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Sergey Pavlovich continues a series of topics and interviews about his book "How I Stole a Million. Confession of a Repentant Carder" and the development of Russian cybercrime in general. How the first carder forums appeared and what they were like, who created them, what statuses did the "founding fathers" and moderators have, what deals were made on CarderPlanet, Carder.org, Boa Factory, ShadowCrew and DumpsMarket, who are Dmitry Golubov (Script), Vladislav Khorokhorin (BadB), Roman Stepanenko/Vega (Boa), what is "real plastic", how much did fake credit cards and documents cost and much more.
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Friends, hello! And today we will talk about how I got into cybercrime in general, and about the emergence of the first carder forums, and in general about the development of Russian crime. Today's episode will be about cybercrime, who are carders, how are they different from hackers, how did all this come about and about the stars in this business, so be sure to watch to the end.
So, how did I get into cybercrime? Well, you could say that I got into it by accident, because I was studying at school at the time and was constantly selling something, reselling some sneakers, finding some good deals there on discounts, selling them at a higher price, then selling Internet access.
It was still the time when the Internet was dial-up, that is, with a regular modem there is 33,600 or 56 thousand, and the Internet at that time cost somewhere for a month, if you just sit there on an unlimited plan, somewhere around 200 dollars, or rather not on an unlimited plan, but on an hourly basis it came out to 200 dollars, so, I found one Internet provider that gave me unlimited access, sold it for 50 dollars, and I got it there for 30 or 40, which was a 30 percent marginality.
And somehow I was surfing the bulletin board, in Minsk there was a bulletin board for a computer newspaper, because I was going to enter the journalism department, I needed some articles, I wrote a little something there, even for some newspapers. It turns out I was surfing this forum, the bulletin board, and I saw an ad for selling credit cards, that is, credit and debit card numbers with all the owner's data, with the CVV code, in principle, this was enough first to resell it, say, at retail, buy it wholesale and resell it at retail, which is what I basically did, and to simply enter it into some sites. That is, when you first encounter someone else's credit card on the Internet, you understand, quite logically come to the conclusion that you can order something for yourself on some online store, on some foreign site, a piece of clothing, some expensive discs, music DVDs, CDs, they cost astronomical amounts of money at that time, some computer equipment and other liquid goods, preferably liquid, so that it would be easy to sell.
Well, I thought so, we tried, my brother tried, he knew English better than me, we entered some disks, I think Deep Purple, Pink Floyd on some Western site and were very surprised, happy when they came to us and decided that it was a gold mine, and in general, all this is called stuff carding. When you buy something from someone else's credit card in a Western online store and it comes to your address, but generally preferably not yours, of course, the address of your drop, that is, a front man.
Well, from then on it went, we ordered a lot of different goods in principle and the strongest, I would say, gizmo carders at that time were in Minsk, one stood out, he was a moderator on several carder forums, he was a person from Minsk, I personally knew him, he had a nickname on the Internet Romantic, and his second nickname was Bymicro, this is the strongest gizmo carder that I knew. And he stole this equipment, and flowers, and everything else, liquid, non-liquid goods for about 50-100 thousand dollars a month.
And this was the end of the 90s, that is, imagine, 100 dollars then was approximately in its purchasing power as 250 now. Therefore, the turnover of Minsk clothing dealers at that time was huge and all customs was bought from us, because when you receive some guitar, there is a DVD player and other expensive goods, yes, there was a limit over 100 dollars in Belarus, you had to drag yourself to customs and clear it, that is, pay the state there 30, and for legal entities, I think 40 percent of the cost of the goods. Well, of course, you could ask the customs officers, not the customs officers, but the senders of the goods to understate its cost in the invoice, so that its cost there according to the catalog did not exceed, according to the invoice did not exceed, say, 100 dollars, and then you did not pay customs clearance.
But some sellers did not agree to this. Sometimes there were savvy customs officers who understood that you received a laptop for 2000 dollars, and he valued it at 99 dollars. Accordingly, they then revalued the goods, took a similar or the same product from Minsk online stores, and said, sorry, it is not worth 100 dollars there, it is worth 2000 dollars, and please, pay us 30% in customs clearance. And the idiocy itself was that you had to pay customs clearance not only from the cost of the goods, but also from the delivery.
Imagine that you get a refrigerator, which you, for example, did not even use a card, but bought there at a discount, for example in a store for 100 dollars, its delivery there costs 500 dollars, well, it is a very large-sized cargo. And it turns out that you pay customs clearance not from 100 dollars, not from the cost of the thing, but also from the cost of the road. That is, you would pay customs clearance not on $100, but on all $600, including delivery.
And such idiotic laws remain in Belarus to this day. And this is my answer to your question about why I don’t live there, because I don’t want to put up with such laws there and generally have less contact with any government bodies. Well, I went a little off track and that’s how I ended up in stuff carding.
By the way, I'll get a little ahead of myself and tell you that there are a lot of courses being sold online now, including courses on stuff carding, and everyone thinks that I'll buy some kind of miracle course, they'll teach me how to enter it, they'll give me stores where I can do it, because not every store can be fooled now by entering someone else's card and that's it, and I'll skim the cream, but this is practically unheard of for two reasons: firstly, it's hard to find shops that send you money, and the goods are liquid without any problems; firstly, it's hard to find cards that this shop accepts, that is, it's generally very hard to find stolen cards online now; if in my time they cost half a dollar there, and at wholesale it was up to 20 cents, now their price reaches 10-50 dollars, that is, this is not uncommon. And, accordingly, let's say you've already learned the shop, learned which cards you can enter into it, learned how to enter them, but they don't work, so don't buy these trainings online even for 8-5 thousand rubles, because you simply won't be able to do anything with it, firstly, and secondly, it's illegal.
Well, and we started to hammer in there with a whole gang, in short, hammered in goods, tried to liquid ones, and liquid at that time was equipment, because, imagine, it was the end of the 90s, and I still remember well when a flash drive, a flash drive cost about a dollar per megabyte at retail, that is, you have a flash drive for a gig, it cost 600-700 dollars there,
that is, for a gig, that is, a 256 flash drive was taken for 200 dollars, a megabyte, not a gigabyte, but a megabyte, equipment was naturally the easiest to sell, but we pulled, there were not always shops that sent equipment, we pulled all sorts of frankly illiquid goods, for example, we ordered flowers on other people's credit cards, some perfume, but with perfume, by the way, there were almost never any problems, clothes are hard to sell, but all this was ordered mainly for ourselves.
There were also funny cases when I quarreled with this Baymicro, which he called and he threatened me with something, but I was wrong in that situation, I admit, and I ordered flowers in some Western shop, well, German, and I already forgot about it, that is, I no longer knew whether the order went through or not, because it often happened that you enter, even at that time, they did not even require changing the IP in the online store, and you enter, like the order there is successful, completed, paid, paid, but in fact nothing comes, because they see that the card there, for example, is American, you order in a German shop to a Belarusian address, for example. Well, and they, naturally, poured all this. This was solved at that time by a very simple change of IP, that is, you turned on the proxy, VPN services then did not exist at all publicly and no one knew this technology then, you just changed the IP by substituting a proxy server in the browser and that's it.
And the illusion was created that you were ordering from an American address with an American card, just a shipping address, that is, the recipient's address was Belarusian. It happened that shops did not send, for example, to an address different from the payer's address, for example. There were also their own tricks, it happened that an American shop sent only to America, then there was a drop on job search sites, for example, which was usually used there in the dark, which agreed to accept parcels at its address, unpack them, delete the invoice, simply throw it away or reprint a new one, but more often they just threw it away and then forwarded it to you further. You can even write, it was there in English, like a used product or restored, for example, and customs did not cling to such goods, that it costs $99, and not $2000. There were funny things, like I said, I ordered these flowers in the store, forgot about it, a romantic threatens me and they bring me some home, I come home from college, they bring home some roses.
A huge bouquet. These roses were probably about one and a half meters long, maybe a little less. Red. I think I remember them exactly, there was an even number of them, either 50 or 100. And I think, well, you know, in our Russian tradition, in the post-Soviet one, that is, an even number of flowers, this is usually for funerals.
And I start, in short, to get worked up, I think, damn, wow, I need to resolve the issue with the person, because, in short, he sent such a bouquet, it is unknown what he will send next, and they will bury me there. And then I look, I have already arrived home from college, my mother told me everything over the phone, I look at the store card in the bouquet and I remembered that I ordered it there. That is, it got to this. Then you would think, I'll order myself a snowboard. You order some snowboard, you think that the price is so cheap, you still didn't really know English, at a good level.
Some kind of snowboard wall mount comes, just a rubber band and you think, damn, it really cost $20, I thought the snowboard was so cheap. But the cheap-expensive questions of course receded into the background, because you were paying with someone else's credit cards anyway.
And the most expensive purchase I made at one time with someone else's card was Visa Signature BIN 414750 and I didn't buy some physical thing, not gold or diamonds, but I bought some software I needed on some foreign site, there were about $10,000, it cost $9,900 I think. Well, we were engaged, in general, in carding of things, and as such, carding forums did not exist at that time.
Now, if we look at carding forums, yes, we can say that compared to my time, the end of the 90s, the beginning of the 2000s, there is simply such a boom in cybercrime now, because the largest forum we had did not exceed 5-6 thousand people, but now we look at carding forums, firstly, there are dozens of them, in fact, I recently collected a list for one interview, there are about 30 of them, and secondly, there are forums where the number of registered users is 100-200 thousand people, and it turns out that if we take the total coverage, then somewhere around half a million people, there may be a million active carders in the CIS, but the calculation here is a little incorrect, because you need to take into account that the same person is registered on several forums at once and also, as a rule, he has 2-3 nicknames on these forums, more or less pumped up or just newbies.
Accordingly, I think that at present the number of active cybercriminals in the CIS is 100-150 thousand people and compare it with 5 thousand in my time, that is, cybercrime is only growing, although already somehow the garbage is more actively fighting it, but again it depends on which country. In Belarus they were already at the level, and in Russia and Ukraine you can easily buy your way out, this is already like a scourge of the country, the problem of the law enforcement system and corruption in general, but for the carder guys and other cybercriminals this is of course a plus, but here you also need to draw a parallel and more accurately separate hackers from carders, because ordinary people do not understand who hackers are, who carders are, for them, like I talked to the guys in prison, for them anyone who knows how to configure Windows, install Warcraft or Starcraft and so on, is already a priori a hacker, yes, or you can write some cheat in Counter-Strike that you have a superpower, that's already a hacker.
In fact, in the world of cybercriminals there was and is a clear division, that is, there are hackers, that is, those who hack something, get information, some databases, Carders are the English card, card, and this is exactly the specialization of cybercriminals who are engaged in cashing and all sorts of withdrawals of money from credit cards and, in principle, bank accounts stolen by hackers.
There were also spammers who got all sorts of accounts there, for example, bank accounts, which could be cleaned out later. There were virus writers, and there was an incredible amount of all sorts of auxiliary people hanging around on carder forums, designers, website creators, and so on, and their prices were exorbitant, I understand this now, but simply because there were few web designers, SEO specialists, and other valuable renderers, and carders had money, and the same designers for carders and webmasters, yes, they could set any price, and carders paid there, without much bargaining. Well, let's get back to carder forums. The first forum for carders that appeared in the CIS was carder.Org, and there were real professionals in their field on it. Many famous figures, about whom we later learned from the press, from high-profile criminal arrests, came from this forum.
And all the most professionals in carding, it turned out that they were from this form, I know many of them personally, we vacationed with many of them in Spain, in other countries, and what we didn’t do there on these vacations, well, imagine young guys there 18-20-25 years old maximum, and there earning 100 thousand dollars a month, well, it’s clear that there are orgs, and drugs, and whatever, in general there is something to remember, but nothing to tell, as they say.
After Carder.org, CarderPlanet appeared. I learned about it around the end of, probably, 2002, and it was already such, probably, the most massive, the very first, the most striking example of forums for cybercriminals in general. At that time, as I already said, there were not a lot of members registered there.
Probably from four to five thousand were present, and all of them, in principle, were also professionals in their field. There were, of course, the founding fathers of the forum, it was the BoA script, Raiden, VVC3, Big Buyer, Pankohonus and of course BadBee. Vladik Harahorin, BadBee, yes, you asked many times, under each video you ask me to film an interview with him, and it seems like he is already flying to me.
So, I thought that since September we will record something, if he does not disappear again. Accordingly, these were the founding fathers of Carder Planet, and they basically all knew each other, there someone personally, someone worked remotely, and they had the status of Don on the forum, that is, the highest status. Don, the second most important status, it was usually among moderators, or just among friends of the forum, and it sounded like Capo di Capi.
Capo di Capi is a corruption of the Italian Capo dei Capi, meaning boss of all bosses. The Italian mafia is generally very clear, for example in Cosa Nostra, Sicilian, they have a very clear division by roles, that is, the Don is like the godfather, if you haven’t watched the wonderful film based on the book by Mario Puza The Godfather with Al Pacino and Marlon Brando, then of course I highly recommend this trilogy, you won’t regret it, this is one of the best examples of world cinema, the godfather in three parts and on the carder planet there was a whole hierarchy the same as in the Italian mafia, that is, the dons, then the capo dicape and then I don’t remember what kind of bettors there were, the executioner, there was something for the supreme arbiter there, I don’t remember how they studied Italian in general on the planet, yes, we called it the planet of the carder planet, that is, the planet of carders, there was such an awesome atmosphere there, in principle, everyone helped each other, there were relatively few swindlers, by today's standards we can say that there were none at all, there, well, of course, there were some without it, but nevertheless, and the moderators were professionals in their field, somehow the atmosphere was all very friendly, and I knew that if I post some post on the planet there, there hackers hacked my friends, some bank, we need to decrypt the pin codes to it, to the dumps, yes, then I knew that in principle there would be help, and I would find a whole bunch of professionals, and at the same time I found Micron on the planet, in my book he is listed as Nikron, then it was still impossible to talk about it, but in fact he is Micron and his brother Scorp. Scorp is Vladimir Drinkman, he is serving, I think, a 12-year sentence in the USA, I have generally spoken about him many times, he is the greatest hacker I have seen, and it seems to me that he has not been surpassed yet, but I know only one girl who has come close, and maybe even surpassed him a little in talent.
Girl, this is also in my book. There was a lot of different information on the planet, naturally all in free access, what you are now used to paying money for and you are asked for some information, how to enter what, what bins and so on, how to spam, all this on the planet was naturally in free access.
I will display a screenshot of the planet, and someone can find the archive of the planet, restore, read, that is, to feel nostalgic, there is nothing difficult in this. There were many different sections, like on any forum. That is, there was chatter, some jokes from the life of the forum, of course, credit cards, dumps, stores, virus software, spam, of course, and at the head of each section there was some bright professional, a real pro. There was no such unbrotherly thing there, that you are my friend, you are my brother, you will be the moderator of this section. No, everything was clear there, as it should be, that is, exactly when everyone is doing their own thing and a true professional is heading all this.
On the planet I met Micron and I sold, at that time, since I was used to selling something, yes, constantly, I sold short ICQ numbers, at that time there one beautiful number 5-7, for example, it could cost 50-100-200 dollars, well, that was money for the 90s, and imagine how now they sell hijacked accounts, for example, Instagram for different purposes, then at that time we bought ourselves beautiful short ICQ numbers.
It was like buying a beautiful number for a car, for example, or a phone number from all the same digits. It was a cool time, I still remember it with nostalgia, warmth. I was not personally acquainted with the script, the owner of the forum, unlike many other moderators and fathers-experts.
I crossed paths with him once on some forum issue, I was also wrong about something, I screwed up a lot in my youth, in short, he taught me wisdom and reason there, but normally, that is, he figured it out within his competence, he seemed to me a thoughtful, reasonable, normally decent person. And by the way, the script, the script is Dima Golubov, and you can google who he is, subsequently the planet existed for about three years, or maybe less than two, and it was closed due to the fact that there was a great interest of American journalists in our forum, in our house.
And in the New York Times, I think, a big interview with the Script came out. It was immediately published in the Hacker magazine, then in the New York Times, and that caused close interest of foreign law enforcement agencies, and the planet Script was forced to close. And when this post was written, it wasn’t him who wrote it, but I think it was Big Bayer or I don’t remember which of the founding fathers wrote this forum, that for various reasons it was time to close the planet, but everyone there was almost crying, everyone there was asking for time to somehow exchange contacts, to move to new forums.
Here on the ruins of the planet appeared a bunch of new forums TheCC, Verified, which by the way was a garbage forum originally created by employees of some department K of one of the Russian cities, Mazafaka was a cool forum, but it was always bigger, it was closer to hackers, it was more of a professional theme not for carders and was at that time, in parallel with the planet there was a Western forum for English-speaking carders, although on the planet there was a section for English-speaking carders and Chinese-speaking, there was a forum Shadow Crew, later, I have a book called, in my book it is written about Albert Gonzalez, that is, Albert Gonzalez was there in the same group with me, we stole according to the assurances of the American authorities there. The damage amounted to more than a billion dollars, in fact even more, but they attributed a billion dollars to us, on my conscience, according to the statements of law enforcement agencies 36 million dollars, personally on my own, and in general the group we had 11 people at once, then they threw in more.
I probably knew about 5 of those 11, personally or remotely, the rest were some Americans I didn't know much about, but since we all took dump credit cards from one hacked source, they combined all of them into one group and attributed a billion in damages to us. In total, we had about 270 million credit card numbers involved in the case, that is, if you throw out the elderly and children, that is, we stole a credit or debit card from every fifth person on the planet in some way.
Shadow Crew was subsequently closed by American law enforcement agencies, not with the help of Albert Gonzalez, the hero of one of the main characters in my book, but by the US Secret Service, which always had me under special control, and the FBI, basically the US Postal Investigation Service, and you could say that a whole consortium, a syndicate of US law enforcement agencies, basically.
But even before the planet closed, I created my carding forum, Dumps Market it was called, because at that time, if I started right away with selling short ICQ numbers, then I met Micron, and Micron was a hacker, well, and his brother, respectively, a hacker, so, and I traded, already took an eBay account from them, an eBay account was needed so that you can from it, a seller account is obtained on eBay, yes, you can put up some non-existent goods from it, you have reviews, reputations, and from this account sell any non-existent goods for real money. The same thing, when you have a bunch of accounts, you wind up reviews on your own goods, on the first account, that yes, you took, well, such, in short. This was also used to wind up reviews.
Accordingly, then I traded eBay accounts, credit card numbers, which I took from Minsk hackers mainly, because compared to other things I did, they were pennies. And then I learned about dumps on the planet. There was a whole section on the planet called real plastic and it was headed by Boa.
Boa, his name was Roma, Roma Vega, aka Roman Stepanenko, he is now serving, just think about it, a 20-year sentence in the USA, by the way, he will be released soon, I think, somewhere in 2022, but he was given 20 years for cybercrime in America and imagine that in Russia, for example, they give or in Ukraine they give 5 years probation for this, well, such sentences are not rare. And Boa was engaged in moving real plastic. Real plastic was duplicates of credit cards.
That is, all of you have, say, a visa, a master card, some have American Express, some are richer or from America, there is Diner's Club. Well, this is such a blank, yes, I will close the number, because then you will say that we will steal our number. This is such a blank, but on the new sample there are no doves, that is, doves and globes.
The Globe had a hologram on the master card, the Visa had a dove on it all its life, well, it's on the back now, it's migrated to the back of the credit card, this hologram, it was always on the front, but that is, real plastic on special printers or in overseas printing houses in China was made a duplicate of some American's credit card, a dump was written to the magnetic strip here. A dump is a collection of information from the magnetic strip, that is, a dump includes the card number, then it includes its expiration date and it also includes a special access code to your bank account, because there is usually, not usually, money on your card, but they don't lie at all.
That is, when you leave a card in an ATM or pay at an ATM, it serves only as an access key to your bank account. And so Boa headed the section on the planet that made these fake cards, rolled dumps on them. And with this card you could go to the store and buy some goods.
They were sold without a PIN code, respectively, subsequently I already had hundreds and thousands of cards with a PIN code in my hands. And with a PIN code it's a song in general, because when you have a card and a PIN, you can go to any ATM and withdraw cash. And why do you need to go to the store, there is security in the stores, your card can be blocked, the code can be knocked out on the terminal stolen, for example, and then the security will simply detain you, and you will be subject to a criminal case. Plus in the stores you buy goods, try to liquidate naturally, which is easy and quick to dump.
We bought mainly, tried equipment, of course, jewelry, it went well, very gold and stones there, well, mostly simple gold. And strangely enough, here is a cigarette and vodka, because in fact it was possible to dump them there in their familiar shops for practically the same price.
But let's go back to BOA, BOA subsequently founded a website, a separate website BOA Factory, where he simply sold thousands of real plastic, these duplicate credit cards, and sold dumps, that is, he took dumps from Skorp, from Micron and from other hackers, specifically from hackers, and BOA was not the only reseller of other people's dumps, Gabrik also sold them, Gabrik was an official reseller. The official seller of Skorp, because Skorp is a very strong hacker and by nature he is not a seller, he is a hacker. And Gabrik was simply an evolutionary carder of planets and sold dumps.
There was also this Tron, a man from Moscow, Sasha Atchikov. A rare bastard, because he screwed me for 30 thousand dollars, only while I was sitting there, he did not pay me the amount due for the dumps. Sasha Atchikov, if you watch, you know that you are a complete bastard and you can't screw your own, and rats to boot. I sold dumps of micron and scorpion on my own site dumps market, that's why I called it Dumps Market.
And you know, when you own a forum, you can relate it to a mass media outlet, like when you own a YouTube channel like now.
By the way, if anyone hasn't subscribed yet, subscribe because you'll get bells, set the bell to notify you of new releases and we'll see each other more often because my releases often don't flash in your feed, so be sure to subscribe. And I'll be pleased, I'll see feedback, the growth of the channel, I'll know that I'm doing this for a reason, not for myself alone. I started selling dumps and their sale was, of course, much more liquid than everything I've done so far.
Because I could take one dump from hackers for $2 in bulk and sell it, say, for $20. Or you take it for $20 and sell it for $100. There was a strong division, the price tag depended heavily on the type of card, that is, classic, gold, platinum. Although I want to say that we sometimes withdrew much more from classics than from gold or platinum. Because there were always 2-3 thousand dollars on the classic, especially on the European one, and there might not be any money at all on the American gold, that is, the person exhausted his credit limit and that's it.
And we withdrew without problems both from debit cards, and from debit cards, and from credit cards, but probably still mainly from credit cards, because for debits I rarely got a pin code, that's the pin code. In the store, when you shopped with a fake They could, of course, examine the card itself, they could ask for an identity document, that is, a passport.
They were interested in the card and the passport being, naturally, in the same name. But here we bought documents, and on the planet we bought documents, all kinds of licenses and passports. And BOA also sold documents on its website BOA Factory. By the way, as soon as BOA was closed, yes, and their team in general, I described it in the book.
The book is already on sale on my official website, but again, this is still a pre-order. That is, it will come to me from the publisher until about September 30th and all previously placed orders will have already been sent by about the end of September, I think. Maybe at the beginning of October. As soon as Boa was closed, he was closed in Cyprus with Lerata together, one member of his team.
By the way, they also had a girl, probably a girl, Cranberry, right? Cranberry, that is, such a cool name, everyone thought it was a girl, in fact, it seems they didn't say a guy, but a girl, but I don't know these transvestites there, I'll try to figure it out. But when working with any of the members of the Boa Factory team, I never had any problems, they were adult responsible people. Well, just as there were no problems with people from CarderPlanet.
And with the planet, as I say, everyone was on the same level, that is, there was no such dominance, I was throwing then, and I created my forum Dumps Market and traded dumps, compare the cost of a dump, as I just said there are 20-50 dollars and 100 dollars and the cost of, say, credit cards, purely credit card numbers, how is a dump fundamentally different from CC, well, CC was our abbreviation for credit cards, we just called it CC in Russian, just with a dump you could make a purchase in a real store around the corner, go to a jewelry store or buy a fur coat from your mistress.
And with CC, with a credit card, you could only make a purchase on the Internet. Back then, there were no SMS, 3D Secure from MasterCard and Visa, VBV, Verified by Visa from Visa, like now. That is, when you make a purchase, either for any amount, or over a certain limit, it depends on the settings of your merchant, well, that is, the processing that processes the card, then you get a mandatory SMS from the bank.
From your bank. And then, naturally, this did not exist yet, which is why there was such a rampant cybercrime, namely, clothing, and in general, that is, there were whole gangs of our drops going to jewelry stores, they were sent to Europe, sent there to Russia, to Belarus, in general to all countries of the world, Israel, America, Hong Kong there, and they bought up, of course, a lot of cool things, expensive watches, gold.
But naturally, your drop had to match the level of the owner, the holder of a Visa Gold or Platinum card, because if you came as a ragamuffin, you are 15 years old, you are a carder boy who came to the store to buy a watch for twenty with someone else's card, then this will raise questions that you do not look like the owner of such a card with such a level, you do not look like a buyer of such a watch, that is, you immediately attract attention and, accordingly, your card will be examined under a microscope, you will be asked for documents 10 times and most likely, if some problem occurs with the card, for example, a refusal, or they will knock out the POS terminal, this terminal through which cards are swiped, it is now increasingly applied, if with wireless payment, you had practically no chance that you would leave this store, if the code was knocked out at the post, the card was stolen, let's say, detain the owner, that's it, that is, security, well, accordingly, the drops had to know foreign languages, that is, look respectable, and we sent them to Finland, and to Hong Kong, as I already said, and worked in Belgium. We immediately made acquaintances, I personally made acquaintances with the manufacturers of awesome, almost identical plastic, because the plastic that was sold on the Boa Factory website was still of low quality, because it was made on special card printers.
Chinese plastic, it was made in printing houses, It was offset printing and there were in China, in China in general there is the birthplace, yes, of counterfeit, fakes, in China there were ideal holograms, there was an ideal microfont there near the Visa logo, there was a special microfont and it could be read with a magnifying glass Visa, that is, everything was ideal.
And I was engaged in selling not only dumps on Dumps Market, but also documents. Imagine me a document, a set of fake documents, For example, a French passport, their internal ID or Ausweis in Germany plus a license cost only 150 euros, bloggers made them for me. I sold on the site from 1000 and up, that is, what was the marginality, in principle, of everything I did.
And I met some Carder.org people who were involved in dumps with pin codes, and we, naturally, well, such a product, you understand, it was not sold to outsiders, it was not widely sold and in general only a narrow circle of especially trusted people knew about it and we naturally withdrew our drops all over the world in cash, in ATMs and such cards were not sold and now you can find ads for selling dumps with a pin, especially on VKontakte, somewhere else on some Telegram channels, but this is not 99% that you will be cheated, this is 100%, just remember that no one will sell you a dump with a pin code either by prepayment or by postpayment, that is, it is simply unrealistic, because what prevents you from going to an ATM and simply withdrawing this cash. My Dumps Market existed for about a little over a year and it was called Dumps Market, as I already said, a dump market, precisely because I sharpened it for trading dumps.
But when you have some forum, channel or any other media, let's say a newspaper, you feel like a demigod, you can say that you influence people's minds. You have much more money than before. You have some power over people, your circle of acquaintances naturally expands, moderators, smart assistants.
You are already stirring up completely different topics with someone. And when I was working on Dumps Market, my income was about 100 thousand dollars a month. I was 20 years old at the time, and now at 20 I was already earning 100 thousand dollars. I had a car worth fifty dollars, which was subsequently confiscated. And in general, I worked with the site for about a year and it all ended with my arrest, but I'll tell you about this another time. But in general, watch the first chapter, if you haven't seen it, and it is exactly about how I was arrested, what the first arrest looks like, how you are taken to the prosecutor, how you enter the hut.
Be sure to write comments, any questions under this video, did you like it or not, what else would you like to hear about, write if you need an interview with BadB, and be sure to google it, find out who Dmitry Golubov is, aka Script, because his bright fate did not end with the closing of the planet, a bright story, and he subsequently became, he was subsequently put in the Ukrainian prison Karampera, well, yes, he was able to get out on bail of people's deputies, he had good lawyers, in the world for money and he simply bought his freedom, but moreover, he subsequently became a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
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Friends, hello! And today we will talk about how I got into cybercrime in general, and about the emergence of the first carder forums, and in general about the development of Russian crime. Today's episode will be about cybercrime, who are carders, how are they different from hackers, how did all this come about and about the stars in this business, so be sure to watch to the end.
So, how did I get into cybercrime? Well, you could say that I got into it by accident, because I was studying at school at the time and was constantly selling something, reselling some sneakers, finding some good deals there on discounts, selling them at a higher price, then selling Internet access.
It was still the time when the Internet was dial-up, that is, with a regular modem there is 33,600 or 56 thousand, and the Internet at that time cost somewhere for a month, if you just sit there on an unlimited plan, somewhere around 200 dollars, or rather not on an unlimited plan, but on an hourly basis it came out to 200 dollars, so, I found one Internet provider that gave me unlimited access, sold it for 50 dollars, and I got it there for 30 or 40, which was a 30 percent marginality.
And somehow I was surfing the bulletin board, in Minsk there was a bulletin board for a computer newspaper, because I was going to enter the journalism department, I needed some articles, I wrote a little something there, even for some newspapers. It turns out I was surfing this forum, the bulletin board, and I saw an ad for selling credit cards, that is, credit and debit card numbers with all the owner's data, with the CVV code, in principle, this was enough first to resell it, say, at retail, buy it wholesale and resell it at retail, which is what I basically did, and to simply enter it into some sites. That is, when you first encounter someone else's credit card on the Internet, you understand, quite logically come to the conclusion that you can order something for yourself on some online store, on some foreign site, a piece of clothing, some expensive discs, music DVDs, CDs, they cost astronomical amounts of money at that time, some computer equipment and other liquid goods, preferably liquid, so that it would be easy to sell.
Well, I thought so, we tried, my brother tried, he knew English better than me, we entered some disks, I think Deep Purple, Pink Floyd on some Western site and were very surprised, happy when they came to us and decided that it was a gold mine, and in general, all this is called stuff carding. When you buy something from someone else's credit card in a Western online store and it comes to your address, but generally preferably not yours, of course, the address of your drop, that is, a front man.
Well, from then on it went, we ordered a lot of different goods in principle and the strongest, I would say, gizmo carders at that time were in Minsk, one stood out, he was a moderator on several carder forums, he was a person from Minsk, I personally knew him, he had a nickname on the Internet Romantic, and his second nickname was Bymicro, this is the strongest gizmo carder that I knew. And he stole this equipment, and flowers, and everything else, liquid, non-liquid goods for about 50-100 thousand dollars a month.
And this was the end of the 90s, that is, imagine, 100 dollars then was approximately in its purchasing power as 250 now. Therefore, the turnover of Minsk clothing dealers at that time was huge and all customs was bought from us, because when you receive some guitar, there is a DVD player and other expensive goods, yes, there was a limit over 100 dollars in Belarus, you had to drag yourself to customs and clear it, that is, pay the state there 30, and for legal entities, I think 40 percent of the cost of the goods. Well, of course, you could ask the customs officers, not the customs officers, but the senders of the goods to understate its cost in the invoice, so that its cost there according to the catalog did not exceed, according to the invoice did not exceed, say, 100 dollars, and then you did not pay customs clearance.
But some sellers did not agree to this. Sometimes there were savvy customs officers who understood that you received a laptop for 2000 dollars, and he valued it at 99 dollars. Accordingly, they then revalued the goods, took a similar or the same product from Minsk online stores, and said, sorry, it is not worth 100 dollars there, it is worth 2000 dollars, and please, pay us 30% in customs clearance. And the idiocy itself was that you had to pay customs clearance not only from the cost of the goods, but also from the delivery.
Imagine that you get a refrigerator, which you, for example, did not even use a card, but bought there at a discount, for example in a store for 100 dollars, its delivery there costs 500 dollars, well, it is a very large-sized cargo. And it turns out that you pay customs clearance not from 100 dollars, not from the cost of the thing, but also from the cost of the road. That is, you would pay customs clearance not on $100, but on all $600, including delivery.
And such idiotic laws remain in Belarus to this day. And this is my answer to your question about why I don’t live there, because I don’t want to put up with such laws there and generally have less contact with any government bodies. Well, I went a little off track and that’s how I ended up in stuff carding.
By the way, I'll get a little ahead of myself and tell you that there are a lot of courses being sold online now, including courses on stuff carding, and everyone thinks that I'll buy some kind of miracle course, they'll teach me how to enter it, they'll give me stores where I can do it, because not every store can be fooled now by entering someone else's card and that's it, and I'll skim the cream, but this is practically unheard of for two reasons: firstly, it's hard to find shops that send you money, and the goods are liquid without any problems; firstly, it's hard to find cards that this shop accepts, that is, it's generally very hard to find stolen cards online now; if in my time they cost half a dollar there, and at wholesale it was up to 20 cents, now their price reaches 10-50 dollars, that is, this is not uncommon. And, accordingly, let's say you've already learned the shop, learned which cards you can enter into it, learned how to enter them, but they don't work, so don't buy these trainings online even for 8-5 thousand rubles, because you simply won't be able to do anything with it, firstly, and secondly, it's illegal.
Well, and we started to hammer in there with a whole gang, in short, hammered in goods, tried to liquid ones, and liquid at that time was equipment, because, imagine, it was the end of the 90s, and I still remember well when a flash drive, a flash drive cost about a dollar per megabyte at retail, that is, you have a flash drive for a gig, it cost 600-700 dollars there,
that is, for a gig, that is, a 256 flash drive was taken for 200 dollars, a megabyte, not a gigabyte, but a megabyte, equipment was naturally the easiest to sell, but we pulled, there were not always shops that sent equipment, we pulled all sorts of frankly illiquid goods, for example, we ordered flowers on other people's credit cards, some perfume, but with perfume, by the way, there were almost never any problems, clothes are hard to sell, but all this was ordered mainly for ourselves.
There were also funny cases when I quarreled with this Baymicro, which he called and he threatened me with something, but I was wrong in that situation, I admit, and I ordered flowers in some Western shop, well, German, and I already forgot about it, that is, I no longer knew whether the order went through or not, because it often happened that you enter, even at that time, they did not even require changing the IP in the online store, and you enter, like the order there is successful, completed, paid, paid, but in fact nothing comes, because they see that the card there, for example, is American, you order in a German shop to a Belarusian address, for example. Well, and they, naturally, poured all this. This was solved at that time by a very simple change of IP, that is, you turned on the proxy, VPN services then did not exist at all publicly and no one knew this technology then, you just changed the IP by substituting a proxy server in the browser and that's it.
And the illusion was created that you were ordering from an American address with an American card, just a shipping address, that is, the recipient's address was Belarusian. It happened that shops did not send, for example, to an address different from the payer's address, for example. There were also their own tricks, it happened that an American shop sent only to America, then there was a drop on job search sites, for example, which was usually used there in the dark, which agreed to accept parcels at its address, unpack them, delete the invoice, simply throw it away or reprint a new one, but more often they just threw it away and then forwarded it to you further. You can even write, it was there in English, like a used product or restored, for example, and customs did not cling to such goods, that it costs $99, and not $2000. There were funny things, like I said, I ordered these flowers in the store, forgot about it, a romantic threatens me and they bring me some home, I come home from college, they bring home some roses.
A huge bouquet. These roses were probably about one and a half meters long, maybe a little less. Red. I think I remember them exactly, there was an even number of them, either 50 or 100. And I think, well, you know, in our Russian tradition, in the post-Soviet one, that is, an even number of flowers, this is usually for funerals.
And I start, in short, to get worked up, I think, damn, wow, I need to resolve the issue with the person, because, in short, he sent such a bouquet, it is unknown what he will send next, and they will bury me there. And then I look, I have already arrived home from college, my mother told me everything over the phone, I look at the store card in the bouquet and I remembered that I ordered it there. That is, it got to this. Then you would think, I'll order myself a snowboard. You order some snowboard, you think that the price is so cheap, you still didn't really know English, at a good level.
Some kind of snowboard wall mount comes, just a rubber band and you think, damn, it really cost $20, I thought the snowboard was so cheap. But the cheap-expensive questions of course receded into the background, because you were paying with someone else's credit cards anyway.
And the most expensive purchase I made at one time with someone else's card was Visa Signature BIN 414750 and I didn't buy some physical thing, not gold or diamonds, but I bought some software I needed on some foreign site, there were about $10,000, it cost $9,900 I think. Well, we were engaged, in general, in carding of things, and as such, carding forums did not exist at that time.
Now, if we look at carding forums, yes, we can say that compared to my time, the end of the 90s, the beginning of the 2000s, there is simply such a boom in cybercrime now, because the largest forum we had did not exceed 5-6 thousand people, but now we look at carding forums, firstly, there are dozens of them, in fact, I recently collected a list for one interview, there are about 30 of them, and secondly, there are forums where the number of registered users is 100-200 thousand people, and it turns out that if we take the total coverage, then somewhere around half a million people, there may be a million active carders in the CIS, but the calculation here is a little incorrect, because you need to take into account that the same person is registered on several forums at once and also, as a rule, he has 2-3 nicknames on these forums, more or less pumped up or just newbies.
Accordingly, I think that at present the number of active cybercriminals in the CIS is 100-150 thousand people and compare it with 5 thousand in my time, that is, cybercrime is only growing, although already somehow the garbage is more actively fighting it, but again it depends on which country. In Belarus they were already at the level, and in Russia and Ukraine you can easily buy your way out, this is already like a scourge of the country, the problem of the law enforcement system and corruption in general, but for the carder guys and other cybercriminals this is of course a plus, but here you also need to draw a parallel and more accurately separate hackers from carders, because ordinary people do not understand who hackers are, who carders are, for them, like I talked to the guys in prison, for them anyone who knows how to configure Windows, install Warcraft or Starcraft and so on, is already a priori a hacker, yes, or you can write some cheat in Counter-Strike that you have a superpower, that's already a hacker.
In fact, in the world of cybercriminals there was and is a clear division, that is, there are hackers, that is, those who hack something, get information, some databases, Carders are the English card, card, and this is exactly the specialization of cybercriminals who are engaged in cashing and all sorts of withdrawals of money from credit cards and, in principle, bank accounts stolen by hackers.
There were also spammers who got all sorts of accounts there, for example, bank accounts, which could be cleaned out later. There were virus writers, and there was an incredible amount of all sorts of auxiliary people hanging around on carder forums, designers, website creators, and so on, and their prices were exorbitant, I understand this now, but simply because there were few web designers, SEO specialists, and other valuable renderers, and carders had money, and the same designers for carders and webmasters, yes, they could set any price, and carders paid there, without much bargaining. Well, let's get back to carder forums. The first forum for carders that appeared in the CIS was carder.Org, and there were real professionals in their field on it. Many famous figures, about whom we later learned from the press, from high-profile criminal arrests, came from this forum.
And all the most professionals in carding, it turned out that they were from this form, I know many of them personally, we vacationed with many of them in Spain, in other countries, and what we didn’t do there on these vacations, well, imagine young guys there 18-20-25 years old maximum, and there earning 100 thousand dollars a month, well, it’s clear that there are orgs, and drugs, and whatever, in general there is something to remember, but nothing to tell, as they say.
After Carder.org, CarderPlanet appeared. I learned about it around the end of, probably, 2002, and it was already such, probably, the most massive, the very first, the most striking example of forums for cybercriminals in general. At that time, as I already said, there were not a lot of members registered there.
Probably from four to five thousand were present, and all of them, in principle, were also professionals in their field. There were, of course, the founding fathers of the forum, it was the BoA script, Raiden, VVC3, Big Buyer, Pankohonus and of course BadBee. Vladik Harahorin, BadBee, yes, you asked many times, under each video you ask me to film an interview with him, and it seems like he is already flying to me.
So, I thought that since September we will record something, if he does not disappear again. Accordingly, these were the founding fathers of Carder Planet, and they basically all knew each other, there someone personally, someone worked remotely, and they had the status of Don on the forum, that is, the highest status. Don, the second most important status, it was usually among moderators, or just among friends of the forum, and it sounded like Capo di Capi.
Capo di Capi is a corruption of the Italian Capo dei Capi, meaning boss of all bosses. The Italian mafia is generally very clear, for example in Cosa Nostra, Sicilian, they have a very clear division by roles, that is, the Don is like the godfather, if you haven’t watched the wonderful film based on the book by Mario Puza The Godfather with Al Pacino and Marlon Brando, then of course I highly recommend this trilogy, you won’t regret it, this is one of the best examples of world cinema, the godfather in three parts and on the carder planet there was a whole hierarchy the same as in the Italian mafia, that is, the dons, then the capo dicape and then I don’t remember what kind of bettors there were, the executioner, there was something for the supreme arbiter there, I don’t remember how they studied Italian in general on the planet, yes, we called it the planet of the carder planet, that is, the planet of carders, there was such an awesome atmosphere there, in principle, everyone helped each other, there were relatively few swindlers, by today's standards we can say that there were none at all, there, well, of course, there were some without it, but nevertheless, and the moderators were professionals in their field, somehow the atmosphere was all very friendly, and I knew that if I post some post on the planet there, there hackers hacked my friends, some bank, we need to decrypt the pin codes to it, to the dumps, yes, then I knew that in principle there would be help, and I would find a whole bunch of professionals, and at the same time I found Micron on the planet, in my book he is listed as Nikron, then it was still impossible to talk about it, but in fact he is Micron and his brother Scorp. Scorp is Vladimir Drinkman, he is serving, I think, a 12-year sentence in the USA, I have generally spoken about him many times, he is the greatest hacker I have seen, and it seems to me that he has not been surpassed yet, but I know only one girl who has come close, and maybe even surpassed him a little in talent.
Girl, this is also in my book. There was a lot of different information on the planet, naturally all in free access, what you are now used to paying money for and you are asked for some information, how to enter what, what bins and so on, how to spam, all this on the planet was naturally in free access.
I will display a screenshot of the planet, and someone can find the archive of the planet, restore, read, that is, to feel nostalgic, there is nothing difficult in this. There were many different sections, like on any forum. That is, there was chatter, some jokes from the life of the forum, of course, credit cards, dumps, stores, virus software, spam, of course, and at the head of each section there was some bright professional, a real pro. There was no such unbrotherly thing there, that you are my friend, you are my brother, you will be the moderator of this section. No, everything was clear there, as it should be, that is, exactly when everyone is doing their own thing and a true professional is heading all this.
On the planet I met Micron and I sold, at that time, since I was used to selling something, yes, constantly, I sold short ICQ numbers, at that time there one beautiful number 5-7, for example, it could cost 50-100-200 dollars, well, that was money for the 90s, and imagine how now they sell hijacked accounts, for example, Instagram for different purposes, then at that time we bought ourselves beautiful short ICQ numbers.
It was like buying a beautiful number for a car, for example, or a phone number from all the same digits. It was a cool time, I still remember it with nostalgia, warmth. I was not personally acquainted with the script, the owner of the forum, unlike many other moderators and fathers-experts.
I crossed paths with him once on some forum issue, I was also wrong about something, I screwed up a lot in my youth, in short, he taught me wisdom and reason there, but normally, that is, he figured it out within his competence, he seemed to me a thoughtful, reasonable, normally decent person. And by the way, the script, the script is Dima Golubov, and you can google who he is, subsequently the planet existed for about three years, or maybe less than two, and it was closed due to the fact that there was a great interest of American journalists in our forum, in our house.
And in the New York Times, I think, a big interview with the Script came out. It was immediately published in the Hacker magazine, then in the New York Times, and that caused close interest of foreign law enforcement agencies, and the planet Script was forced to close. And when this post was written, it wasn’t him who wrote it, but I think it was Big Bayer or I don’t remember which of the founding fathers wrote this forum, that for various reasons it was time to close the planet, but everyone there was almost crying, everyone there was asking for time to somehow exchange contacts, to move to new forums.
Here on the ruins of the planet appeared a bunch of new forums TheCC, Verified, which by the way was a garbage forum originally created by employees of some department K of one of the Russian cities, Mazafaka was a cool forum, but it was always bigger, it was closer to hackers, it was more of a professional theme not for carders and was at that time, in parallel with the planet there was a Western forum for English-speaking carders, although on the planet there was a section for English-speaking carders and Chinese-speaking, there was a forum Shadow Crew, later, I have a book called, in my book it is written about Albert Gonzalez, that is, Albert Gonzalez was there in the same group with me, we stole according to the assurances of the American authorities there. The damage amounted to more than a billion dollars, in fact even more, but they attributed a billion dollars to us, on my conscience, according to the statements of law enforcement agencies 36 million dollars, personally on my own, and in general the group we had 11 people at once, then they threw in more.
I probably knew about 5 of those 11, personally or remotely, the rest were some Americans I didn't know much about, but since we all took dump credit cards from one hacked source, they combined all of them into one group and attributed a billion in damages to us. In total, we had about 270 million credit card numbers involved in the case, that is, if you throw out the elderly and children, that is, we stole a credit or debit card from every fifth person on the planet in some way.
Shadow Crew was subsequently closed by American law enforcement agencies, not with the help of Albert Gonzalez, the hero of one of the main characters in my book, but by the US Secret Service, which always had me under special control, and the FBI, basically the US Postal Investigation Service, and you could say that a whole consortium, a syndicate of US law enforcement agencies, basically.
But even before the planet closed, I created my carding forum, Dumps Market it was called, because at that time, if I started right away with selling short ICQ numbers, then I met Micron, and Micron was a hacker, well, and his brother, respectively, a hacker, so, and I traded, already took an eBay account from them, an eBay account was needed so that you can from it, a seller account is obtained on eBay, yes, you can put up some non-existent goods from it, you have reviews, reputations, and from this account sell any non-existent goods for real money. The same thing, when you have a bunch of accounts, you wind up reviews on your own goods, on the first account, that yes, you took, well, such, in short. This was also used to wind up reviews.
Accordingly, then I traded eBay accounts, credit card numbers, which I took from Minsk hackers mainly, because compared to other things I did, they were pennies. And then I learned about dumps on the planet. There was a whole section on the planet called real plastic and it was headed by Boa.
Boa, his name was Roma, Roma Vega, aka Roman Stepanenko, he is now serving, just think about it, a 20-year sentence in the USA, by the way, he will be released soon, I think, somewhere in 2022, but he was given 20 years for cybercrime in America and imagine that in Russia, for example, they give or in Ukraine they give 5 years probation for this, well, such sentences are not rare. And Boa was engaged in moving real plastic. Real plastic was duplicates of credit cards.
That is, all of you have, say, a visa, a master card, some have American Express, some are richer or from America, there is Diner's Club. Well, this is such a blank, yes, I will close the number, because then you will say that we will steal our number. This is such a blank, but on the new sample there are no doves, that is, doves and globes.
The Globe had a hologram on the master card, the Visa had a dove on it all its life, well, it's on the back now, it's migrated to the back of the credit card, this hologram, it was always on the front, but that is, real plastic on special printers or in overseas printing houses in China was made a duplicate of some American's credit card, a dump was written to the magnetic strip here. A dump is a collection of information from the magnetic strip, that is, a dump includes the card number, then it includes its expiration date and it also includes a special access code to your bank account, because there is usually, not usually, money on your card, but they don't lie at all.
That is, when you leave a card in an ATM or pay at an ATM, it serves only as an access key to your bank account. And so Boa headed the section on the planet that made these fake cards, rolled dumps on them. And with this card you could go to the store and buy some goods.
They were sold without a PIN code, respectively, subsequently I already had hundreds and thousands of cards with a PIN code in my hands. And with a PIN code it's a song in general, because when you have a card and a PIN, you can go to any ATM and withdraw cash. And why do you need to go to the store, there is security in the stores, your card can be blocked, the code can be knocked out on the terminal stolen, for example, and then the security will simply detain you, and you will be subject to a criminal case. Plus in the stores you buy goods, try to liquidate naturally, which is easy and quick to dump.
We bought mainly, tried equipment, of course, jewelry, it went well, very gold and stones there, well, mostly simple gold. And strangely enough, here is a cigarette and vodka, because in fact it was possible to dump them there in their familiar shops for practically the same price.
But let's go back to BOA, BOA subsequently founded a website, a separate website BOA Factory, where he simply sold thousands of real plastic, these duplicate credit cards, and sold dumps, that is, he took dumps from Skorp, from Micron and from other hackers, specifically from hackers, and BOA was not the only reseller of other people's dumps, Gabrik also sold them, Gabrik was an official reseller. The official seller of Skorp, because Skorp is a very strong hacker and by nature he is not a seller, he is a hacker. And Gabrik was simply an evolutionary carder of planets and sold dumps.
There was also this Tron, a man from Moscow, Sasha Atchikov. A rare bastard, because he screwed me for 30 thousand dollars, only while I was sitting there, he did not pay me the amount due for the dumps. Sasha Atchikov, if you watch, you know that you are a complete bastard and you can't screw your own, and rats to boot. I sold dumps of micron and scorpion on my own site dumps market, that's why I called it Dumps Market.
And you know, when you own a forum, you can relate it to a mass media outlet, like when you own a YouTube channel like now.
By the way, if anyone hasn't subscribed yet, subscribe because you'll get bells, set the bell to notify you of new releases and we'll see each other more often because my releases often don't flash in your feed, so be sure to subscribe. And I'll be pleased, I'll see feedback, the growth of the channel, I'll know that I'm doing this for a reason, not for myself alone. I started selling dumps and their sale was, of course, much more liquid than everything I've done so far.
Because I could take one dump from hackers for $2 in bulk and sell it, say, for $20. Or you take it for $20 and sell it for $100. There was a strong division, the price tag depended heavily on the type of card, that is, classic, gold, platinum. Although I want to say that we sometimes withdrew much more from classics than from gold or platinum. Because there were always 2-3 thousand dollars on the classic, especially on the European one, and there might not be any money at all on the American gold, that is, the person exhausted his credit limit and that's it.
And we withdrew without problems both from debit cards, and from debit cards, and from credit cards, but probably still mainly from credit cards, because for debits I rarely got a pin code, that's the pin code. In the store, when you shopped with a fake They could, of course, examine the card itself, they could ask for an identity document, that is, a passport.
They were interested in the card and the passport being, naturally, in the same name. But here we bought documents, and on the planet we bought documents, all kinds of licenses and passports. And BOA also sold documents on its website BOA Factory. By the way, as soon as BOA was closed, yes, and their team in general, I described it in the book.
The book is already on sale on my official website, but again, this is still a pre-order. That is, it will come to me from the publisher until about September 30th and all previously placed orders will have already been sent by about the end of September, I think. Maybe at the beginning of October. As soon as Boa was closed, he was closed in Cyprus with Lerata together, one member of his team.
By the way, they also had a girl, probably a girl, Cranberry, right? Cranberry, that is, such a cool name, everyone thought it was a girl, in fact, it seems they didn't say a guy, but a girl, but I don't know these transvestites there, I'll try to figure it out. But when working with any of the members of the Boa Factory team, I never had any problems, they were adult responsible people. Well, just as there were no problems with people from CarderPlanet.
And with the planet, as I say, everyone was on the same level, that is, there was no such dominance, I was throwing then, and I created my forum Dumps Market and traded dumps, compare the cost of a dump, as I just said there are 20-50 dollars and 100 dollars and the cost of, say, credit cards, purely credit card numbers, how is a dump fundamentally different from CC, well, CC was our abbreviation for credit cards, we just called it CC in Russian, just with a dump you could make a purchase in a real store around the corner, go to a jewelry store or buy a fur coat from your mistress.
And with CC, with a credit card, you could only make a purchase on the Internet. Back then, there were no SMS, 3D Secure from MasterCard and Visa, VBV, Verified by Visa from Visa, like now. That is, when you make a purchase, either for any amount, or over a certain limit, it depends on the settings of your merchant, well, that is, the processing that processes the card, then you get a mandatory SMS from the bank.
From your bank. And then, naturally, this did not exist yet, which is why there was such a rampant cybercrime, namely, clothing, and in general, that is, there were whole gangs of our drops going to jewelry stores, they were sent to Europe, sent there to Russia, to Belarus, in general to all countries of the world, Israel, America, Hong Kong there, and they bought up, of course, a lot of cool things, expensive watches, gold.
But naturally, your drop had to match the level of the owner, the holder of a Visa Gold or Platinum card, because if you came as a ragamuffin, you are 15 years old, you are a carder boy who came to the store to buy a watch for twenty with someone else's card, then this will raise questions that you do not look like the owner of such a card with such a level, you do not look like a buyer of such a watch, that is, you immediately attract attention and, accordingly, your card will be examined under a microscope, you will be asked for documents 10 times and most likely, if some problem occurs with the card, for example, a refusal, or they will knock out the POS terminal, this terminal through which cards are swiped, it is now increasingly applied, if with wireless payment, you had practically no chance that you would leave this store, if the code was knocked out at the post, the card was stolen, let's say, detain the owner, that's it, that is, security, well, accordingly, the drops had to know foreign languages, that is, look respectable, and we sent them to Finland, and to Hong Kong, as I already said, and worked in Belgium. We immediately made acquaintances, I personally made acquaintances with the manufacturers of awesome, almost identical plastic, because the plastic that was sold on the Boa Factory website was still of low quality, because it was made on special card printers.
Chinese plastic, it was made in printing houses, It was offset printing and there were in China, in China in general there is the birthplace, yes, of counterfeit, fakes, in China there were ideal holograms, there was an ideal microfont there near the Visa logo, there was a special microfont and it could be read with a magnifying glass Visa, that is, everything was ideal.
And I was engaged in selling not only dumps on Dumps Market, but also documents. Imagine me a document, a set of fake documents, For example, a French passport, their internal ID or Ausweis in Germany plus a license cost only 150 euros, bloggers made them for me. I sold on the site from 1000 and up, that is, what was the marginality, in principle, of everything I did.
And I met some Carder.org people who were involved in dumps with pin codes, and we, naturally, well, such a product, you understand, it was not sold to outsiders, it was not widely sold and in general only a narrow circle of especially trusted people knew about it and we naturally withdrew our drops all over the world in cash, in ATMs and such cards were not sold and now you can find ads for selling dumps with a pin, especially on VKontakte, somewhere else on some Telegram channels, but this is not 99% that you will be cheated, this is 100%, just remember that no one will sell you a dump with a pin code either by prepayment or by postpayment, that is, it is simply unrealistic, because what prevents you from going to an ATM and simply withdrawing this cash. My Dumps Market existed for about a little over a year and it was called Dumps Market, as I already said, a dump market, precisely because I sharpened it for trading dumps.
But when you have some forum, channel or any other media, let's say a newspaper, you feel like a demigod, you can say that you influence people's minds. You have much more money than before. You have some power over people, your circle of acquaintances naturally expands, moderators, smart assistants.
You are already stirring up completely different topics with someone. And when I was working on Dumps Market, my income was about 100 thousand dollars a month. I was 20 years old at the time, and now at 20 I was already earning 100 thousand dollars. I had a car worth fifty dollars, which was subsequently confiscated. And in general, I worked with the site for about a year and it all ended with my arrest, but I'll tell you about this another time. But in general, watch the first chapter, if you haven't seen it, and it is exactly about how I was arrested, what the first arrest looks like, how you are taken to the prosecutor, how you enter the hut.
Be sure to write comments, any questions under this video, did you like it or not, what else would you like to hear about, write if you need an interview with BadB, and be sure to google it, find out who Dmitry Golubov is, aka Script, because his bright fate did not end with the closing of the planet, a bright story, and he subsequently became, he was subsequently put in the Ukrainian prison Karampera, well, yes, he was able to get out on bail of people's deputies, he had good lawyers, in the world for money and he simply bought his freedom, but moreover, he subsequently became a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
That's the story, but about all this next time.
