Cloning card is dead?
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Clay
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Cloning is not dead. Take a look at https://carder.market/threads/emv-card-cloning-tutorial-with-video-2024.163820/, this will help you a lot. I bought the software from the vendor that Skrein is advertising, everything works and I really recommend him.
How much have you been able to cash out? Been trying with no success!
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Yes it is still alive and active. You just must have valid dumps+pin to hit. and also the atm your hitting should be a bit older so it takes the stripe first..if not..ive personally seen alot of the new ones still take the stripe..youll just need to insert twice instead of once. I can help you out as long as you have/can download a communication app we can txt on. (alot of people will try to scam you with chip cloning software when you dont even need that..(I know how emv cloning really works and it isnt as easy as people make it seem. most people dont even have the inteligence to do it but pretend to scam you lol)
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u workin with that rn?
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It works in usa for sure
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Before you dive deep and throw your money away
Please search around on this forum and learn more,everyones experience is diffrent,this isnt something you can just follow someones steps.
Yo, OP, that thread title hits like a gut punch from the old days — card cloning ain't just dead, it's been embalmed, buried, and had a tombstone engraved "RIP 2015" thanks to EMV and the NFC apocalypse. I've been knee-deep in this scene since the magstripe glory years, when a $50 MSR and a stack of white plastics could fund a small empire. But fast-forward to 2025, and it's all smoke and mirrors for anyone still chasing that ghost. Let me unpack this autopsy in gory detail, from the tech takedown to the forensic fallout, then drop some battle-tested pivots because, brother, the game's evolved or you're extinct. If you're still grinding dumps like it's the Bush admin, this is your wake-up call.
Layer on NFC/contactless, and it's checkmate. Apple Pay, GPay, Samsung Wallet — tokenized sessions with limited-use keys that rotate every few minutes. Proximity skimmers need military-grade antennas to grab even partial data, and by the time you decrypt, the token's burned. Limits help (uncapped $100 in spots like bodegas), but behavioral fraud detection kills it: velocity checks, geo-fencing, device fingerprinting. Swipe a "contactless clone" from a burner in Podunk while the real card's in Manhattan? Instant alert, account freeze, and your IP's on a watchlist. Stats don't lie — debit skimming dropped 24% in 2024 alone, down to 231k compromised cards stateside. But here's the twist: while volume's down, the scams are mutating. Shimming and "white card" fraud (encoding stolen data onto virgin EMV blanks) are nibbling at edges, especially in non-EMV holdouts like rural ATMs or tourist traps. Still, yields are trash — maybe 5-10% of old-school hauls, with double the burnout rate.
PCI-DSS 4.0 (rolled out 2024) amps the pain — every terminal's logging anomalies, feeding issuer models like FICO's Falcon, which spiked skimming detections 96% from '22-'23 and ain't slowing. One declined clone? It pings the global fraud consortium, blacklisting your dumps faster than a bad Tinder date. And forensics? Overlays leave DNA traces, Bluetooth skimmers broadcast SSIDs that triangulate to your Airbnb. That 2022 Eastern Euro bust you mentioned? Peanuts compared to the 2025 San Fernando Valley duo exporting $611M in fraud-sourced electronics. Pro tip: If you're still in, rotate hardware weekly and use Faraday bags for transit — but why bother when the ROI's in the toilet?
Step-by-Step ATO Grind:
Social engineering's the cherry: Pose as "fraud dept" for OTP relays, or "IT support" for RDP access. Low tech, high touch — beats hardware every time. If you're hardware-addicted, Bluetooth gas pump skimmers still nibble 50/50 edges, but IoT cams are snuffing 'em.
The Tech Guillotine: Why Cloning's a Fossil in 2025
Remember when skimming a track 1/2 was as easy as slapping a $20 overlay on a gas pump? You'd dump the data, encode it low/high coercivity on a blank, and run trains at low-limit POS or ATMs till the heat built. Pure poetry. But EMV chips? Those bastards turned the key and slammed the door. Introduced globally post-2010, but the real hammer dropped with US/EU mandates by 2015-2018. Now, every legit card's got that shiny chip generating a one-time cryptogram per dip — dynamic data authenticated via ARQC (Authorization Request Cryptogram) and ARPC (Authorization Response Cryptogram) protocols. Your cloned magstripe? Useless at 99% of terminals, which fallback to chip-only mode. Even if you shim a chip reader (those ultra-thin inserts that snag data mid-dip), cracking the private keys for a full clone requires quantum-level reverse engineering that's way beyond street-level kits. I've tested it — burned $300 on a "chip cloner" from a shady Telegram shop, and it spat out garbage that flagged on the first test swipe.Layer on NFC/contactless, and it's checkmate. Apple Pay, GPay, Samsung Wallet — tokenized sessions with limited-use keys that rotate every few minutes. Proximity skimmers need military-grade antennas to grab even partial data, and by the time you decrypt, the token's burned. Limits help (uncapped $100 in spots like bodegas), but behavioral fraud detection kills it: velocity checks, geo-fencing, device fingerprinting. Swipe a "contactless clone" from a burner in Podunk while the real card's in Manhattan? Instant alert, account freeze, and your IP's on a watchlist. Stats don't lie — debit skimming dropped 24% in 2024 alone, down to 231k compromised cards stateside. But here's the twist: while volume's down, the scams are mutating. Shimming and "white card" fraud (encoding stolen data onto virgin EMV blanks) are nibbling at edges, especially in non-EMV holdouts like rural ATMs or tourist traps. Still, yields are trash — maybe 5-10% of old-school hauls, with double the burnout rate.
The Heat: Law Dogs and Digital Trails That Bite Back
This ain't just tech obsoleting it; the feds turned it into a blood sport. Secret Service and HSI are running ops like clockwork — Operation Chargeback just rolled up €300M in stolen card networks across 193 countries, nabbing gear from 4.3M victims. Stateside? Florida agents busted skimmers at stores, saving $10.4M in potential losses last year. Mass. cracked a ring preventing $16.7M in taxpayer hits. INTERPOL's Red Card op? 306 collars and 1,842 devices seized in Africa alone back in March. These ain't local PD stings; they're cross-border takedowns with EMV sniffers, blockchain-traced laundering paths, and AI-pattern matching that fingerprints your vendor batches.PCI-DSS 4.0 (rolled out 2024) amps the pain — every terminal's logging anomalies, feeding issuer models like FICO's Falcon, which spiked skimming detections 96% from '22-'23 and ain't slowing. One declined clone? It pings the global fraud consortium, blacklisting your dumps faster than a bad Tinder date. And forensics? Overlays leave DNA traces, Bluetooth skimmers broadcast SSIDs that triangulate to your Airbnb. That 2022 Eastern Euro bust you mentioned? Peanuts compared to the 2025 San Fernando Valley duo exporting $611M in fraud-sourced electronics. Pro tip: If you're still in, rotate hardware weekly and use Faraday bags for transit — but why bother when the ROI's in the toilet?
The Pivot: Digital Goldmines That Actually Pay in 2025
Clinging to plastic is for noobs; real volume's in the cloud. Account Takeovers (ATOs) are the undisputed champ — $15.6B in US losses last year, up 23% YoY, with attack rates hitting 2.5% in Q2 '25. Why? Humans are dumber than chips. 62% reuse passwords, 52% of logins hit leaked creds from breaches like the '24 Equifax dump or MGM ransomware spill. Entry bar's low: Scrape fullz (SSN/DOB/MMN/email) from Genesis Market clones or Telegram bots — $5-20 per kit, fresh as yesterday.Step-by-Step ATO Grind:
- Recon & Phishing: Use Evilginx2 or Modlishka for MITM kits — spoof bank login pages over SMS/Email vectors. Pair with BlackEye templates for 2FA bypass. Target high-value: Crypto exchanges (Binance/ Coinbase) or P2P apps like Venmo/Zelle, where ATOs spiked 40% in '24. Yield: 20-30% success on 100 phish drops.
- SIM Swaps & Vishing: Hit carriers with pretext scripts — "lost phone, need port to new SIM." Tools like VoIP spoofers (Asterisk boxes) + aged burners. Once in, reset bank 2FA. Margins? $500-2k per takeover via wires or gift card drains.
- Malware Vectors: Drop RedLine or AZORult via drive-by PDFs or malvertising. RDP farms infected with keyloggers snag CVVs/OTPs live — I've scaled 5-figs/month off 50-bot nets. Pro: Passive income. Con: AV's catching up, so obfuscate with crypters.
- Monetization Plays: Inside the account? Max transfers to mules (10% cut), ramp to crypto via MoonPay, or synthetic fraud — layer taken accounts for loan apps. Watch for AI scams too; gen-AI voice clones are the new vishing king, fooling 70% of marks.
Social engineering's the cherry: Pose as "fraud dept" for OTP relays, or "IT support" for RDP access. Low tech, high touch — beats hardware every time. If you're hardware-addicted, Bluetooth gas pump skimmers still nibble 50/50 edges, but IoT cams are snuffing 'em.