctic addictions, or from smoking. That is, a person is shown in immersions what will happen to you if you continue. And when he comes to his senses, to this reality, after the immersion, he's done, he has a red flag for it.
The most memorable case.
Pavlovich:
And what was the most memorable case that happened to you at retreats?
Organizer:
Listen, at the retreat, this is exactly the situation with my mother. I still went to conduct the retreat when she was in a near-death state, went through it, and when the person stood up at the moment of immersion, named the names of all the mothers who conducted the retreat, and said that they would be healthy. And two minutes later I received a message that everything was fine with my mother. This is probably the most memorable for me. Did you have your phone in your pocket or what? Well, I conduct a retreat, yes, my phone is always with me.
And I thought you put it away, turn it off, etc. No, it's always with me. Why? At that moment it was in my pocket. Usually I take it, for example, just there on the table or somewhere else, but that one was in my pocket again for the same reason. Because I expected them to say, like with my mother. Everything is good, or everything is downright deplorable.
A person's readiness for a retreat.
Pavlovich:
And the last question for today. How do I know that I'm ready for a retreat? Well, to be honest, I don't want to yet. For now.
Organizer:
This desire is either there or not. That's when a person even hears about all this, about the fact that you can find yourself by diving deep into the chamber of your subconscious, soul.
Pavlovich:
I think many are afraid, including me, of what I might see there.
Organizer:
Exactly. And you need to understand who is afraid. Well, me, who. Well, the greatest rewards are hidden behind fears. That is, it can be a certain mechanism that does not allow you to go there, although that is where the huge results are hidden. That is, if a person wants to live in the moment here and now, to remain happy, because this is a hackneyed phrase "to remain happy here and now", everyone knows this, everyone understands everything, but no one lives like that.
As soon as some time passes there, in a second you start to worry. There is not enough money, there are problems at work, here something else. But the point is that regardless of what happens, stay happy. Of course, this consists of many reasons. Find your purpose, which is what mushrooms give. Start acting, stop ossifying, mushrooms also give. Start developing in the media, based on your activities, mushrooms also give. Mushrooms also
give you physical health. Mushrooms. Understand how the world works, mushrooms also give. But it is important to understand that the more you know, the less you know. This is such a very fine line in general, in principle, in everything. But the main thing is this inner call. You just feel what you need, and you can’t explain it. You can’t live the old way anymore and you don’t want to. Well, you don’t know how to live in a new way.
That’s exactly what mushrooms give.
Results.
Pavlovich:
Well, that’s where we’ll finish. And you write, have you tried any of these substances, yes, and what did it give you? Or is it all nonsense, and we just made it up? Here’s your opinion, based on personal experience. That is, I haven’t tried it, I can’t reason from the height of my experience. I can only listen to Artem, read something on the Internet, google it, read forums, well, you know which ones, but they’re not retreats, but other reports.
And what do you think about the topic of mushrooms in general, about retreats in general? What retreats have you attended, did they help you, and what did you get out of them? Bye.
