Carder Released From US Prison: What He's Hiding

[Cloned Boy]

In this thread, the famous carder Sergey Pavlovich continues his conversation with Vladislav Khorokhorin, better known as the cybercriminal, hacker, and carder BadB. We talk about the scariest thing in an American prison, how phones "fly" into the American zone (literally), billionaire cellmates, who is the best hacker in the world, what Vlad does when he is free, what is the most important thing in life, and other secrets of carder Vladislav Khorokhorin.

Sergey Pavlovich continues his dialogue with Vladislav Khorokhorin, a hacker, carder, and cybercriminal, better known on the Internet under the nickname BadB. We send greetings to Dmitry Golubov (Script) – the creator of the carding forum CarderPlanet, we discuss the top hackers and carders of the world, drink Carder vodka, snacking on bananas , share painful things about the relationships of hackers with girls, discuss sex in prison, release from American captivity, give advice for the life and work of young people in general, so that they do not repeat our interesting, but in many ways wrong criminal path.

Enjoy reading!

Contents:

• Does the US get away with everything?
• What is the scariest thing about an American prison?
• Poker Tournaments and Gambling in American Prisons
• What happens when someone finds your phone?
• Who is in the largest number of American prisons?
• How is a prison cell different from a regular prison cell in America?
• According to the rules, is someone who gets sucked gay?
• What do they feed in American prisons?
• How did you feel on the day of your release?
• What has changed in your life now?
• Who is the greatest hacker?
• Are you more of a hacker or a carder? The secret to success from BadB.
• The first crime in your life?
• A Toast from Former Cybercriminals
• How much did you earn in total during your criminal career?
• What is the most important thing for you in life after your release?
• Why did you get into crime, reasons?
• What about your parents: are you from a complete family?
• How is your personal life?
• What are your future plans for life?
• BLITZ
• What would you like to change in your life?
• How is your health?
• How many times did you lie during this interview?

A prison term has guided you, corrected you and added the right thoughts. Life is one, and you begin to appreciate it. If you screwed up somewhere in relation to America, then sooner or later be prepared that somewhere you have to... What is the worst thing about prison? Boredom.

Your dick is standing, your head is shaking. How many times have you lied during this interview?

Well, the USA, as far as I understand, gets away with everything, right? The USA, of course, but what, not here? Well, it's like that everywhere. Their own courts, their own rules. For example, Suvorov, yes, Johnny Hell, he was detained in Germany with a bunch of violations. And this is recognized, there, by the entire justice system. But nevertheless, nothing, no one, naturally, drank against the Americans.

Yes, they caught Seleznev in the Maldives, it's just that there it was already officially, well, it was already proven, they were investigating, there was corruption, that is, they stupidly gave the cops money at the airport and said, we'll take this guy now, and that's it.

What's the worst thing about prison? The waiting, the time, the boredom, the fact that everything takes so long. For example, when I was found, I'll tell you honestly, I don't want to go back. You had to sit there after you received your sentence?

Three years. Three years. Don't get me wrong, but the worst thing is boredom, that is, they say from idleness, and a good soldier for himself because of That's what happened to me, there's just nothing to do, first you go to courses, read, then you get bored with these people, you look for some interesting people, yes, if they are not around you, you too, that is, I sat, let's say, with cool people, I sat with Rajnareth, that is, Galencapital, one and a half billion dollars, eight hundred million left for him, I sat with Gupta, that is, Chasebank, Rajnareth's accomplice, I sat with Peter Matt, God bless him, he will be released soon.

And who is Maddow? Is there Bernard Maddow? And this is his brother, this is his real brother. There is even a film about him, if anyone wants to watch it, and there is one about Peter, and one about Bernie. And they didn't pay him a penny at all.

Did you abandon your brother? Yeah, we just played poker with them, but I was still bored, that is, time drags on slowly and slowly and this drag and I wanted entertainment in an American prison by the way, cards are officially allowed, this is not ours, yes, cards are allowed, but they are given in a stall for yes, in a stall, gambling no, well, who can prove it, you play for chips, you take, you just tear a piece of paper and you play for chips, but in general, the game is for money, well, of course, you give the money to the stall and the calculations, for example, you lose, let's say, a large sum of 10 thousand dollars, listen, but the biggest ones, well, Fort Dixie, for example, there was a Fort Dixie tournament and even the guards there, that is, they knew perfectly well, but it was a whole gazebo, they collected and well, really, I saw a flop of 30 to 40 thousand dollars, that is, such flops, that is, when it's serious there, well, I think no one needs to be told the flop, yes, that is, how much money is at stake now, yes and well I saw 30 to 40 thousand dollars, totalizators work great too, that is, people.

Bookmakers accept bets on disputes and in fact people are very seriously engaged in this and make good money because usually, for example, I could accept bets. You need a connection constantly, so that you are, for example, free.

Of course, you definitely need a phone, you need a phone and secondly, you need to be trusted, that is, let's say you should definitely have an authoritative article, you should not be a snoop, you should be well known, but, for example, there was a Russian kid Garik, yes, he was also involved in this story, well, he had an income per day, that is, he had an article for ...

He and his uncle stole 50 million dollars in medical insurance in the States, that is, they treated what does not exist, in short, from people, and everyone knew that he had this money and he earned somewhere just on bookmaking, he earned 2-3 thousand dollars a day. Behind bars. Yes, I came up with a great business for myself too. That is, 2-3 thousand dollars a day of course not, but... Is that after moonshine already? After moonshine, yes. We bought a drone, found a pilot and dropped just this drone, also dropped baseballs, attached a claw for American football to it and dropped and these balls were usually stuffed with 2-3 pipes and a standard set of wheels and drugs, everything as it should be and who on the outside stuffs them, let's say, well, this was a specific case, it was a butler's friend, the pilot, that is, he bought it, I financed it all, that is, I financed the drone, I financed the butler, I financed this whole story, yes, but it all paid off in one drone flight.

That is, I sold these pipes one for two and a half, I think one for two, I kept one for myself, yes, that's from the first one. That is, just like that right away, that is, they cost 30 dollars there. You come to Verizon, they give them to you for free, just pay the contract, yes. That is, in America, everything is on credit, yes. That is, you come, you have Motorola, here you go. Well, that is, for a subscription, you sign a contract with them, right?

Yes, that is, there are contracts, there are SIM cards, but even if it's just a phone, let's say Verizon, there is no SIM card, you just pay for the pipe and it turns out that you have some kind of fixed fee, you pay it and thereby pay for the pipe, but at the same time Verizon has the fastest Internet and it has the best reception where nothing else is available. If someone didn't catch it by ear, this is the cellular operator Verizon is written, right?

Yes. Is ATT there? ATT is the biggest, if you compare ATT is MTS, T-Mobile is Beeline, by the way they even have a connection with Beeline, and Verizon is Megafon. That is, it is the most advanced, probably more than Yota, Verizon, because it is CDMA, but in terms of quality and services provided, in terms of the level of training, it is Megafon.

What happens when you lose your phone in prison, you lose time, you are transferred to a more serious prison, and the higher the level of the prison, that is, as I said, low goes next, medium goes next, high goes next, and then USB goes next, well, Max goes super Max, no further, well, USB, and now USB goes max and Supermax.

There are only one or two Supermaxes in America. One of them is underground. Well, that's where the leaders of organized crime groups sit and so on. They even, people told me about prisons, they don't even have one, they don't even see a guard. They go out for a walk, they have an automated door, they don't see who feeds them. That is, they get food, the door opens and they go out. They drive you in a trailer like this, that is, you want a toilet in your cell, but let's say you want to meet with a lawyer, you don't even physically meet with the lawyer.

They just drive you to the TV in this trailer and you see the TV. You need to change your underwear, they drive you. You need to take a shower, they drive you to the shower. That is, they drive you right in this trailer, you don't see anything at all, you have white walls. You need a library, that is, they have the biggest, the best library. And not in these books, they copy them on the bindings there.

Well, it's like in the movie there was a revolver. Yes, that kind of plan, yes. In Supermax they told me that even letters are prohibited, yes, but in Max letters are allowed, but they don't give them to you in your hands, you read them on the monitor. On the computer screen, yes. On the monitor. Yes. That's right. Well, this is for the most notorious criminals, and I was also told that they put them there, not only all sorts of mafia leaders are there, yes, all sorts, but they put them there

manipulators for example you go there trust well to the guards they can bring a machine gun there figuratively and for all sorts of manipulations you get some bad points and in short you are pushed off openly figuratively speaking. Well yes there are leaders of the gang, no there is such a topic, but still in USP it is probably easy enough to get in just enough to be violent yes like a denier yes as we say yes that is to steal the guards there everything and lose your good time and this is a normal path in USP.

How does USP stand for? United States Penitentiary. In USP in principle gangs rule, that is the guards they are not considered to be in power, they come in and if they need something they do, but in principle they try not to interfere with people once again and people try among themselves, that is, this is the most similar to our zone. That is, they try to keep everything peaceful and the gangs try to replace among themselves but you do not have such a thing that you do not just walk around like that.

That is, either you are Latino, or you are white, or you are black, or you are bikers, or you are bludgeons, crips, etc. Ethnic gangs? Well, not necessarily ethnic, but you definitely have to be with someone.
If you haven't sewn a sleeve on yourself, then you'll have to pay someone. If you can't pay just for joining them. That is, if you can't pay, then they'll start giving you all sorts of tasks, they'll tell you, say, to go cut up this guy or something. So, basically, if you get into USP, then it's practically guaranteed that even if you don't get extra time, you'll lose your good time.

Most of all, if you take skin color, what are the most inmates in American prisons? 70 percent black. And Latinos? I can't say for sure about Latinos, but probably 15 percent. And 15 whites there? Yeah, few whites, few whites. Mostly black. Didn't they bother you there, didn't they beat you up?

No, in America, well in America I beat a guy, that is, we threw him off, I had a story, they threw me a flash drive with Game of Thrones and it turns out that for a phone, you can just insert a flash drive into a TV, an ordinary flash drive had Game of Thrones recorded on it, but you have to understand about TV in America, you can watch any TV show, but there it's like for children, that is, there is no 18 plus, yes, there are films there, for example, you can watch Captain America, Marvel, there is Harry Potter, some good films like that, yes, but, for example, there is Breaking Bad, yes, you can't watch it there, because it was not on there, yes. And you couldn't even watch Game of Thrones, because that's where the boobs are, that's all, in short, it's already taboo. It’s very strict there, well, because there are people there, it’s just that in reality, I understand why it’s forbidden, because there are such hopeless people, a black person can sit there, just put it in his pocket and do it to himself.

In the canteen. Yeah, just, well, well, really, he gets beat up for it, you know, but he does it anyway. Because, let's say, he's 30-40 years old, he doesn't give a shit. And what did they send you? Well, this is what happened to me, they sent me a flash drive, I inserted it, that is, a flash drive is inserted into a TV, it's just that no one has one, so, I inserted it, and there's a room like this, you can take an iron and iron.

And I kind of inserted it, watch the episode and iron the uniform. That is, I'm ironing her, I say, I have a date, and a black guy comes in and says I want to watch baseball and sports but sports events always prevail well and it's the same with us yes I say buddy you see on TV it's very serious yes I buddy you see what's going on I say sit down I'm watching an episode sit down and the black guy is just a racist in short yes that is, he would watch Game of Thrones with pleasure yes because well there are several people sitting there but sports events prevail and he comes on purpose and says I want to watch baseball I have the right to do so he wants to shit on everyone pleasure just so and in short I say buddy we finish watching sit down watch with us we finish watching the movie and I say then turn on your baseball he says no I want now you're gay like and he well when they start insulting you you are obliged to give back in short well if you in short well they tell you something and you didn't accept anything that is yes then you agreed with it and they the next time well that is no one will respect you in fact so I just take this iron unscrew it start kill him in the head, in short, with this iron, well, he got it pretty good, and it was hot, they actually even realized what happened, someone pulled me out, the guards dragged me away from there, someone pulled out this flash drive, they even reported it to the guard, they interrogated me for a long time, I sat locked up for three months. In a detention center? Yes, in a detention center. They didn’t even transfer me to another prison, simply. Well, everyone realized what happened, and no one liked this black guy anymore, they sent him away. That is, if a fight occurs, one of the parties is transferred to another prison. That is, two fighters, a very rare case that two fighters remain in the same prison.

Well, were you luckier in this situation? I was luckier, yes, because I was in a good prison. And what are you saying, isolator before kichi, is it you sitting there alone or not necessarily alone, well, we are two, maximum three, this is when there is no space, this also happens, what is the difference, for example, between a kichi cell and your usual prison cell, well, for dixie, for example, it depends, in this regard, prisons are very different, for dixie, for example, in a hut there were 14 people, two-story bunks, 14 people in 7 bunks.

Toilet? No, the toilet is in the corridor. By the way, the Ford was unique. In principle, you can even walk around the barracks from barrack to barrack. There are prisons with 100 people. That is, 50 bunks are separated by a simple wall.

This is an immigration prison. We also had such huts. I usually lived there with 2-3-5 people. Well, such small huts. Well, you make it for yourself somewhere, pay for some repairs there, do some, yes, we called them a stable, that is, well, maybe not for 50, but such a hut for 40 people, there are 20 two-tiered canaries, a stable, well, really like a stable, you go in there, they snore, fart, there is such a terrible smell, well, and I'll tell you more of these unwashed bodies, I just grabbed my head, that is, they put me in this prison by the way, when I started to remember that I was a Jew, yes, they put me in this prison, there are a lot of Mexicans there, and Mexicans have no taboos at all about sex, that is, like, sucking, like, it's normal for them, it's not considered gay, right? A gay is one who sucks, one who gives it to him in the mouth, he is not gay. Well, it is the same with our prisoners. Oh well. Well... I think that if, well, you are being given waffles, then, in short, you and the one who is giving you waffles are also gay.

But if we take a purely, well, scientific point of view, biology, That is, both are homosexuals, one is simply passive, the other is active. But you try, if some not even a thief, but a lawman were sitting with us now, he would cut us up for this here. Because the authorities believe that, well, you in general, that is, he is a rooster, there is a gay, and you just let him suck and you are a normal guy.

This is, this is archaism, it has been going on for centuries, but it is. Well, they have the same thing, that is, I look one day and there I see two forelocks in the soul like this swaying to the beat where I arrived at night I just wanted to go to the shower too I see such nonsense there not guys went to bed and that these roosters just walk just walk and roosters suck, fuck yes yes there are there to negros there are also such, they praise, say, oh, it's just great, you should definitely try it, in short. Here, there is fucking right behind the stall, there we are talking. In short, you haven't tried it, right? No, I haven't tried it.

But did you have any thoughts? Oh, come on, what thoughts, what are you talking about, no, I had, I had thoughts there on the outside, I have girlfriends, chicks, I just had, by the way, that it stimulates very well, yes, the absence of sex stimulates you very well to exercise, because you have... it secretes, well, yes, but you secrete testosterone, you know, you really start to exercise, yes, and at the same time your brain is tuned in too, and you think, chick, here I am to her now, in short, yes, and I just want to do push-ups there, exercise, yes, something like that.

Pike, now a couple of questions about prison and we'll finish about it. What do they feed in American pre-trial detention centers and zones?

So basically it's McDonald's, right? Yes, if anyone wants, I can tell you bop.gov. There's a kiosk there, what's sold in the kiosk. And there's a cafeteria there. And it's very convenient to count calories in an American prison. It says how much you have in your rations, how many calories you have. That is, if you're really into sports. Then you can count very precisely how much you eat Because you have calories on the food packages, you have food with calories and even if, for example, you eat, well, in general, food is like this, yes, the site for those who didn’t understand Vladik’s site Bob dot gov bureau in prizn dot gov it turns out that food in the morning is oatmeal or some donuts, a series, that is, well, granola, some kind of cereal things, and muesli, that’s the kind of thing, corn flakes, as much as you can, milk as much as you can fit, that is, you can eat as many eggs as you want and some kind of baked goods like donuts or cakes or some kind of pastries. This is some kind of common dining room. This is a common dining room, yes, you come in, that is, there is something that just lies on a tray, and there is something that is served to you. That is, this is breakfast, lunch. The first American does not eat soup.

They only consider ramen to be soup. Yes, this is Doshirak. Except, well, this is also called soup. You won't see soup in the canteen. Well, but there are some ordinary dishes. That is, there's chicken, beef, cutlets, some meatballs there. That is, McDonald's, definitely McDonald's, Burger King, there are hamburgers too, fried potatoes, for dinner you can even see steak, roast beef, you can also come across such things.

But there are no questions about the food, right? Lasagne, yes, there is food at the level of a very bad canteen. Is it better in France? It's many times better in France. And drinks? Drinks, please, Pepsi-Cola, Cola, whatever you want. And juice? Well, it depends on the prison. Juice? No. Well, the juice is just artificial, sweet, well, that is, it is not juice, it is called coolate, that is, like we had yupi, you know those juices that are bred, that kind of crap, but in fact in America on average per prisoner, so that you understand the difference between Russia, yes, in my opinion, 28 or 29 thousand dollars a year is spent on a prisoner now, I say, just give these people these 29 thousand dollars, these blacks who are in prison, Yes, they will never rob anyone or break the law in their life, but nevertheless, again, they say, this is business, man.

It is business. And it remains big business. Their prison industry spends more than in America, than our Ministry of Defense. And have you been in a private prison or a state one? I have been in different ones. In a private one, and in a state one, and in which I have not been.

Which is better? They say that in private prisons everything is tough and you are almost a slave, all the juices are squeezed out of you, go to work and quit. They are lying. In private prisons, the guards don't give a damn about anything. In fact, the food is worse, it is clear that the living conditions are worse, but the fact is that due to the fact that the guards don't give a damn about anything... More black?

You just have a flourishing black culture, that is, if you go there with a strong will, you understand, no one will say a word to you, until you just get on everyone's nerves, and in what prisons, in prisons of what countries have you been in Israel, a couple of days, in Israel, a couple of days, well, well, and not even a couple of days, but three months, only in an army prison, that is, when I served in the army, well, I had to be naughty, I also did not agree with the army rules, what did you feel on the day of your release or the day before, in fact, in fact, it is very difficult to describe what I felt, I was released from prison, but after that they sent me to an immigration prison in transit, and there I waited because the Americans considered all my circuses there to be suicide, and with everything else, the Americans considered it dangerous for me to be alone on board a plane from America, so they sent two marshals with me, that's why I flew with these marshals, I threw mud at them the whole way, I told them that they were not such guards, in fact, guards, but they just didn't know how to get rid of me they were glad, so I flew to Israel, I remember, that is, they sent me to Israel. And why to Israel?

Because they allegedly never established Russian citizenship. They are friends with Israel. And in principle, I myself asked to be sent to Israel. I did not know what awaited me in Russia. And how many passports do you have now? Now two. Three more Ukrainian. Russian, Israeli and Ukrainian? Here.

I went out and just got lost at the airport, that is, I need to kind of call, but they gave me a check that about and I can’t cash the check at the Israeli airport, an American one right away and I was just confused about what to do next, I decided to charge my old phones, bought myself a SIM card, nothing worked out for me, in the end I simply begged a taxi driver to give me a ride to the address that I knew of my niece there and arrived, in general, my niece lived first in Israel. In Israel, yes.

Then, when I started to delve deeper into the essence of the matter, started to figure it out, started to understand something, I returned first to Ukraine, then to Russia. At the same time, my revelry did not stop, I continued to have fun, probably for two years. Only recently, somewhere starting in the summer, I somehow began to come to my senses, to start to pull up some connections.

I started, that is, before, people would just write to me there, they would say there, well, come on, come on, well, I just have such a huge number of connections accumulated, that is, even well, just what are these rogna retom and lip you there and all the others worth, well, the guys from France with whom I also sat, that is, just take all these connections and combine them together and you can just feel good for me. I just didn’t care, people wrote to me, I said no. They write, screw it. I want it. That’s it. And only now I’ve started to somehow respond to messages, started to talk, started to write to someone, started to be interested in some destinies.

Well, yeah, you and I couldn't talk for a year. Well, yeah. Well, because I just didn't care, you know, that is. What's changed now? What's changed? Well, I became more attentive to myself, I became more attentive first of all to my feelings, I became more attentive to people. I started listening to people and I started listening to what people want from me.

And I started giving people what they want from me. And in return, I asked them for something too. I just started contacting people. Who is the greatest living hacker? You and I have the same social circle. We know the same people pretty closely. Who is the greatest hacker? You sat with Butler, you know Scorpio, you know Olya. I don't know any Olya. Do

you know Leela? I don't know. Trinity? I don't know at all. I don't get it. It's not his in my heart. Okay, I'll show her this interview. She sent you her regards. Yeah. Oh, by the way. Great. Who's the greatest hacker, probably the one who wasn't caught. I mean, we probably don't know the person who... It's very hard to judge people who... No, well, by their professional skills. That same psycho Skorpa. What psycho? The psycho didn't even know how to install Windows, he kept asking me to do it.

Well, Skorpa lived in my house, I saw what he did. Skorpa, maybe, yes. I consider him the greatest hacker in the world, probably. Yeah, and his brother too. Well, his brother, he's just his younger brother, he also lived in my house much longer than Skorpa. They have a dynasty, yes, a smart one. But Skorpa, he broke everything, he really broke everything. You don't forget that back then the Internet was dial-up, you know? That is, he connects via modem to his server there, somewhere hacked beforehand and already from it carries out with normal Internet.

Listen, well, this is not news at all actually, well, these are standard things, if earlier it was possible to hack more, now also it is possible to hack even more due to the fact that there are much more resources, you know, that is, everything is growing exponentially. Sites, companies, yes. Sites, companies, of course, and in fact there are no things that cannot be hacked, it's just a question of how much you want it and the question of how much you are personally ready for this, you can just sit and find, let's say, yes, well, there are guys, I know very well, there is an Israeli company, yes, we are friends with a guy there called Celebrite, he has a staff of 50 people who are looking for 0d specifically for iPhone and for Android, and these Ziraday, they do not merge for either a million or two and his service is used by garbage all over the world.

That is, Russia, for example, well, Russia does not allow it. And I read about this recently. Well, well, in short, celebrities, I have direct contact with a person, I communicate with him, that is, when I am in Israel, we went there to play tennis, well, like a normal guy, in short, generally an Armenian, a former one, that’s it.

And so he has people sitting there, they are looking for who is the greatest hacker, well, he is the greatest on phones, yes, hack, find somewhere an inject, well, you understand perfectly well, or like Butler, have the perseverance to break a Motorola phone, take, break half of the shops that sell dumps on the Internet in 2015, you understand, from prison, and at the same time, there is constant fuss, guards come and go, write some letters, still communicate, send photos to chicks. Well, Butler is a handsome guy, yes. Butler is cool, yes. Butler is cool. It's hard to say who is the best.

The best is the one who was not caught. Butler was caught and, no matter what they say, Butler was also brought to this. Let them say that he was not a ghoul, nothing. Drugs brought him to this way of life. There is a book about Butler, but it is only in English. It is called Kingpin. An absolutely awesome book written by Kevin Paulson. I'm in touch with Paulson, with Zetter and with Kreps, in short.

Yes, the book is generally gorgeous, so if you know English, read it. And I read Zetter's book about the embryo, namely about Stuxnet. That's how I collect simply autographed books. She sent them to me. I collect autographed books and she sent me from the States.

Can you give me yours with an autograph? I just know how I read your book in a printed pdf well of course you can I called for this and brought it here I called for this and brought it here but I still have all these same ones left with us the shepherd threw all my books in the trash I write let everything work out and the bad be forgotten. Better yet, let's freeze. We'll make a postscript, you know what? Well, except for money of course, because money can touch and God willing, let's say.

Money conquers evil. Without them, it's not so good either. By the way, I tried so hard to the window and efforts. By the way, my birthday is in, Well, tomorrow. How much, 37 years will go by, soon 37. 38. Oh, 38. I remember that we are the same age. And you know what surprised me? I just remember when we first met, well, it was 2003.

Well, 2003, yes. Well, 2003, I think, yes. And I was still very green then, well, a young man, yes, you could say. And you are already a bearded uncle there. And I think, well, about 30 years old, in short. That is, if it was clear to me there that I was 19, right? Well, if you take the two of us, it is clear that I am 19. That is, about you, I thought that you were about 30 years old, and only when you were already arrested there, when I was writing the book, I found out that you were about the same age as me, plus or minus, in short.

And 02/21/2020. Yes, you see, I also tried to write a book, but I didn't have enough patience. So I started writing something. Here. It doesn't need advertising, because it sells well on my site. It's our local meme.

You already know what went I say in this issue there will be no advertising of my book but it is good the first time the first time I read it in pdf and printed on the pages that were sent to me by mail from which they tried to figure out that is, they read all the mail there and they tried to figure out what they sent me there in Russian it was in Russian but not in English no one has it in English on Amazon now. So, guys, type in more. I'm kidding. Are you more of a hacker or a carder?

Well, it's just that the media, yes, TV people, journalists constantly position you as a hacker. That is, as far as I remember, your hacker skills there are not much higher than mine. That is, well, in fact, they can't be compared with either a scorbot or even a psycho. Yes, I don’t know, the question is, look, again, I’ll tell this to people, yes, this is what I wanted to convey, in fact, hiking, yes, it’s more perseverance, yes, let’s say you want to become a programmer, let’s become one now, it’s very easy.

Yes, it's simple, but skill box gig brain sit online, of course, there is even yes, it's just there, let's say more in-depth programming, if you want to program, wear C plus plus there, yes, then you also need to get acquainted with mathematics, let's say vectors, scalars there, everything else, yes, or for example, if you want something superficial, please there, then but Jace there, everything else, then you don't have any at all, well, that is, the Internet, yes, if you have a more creative nature, then please, let's say, php design and everything else, there are no problems with anything at all, that is, the question is just how far you want to go, of course, there are innate skills, yes, well, they say you got to think outside the box when you look at a situation and find some non-standard solutions to it, you understand, but this is already a skill, you understand, that is, for example, I'll give you an example, you want to break this door, you want to open it, well, for example, anyone can open this door, yes, you just need to acquire a certain skill, how to use a master key, Yes, either a key, or a master key, or you can squeeze it from the hinges with a crowbar, that is, there are many ways. Sure, but if you want to, say, break into the door of the Central Bank or the Mint, then you will need much more than that. You must understand how to turn off the alarm and everything else, and at the same time you must have critical thinking to understand how to act in some emergency, you understand? And this is very important.

But how do you evaluate your activities in general? That's why you sat here, what you spent half your life doing, even most of it, the Americans characterized me perfectly, that is, wire fraud, yes, that is, I am a swindler, yes, that is, I committed some kind of fraud, that is, I am a fraud, I am an excellent project
manager, that is, I am a leader and I can assign tasks to people so that they implement something and do something, I am great at this when it comes to, for example, implementing something myself and lately I have been encountering this more yes, well, I do not have a problem doing this but sometimes it takes excessive patience to do this in general, a cybercriminal yes, moreover, and a manager is simply in an illegal environment, well, look, I will just say this yes, I will not talk about specific segments of the Russian market But back in 2017, I very clearly spoke about what is happening in Russia, and what is happening on the Darknet, and how the monetization of some things is happening. And voila, some interesting things begin to appear here, interesting resources that have appeared there.

And some serious teams appear that are behind this, you know. And this cannot but cause surprise, but I predicted this, because there is always, let's say, such a project manager who unites around himself that backbone of people and they begin to move some serious project. So I was recently in Minsk speaking at a conference and my former investigator was there, well, the one who actually put me away, he now heads the Belarusian division of the IB group.

And he says, I say, what has changed since then, he has become less important to you. You were a good manager in the criminal environment, a project manager in fact, I myself do not know how to do anything, but I can find out where to get this, connect one with another, who should be responsible for this and how it all should move. And so he says that now there is a problem with managers. I was not lazy, for example, when I realized, I identified my strengths.

Did you think about this in prison? Yes. I took the time to read a book about a scam, for example, about development methods, yes, that is, well, I just read all this and I realized how important it is, yes, I read, for example, an MBA course, yes, there is a master of business administration, well, all this is not superfluous and I believe that it is simply not to read books, well, if you want, yes, I will tell well to people who are probably watching, if you want to achieve something in life, then start with small steps.

You can't become a hacker, you can't become someone special. You can't. You just have to go for it and you have to approach it. Let's say we're luckier with you, but some people go for it methodically and purposefully.

And the thing is that you just have to start small and you have to start by working on yourself, but first of all, you want to learn hacking, start preparing for it and hacking doesn't necessarily mean that you'll hack something right away, yes, starting to master Kali Linux, let's say starting to master there, well, even if you don't know Kali Linux, if you don't know at all, start fucking learning English, if you learn fucking English, then at least you'll become a normal smart person, you know, then you'll be able to continue and count some literature, and after you read some literature, you can master, let's say, take some English courses and master Kali Linux, you can communicate with Americans or with foreign people and this gives you a really serious competitive advantage, and then you just turn around and look back at this and say, I know so much, why do I need this hacking at all, why should I break something if I can just do something concentrated?

Well, some kind of startup, a startup, yes, just something, you know, and well, you just need to build it little by little, yes, I was lucky, let's say, yes, I started programming and well, basically, there were 2002-2003, well, I started with programming on Carder Planet because all the people who started with me, yes, they had programming skills at the level of a nightstand, yes, I had well, a skill a little higher, at the level of a sofa, let's say, you know, is that why they call you one of the creators of Carder Planet? Yes, because I went and translated the forum from Russian to English.

I went into the script and simply changed the language settings. Here are all my achievements. After that, the script said that I was a smart and very clever guy, and a super programmer, and appointed me an administrator. Then Carder Planet was hacked. Of course, I got a slap on the wrist, but everyone said that nothing happens.

But the script is the owner, the creator, you could say, yes. By the way, where is he? Carder Planet. Everything is fine with him. He sends me his regards. I recently sent him a book, by the way. He doesn't talk to me. In Odessa, he, well, he's already a deputy of Odessa, he was in the Duma from Petro Poroshenko, from his faction, from his party. Now he's not in the Rada, but in this one, in his Odessa, but he regularly appears on TV. He has several local TV channels there.

So, where? And he's involved in construction and other things, everything is fine with him there. Well, great. Well, how do you feel about him in general? I'm happy for him. Well. Listen, I don't feel about him at all, but in fact, if he started promoting his cause, namely his party in Ukraine, well, I've always supported him and I've always really liked him.

Whenever possible, I even made contributions, yes, and his cause seems right to me in Ukraine, because in Russia, well, Russia is too big and in Russia nothing will stand up as it should in the near future, but in Ukraine there is still a lot of hope that some things will acquire the proper color. What was the first crime in your life? What was the first crime, phew, it's hard to remember, it depends on what you call the crime? Well, it's clear that it wasn't in kindergarten, where I beat up some guy there for hooliganism.

Well, I definitely stole money from someone, probably from a wallet. Mom had guests, I was sneaking up on them. So I cut them, in short, a pickpocket, right, a pickpocket? Cut them, yes. Pickpocket, yes. I opened it right there. Well, let's go, so that dreams come true.

Yes. And so that, in short, we never visit a drinking establishment again. Unless we take the kids on an excursion, yes. And the ones that are badly led. No sanatoriums for especially gifted boys. Here, guys, are very rare shots. Drinking Carder vodka. Two Carders drinking Carder vodka. Good. I highly recommend it.

You look somehow normal now. Cheerful and alive. Because this interview of yours, the first one, well, when you were released, well, really... Firstly, you talked nonsense there, right? Secondly, you were there, well, really like a drunkard. Well, you don't care. Your worldview is not formed, you got out, America is bullshit, everything is bullshit, that is, now you are more conscious, everything is normal, everything is smooth, everything is even, and then you got out like that, you know, nailed down.

How much did you earn in total during your criminal career? I don't know in my soul. Well, 5-10, I have 36 million dollars, yes, of which I simply counted how much cash I had, my damage was 36 million, of which 200 million I only have cash, you know, I never counted, the Americans say billions, but I count in the region of 50 thousand dollars, yes, somewhere between 30 and 50 thousand million, how much did I get from that, well, probably 5-6 million, probably so, but divide it by 20 years that you have been in this crime, it turns out to be about 400 thousand a year, well, not really a lot.

Not really a lot, yes, that is what I am talking about, yes, now working, well, for example, choosing a job at a labor camp, yes, I earn 3-5 thousand dollars there, well, this is a commensurate income, and I do not lose anything, yes, besides the fact that, let's say, even if something did not work out for me, I just tell people, guys, Astamanyans.

What is the most important thing in life after release? You may have overestimated some values, what is the most important thing in life, in your opinion?
Self-knowledge, family, your contribution to society, what you can do not for other people, in fact, I do not like people, but what you can do for the planet in general, if in fact all these Bezos, Gates and Ellen and Musk, they are not in vain fighting for the environment, for everything else, because what they do is really the only right thing that can be done. We will not talk about this, I will not call for anything like that, I think everyone has heard about this, save dogs, love animals, this is not interesting.

Just in fact, family, and self-knowledge, and self-development. If you can focus on this and continue to develop and support yourself and your loved ones and keep it all at the proper level, I think everything will be harmonious in your life. At least like in mine, I do not know how harmonious it is. Have you ever analyzed the reasons why you got into crime? What do you mean? What was your childhood like? Where were you born? Listen, it's not us, it's life.

Do you remember the movie? No, I don't remember that one. Brigada or Boomer? Well, you don't remember yourself. Or Brigada or Boomer. It's not us, it's life. It's just the society we grew up in, where we grew up on books, well, I don't know about us, but I grew up on the books The Golden Calf, Ostap Bender, 12 Chairs, Soldier Schweik.

These archetypes of people, they themselves show that smart people, Alibaba, you know, 40 Thieves, smart, resourceful
people, funny, with a sense of humor, they can always prevail over those people who are gloomy, creepy, yes, and even rich, yes, and this in itself projects the image of some kind of swindlers onto us, you know? That is, judging by your maxim, it is better to hide the books The Golden Calf from your children now, yes, or the rest? On the contrary, we need to give them something, because a person should develop comprehensively, and if your child chooses this path, I think it's good, it's one of the paths, why not? I'm all for it.

If a person can be a good swindler, why shouldn't he be a good swindler? You see, I have such a swindler, like a bullet made of shit, because I got carried away by show-offs, and, as we know, show-offs and swindling are not very compatible. You realized this in prison, when you sat with those billionaires, right? Well, yes.

That you're not really a swindler. No, at all. Compared to them? I agree, yes. And what about your parents? Your mother, I think, is posing as Larisa on my Facebook, right? Yes, my mother is in Israel. My father is here, in the Moscow region. You don't communicate? I do. With both my mother and my father, right? Yes, I'm going to see my dad now, probably the day after tomorrow. But they, as I understand it, are not together. To see my mom? No, not together.

They separated a long time ago and never got back together. And is it an incomplete family? I ask almost all the guests. It's just that I had this, it seems to me that it is, but I don't want to hear this, is an incomplete family one of the catalysts for a child's criminal orientation, that he gets into trouble? Yes, definitely, because a child who grew up in a complete family does not need any specific attention.

And the one who grew up, let's say, in an incomplete family, he lacks some part of his personality, which he tries to comprehend in one way or another, it seems to me. It's just that many, most, probably all hackers, carders, our mutual and uncommon acquaintances that we are talking about, most for some reason have incomplete families. It seems to me that there really is some kind of dependence.

There is a connection. There is absolutely a connection. But I can tell you, you see, we can talk about this for a long time here, I will tell you that single-parent families happen, for example, because of the alcoholism of one of the parents, who, let's say, is my sugar daddy, he is a big fan of drinking, and this gene is passed on by inheritance, for example, here. Therefore, perhaps this is also true. It has already been confirmed that this gene is present in individuals prone to some kind of criminal activity and everything else.

That is, the gene of alcoholism? Not alcoholism, but it is called the novelty gene. That is, a new person strives for everything new, he never has enough, he wants to try drugs, be passionate, try, which pushes you, come on, do it, steal, rob, kill, which pushes you to do this.

There are people who are predisposed to this, there are people who are not predisposed to this. I know such opossums who need to be forced to sit down at the gaming table, you're under a gun, and they'll say, what is this, are these cards? I don't need much persuasion. It seems to me that I have this new altigene too, do you know why? Because when I start something in business or in crime, no matter what I do, I don't think for long.

With the YouTube channel, I just start and do it, crookedly, slantedly, badly. You do it as it turns out. Of course, you make some mistakes, but you correct them due to speed. And there are people who will think for a year or two, maybe I should quit my job and start a business? This is a different field. I even have a school friend, we are friends now and communicate, and he doesn't have, he is satisfied, he has a family, a wife, children.

And here he is, working, and I say, let me make you a website, well, let's, in short, make a call center, there, I don't need it, you know, and so, and you won't make him, although he is a good builder, he is an excellent electrician, you know, and he could head this business and somehow, well, manage people, I say, come on, no, I will not do this, and that's it, he doesn't have this gene. But many are satisfied with just being a hired employee. Yes, he is satisfied, yes. I know very serious IT specialists, guys, very serious, who started their own business and not unsuccessfully, but then realized that it is better for them, more comfortable for them to work for hire after all, that they are not businessmen, they are very fucking good IT specialists, but as hired employees.

Well, you see, even, let's say, in hacking or something, yes, either you are a diligent good programmer who sits there, codes, does his duties, understands and approaches it methodically, yes. Or you say, sat, pressed, quickly, found some clever solution, you know, to quickly get around it and once and did what is needed, yes, but it happens that you do not find, that is, people say, I have no inspiration, this is exactly this gene, you know.

What's going on with your personal life, as far as I can tell from your Instagram, you constantly break up, get back together with the women who are next to you, that is, you leave them, or they leave you? I live with a girl I love. But you wrote to me a few months ago that she told you to fuck off. Well, yeah, and then we made up. So you've been together for a long time?

Yeah, we've been together for a long time, we just see each other periodically. The lady from Donetsk for some reason. From Donetsk? Well, she's from Donetsk. Well, she's not from Donetsk. Well, she's probably a freak, as far as I can see from her Instagram. Well, yeah. So you're back together? Yeah, together. And... Well, I think you'll have a family, dude. Right? And what needs to be done to keep you from breaking up again? I just, well, think more about my actions, my behavior.

Well, she'll be watching this. I'm just talking to Vladik, and it seems to me that he's come to his senses, so God bless you, everything will be fine. Your plans for the future? My plans for the future? Well, not touching on family and children, that's clear, you just voiced them. Your goals, dreams? My dreams are to change the world, yes, I've already changed it enough, I think you and I have changed it enough. Not in the right direction.

Well, not in the right direction, it doesn't matter, but then again I think it doesn't matter whether you're a villain or a good person, yes, you left your mark, your imprint, you know, there's such a word, you left it, your mark, and that means that you've already changed, for better or for worse, you've brought something into people's consciousness, yes, I think that you and I have already left a strong enough mark in people's consciousness, and we kind of personify some part of the era, yes, something. Some may say it's bad, some may say it's good, you can call it different words, but it's clear that we did something, yes, and our actions left an indelible mark.

I think it's important to continue this, and it's important to try to continue changing the world. For better or for worse - it doesn't matter, but just change the world, because change is what stirs our hearts, and what makes a person evolve and makes consciousness evolve. Change, not stagnation. It seems to me that here we need to make, not just a remark, that we change for the better.

I think. - Well, let it be changing for the better, but change in general. Strive to change. You don't know, you can say, well, like Zen's theories. You can say that by changing for the better you can change for the worse, you know? Hitler probably also believed that he was changing something for the better, you know? It's just that for everyone the best is for someone the worst, you know? For the Jews it certainly wasn't the best. What did you do, Hitler? - Well, yes.

Shot a man there a woman from rape for her good for parents of that someone shot bad definitely you understand here well a stick is always a double-edged sword that is a stick has two ends okay short blitz quick question there is not necessarily a quick answer you probably read a lot in captivity some book recommend that sank into your soul how you changed your views, consciousness. I will recommend Kim Zetter Come Down To Zero Day. I will recommend.

But unfortunately it is only in English. Maybe in Russian. Not yet. I will recommend reading all the same classics, yes Bulgakov, if someone has not read the Master Margarita. I will recommend again The Golden Calf, 12 Chairs. Yes, in principle, read what you like.

You can read even Games of Thrones, the main thing is to read, not watch TV, just take it and try, turn off this stinking box and pick up a book, an e-reader, even open the Hacker magazine and take it, read, you can even read an old book, well, I read with nostalgia, I can’t even stand any electronic media in this form, and so I take it on a printer, despite the fact that it’s an inkjet, I take it on it, print it out and read this crap and I, well, I just read I already know what’s written there but I have some new thoughts and I want to do something I also read from paper by the way, your favorite movie, I won’t say I don’t really like movies and I won’t say it directly for a discount but in the zone I watched a lot of fresh ones, Games of Thrones Games of Thrones What are your hobbies, interests now or in general from an earlier life?

Hobbies? Again, I try to somehow prepare myself. I’m trying to study now. I really read a lot now and really watch some video courses. Not necessarily paid ones, just regular free courses that you can download in large quantities and just to improve yourself. I read, watch, walk. Basically, that's all. Eat, sleep, rave, repeat.

What do you dream about? I dream of changing the world for the better. Still, a remark for the better appeared. Your biggest mistake in life? Showing off. That is, if I hadn't shown off, yes, everything would have gone differently. It's just that even if I had led the kind of life that I led, showing off ruined me, yes, showing off ruined me. Did

you go to jail because of it or what? I'm trying now, yes, it's not just because of them that I went to jail, well, I don't really regret that I went to jail, yes, that is, of course, an unpleasant event in my life, it's hard to call it pleasant, but showing off definitely doesn't lead to anything good, because modesty is actually much better. Slow and steady wins the race and that's the truth. Yes, that's the truth. How much money do you need to be happy? All the money in the world.
Well, all the money in the world is from such a movie. This is really specific to you. That is, a billion, two, three. A billion, two, three US dollars. US, yes. Or better yet, bitcoin. Why so much? To change the world. I do not strive for politics or any such things. I strive for, rather, for such fame as Elon Musk.

To do something, to change something, to do something good. To make some beginnings, to start something. Like Jobs? Like Jobs, just not to die like Jobs. 55 years from cancer. Yes, it's a pity. Is Putin a good president for Russia? No. Why? Well, I will not discuss it. And who would be better in your opinion? Well, there is no such candidate now.

Well, at least of those who were elected in the last elections, none of the suitable ones are and all this was created artificially. Well, in short, it's all the same story. I think a better president will come soon. Let's hope so. Russia really needs some fresh air, fresh blood. It's simple, all these Soviet mastodons, yes, we need to change.

We need to change them. Soviet? Yes, I'm not saying those, yes, these Soviet KGB guys, committee members, all these moral freaks, who are sitting there, it's time to simply replace them with young, normal guys. I'm not saying people like me. Yes, I'm simply saying, well, change, take and make a 20-year leap. And let them be new people, let them be again, yes, let them say that they are at the trough, let them say that they will steal again.

Yes, let them steal, but they are 20 years younger, and they are 20 years, they are 20 years closer to reality. And you know what, they say, I always laugh at this, of course, they have no experience in managing there, as if any president, when he came to power, he had a huge experience in managing a country.

Well, this is generally, yes, this is stupidity, no experience in managing, what does it mean, well, everyone studied, that's right, when we learn to drive a car, that's right, we have no experience in managing, well, someone becomes a good driver, someone never becomes one, and it is quite possible to tell by a person whether he will become a good driver or not even because he just starts driving. I also have a very strong question when they say who if not him. About Lukashenko, for example, yes, who if not him, damn it, and I will name 30 people I know, but who were there in hundreds of countries of the world who speak several languages and earn legally three to five thousand dollars.

Yes, there are enough people, there are enough, but who if not him? If you do not know, this does not mean that they do not exist. Listen, Lukashenko, well, and Putin, Lukashenko yes, but they really have been sitting around too long, playing too much. I won't say any truisms, I think everyone already knows everything, but it's stupid. Who if not him? Anyone. Here. If you had the opportunity to rewind your life back, say, 20 years, would you change anything? Nothing. I didn't do anything.

Even the show-off? Well, some things could have been cancelled, but I don’t think I’ve lived a dissolute or useless life. Well, I would have probably done something, but there are things that only come with age and, well, wisdom. And, well, you only begin to understand things when you’re older.

You can’t comprehend these things at 20. How’s your health? Excellent. You have a Nordic stance, your dick is erect, your head is shaking. I’m very happy for you. Last question. How many times have you lied during this interview? Do you think I counted? Vladik, thank you. In short, the guys and girls are few in number. We have 94% guys on the channel, 6% girls. We need to fix that.

Yes. The legendary carder BadB was our guest. You’ve just seen the first video in the series. The second video will be about a French prison, about an arrest, the third will be about an American one, and the fourth, probably the final video in the series, will be about the American lawyer Bukh, the well-known Arkady, this is Vladik's lawyer and generally our old mutual friend, so in short, I'm waiting for a bunch of likes and your comments, ask Vladik questions, I will try to answer, I will send him the most interesting ones.
So we are waiting under the comment.

The main prize remains, so to speak, in a black box for now. That is, we are not announcing the main prize, we need a few more days to prepare it, when this video comes out, it will be there, so everyone hugs Vladislav Khorokhorin, aka BadB. Thank you for coming. You're welcome. I was finally catching him for a year. I will definitely come again. Yes, hugs to everyone, thank you. Bye everyone. Bye.