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Interviewer:
Sergey, hello.
Carder:
Great.
Entrepreneurship, school and university years, carding.
Interviewer:
Did you try anything as an entrepreneur at school, did anything, maybe sell something or in another format?
Carder:
I sold, I generally always made money from some sales, resales, or rather resales. I never had my own product, so that I was its manufacturer, for example. But I have always sold something my whole life. And I sold at school, I remember, I earned my first money, probably in the first or second grade, at the bazaar at the market I bought Marlboro stickers. Just small stickers for a diary, somewhere else, a white one with a koboy, there for a ruble, I think, I sold for 10. That is, I didn’t skimp in the gap, well, I always had it before the walrus, that is, well, at least I’ve never traded in my life, I have, I don’t know, 400 percent, probably, at least I’ve always had.
That’s it.
Interviewer:
Not bad.
Carder:
Then I traded sneakers, I found a store somehow, Puma in Minsk at the train station, a good store, they often had discounts, well, and I bought something for myself and resold it at the same time. By the way, it’s inexpensive there. Of course, the goods are like that, you can’t wind three ends on sneakers. I bought for 27 dollars, sold for 33, let’s say. Also inexpensive, but it was enough for me. But then there was the Klondike, the Internet.
Remember the Internet via modems? These are the sounds of dialing.
Interviewer:
Were there PeopleNet?
Carder:
Well, there were others in Minsk. Beltelecom, some others. Slimpack or whatever it was called, I don’t remember, in short. And then, well, the other one was terrible, you dial a modem, it’s 33600 bots, then it was 56 something, Zyxel there were these, some others, iOS Robotics, well, something like that, in short, and you called, it turns out, as I remember you, that’s all, and you paid a lot for this access, there, either per megabyte, or unlimited access,
Well, I traded Unlimited, there were new providers entering the Internet market, and they had really cool offers, figuratively speaking, there was a month of Unlimited Internet for 50 dollars, although if I sit approximately, well, just at an hourly rate, then somewhere, well, 200 came out to me a month, 200 dollars then, this was in the 90s, and for 50 Unlimited, I resold it for a hundred, that is, really easily, well, and there was a line, I just sold it through the newspaper hand in hand.
Sometimes, by the way, I myself hung there at night on these sold ones. Well, so what, I need it too. Sometimes, rarely. But that was a cool, interesting topic.
Interviewer:
Was that already in my university years?
Carder:
Back in school.
Interviewer:
Back in school?
Carder:
Yes, even in school. But the margin was good. And you know, all the goods that I always sold, they had in common that they were... Well, not mine, that is, I was still an intermediary, not their manufacturer. They were quite scarce, that is, so rare, they were easy to sell. And I somehow, well, found them. And also, that I always earned much more on their merger, on their resale, than the actual owners of these goods.
And so I liked this, and I later thought about this topic already in prison, and in general, that, well, probably, my role in life is still an intermediary, some kind of effective intermediary, but not a manufacturer, nothing. And if you used to sell...
Interviewer:
You already started then, yes, well, roughly at such an early stage, like...
Carder:
No, I understood my role not so long ago, but then I resold other goods, all sorts of illegal ones, well, not drugs, of course, but credit cards, counterfeit documents, equipment for their production, credit card numbers, with which you can enter something on the Internet, there, order.
Interviewer:
How did you even approach this topic? How did you get into it, find out, why did you decide to try?
Carder:
Well, it happened by chance, because I was, like, a pretty good child and teenager, law-abiding, straight A's in school, that's it.
Interviewer:
Yes, in my current life.
Carder:
Polite, really, I was already traveling across half the city on a bus in the first grade at the age of 6 to gymnastics by myself. Despite all my law-abidingness, I still ended up in prison, yes, and how did I even slide down, slide down to such a life. On the same forums, sites where I conducted my official activity selling sneakers, there, the Internet, I saw that they were selling... This was a Belarusian computer newspaper board, well, it simply classified, for example, like Rexlist, like Avito is now a prototype.
Then it was on the bulletin boards. And I saw that some credit cards were being sold, that is, it was like, well, I was not interested, but I understood what it was, what the numbers were for, there, other people's credit cards. And then one of my random acquaintances there, well, asked me to buy for him, I bought. And then the price in money was a little different.
Here is the Internet, that I sold for 50, yes, that is, and I earn fifty kopecks on this, let's say. Well, fifty dollars back then was '97, '6, '8, '9, '10, well, 2000. Fifty dollars back then was like now.
Interviewer:
Probably 500.
Carder:
Well, I would say yes. In terms of value, yes. Yes, because in the '90s, with a family of three, we spent, well, 200 dollars on food, that was already living in luxury, like, 100-200 dollars in Minsk for a family of three. Interviewer
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And here for one transaction it's a quarter.
Carder:
The kiosk that stood near the school, those with cigarettes, there, gum, cigarettes, all sorts of small stuff, yeah. Those small businessmen, IPs, they earned a grand a month. That was a hell of a lot of money, actually.
Interviewer:
Yeah, cool guys. So you saw that this was a thing, you didn't get involved yourself, someone asked you to buy it?
Carder:
They asked me to buy it. I bought it, spent a shitload of dollars on it, probably, I don't remember, 300, maybe 600. 600, I think, of my own dollars, that's a shitload for a 15-year-old. I worked hard to earn them, that's it, and then he didn't pay me back. I started to play hard to get, I'm left with this big pack of credit cards, maybe a thousand.
Interviewer:
Oh, that's a pack... Yeah, credit card numbers.
Carder:
No, I know, these are credit card numbers.
Interviewer:
What do you mean, you don’t know the balances? No, I don’t know the balances, but everyone gave them at the time.
Carder:
And I’m left with this pack. And that’s it, I can’t do anything with it. But I was pretty successful in getting them, I haggled there, they gave me a thousand cards for $600, for half a dollar, even less, well, for half a dollar, yeah. And I started entering them, naturally, myself, into online stores with my brother. We tried it once, bought something, some music discs.
Well, discs were good back then, DVDs were starting out, CDs, all sorts of gift sets, Pink Floyd, Deep Apple, you could get them for $40, $90, $20.
Interviewer:
We went to online stores, and used one card after another to pay for some goods.
Carder:
Yes, Baren Saint-Nobel and other Western stores sent them, but they ordered something directly to their home address, because when they realized that there was something more expensive than the goods here, they ordered from all sorts of random acquaintances. And so this trend continued for quite a long time.
Interviewer:
Well, and then they sold the goods, yes, what came?
Carder:
They sold them, or wore something for themselves, left some clothes there, the first perfumes, I remember, by the way, I still bring that shop, but I buy it with my cards. Strawberrynetkom like that. In short, there was some perfume store, a really good one, not all the brands were there, figuratively speaking, Gucci and Chanel are not there, for example, yes, but Hugo Boss is there. I remember I made a card there from someone else's credit card, bought Hugo Boss Dark Blue, it was really durable, I don't know, it lasted three days on my clothes.
And since then, by the way, I love it, and whenever I run out of it, I buy it. It's inexpensive, absolutely, probably 30-40 dollars for a freestoy now, but it's cool. And since then I've found out about this shop, StrawberryNet.Com, Chinese, and I buy it. Well, in my opinion, it's Chinese now, and I buy it there periodically. And this direction of carding, carding is just, well, such a direction of cybercrime, yes, connected with this, well, with cards, from the English word "card".
It's still alive, guys order something, but now it's already difficult, professionals survive there, and a newbie has nothing to do, because in our time it doesn't matter what your IP is, no one monitors it. That is, from an American shop you enter a Belarusian IP, and everything comes.
Interviewer:
Yes, well, it's interesting, there were no messengers, secret forums, VPNs, that is, it was all done, you could say, transparently, if... Well, proxies, there were already proxies, there were already proxies.
Carder:
That is, later, when shops started working worse, it was necessary to connect a proxy. And then it became generally necessary to take a proxy, ideally from the city where the card was from, well, where the cardholder's billing address was from. That's it. And now, in principle, they do it. That is, there you should completely tie up the anti-detect browser, a good proxy, which preferably does not show up as a proxy.
Well, in short, a bunch of all sorts...
Interviewer:
It is not the management that acts, but those who should not do this do it, that is, illegal activity.
Carder:
But it’s really complicated there now, the SSH shell is like that, can you imagine that ideally, yes, they hack your modem figuratively, especially your home Asus router, and they go through it and order something, through your home router you’re sleeping there, you don’t know, and they order something in the store, yes.
Interviewer:
To another card simply using your router?
Carder:
Well, yes, the card, let’s say you live there, I don’t know, in Bangkok, for example, the card also belongs to some Thai from Bangkok, and they just, yes, they need the address of this particular city.
Interviewer:
And they can come because you bought it through my router? — They can come, yes. — And can they come to me?
Carder:
They can come, but nothing will happen, most likely. You’ll say, I don’t know the main spirit, do you want him to take the router for examination? Well, they will take it, yes. They'll see that it's hacked, there was firmware there. - I haven't heard, I wonder. - Well, that's rare, yes. But if we consider a situation that can happen, yes, that happens and has happened. And just like, I don't know, I'm from my neighbor's Wi-Fi, yes, it's very easy to hack Wi-Fi there.
I'll go there tomorrow, I don't know, I'll write to 100 Russian schools and government institutions that they're mined. And, of course, they'll come to him right away. They won't just come to him in 5 minutes, they'll come. - They'll take him out with the door. - Yes, they'll sort it out later, of course. That's why I did some of this carding of things. Well, it was a bit of a joke, because it's really hard.
I'm so impatient, and you had to sit there and then proxy it. Well, in short, set it up, write it down. That's how I typed it in there. Ah, it went through, they sent something. Well, cool, they didn't send it.
Interviewer:
It might work, it won't work.
Carder:
And the number of cards allowed it. And one card cost then, I don't know, a dollar or two at retail, maximum.
Interviewer:
And could it bring in money on average?
Carder:
A lot. I don't know what records the guys have there, I have a personal record, I entered 9999 dollars from one card. I remember, even the bank Merrill Lynch, I think, went bankrupt just now in the mortgage crisis of 2008. Merrill Lynch, it was Visa Signature, really good.
Interviewer:
It was probably purely a credit limit, right, roughly ten?
Carder:
Well, I think it was much more. I just bought some kind of vulnerability scanner on the Internet, software, I paid 9999 dollars for the software.
Interviewer:
Were those the prices for software back then?
Carder:
Yes, they were, it was some year I paid 2000, probably in the third year, it was a vulnerability in RDP, in repairs, well, in short, in remote control of a computer through Windows. And so someone quickly got busy, wrote scanners, yeah, well, that's all.
Interviewer:
And so that it would be possible….
Carder:
So that it would be possible to scan the network ranges where this vulnerability is open, and simply hack millions of computers en masse, well, networks preferably, that is, no one was interested in a single room for this. An office. Yes, yes, networks, corporations. But back then, you see, back then a lot was hacked simply, But back then there were no lockers, ransomware programs, blackmailers, like now.
When they hack a network, by the way, this is with American law enforcement, if earlier they fought carders, with us most of all, now they fight these Ransomware guys, because many of them are unprincipled, they verbally declare that we do not lock hospitals and so on, and we do not lock our own, there, the Russians, they lock everything. Maybe not as simply as purposefully, but they do it all, naturally. And that is why, in principle, few people like them, even among the professionals of the cybercrime scene.
Well, because it's, well, it's like, these are very serious guys, very serious. I know many of them, like, we correspond sometimes, but... Well, it's just such a nightmare, you know, and, in this hospital, figuratively speaking, your father could die tomorrow, or your child, figuratively speaking, or you, that's it. Well, this is just an isolated case, but it's really seriously punishable by RNSMW. Yes, and there was no crypto. And if back then we hacked something to steal something from them, there, some files, credit cards, or through them, again, to hack further, yes, so that their final IP would be visible, and not yours, that's how Shell was used. Now, whoever hacks a network will, naturally, encrypt everything and demand a ransom in bitcoins or another crypto. Therefore, cybercrime, in principle, is evolving. All the same schemes that were before, they still exist, they just become more difficult for beginners.
Take PayPal, for example, yes, everyone has been hammering PayPal for years, decades. There, it happens that their antifraud is, of course, very twisted, but it happens, they have months, they just let them go, and then everyone hammers, who is not this. There are also PayPal refunds, and there are all sorts of themes there. And Brute Force PayPal, and when they set weak passwords, your brute force, your stick for brute force or everything, they took out all the money. Simple selection. Yes-yes-yes. And before, well, why were computer networks also needed, yes, because you use many computers in the search, so brute force was better than other networks.
And there were also networks, not every one and it was even necessary to use. Networks were selected, where, firstly, ah, there were many computers, and secondly, the most important factor was fast Internet. That is, you look at what speed the network connection is.
And then that's it, and now take a server with some clean video cards, it has brute force, that is, well, like you do, like all mining, that is, mining essentially just calculates, it can also pick up passwords there, what difference does it make to it.
Interviewer:
Pick up hashes in the blockchain or a password?
Carder:
Absolutely the same action. But at the same time, it's cool now that you see all sorts of startups appearing, scientists are already getting a little closer to miners, finding some common ground, so that when they install this equipment there, or something else, so that it can directly make a payload, that is, decipher the genomes of some viruses and so on. That is, this is also all computing power.
Interviewer:
Well, yes, it's like united supercomputers in fact.
Carder:
Therefore, cybercrime was, is and will be, it is transforming. From the latest schemes, when there was covid in the US, a lot of people received money remotely, and businesses received it remotely, well, you know, payments like that, well, the government just gave them some money to live on, yes, and it gave it to entrepreneurs, it gave them a decent amount, like 20 thousand dollars, well, and accordingly, all the Chinese, in short, in this scheme I read, they stole, in my opinion, more than a trillion dollars, that's a lot of money.
Interviewer:
And did it come to their account or somewhere?
Carder:
Well, in short, the lion's share of this money was stolen by the Chinese, according to statistics, the Russians are in second place, that is, the Russian share of 400 billion dollars went, well, that's a lot, yeah, it was necessary there, you make, like, a duplicate of the identity, you open an account somewhere, I don't know all the details, but you had to buy it there additionally, date of birth, that is, find, well, social security number, all the data, that is, date of birth, ideally, addresses and everything else, the USSR, and you make, well, like, a second, well, just a clone of it, like we cloned credit cards back in the day, you clone a person's identity in the same way.
And how exactly did they pay there, to the account, most likely, to the account, well, like, they opened, maybe, accounts in banks, remotely, most likely. They definitely opened them in neobanks, you understand?
Interviewer:
The scale is, of course, total.
Carder:
That is, in Payoneer or in this one, in ICER, currency, N26 and other neobanks, please. That is, they, yes, KSC did not exist then, only now these circles started to appear. Yes, I just opened WISE, I opened it there without any problems on a different FIO. Well, on my own, I just have several passports, and mine are written slightly differently. And, by the way, there is such a joke with KSC, I can’t, there are not many of them in the world, Anfida, SamSap and there, in short, 3-4 companies that do this verification by face.
And I have such a crap, I myself can’t go through Sabovsky anymore, it says, go to hell, because I went through on a Belarusian passport, my Sergey is written there differently than others in the passports Sergey, and there Si Arkhey and the surname Pavlovich there Paulovich. And she, in short, wrote me down like that, you know, some time ago, and when I now give her another passport, my own, yes, just with a different spelling, she, in short, screw it.
That's it, she says, you're not getting through, I can't do it on Baybit, I'm using my wife's account, I can't get verified.
Interviewer:
If she just knows, well, yeah.
Carder:
They wrote back to me and said, well, let's go to this link, well, the same thing. I said, well, as you wish, I said, well, I'm a web client, that is, I'll start you for half a million, but if you don't want me to be your client, I told you that this nonsense doesn't work in my case. I even explained to you why, most likely, it doesn't work. Well, you don't want it, well, suck it. Bybit, hi. Although Bybit, by the way, is very convenient for trading, much more convenient than Binance. I don't know who created Bybit, Russians or non-Russians, who the owner is.
But, in my opinion, for trading, I'm not that sophisticated, but I've seen some exchanges, traded.
Interviewer:
It seems to be Chinese, but who knows.
Carder:
In short, it's very cool for trading, namely in terms of features, in terms of capabilities, it's just awesome.
Interviewer:
I won't argue. Binance blocked me, so Bybit is good. This stage in life, let's call it, with carding, did you do anything else in parallel? That is, as I understand it, you didn't really like it, you didn't take it very seriously. And did you do anything else? White or additionally not white?
Carder:
I didn't do anything, because in carding your time is constantly, well, you are constantly busy. It, you know, it turns into such a good lifestyle. You have enough money, at the peak I was already earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a month. Well, I sold cards, I didn't do anything myself, I sold specifically these non-electronic numbers, you can buy something somewhere on the Internet. And we were already making normal physical cards, counterfeiting them.
And cards with PIN codes happened, often. Then you just withdraw all the cash from an ATM. That is, it was the highest, so to speak, aerobatics. They were rare, we came across them quite often, but in general they were rare on the market. Back then, a PIN code was not needed everywhere for purchases. And there were frequent cases when he would write down someone else's dump, well, this is the information from the magnetic strip of your card.
It is slightly different from the one we pay for on the Internet, because the dump has a few more encrypted digits, like access to your bank account for an iron machine, this is for a post terminal or an ATM.
And we even wrote down, I sometimes wrote down these dumps, an encoder, such a device was used, well, there, it cost a thousand or two dollars, well, two at once, and then cheaper, a thousand, and now, probably, about six hundred dollars, I wrote it down on all sorts of discount cards, and right in the stores there were funny cases, there, well, expired Visa cards, all sorts of Diner's Club cards, or American Express, Visa Dump, for example.
They have a difference, the master starts with a five, the first digit is always, the master card is a five, Visa has a four, Amex has a three, DineSlab, I think, has a six, JCB is also there, in short, they have some of their own digits, but this is Amex three, Visa four, master five, this has always been and is, and probably will be, so you write it down, go to the store, they say, so your card is made of glass? You say, no, it’s fine there, they extended it, like, that’s it. Or they say, but this is not a visa, we say, yes, it’s a visa, well, so where is the logo, the hologram, the logo?
Well, they almost always did it, everything was fine there, but sometimes it wasn’t quite fine. Then you had to tell some kind of fairy tale so that they wouldn’t call the police right away.
Interviewer:
Did you go there physically yourself or did you send someone?
Carder:
Well, we went ourselves, at first you just go there yourself to test the topic, to see what the pitfalls are, how they look at the quality of the card, find fault. Or just recorded it on a left-hand blank, yes, some old lady there, I don’t know, some foreigner, to ask if she had documents, they asked about expensive purchases.
And it was necessary that, you know, they formally needed the name on the documents and on the card to match. Well, that you didn’t find someone else’s, but specifically, like, your tablet. Well, then, that’s why they started counterfeiting documents on the market. We then counterfeited all of this ourselves, too. We bought it right away, then counterfeited it ourselves. And I started a carder forum on the Internet. And I had these... There were all sorts of sellers and Bulgarians who made it for me. In short, I had a pretty good marginalist there too. They made me, let’s say, a set. Well, it’s a German passport, it turns out, foreign.
SVASI has this ID, there’s an internal card, like a license. And the rights, and France, there Germany, for example. I paid for them, I think, 300 euros or something per set, and sold them for a thousand, one and a half thousand dollars. That is, I had a real gap there.
Interviewer:
And aren't there holograms or could they be used somewhere outside the countries, but inside it would be immediately detected?
Carder:
Documents?
Interviewer:
Yes, like a license, ID.
Carder:
Well, we didn't sell them at all. Well, we immediately said that it would be kind of scary to cross the border with them, yes. But I have had people travel on these more than once, but they traveled, you know, mainly within the European Union, where there is this green corridor, where, well, they sometimes looked, yes, but there it’s not so much, yes, that is, mainly for this, that is, so that someone could fly directly under a compass, I don’t know, from France to the USA, well, it’s unlikely, I think it’s some kind of crazy fighter, well, and again, even if we assume that he’s really good,
Well, an ideal passport, yes, well, France, from France, of course, well, in France it is better never to show it to anyone, because, I don’t know, the border guard, it seems to me, knows by touch how many verses are stitched into the original passport. That is, it is better not to do such weird things at all. Well, in general, everyone who is engaged in the sale of counterfeit documents, different ones, printed, re-glued, corrected, well, they all kind of recommend it. Well, you have an Israeli passport, but it is better to go to Israel in general.
Never in your life enter with it, because with your Ryazan mug, Yes, the border guard will ask, say la haim or something, well, that’s it, and you immediately….
How I ended up in prison, a trial.
Interviewer:
And it is better not to get involved with cards, or documents, or anything else counterfeit, that is, sooner or later it will definitely lead to something bad. We've just reached an interesting point. You have hundreds of thousands, one thread, then another, everything is going well. Well, I think it's a very interesting, vibrant life from the point of view of being able to satisfy your desires.
Well, I'm still 20, even younger. And my age is just so dynamic. Did you have any background anxiety or thoughts that they could follow you or take you? Because the time was different anyway, the level of noise about such things, I don't know, it seems to me, was almost nonexistent, unless you were really into it.
Carder:
Well, remember yourself at that age, the sea was knee-deep, it didn't matter at all, you didn't think much. Well, I thought, yes, that somehow something could happen somewhere, well, not about prison, but I was putting money aside for a rainy day. More precisely, you know how, it’s not that I even saved, it’s just that there was so much of it that I spent much less, and I managed to save, probably, 90% of my income.
And at the time when I was accepted there, I had, well, such a stash, there, 200-300 thousand dollars saved up, and this money really, well, really helped somewhere to get less than I should have, yes. But in Belarus it’s just extremely difficult, let’s say, because there are countries, yes, where the law works, there are countries where corruption works, the law doesn’t work.
So, in Belarus the situation is complicated by the fact that the law doesn’t work, you can’t say that you violated, well, that’s not it, that’s not it. Let’s all parties comply with the law, and not only criminals, citizens, I mean, but also investigators and judges, everyone should comply then. You are one of us, we are one of us. But that's not how it works there, and you can't solve anything through corruption, because the management company scared everyone there, and it was somehow difficult to resolve the issues, really difficult, and, well, it was necessary to really twist and turn, that's it.
But those who have relatives who are high-ranking officials have managed to solve them, and they still manage to do so. I saw, I saw, when the prosecutor general comes in, there, and pulls a guy, his relative, out of my cell, an hour later he leaves, is generally released, well, I saw, yes. Well, in general, squirrels, such issues have practically never been solved and are not being solved.
Interviewer:
How did this moment happen? When approximately? Or is it a long story, several times?
Carder:
It is, yes, quite a long one, but I was already living in Ukraine, because in Belarus they somehow left a lot of traces there. I sold cards to them right there in Belka. Well, you know, they broke the rule. You can’t work on crime where you live. Not only in the city, it’s not even desirable in the country. And I sold some cards there, they somewhere later, when they accepted them, they mentioned my last name, there was a search of my place, but they didn’t find anything, although I no longer lived there in the country, but I was already kind of on everyone’s lips.
Then I had some other guys as accomplices, we bought, we really needed to make some money, and we bought with fake credit cards, there was almost nothing to buy in Belarus, there were no post-terminals in stores, you understand? That is, for cash, please, but cards weren’t developed yet. And, figuratively speaking, in the whole of Minsk, there were 10-20 points for two million, where you could buy something with a card, watches, something else.
And we bought groceries, really well, they were sold well later. Well, what kind of liquid ones, like cigarettes, vodka, there were places to sell them, basically, for practically the same money. And we, yes, once, in a car, straight from the bank, we took a car from a friend, a real cash-in-transit car, and bought 2 thousand dollars worth of vodka, cognac, cigarettes. And we loaded it right into this car, imagine.
Cash-in-transit in color. We were completely freaked out. The security guard simply copied us. The security guard copied us. This was the European experience. The Belarusian store was so big. And that's all. And then, when some claims came there on the card, he said, young people were going. I saw that you spend money left and right, that you buy a lot of things, you pay with a credit card, and so they loaded it into such-and-such a bus.
The head of the security service, he even wrote down the number with great care. Well, and that banker from whom we took it, although he knew who, what and to whom, and why he was giving, but he, naturally, oh, no, no. Well, my accomplices said that in general, and I just left, lived in Ukraine, and they were accepted there in Minsk, and they generally gave up the whole situation, that, oh, yes, we were shopping, but we didn’t know that the card was fake, it was all him, it was all him, you know, although they were there... They
were in the know. And then, when they caught me, somehow, well, there, some Ukrainian bandits set me up, I already, in short, left from there. A long story, it’s written there in my book, the link is in the description. And I left from there, and the squirrels, in general, accepted me, and what was there, they gave me how much? Two and a half years.
Interviewer:
You came back to Belarus from Ukraine because of the Kiev and, well, Ukrainian bandits.
Carder:
And they accepted me after six months, I think.
Interviewer:
So, not at the border for another six months?
Carder:
No, it seems like it all comes down to the fact that... Well, there were just people there to decide, there was the banker and my accomplices, it seems like the case is on the back burner, it's lying somewhere in the archive. And it seems like it all comes down to the fact that my stepfather turned me in, that he really didn't love me. He turned me in to the KGB.
Interviewer:
And did he know everything or did he suspect?
Carder:
Well, there was some guy somewhere who was digging something, you know, he dug something up somewhere, heard something somewhere, maybe some conversations with my mother somewhere. Yes, but the irony of fate is that we were then sitting in neighboring cells, yes, he never had any connection to the criminal world, but he strangled a man while drunk. And that's it, and he was sitting in the cell next to me, he saw her by chance in the corridor, and I said to one cop, well, here's a two-ruble note, in short, I need him to get into my cell.
So, he says, no, so what, not for any money, because he obviously understood what could await him, and he, he says, from the first days he signed up with the prison director and wrote that he had a conflict with you, so that under no circumstances, even accidentally, should we cross paths anywhere, so excuse me, but no, your request is denied. And that's it, and they gave me 2.5 years.
Interviewer:
And what were you accused of, under what article, of what?
Carder:
It was 212.4 of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Belarus, it was, in short, there were two articles, one 222, this is counterfeiting of payment instruments, that is, not counterfeiting money, for counterfeiting money directly. One article is for counterfeiting securities, the second I had for payment instruments, well, like credit cards. And the second article is theft using computer equipment, because you make a card using computer equipment.
A post-terminal is, in fact, also computer equipment, and ATMs, they are connected to computer networks. So theft, yes, the fourth part directly from 6 to 15 articles was serious, especially grave. It is really hard to break away from such. But the prosecutor says that some of the episodes were completely left-wing. And she says that I do not see, it was not proven in the courtroom that these are their episodes, their groups.
And my accomplices shout, yes, these are ours, ours. Well, you know, it's like this, you've already decided more or less, you know that you're going home, you've been asked for three years of chemistry. That is, well, it's a penal colony, in short. They asked for three and a half years of imprisonment there, the other part was no longer from six to fifteen, at the initiative of the prosecutor, but from three to ten. And they're asking for three and a half for me, for them, three.
Well, and you, damn it, are going home tomorrow, well, why the hell are you shouting now? They just rejected the episodes, yeah, well, which give us all six to fifteen.
Interviewer:
Strange approach.
Carder:
And you, well, like, right now, all of us, all of us today have from three to ten, And no matter how much we don’t have to shout that we disagree, give us back from six to fifteen, can you imagine, fools. That’s all. And yes, well, we were lucky, the prosecutor was okay, and the judge, in principle, was probably okay.
Interviewer:
And there was still disappointment.
Speaker?:
We were lucky without any special...
Carder:
There was still disappointment. What kind of plan? They asked for 3.5, and you know, as a rule, the court gives the same amount as the prosecutor asks for, or less. Well, that’s the rule. It’s everywhere in the world, plus or minus, an unspoken rule. But the prosecutor asks, it’s like the state, it asks for five...
Interviewer:
Like he’s always a maximum of an ordinary one?
Carder:
Well, not always, it varies, but he asks for five, but why does a person need ten? That is, the state prosecution will be satisfied with a five, maybe a four, so they either give the same or less. This is an unspoken rule all over the world. And here, it turns out, they were asked for three, I am 3.5, as the organizer of this whole action, they are given 3, well, chemistry, consider house arrest, and they give me, 5 imprisonment. And it is so rare when a judge gives more.
Yes, they gave me 5, like, well, a year later an amnesty came out, they cut a year off me, like 4. But still, like, it is unpleasant. Of course, I tell the lawyer, what the hell. She says, like... Well, of course, she was just justifying herself, that she could not do something there. She said that if they had given 3, then the higher prosecutor would have 100% appealed, and you would have received 10. But like this, they gave more than they formally asked for, there is no reason to appeal.
I don't know how much of it was true and how much was fiction, but that's the fact. And to be honest, my jaw dropped. Because I had one case with these accomplices later, and one where and alone. Namely, making cards. And I had this judge, you know, well, another prosecutor, and so he, the prosecutor, in short, came across such a goat, he died recently, yes, in the kingdom of heaven, there was just, in short, this happened, this was, you know, the son of this, Yermoshina, this is the chairman of the Central Election Commission of the permanent Belarus, yes, and, in short, the dude asks for 8 years for me, and the same judge.
I think, listen, if she gave me an A with three and a half, what will she give me now with an Eight?
Interviewer:
And all this is added up on top, right?
Carder:
It can be, in short, if you have some serious articles in your composition, it, in short, in my case it could no longer be an absorption, it could only be partial or complete, even at the discretion of the judge. In my opinion, partial in my case. But in general, I understood that they could give me a normal sentence now, I thought that I would hear ten, considering the unpredictability of the judge, when she gave me 5 with 3.5, I thought that now it was 8, and now I would get 10.
No, it worked out, she gave me a year, what was taken off me under the amnesty, she added. That is, I got 6 clean, and minus a year, in short, 5 clean. Clean 5 years. And I was 21 years old then.
Interviewer:
At 21?
Carder:
Well, already at the time of the 22, well, I had already spent a lot of time in prison, and then another amnesty. In short, out of that six-year term minus, I ended up serving 2.5 years under the amnesty.
Interviewer:
2.5.
Carder:
But still 2.5. One of my accomplices was not even in the pretrial detention center alone, he was there until six months before the verdict. But they went home, well, no matter. But it didn’t teach me anything, that this was my first term. Then I ended up behind bars a second time and was released. In principle, I had money, yes, some there, quite a lot. I didn’t have to get involved in crime.
Interviewer:
That was after the first one.
Carder:
Start some kind of business of my own. Well, and I got out, made a few deals with some old clients, there, selling cards, somehow restored connections, dug up new channels, well, and then other people were already doing this, I was no longer doing this at all, I was building some kind of personal life for myself, trying some businesses, that’s it. But I have done several deals with an American special agent, they have a tactic, they used it successfully against the Italian mafia back in the 70s.
You know, tactics, they are like, well, why touch these small fry, of which there are countless in any criminal environment, be it on the Internet, be it in real life, in any country. And they prefer, as it were, undercover agents, that is, they introduce their agents into groups, into cartels,
Interviewer:
Who really for a long time, with trust.
Carder:
Drugged for years, sometimes decades. Yes, and in our environment there were also such who did not show themselves as agents at all for 3-5 years. There were even cases, not with me, but with the guys, when they went on vacation together, there were not even arrests, although there was already evidence, in principle, but there was already something to arrest for then, but they were not.
Interviewer:
They hatched.
Carder:
Yes, and we also had such an agent. I thought he was one of my best customers, but he was a US Secret Service agent. He bought cards from us a lot with his brother Mindward. He bought everything from us many times. Ryan, hi.
Now he works at Macy's or at Target, the head of anti-service security somewhere, yes, and that's it, and it turns out, here they take me for the second time in Belka, they're giving me 10 years for this, for everything, they're asking for 14, I'm the only one on the case there, I'm the only one, but I'm, in short, the leader of an organized crime group with unidentified persons, in short, yes, and they give me there another interesting fact, that, considering that I was hanged by an organized crime group, the organizer and so on, they couldn't legally, according to the Criminal Code, they couldn't give me less than 11.4 there somehow.
In short, they should have given me 3.4 from the maximum, 15 at most, that is, they should have given me 3.4 from the maximum, that's the minimum. For me, it was the minimum, that is, not from 6 to 15, but from 11.4 to 15 I had. But they gave me 10, that is, the judge doesn't even know the laws, you know, to what extent, at what level. And, well, I understand that it was a mistake, 10 was way too much, I didn’t expect to hear so much, of course, well, just a relapse, a previous conviction that hadn’t been expunged yet, everything piled up there, plus, well, he’s not teachable, yeah, well, if he’s a fool, let him sit for a while, maybe he’ll get smarter, well, that’s what happened, in general, and I understood that it was a mistake, but in my favor, and, naturally, I kept a low profile during the first year, quieter than grass, well, I didn’t go to the courts, not to the prosecutor’s office, not to the court, because according to Belarusian law they have a year to correct any mistake.
But if a year has passed, they can’t fix it at all, they can’t do anything that will make my situation worse, that’s if a year has passed. That’s why I waited a year, then I wrote. I wrote them complaints, I said, do you know what I wrote? Well, I understood that no one would give me anything, a term, but even so, they kind of gave me less than they should have. I wanted the organizer of the organized crime group to be removed from me, because it could prevent me from applying for the next amnesty, so that they would cut a year off.
And I write them a good, reasoned complaint on 6-8 pages, I say, well, it doesn’t seem to be a little bit, I say, basically, you gave me less than this, so now just remove this wording that’s bothering me.
Interviewer:
And you didn’t violate anything.
Carder:
Yes, and it turns out, yes, because of this, your sentence is not within the framework of the Criminal Code, well, it’s also kind of unfair. But they answer me, I write eight pages, they write eight lines, like, there, Sergei Alexandrovich, sit and don't lie, like, be glad that we, well, there, you know, it's not written, but you understand that between the lines, you read, yes, we made a mistake, but we made a mistake in your favor, be grateful for that, sit and don't lie,
that's about it. And I realized that, well, I probably should sit already, like, And I've already exhausted all my attempts, plus or minus all my early releases. And I realized that... Well, of course, I was worried. I had a girl there, I loved her very much, 10 times more than myself. And of course, I wanted to somehow get out of there early, because 10, well, a lot.
I wrote my book.
Carder:
And then, when I had essentially exhausted all attempts, I even wrote a book, well, because...
Interviewer:
Did you write it there?
Carder:
Yes, I did, and it came out while I was still in prison. All the cops were freaking out there, like, how could that even happen. And everything was written online, it was handed over to the publisher. It came out, and I was still in prison after that. It came out, I think, in '12 or '13. I was just released in '16. And I wrote, first of all, it was cool, like a diary. You know, I was escaping from the harsh reality of prison into my own fucked up places. That's all, and I wrote. It was a really cool way to spend my time.
Plus a lot of useful stuff. And it's like a really cool book came out. Without any unnecessary fluff. I'm collecting reviews. I started not so long ago, about two years ago I started collecting what people wrote to me about it. I have about 700 reviews on my site, all screen shots. And all of them are very positive, and, firstly, they teach in many law schools, in Belarusian ones, almost all of them, probably all of them, yes, and in the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and in civilian universities.
And then some videos from my YouTube channel are shown in all sorts of places, in chemistry, there, in Belarus, yes, about drugs, and wait and see what happens. And in every zone, in every prison, it is now there, my book, but many places have banned it, but it’s not that my book was banned, but they simply banned any fiction in Belarus, for example. Many political ones, you should suffer, you shouldn’t read newspapers in the toilet.
Well, and something like that. And in the end, I wanted to write a book so that I would immediately think, well, as if I understood that according to the law, no one would release me earlier on complaints, I wrote a book so that somehow, when I would file a petition for pardon, I would file it in the end, to give it some more weight, more notoriety, so that this request of mine would at least somehow, no longer reach Lukashenko, of course, but reach the presidential administration and remain unnoticed.
Already yes, yes, no, no. They answered me completely, as if they had not read, of course. And I realized that I had tried all attempts at early release, exhausted them, or rather, and I do not have the opportunity to go out the gate tomorrow, but I suddenly had a whole bunch of free time that I could spend on something useful.
Interviewer:
That is, in any situation, find how you can apply yourself.
Carder:
Well, yes, but this, you know, turns out that you are immediately swimming against the current. But I do live now, this is probably an Eastern philosophy of life in general. When you find yourself in some negative situation, well, of course, you don't have to sit there like a sucker, or like a fish, waiting to be killed. No. I think you have to do everything in your power to try to fix this situation. In principle, everything can be fixed, except death.
To fix the situation, to try to free yourself, I don’t know, to compensate the victims for some damage, your health, if you were in an accident. Well, in short, you need to fix the situation you found yourself in with all your might. But if, like in my case, I tried everything, all the methods available to me, absolutely everything, except for escape. Well, escape in that situation is already pointless, because they will give you more than what is left to sit.
And if nothing worked out, but I could tell myself and now I can say that my conscience in terms of attempts is absolutely clear, I used everything, absolutely everything, then all that remains is to simply accept this, let’s say, as a will, I don’t believe in God, of course, but as a will, let it be the higher powers in relation to you, and understand what you are needed for. You are deprived of pure freedom of movement, but you are not deprived of the freedom to think, dream, analyze, which leads you to prison time and time again, in my case, this is exactly what happened time and time again.
To dream, to compose some, to write books and read, books, hundreds of books, thousands, in the case of some, and to make some plans for the future, even business plans, which I am now working on, and have implemented much of it. That's it, I relaxed then, I served out several years there.
Interviewer:
So the full term, right, the second one?
Carder:
Well, almost the full term. It turns out I had 10 years, they took 2 years off my sentence under amnesty, and, in short, I served 7.5 years in total. I was able to, well, that is, they took off two years under amnesty, it turns out, yes, they would have taken off more, but I just, since I had an outstanding previous conviction, I was not eligible for amnesty for five years. That is, ideally, if not for this, I probably would have caught not two amnesties, but four.
But, again, it wasn't the fact that it caught me, because in the zone too, in normal zones and mobile phones, etc., somewhere you were caught with it, that's it, a violation, you don't qualify for amnesty. That is why on the whole it turned out not bad, but I sat for 7.5 years, and then 2.5. In the end, I have 10.5 years behind bars, and I was released, and I realized that I don't need this. This carding leads me to prison time and time again, something goes wrong.
And they ask me, like, behind bars, do you know how much money you had? Well, these crosses, collective farm ones, they ask. You say, well, I earned a million 200 dollars in my career as a criminal. They're like, oh, for that kind of money I'd sit there my whole life, well, I'm not ready, excuse me, yeah, if you haven't been caught, well, great, you have a million 200 dollars in your pocket, there, at 20 years old, there, everything's great, it's like now, I don't know, five million, well, everything's great, and when you're caught,
you divide it by 10 years, you get 120 thousand dollars a year, well, like, excuse me, they say, like, for some, well, I'd sit there for 10 years, no problem, But I'm not ready to sit for a year for 120, excuse me, yeah, ten months.
Interviewer:
Completely different. How much time did you have between stints on the outside?
Carder:
Well, a little less than a year and a half. It's embarrassing to even talk about it, to be honest. Well, that's how it happened, and that's it. And after that I realized that I wouldn't have a life in Belka anyway, yes. That is, they would keep an eye on me. Moreover, there were corrupt cops there, they tried to pressure me to work under their roof. It's a long story. In short, they ended up going to jail themselves. By the way, I talk to some of them. Well, you know, I say, you're already gangsters too, well, that's it.
That is...
Interviewer:
On the other side.
Carder:
Yes, one was recently tried, my investigator, by the way, in the second case he was recently tried in Belarus for extremism. For elections, rallies and all that. Well, for me, these are indicators, to be honest. That is, well, an indicator of a normal person, a conscience.
Interviewer:
Whoever he is and so on, yes.
Carder:
Moreover, he, like, is not trash for a long time, and he heads the Belarusian department, like, of the IB group, it is a very well-known private cybersecurity company, well, they are my friends, we constantly shoot with them, I flew to Singapore, now I will fly to Chile with them to continue shooting, these are my kints, and he heads their Belarusian office, so there are no hard feelings. In principle, at the time when he was investigating my case, I was offended by him, because the first time I had a normal investigator, we came to an agreement.
Well, in what sense, he says, I convicted you in one case, now I am already bad with the second case, I will not get additional. Stars on my shoulder straps, and you already, like. Come on, just admit your guilt, and instead of a bunch of articles, I will hang this one on you, the simplest, most understandable one. This will save me from having to send hundreds of requests to every country in the world. He will relieve you of the necessity, you will simply get a shorter term, and that's it. I had to believe him, because it is not fixed, it is a deal in no way.
This happens in the West, everything is signed there, yes, verbally. But I had to believe, well, there was logic in his words, at least. My lawyer and I are talking, we have no choice, if he finds, that's the situation with us, I'm already in prison. And with this one, I admit, he is a cool guy, then he went to work at a bank, there is corruption there too, this also affected him a little, although I think he was not there with his bodies. He invited me to a performance at the bank, but I had already stopped going to Belarus by then.
And the second one, you see, he slightly, well, not that he put pressure on me, did not keep his promises. I say, when will you close the case? Well, I'll come tomorrow. I did another three months. You sit like a sheep, but it's hard, you know. When you are in a pretrial detention center, your beloved woman is not allowed to visit you, even for a short visit. That is why I was offended at him at that moment, but not now. If he needs something, he will write to me with some help, why not, I am an ordinary person, I will not refuse.
That is why I left Belarus for Moscow. And that is all, and there I moved…
Interviewer:
A clean slate, but with a lot of experience.
Moving to Moscow, doing business.
Carder:
Yes, and with $30,000 in my pocket. After my release, out of all the money I ever had, I had $30,000 left in my pocket, I moved to Moscow with it, it was hard. I started a business there, cashback, domes, and so on, well, in e-commerce. I never intended to go to YouTube at all. I slowly tried to move into e-commerce with a lack of money, as if it were very difficult.
Interviewer:
This was in 2016, right?
Carder:
Yes, in the summer of 2016. And $30,000, then I attracted another hundred to one of my businesses, I think. Well, I moved somehow. That business is still running. Cashbackservice, I'll take it to a new level now, because my favorite brainchild is the first one, yes, serious, independent, it was deprived of my attention, because I went to YouTube. I'm still there. And on YouTube, just like I once got into cybercrime by accident, I also got on YouTube by accident.
They happen. You know, dangers happen, to become a star, to lose yourself, to get a lot of money, to get high, or something else.
That's what's good about the zone, I think that it would be good for many, like Khovansky, when he was locked up, I shouted, said, don't scream, it's okay, it's good for him, he'll go sit there for a while, that everything is okay, at least he'll start cleaning up after himself, because when he was arrested, there was a hut there, well, just like a homeless shelter. Well, I've never seen a homeless shelter, that someone in the country had such a hut.
Interviewer:
There was a complete lack of discipline.
Carder:
That's why... And Guberman has this poet Igor Guberman, he's really great, I once saw his book in prison by chance. He wrote these four verses, he himself was there in Soviet times for speculation, or whatever they call gariki of four verses, gariki, chamber verses, because he wrote them in a cell. And there are, I don't remember exactly, I know many of them by heart, but I don't remember this one completely, like, when you're sick with a long childhood, although you've grown up and aren't stupid, I would think that the best remedy for six months is prison soup.
I remembered. Well, that is, yes, what he's talking about, that is, you've grown up, but your brain is still a fool, well, like, six months of prison soup would be good for you. But I think that, firstly, not six months, but much more, well, a year or two. Yes, in general, everything that, when you are young, not burdened with a family, sick children, elderly parents, wives, well, in general, any term is easy to take.
In the context of what exists... In short, anything ending in a soft sign is already hard. 5, 6, 7... Any of us, any of you, will get 20-30 years up to a five. Any term up to a five for an easy one. A five is already hard physically and psychologically. If you end up in some godforsaken zone, where everything is red, everything is laid out in white, they address you, there, oh, you got up there not at 6:00, but at 6:01, horror, isolation ward, there, well, in short, you go, yeah, the end of amnesty, there, early release, it's a tough psychological thing, that's it.
Therefore, it's better, yes, really not to end up there, and for that it's better not to engage in crime in the first place, that's it.
Interviewer:
One hundred percent.
Carder:
And, you know, I analyzed why my life happened like that. That is, we had no money at all in our families. I know a lot of cybercriminals in the world in general. That's it. And we had no money in our families at all, yes. Although, well, some inclinations, talents, some Soviet education, humanitarian, technical, institute, but still not bad. There were remnants of it. And plus, we got to the computer early, that's all.
But at the same time, we had no money, we had good technical skills and the Internet appeared in Belarus quite early, but we did not have any moral principles at all.
Interviewer:
Not mature.
Carder:
Respect for other people's private property, yes. Now they steal my credit cards, sometimes they steal from my credit cards too. Once they stole cards in Kiev, I still don't know how. The new card is in an envelope in my pocket, I go to a restaurant in Sochi to pay, I have no money on it. They hit me in Google games, well, in short, in some games Google didn’t return it to me, they said, it’s all the same, you did it to me yourself. Qiwi returned it, but through a chargeback to Visa.
But it happens. And now I understand how my victims feel when he needs to fly somewhere, he has no money, or buy medicine for a child. And now, of course, I put myself in their place. And DOS attacks, for example, I have a lot of different businesses on the Internet. But there are a lot of them, I don’t know, I just don’t count anymore, from 20 to 30. They are in different stages of neglect. Some 5-7 projects, they generate cash, sometimes huge, which is enough to pay salaries.
My salary is 50-100 thousand dollars a month, I pay the salary fund in other projects that have not yet been launched. Well, when my projects are DDoS'd, for example, it's unpleasant, and I understand that, well, like, but I was in their place, yes, with all these cybercriminals. Now on the other side. That's why we didn't have any moral principles, we were very hungry for money, and we did this.
And now, it seems to me, there are many more opportunities to earn money than then. For example, when I was 21, well, not 21, but a little earlier, 18-20, when I finished school, when I went to college, working part-time somewhere, working more precisely, and paying me $ 500 at that time, well, now it would be a thousand or a thousand and a half, I would not have gone into crime at all, I would have worked well in PR, everything would have been great. Therefore, without money, this also played a big role, but now there are many more opportunities.
I have 70 to 80 employees in my company now, and on YouTube everywhere, and in our media, and in IT projects there are many programmers, but among them there are many guys who came to us at 17, There are those who came at 16. They have been with us for 3-4 years.
Speaker?:
It's cool that you accept.
Carder:
They come, these are all my subscribers. They understand who I am and how they can be useful. If a person correctly forms some offer, that I can do this, this, this in your team. Interesting. Well, let's try. They earn differently. We have very expensive positions. These are iOS developers, signers. You yourself understand how much it costs. It can't cost a thousand dollars, but probably the minimum for the guys who work with us from YouTube, who also do something else.
I think, two, probably. Now they are not 16, but 19, 18, 20 for some. But they have been growing with us for a long time, and you see your two, they earn. In those years, when I could dream about it. The Internet made all this possible and real, and all the sites, there, FL.Ru, but it has deteriorated greatly. Quark, for example, where you can take a task in any way, work part-time with operators, translators, and plus... In
the moment, get. Yes, and plus now the GPT chat, this... GPT, I can't pronounce it, yes. I say, the GPT chat, I don't care. Plus YouTube and knowledge of the world's networks, well, they kind of make crime, and especially this kind of crime, well, not really very profitable, yes, they make it meaningless, it seems to me.
Times have changed.
Interviewer:
I agree, absolutely. Even if you enter the same crypto topic correctly, just due to your regular activity you can even earn significant money.
Carder:
Airdrops, retrodrops, staking, all that. I know young guys too, who are into crypto. Well, it's not like they're exactly the stars, but they earn one and a half to three thousand dollars a month, also with a website, well, somewhere around 20.
The goal of launching a YouTube channel.
Interviewer:
Yes, yes. Well, there are many examples. I'll give you a couple of key points. Here's YouTube, yes, when did you launch it, and what was the goal at the time of launching it? A thought, an idea? I mean, why?
Carder:
I've never been involved in YouTube, I wasn't even interested in it. Naturally, I'm interested in business, I've always been interested in the histories of various companies, startups, etc. Well, naturally, I knew when it was created, why, what, why and for how much Google bought it for 1.65 billion in what year. I knew all this, but before I created my channel, I watched a couple of Lady Gaga clips on YouTube and a couple of videos on how to pump up my abs. And that's it, I wasn't interested in it.
And then my friend calls me from Sweden, he saw there about a competing cashback service on the Transformer channel, they made a video.
Interviewer:
Oh, and then Transformer.
Carder:
Yes, and I watched it, I didn't know who Transformer was, he knew Lady Gaga from Ting. And I watched it, I liked it, it's cool, he did that about Lady Shops, about my competitor. I called them, wrote to them somehow. I say, how much will it cost to do something like this about my company? They told me 45 thousand dollars. By the way, I had a hundred dollars then, I brought my business into this. Well, I thought, damn, well, no way. For 45 thousand dollars I will start my own channel.
Well, and I started everything. And since I had already written a book, yes, I had experience. Well, there was one girl there, my friend, a journalist, she suggested, she said, insert more dialogues into the book, it will dilute it, so to speak. That's exactly it. And by the way, I used it, I liked this technique. I put many complex things that I would like to explain to the viewer in the form of, for example, dialogues with a lawyer. She doesn't know anything about these cybercrime topics at all. I tell her step by step, that is, dialogues. And I had experience with dialogues for a book, and that's why I started an interview, because there are also dialogues there.
And there, like you're sitting there now, mostly silent. And I mostly keep quiet on my channel. That is, if a person came, if he is a particularly notorious liar, he will tell you everything himself, he will do all the work for you. And we have been moving forward on YouTube from the first days. And I do not prepare for now at all. It is just that all the processes are built in such a way that YouTube takes up about 5% of my time.
I find out who we are filming about 10 minutes before entering this studio. Sometimes a little earlier, when I leave home by car, well, I am not driving specifically, but on the side, I open my laptop, look at who we are filming, what questions, approximately, there, I add a few of my own. That is, people are already working on all this, they have been ready for a long time. And, well, in fact, few people have YouTube built at the level that we have. We have invented many advertising formats ourselves, that is, they are not there in the vast expanses of the CIS.
We put a sign on TV, not a neon sign, there's something else, a couple more advertising formats. I'm sitting in a brand T-shirt, for example. I cut shorts in a brand T-shirt specifically. Well, in short, my own movie. That's it. That's why I approach all processes, you know, not as creativity anymore. I don't give a damn, I don't know, I'll go dance bachata, or I go to yoga, that's my creativity.
But what about as a business, as a business process. That is, why should we bother so much about the quality of the video? That there were videos on which we spent three times more time, money and energy than on regular ones. But you spend x3, and get an increase of 0.1. That is, it is 10% better in terms of views.
Speaker?:
Of course.
Carder:
And we decided that we will take quantity always and everywhere.
Interviewer:
Well, it's clear that... But the quality is still high. Well, we try, yes.
Carder:
We try, but we don't bother. That is, for us, it is much more valuable to launch 8 issues or even 12 per month, where there will be 12 advertisements of other people's money, or our products, or partner ones via referral links, we earn a lot via referral links, much more than the money that advertisers pay us. And for us, 12 videos are much more valuable than one, very high-quality one, but one.
Interviewer:
The story is still there, the person is there, and that's always the main thing.
Carder:
Well, it was easier for me to go on YouTube than for many of you, because at least I already had a book. You see, and the book, it made me famous, well, I was already known on all sorts of cybercriminal forums, but that was that wave, they closed down a long time ago while I was sitting, and that's it. And already on the new ones, I became famous thanks to the book, and everyone remembers it since then. And it was probably much easier for me than for many of you, because even a normal path on YouTube is considered, well, not optimal, but within the norm, is when you have a thousand subscribers in a year.
That is, many there, like, grow slowly. Well, in general, in the world, the average picture for a year is a thousand. For the second - up to ten. And the third can already be a hundred, and a million, and two hundred. Well, there, in short, there is already a non-linearity, yes. But if you have a thousand subscribers in two years, a thousand in the first year, then this is normal, if you collected a grand in a year.
It was easier for me, and I gained ... Well, after prison, I gave out just tens, sometimes hundreds later, due to a number of circumstances, interviews in the press and in the media. And these were world-class media. Fortune, and Forbes, and Fox News, and CNN.
Interviewer:
They did not contact me themselves, but they wanted to hear.
Carder:
Yes, yes, yes, and CNN, and all that stuff. So that all helped me too. And those TV interviews, they maybe trained me a little, so that I'm not afraid of the camera. And when the situation arose that I needed to somehow get on YouTube, when I accidentally ended up on it, it all worked out very well, because it gave me a huge experience, a bunch of interesting connections and acquaintances around the world, including with you, with many interesting, great, smart people, with many of them I started joint businesses,
and YouTube gives me traffic fuel for all my projects and partner projects, where we earn money.
Interviewer:
Yes, the media is how the threads go down to all businesses, areas.
Carder:
Money, connections, synergies with projects, the opportunity to enter previously closed doors, and, probably, I would also say, well, such fun, you know, your life becomes much more interesting and fun. Well, and to indulge my vanity a little, because when I walk around some city, I don’t know, in St. Petersburg, and no one recognizes me for half an hour, I’m already stoned. You know, I haven’t yet reached that level of fame, figuratively speaking, like Margenstern and Basta, who just need to leave quickly so that no one recognizes them.
But for me, another half hour, and I’m already stoned. In Thailand, that’s okay, in Thailand, an hour, if I’m stoned.
Interviewer:
And you owe all this to Portnyagin, right?
Carder:
Well, maybe. Well, we talked.
Speaker?:
He motivated me somehow.
Carder:
We haven't talked for a long time, but it's...
Interviewer:
Basically, he motivated me with his price...
Carder:
Indirectly, yes, I came to see him, we exchanged books in the office, a long time ago, yes, that's how it happens, you see, there were two coincidences in life, the first was that I accidentally got into crime, the second was on YouTube, and then you think that, well, probably everything is natural, yes, after all, I studied at the Faculty of Geography, well, sort of, and I am an information and communications specialist.
Interviewer:
Yes, it was a sign of what will happen to you in the future, the choice of profession, although I did not work in it.
Carder:
In general, watch a very interesting film "The Devil's Advocate" with Al Pacino, Keanu Reeves. Gorgeous, yes, in general. In general, a magnificent film, probably one of the top 10 in the world, and my personal top 10 as well. Top 3, probably, even, I would say, mine. So, who watched it, write in the comments what you understood the main thing from this film. Who didn't watch it, run to watch it. And that's it. Now I'm in Thailand, life is good.
What projects are you working on now, cryptocurrency.
Carder:
In terms of work, if you're interested in what's in terms of work. In terms of work, we have projects, well, not counting media, and we have a lot of media. We have more than one YouTube channel. I don't know how many there are, honestly, I don't count. I think we have 7 to 10 channels. My biggest one is People About 900 thousand, next year a million. Well, that's over 7 years, you know. Like this, I could probably get 10 if I tried to get it over so many years. Well, 5 for sure, but the difference is that they're just like me, they're pretty busy.
I watch YouTube about once every 2 months, and they do too, because I know many of my viewers personally, I have many businesses, we're friends with our families. And they're busy people, they're also dudes, many with a hacker, carder background, past or present, they're all sorts of little techies. We counted about 4 thousand security officials of all kinds in the VDFSB using a certain method, in different countries, yes. And people from businesses, like managers, top managers of banks of all kinds, well, there were questions when they wrote to me, helped on their own initiative.
And people with their digital businesses, there, about 40 percent, all kinds of SEO specialists, owners of marketing agencies and so on. And therefore, I think, why are there so few of them, well, there are a priori few of them, that is, they are just the cream of the crop, yes, such an elite. I am very lucky that they have gathered here, yes, there are not many of them, but they are the elite-elite, and if I checked in practice, that is, there are some topics in crypto or somewhere else,
well, I can’t with you capital, well, I don’t have enough, that’s because I found out there, let’s say, not in a week, but in two days, and I understand that if I don’t find half a million dollars now in a day and a half, then I won’t get in myself. And, accordingly, I throw out a cry not even on YouTube, because I don’t have time, but on Instagram and in Telegram at my place. Well, and hop, I get half a million, well, not half a million, 400 thousand for four transactions. 110, 50, 50, 50 and a little bit more there.
That’s all. From people with whom I have never had a single dialogue, I don’t even know who it is. Then you find out that Kolya sold a business where there is commerce for 25 million dollars. Who is this? Well, you can't tell who, but he is a carder 100%, because it is clear from indirect signs who he is. And in the end you see that he is a co-owner of one of our businesses, he earned 15-20x with us on crypto-hop, bought another business from us.
Interviewer:
Strong public reputation, trust through the screen.
Carder:
There was one unpleasant incident. There was one dude, a minor, Harchaevnikov. You can look, I'm not ashamed of this, because it's not true. In short, there was one unpleasant situation. We got into trouble there with Vlad, with my partner, for money. We resolved the issue with everyone we needed to, who approached us, well, to our own detriment, in short. Vlad and I earned 300k, gave 400. That's it. Our conscience is clear, some of the guys didn't want to, they listened to one faggot blogger who promised them, who interfered in something that wasn't his business, I asked, why? You created the situation yourself, you created the problem for me yourself.
They decided to advertise some competing product on my fame, although they themselves are also famous. That's it, I asked them not to bother me, they stirred up the guys, those went to court, those who didn't go to court, and I also broke my leg very badly at that moment, I had a very complicated fracture, who wrote to us to me and Vlad, we resolved the issue with everyone, with everyone, no one
can say that we screwed anyone, well, and those who went to court, well, excuse me, that is, he promised you, well, you went to court, you dragged my name around in court, on the Internet, well, let's, maybe I'll resolve it with you, but then, I'm offended now, well, yes, and it turns out that there is a person, yes, he made a bad video about me, called me a fraud, yes, and the paradox of the situation is that these amounts that I'm telling you, there are 400 thousand, well, it was, well, a week after his video, everyone understood who was who, and they lost
the point to me in the end, if they hadn't gone to court, they would have received their money long ago, we didn't close with everyone right away, because we really got there too, and with some of us, as we agreed, that we give you half at once, or the whole amount with an installment plan for a year, and whoever chose which scheme, we honestly, we say, Well, we can’t. Now we would like to, but we can’t give you everything at once.
We also had troubles. Therefore, it seems to me that the most important thing in business is reputation, name, yes, because money, well, it happens, everyone has shitty situations. That is, it is important how you get out of them and, well, and do you try to fix the situation. That is, do you care, you know, I care, my money, my businesses, I care about my subscribers there and in general I care about my word, first of all. Perhaps this helped, I didn’t have a street as such, I sat with books, and not with the guys in the yard.
Perhaps prison helped me with this. I value my reputation, my name and that’s it. And if we take businesses, then our business now is in e-commerce, this is my cashback, which I thought up in prison, domes, VPN, a couple more small ones in cybersecurity for now, proxies and other things for security.
We have a rating for crypto like bestchange, we have a rating of exchangers, but naturally, bestchange is a good, cool site, it has a lot of traffic, but it is morally outdated, and we did it, since I also have my own audience, it would be a sin not to take advantage of it. And especially since they also exchange money every day, and I exchange almost every day. Yesterday I canceled, for example. And we made the rating of exchangers simply more modern, with an adaptive layout, with an application, with everything.
Well, of course, we are expanding the range of all kinds of services. For example, I personally search in crypto not every day, but once a month, probably once a week I search for 0.5 BTC in USDT or something else. Currency converters, I need rates, I need some such things. Or I often need a transaction explorer, that is, a wallet in the blockchain, or you track the transaction by hash. I search for all this, somewhere I get to some sites through Google.
Accordingly, we are currently deploying this functionality, we have already deployed it, next week both the blockchain and the explorers will start working for each.
Interviewer:
All our own.
Carder:
Yes, so that if I... I just love SEO, SEO traffic specifically, Google, Yandex. I use it in all my projects, I try my best. My friends taught me, they ran my projects, and I watched how they did what, these are friends, specifically, with serious agencies. I learned to do it myself, it seems not bad. And if I search for it somewhere, yes, well, I give traffic to other sites, I go to some MyFinBy converters, my buddies are there too, then now someone will search, come to me.
Accordingly, this increases the value of the asset, that is, the traffic grows, someone will make some exchange, to a partner exchanger. What else do we have in crypto? Yes, probably... Oh, we also have an IML bot. Cool thing, quite marginal. I didn’t know about the IML bot before, I’ve never used it. And then, when the sanctions started, this war….
Interviewer:
Blocking. Wallet blocking. Red marks.
Carder:
Yes, and you understand that I look at my wallet, open it, which I’ve had for 3-4 years, I look, I have 20 percent there, probably, I won’t look for sure, 5% of it are some kind of drug marketplaces, there was no ransomware. There were 15 and 10 percent sanctions. Well, I took everything and changed it, that is, I wouldn’t know it. But if I hadn’t checked EML and sent some Ukrainian exchange to Whitebit, they would have blocked it.
They have a policy that if Russian money is with sanctions. Well, Binance came to me recently.
Interviewer:
Rather a fight.
Carder:
I had someone come in recently, I don't know what the risk was. I was withdrawing from a payment system, I have a crypto payment system connected to some of my products, I was simply withdrawing my own bitcoin from the payment system to Binance, everything else was fine, but the bitcoin was kind of dirty, and they, in short, wrote to me, I said, well, I withdrew from the payment system, here's a screenshot, here's the payment system, what does that have to do with me? They say, well, okay, sort of.
Interviewer:
And that's it, right? Did you miss it?
Carder:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it took about an hour, they write there that it will take almost a year to figure it out, about an hour, and that's it. And this IMLbot, and we have a lot of other services that are for bloggers. We have a thing called Blogger Tools with all sorts of practical moments. Now, for example, there will be, I'll reveal a little secret, soon all the preview designers may quit.
That is, there is preview generation and generation at a very serious level.
Interviewer:
This is really very important, this trinity, cover, title, tags, this is what costs a lot.
Carder:
The most important is the viewing depth, but the cover, yes, is also important.
Interviewer:
Yes, that the first action must be done.
Carder:
Well, we are trying, you know, we are trying now, since for ourselves there are a lot of channels, a lot of media, we are somehow trying to optimize the processes, we will open up these opportunities for others too. For example, the same time codes, a person writes to us for 300-500 rubles, for someone, maybe, they write time codes for a thousand, I don't know. But a person, he writes time codes, he spends time, we spend money. And not always, he is somewhere, maybe in a taxi at school, it does not always work out on time.
We have a video, there are no time codes. And now we are giving this note on automatic tools, which are already becoming completely. We will have a function now. Generation of optimal titles and texts for videos, descriptions. Because even I, with 6.5 years of experience on YouTube, cannot always choose a good title. It happens that, well, you know that this video should go approximately like this, the dynamics are like when you started it, but you watch, damn, it does not go, it does not go.
A picture that you will not redraw every time, it is expensive and time-consuming, and it is normal, good. Then you understand that it is all about the title. You start, once, twice, three times, four times you change it, oh, okay, it went better. So it is better, it is better to do this from the beginning, so that you have a set of normal titles. Well, there are days when you have a bad imagination, well, your head doesn't work. Well, the duty officer wrote what, that's it, now it's not me who writes, my people are there, but their heads also sometimes work just as badly as mine, due to a number of reasons.
And that's why we have such services, like, the name.
Interviewer:
And when will this be launched?
Carder:
The platform is already working, already.
Interviewer:
Can everyone use it?
Carder:
Yes, there are collaborations between channels, that is, you can write, well, you know, here's the problem with bloggers, it doesn't matter if I'm writing to you about some business, or Phillips is offering you a million-dollar contract. The problem is that only 10% of letters even catch the eye of the influencer. And you answer. And you answer, maybe 10%, and 3 out of 10 answered you. And when you need to take a lot of bloggers for some advertising campaign, or something else, then it's very difficult.
You have to cover a large number. And we do what you do to get me to write, I bet, I don't know, 10 dollars or 50. Yes, you pay, I'm guaranteed to read it for this money, you understand? Will I agree with your offer or send you to hell.
Interviewer:
The main thing is that the information gets through.
Carder:
Yes, but if I want to take your $50, I have to give an answer. Not just read the answer. Yes, no, any answer there. And then it depends on you. That is, you spend money, you pay a blogger to read your messages. Accordingly, you must try to quickly and briefly convey what you want. And write not to an ordinary blogger, but to a relevant one. That's why we have collected such services, we understand that this is a pain, we collected there. Then buy, sell the channel. There are many good channels abandoned.
Circumstances have changed, someone died, etc. And it would be better if they lived. Accordingly, selling channels. Optimal pictures, names, image generation, we want to exclude designers. Try now. I think in 2 weeks we will exclude designers from the process forever. Because a normal preview is 1.5-2 thousand rubles. The average, that's there, I don't know, a thousand now. Normally, it's one and a half to two, and again, it's long.
And some have news outlets, news channels, and videos come out every day, or every three hours. Accordingly, we collect all sorts of things here. And that's why we have the Blogger's Tools service. And now we'll be holding our flagship ICO in crypto. It's a Mesh app. So, I wasn't the original creator there.
Interviewer:
As a news outlet.
Carder:
How is that, Gabrielyanovskoe, this is yellow, this is Russian, this is an edition, that's it. Yes, usually I'm really good with names, but in this case, so that you understand how difficult this process was for me, I took, let's say, well, somewhere around 200 cool words that mean something, I threw them into the GPT chat and asked, I say, he, write me this word, this-this in 15 major languages of the world, and he wrote to me, oh, and I say, pick up some more synonyms.
And imagine, I have such folios, I was driving to St. Petersburg, Vlad and I were driving there, and I have such an A4 folio, I sat and crossed it out. Damn, well, it seems like this, well, in short, mash, yes, perhaps there will be problems with copyright, they have a patent for a trademark, like, oh well, we’ll solve it somehow. By the way, I read in a book about Steve Jobs that Apple once paid some record company, I think it was a British company Apple, something like half a yard in compensation so that there would be no disputes over copyright.
Half a yard. So this half a yard, do you know when this was? This was in the 70s. Now this is, I don’t know, like 10 billion dollars. This is a huge sum.
Interviewer:
Well, that’s America there, it all works very well there.
Speaker?:
Yes, but in general.
Carder:
And we put it together, basically, a person came to me, I was an investor there, but now I have become a co-founder, because as an active blogger, 60 percent of the functions have already been invented by me. And we put together everything that I and my audience need there. It's a marketplace, an opportunity to sell your merch. I have merch there, books, physical and electronic video greetings. That is, you sell everything. Then the "I recommend" section.
It's like the same marketplace, but with referral links. Because, for example, you shoot awesome content about fishing, but you will never have your own reels for sale, like Shimana spinning rods, at most you will have some kind of bait in 20 years. But you shoot awesome videos, they go down well. Why don't you sell Shimana reels or spinning rods or something else, boats. And all with affiliate links. Then there is a section on courses, competitions, events, when you need to organize a fan meeting in Bangkok, but you don’t know, firstly, you need to announce it, secondly, you need to understand how many will come.
And when you know that you have 20 tickets or 50, you immediately bet, there, if 50, then I will hold it, if less, I will not. You look, Aprilka tells you, 50 tickets have been sold. Even, maybe, purely symbolically, you don’t want to take money from them. It’s just that, like me, I almost never take money for a meeting. I organize the hall myself, fortunately, money allows it there. And, well, bet a dollar, yes, purely symbolically, just so that the transactions are visible.
They will buy everything, Aprilka tells us, because you have 50 tickets bought. Do you have a hall in Bangkok for a certain date? You say no. Of course you don’t have one. It’s still an unfamiliar country. And our managers already in the application offer you a hall simply.
Interviewer:
As a concierge service, among other things.
Carder:
Yes, because bloggers are lazy, busy, many are rich.
Interviewer:
It's all in between. Yes, it's all in one Prilka. Bloggerstools separately.
Carder:
We've already discussed Bloggerstools. It's all in Prilka. And so for me, as a blogger, it's an opportunity to sell my physical, electronic, or even other people's products, Events. Then there are courses, but they won't have them now. Stories, posts, polls, like in Telegram. They took a lot from Telegram. In general, a paid subscription to a community, like Patreon. A one-time donation for any type of content, like on YouTube, super thanks. For example, or in Patreon.
Paid chat with a blogger. You do it directly for 72 hours for some money. You set how much you're willing to chat for. How much they'll pay per month for a subscription to your community. You can put zero, that's all. But this is for your true fans, true fans, yes, who are willing to support you not only with likes, but also with money, like sponsors were on YouTube.
Interviewer:
Can we switch to only-fanchats too, right?
Carder:
Yes, it will be like that, but naturally, we, well, will have to comply with the store rules and we already do, because the limit is already in the Play Market, it is there, in the App not yet. So that there is nothing there. Therefore, of course, something like that, it will be brought out to the web version exclusively, but will not be in the application, that is, we take this into account. Therefore, we have collected everything that a blogger and his audience need in one application. A very expensive application, very complex, because everything needs to be tied together.
Interviewer:
Functionality, yes, in the description.
Carder:
Yes, about 20 functions, probably. By the way, there will also be crowdfunding there now. You collect, I don’t know, or some kind of charity collection, either for a new video camera for yourself, or for an apartment. There will also be an auction of rare things of the blogger, because I have a lot, What would I sell? Here, Kardashian constantly sells her wardrobes. I tried to google where she sells, I couldn’t find it. I constantly see in the press, I googled six different sites, they are all different, do they sell on a particular one.
I couldn’t find any information, they are all different. And this, are they trustworthy? And you have to look for all this. Take, for example, the video greeting. Yes, we have them in the appendix. There is a separate service Cameo. The respected company is worth 700 million dollars. They sell video greetings from Chuck Norris, Clinton, Obama, from anyone you want, from all the celebrities of the world.
Interviewer:
Real, not a testicle? Real, of course.
Carder:
No, even before the testicle, still a testicle at that time. 700 million dollars, the capitalization of the company, everything is very good, but this is a single application, you understand? I can, probably, right now on Porto de Phuket, last December I signed up for about 20 clubs, oh, you can congratulate my family, my, well, I do it for free, yeah, well, what for free, why? Secondly, whoever got caught with me, and many would like to buy. And I could probably sell, but I need to install this cameo, create a profile there.
My viewers need to link a card there, and Russian-speaking people now….
Interviewer:
And we need to find out more, because this is an American story. Yes, and I need to announce it, you know?
Carder:
And I probably could, yes. That’s all we have in Prilk, almost nothing, well, except for a few functions, we don’t have anything unique. But in order to have all this, I need to have 15 profiles in all sorts of Prilks, and my subscribers need them, and link cards everywhere, and it’s also, you know, difficult to advertise. When you have everything in one, Pavlovich has released a new Push video, a new product has been added, a video greeting or a Push book, that’s it.
Interviewer:
Well, yes, such a collection of relevant areas. Interesting.
Carder:
We did it for a long time. Well, that’s it, the first release is already here. Well, when this video comes out in January-February, it will already be there, thank God. And we will conduct an ICO. But do you know that there is such an opportunity? By the way, this is also a cool blogger topic. I just track all these startups that are doing something in the creative economy as part of my job. And there are startups, they are not startups anymore. They are already two years old, but I started tracking them from the first days, that invest in bloggers.
And it turns out that there is a great demand for alternative investments in the world, because many people are not satisfied with the profitability of stocks and bonds. Crypto is considered for the broke. - Hello everyone. - Yes, few people have it. In fact, if you count all the wallets, half of the abandoned ones. I have 10 wallets with gas,
Interviewer:
There are even some 20 of me, probably. So consider the entire world blockchain.
Carder:
We can divide by 50, and you will understand the number of real cryptos in the world.
Interviewer:
300 million, like, at Metamask, yes. That is, well, yes, 15-20 million most likely.
Carder:
Well, there you go. And there are companies that, for example, invest in art, collective ownership of art, buy paintings, sell them for more, wine, whiskey, cognacs, all that stuff exists. And companies that invest in YouTube bloggers, well, any bloggers, YouTube just, I'm saying this as an example, because YouTube is easier to speed up. You see your statistics over the years.
And you know what it looks like, by the way, I recently took out such a loan myself. It's just that when I moved to Thailand, I literally didn't have any cash, and I needed $1,060 there right away for the house, for all of this, for three months. And I took out a loan. Well, for me, it was like, it was a Russian startup, they approved me at a normal rate, but in general they have up to 42% per annum, so you understand. You are a blogger, yes, you withdraw money through them, you are connected to them, they see everything about you, not directly from your admin panel, but even from the YouTube admin panel, because your channel is connected.
And they see everything, and they just give you figuratively 10 of your monthly monetizations in advance. Do you understand? And they just take it from you, you took it, they have 10 thousand dollars, you give it back, they have up to 42.5% per annum, it's crazy. And now imagine, such startups on a global scale, American companies, which I read about 2 years ago, that they just opened, one has 700 million dollars
under management in 2 years, the second 900, and you know, you don't have to be a rocket scientist.
Interviewer:
It's so unusual, just to listen to it, yes, like monetization, statistics. It's logical that this is like a conditionally predictable topic.
Carder:
Well, not conditionally. There, you know, the only problem could be if he died or got old.
Interviewer:
But it seems to me... - Well, too.
Carder:
Well, yes, it's one of the two. But it seems to me that for that insurance company, either they can not bother. Figuratively, if one out of a hundred of them merged,
Interviewer:
Well, at 40%, it's not a big deal.
Carder:
So why the hell insure, yes, these extra...
Interviewer:
The person probably invests in a pool, and not in a specific blogger. Well, or there are funds that contribute money.
Carder:
Yes, yes, yes, most likely. And we thought that we, of course, want to implement this scheme ourselves, since we see everything. Their money for concerts and other things goes through us, and we, naturally, want it. And since now is the age of the Internet and crypto, we still want it all to be through the blockchain. Because, firstly, this will be transparent for the blogger and the audience. Here we have a function, for example, it is still in the database, but will now be in the blockchain, when you say that everyone who stays until the end of my stream will receive 10 tokens.
And whoever registers one by one, and whoever stays until the end, and the smart contract will be revealed only when they stay until the end, you understand, not to everyone. This is transparency of the relationship between you, the influencer, and the audience. But this also means that you can put your money there. Look, a young blogger comes, we thought about listing each person's own token right away, taking it from some fork of Ethereum, writing some kind of blockchain, then we thought, why bother.
And we will, naturally, download a common platform token, Mesh there, VS. And, so, a blogger came, you are subscribed to me, to the ICO, to 5 people, let's say, and you watch 100k on our channel today. Well, you see, you have some extra money, you understand, Well, maybe there’s something you can do to help them somehow earn some more money from this.
And you just... It's not a fact that we will open such investment programs, right? Most likely, we will, but even in the simplest form, you are simply buying up video greetings from us today. Our advertising slots, by the way, we are removing the intermediaries of agencies, who have completely lost their minds, by the way. Western agencies simply, when they resell advertising from bloggers, they earn 20-30%. Russian 200-300, yes. Do you understand? And therefore these bastards will disappear from the sky altogether, they are also finished, they work very poorly and will constantly put you on a horse.
Therefore, we will remove them, of course, and you can simply directly buy up mine, when I still have small ones, I have 10 or 100 thousand on the channel. Video greetings, advertising slots, you can buy them up for a grand today. And with this money I will make Iksana in a year.
Interviewer:
And then I resell them.
Carder:
You resell them on the secondary market, his channel is no longer 100 thousand.
Interviewer:
That is, this slot must be fulfilled, no matter how much it is sold for. Yes, yes, yes.
Carder:
Well, there are reasonable terms there too. That is, figuratively speaking, you cannot use it in 5 years. Well, a year, for example, is a reasonable term, you know, some kind of.
Interviewer:
Will there be slots in NFT, no?
Carder:
Yes. It's just that it's not so that it doesn't matter to us, even if there is a standard placeholder, there is slot 1, slot 2, it doesn't matter to us. We just need an entry in the blockchain, an arrival, essentially.
Interviewer:
That's it.
Carder:
So that no one can say that he didn't buy anything from me. And that's roughly what we roll up the cocktail from. And why is there still no blockchain there? Because we want to sell just a piece of the company now to one of the blockchains. There can't be many of them. It will be either Solana or TRX, but I have doubts about TRX. Or BSC, most likely. And what will they get? Firstly, they will get additional popularity for their blockchain, because all the bloggers of the world will be gathered there, and their audience, like Stepan rocked Solana.
Solana didn't need it, no one at all before Stepan. Such a powerful push. Yes. That's all. Well, now memecoins, but in general Stepan, I think.
Interviewer:
The first step, yes.
Carder:
And therefore they will get popularity, they will get the opportunity to advertise their various exchanges and blockchains among our bloggers, because, let's say, who will watch your video now through our application, well, YouTube is a broken channel and does not provide monetization, there will be no advertising. And we, at Roll, will figuratively insert Binance before your video and saw off the money with you. And for you, well, it's also fine. So you wouldn't get anything from YouTube for this video, but this way you'll get something from both Binance and us.
And Binance will be able to figuratively receive a huge influx of advertising for pennies. And what's more, any blockchain that joins us will simply recoup any investment in us in commissions very, very quickly.
Interviewer:
Yeah, yeah. Cool. Listen, on this wonderful note, there's a real break. Of course, I want to talk for hours. I'm sure it's a couple of percent.
Carder:
But we have a man sitting here right now who is a very, very serious cybercriminal from America. He's already been in prison there for several years, he's already waiting in the next room.
Interviewer:
Will he be wearing a mask or is he already...
Carder:
No, no, he's already been behind his, so we're going to film now, and for me, this will be the first interview I'm giving, and I'm doing it in English. And now I have a specific quest, so wish me luck.
Interviewer:
Yes. True. Everything in the description, dear friends. Thank you.
- Entrepreneurship, school and university years, carding
- How I ended up in prison, the trial
- Wrote my book
- Moving to Moscow, business
- The purpose of launching a YouTube channel
- What projects are you currently working on, cryptocurrency
Interviewer:
Sergey, hello.
Carder:
Great.
Entrepreneurship, school and university years, carding.
Interviewer:
Did you try anything as an entrepreneur at school, did anything, maybe sell something or in another format?
Carder:
I sold, I generally always made money from some sales, resales, or rather resales. I never had my own product, so that I was its manufacturer, for example. But I have always sold something my whole life. And I sold at school, I remember, I earned my first money, probably in the first or second grade, at the bazaar at the market I bought Marlboro stickers. Just small stickers for a diary, somewhere else, a white one with a koboy, there for a ruble, I think, I sold for 10. That is, I didn’t skimp in the gap, well, I always had it before the walrus, that is, well, at least I’ve never traded in my life, I have, I don’t know, 400 percent, probably, at least I’ve always had.
That’s it.
Interviewer:
Not bad.
Carder:
Then I traded sneakers, I found a store somehow, Puma in Minsk at the train station, a good store, they often had discounts, well, and I bought something for myself and resold it at the same time. By the way, it’s inexpensive there. Of course, the goods are like that, you can’t wind three ends on sneakers. I bought for 27 dollars, sold for 33, let’s say. Also inexpensive, but it was enough for me. But then there was the Klondike, the Internet.
Remember the Internet via modems? These are the sounds of dialing.
Interviewer:
Were there PeopleNet?
Carder:
Well, there were others in Minsk. Beltelecom, some others. Slimpack or whatever it was called, I don’t remember, in short. And then, well, the other one was terrible, you dial a modem, it’s 33600 bots, then it was 56 something, Zyxel there were these, some others, iOS Robotics, well, something like that, in short, and you called, it turns out, as I remember you, that’s all, and you paid a lot for this access, there, either per megabyte, or unlimited access,
Well, I traded Unlimited, there were new providers entering the Internet market, and they had really cool offers, figuratively speaking, there was a month of Unlimited Internet for 50 dollars, although if I sit approximately, well, just at an hourly rate, then somewhere, well, 200 came out to me a month, 200 dollars then, this was in the 90s, and for 50 Unlimited, I resold it for a hundred, that is, really easily, well, and there was a line, I just sold it through the newspaper hand in hand.
Sometimes, by the way, I myself hung there at night on these sold ones. Well, so what, I need it too. Sometimes, rarely. But that was a cool, interesting topic.
Interviewer:
Was that already in my university years?
Carder:
Back in school.
Interviewer:
Back in school?
Carder:
Yes, even in school. But the margin was good. And you know, all the goods that I always sold, they had in common that they were... Well, not mine, that is, I was still an intermediary, not their manufacturer. They were quite scarce, that is, so rare, they were easy to sell. And I somehow, well, found them. And also, that I always earned much more on their merger, on their resale, than the actual owners of these goods.
And so I liked this, and I later thought about this topic already in prison, and in general, that, well, probably, my role in life is still an intermediary, some kind of effective intermediary, but not a manufacturer, nothing. And if you used to sell...
Interviewer:
You already started then, yes, well, roughly at such an early stage, like...
Carder:
No, I understood my role not so long ago, but then I resold other goods, all sorts of illegal ones, well, not drugs, of course, but credit cards, counterfeit documents, equipment for their production, credit card numbers, with which you can enter something on the Internet, there, order.
Interviewer:
How did you even approach this topic? How did you get into it, find out, why did you decide to try?
Carder:
Well, it happened by chance, because I was, like, a pretty good child and teenager, law-abiding, straight A's in school, that's it.
Interviewer:
Yes, in my current life.
Carder:
Polite, really, I was already traveling across half the city on a bus in the first grade at the age of 6 to gymnastics by myself. Despite all my law-abidingness, I still ended up in prison, yes, and how did I even slide down, slide down to such a life. On the same forums, sites where I conducted my official activity selling sneakers, there, the Internet, I saw that they were selling... This was a Belarusian computer newspaper board, well, it simply classified, for example, like Rexlist, like Avito is now a prototype.
Then it was on the bulletin boards. And I saw that some credit cards were being sold, that is, it was like, well, I was not interested, but I understood what it was, what the numbers were for, there, other people's credit cards. And then one of my random acquaintances there, well, asked me to buy for him, I bought. And then the price in money was a little different.
Here is the Internet, that I sold for 50, yes, that is, and I earn fifty kopecks on this, let's say. Well, fifty dollars back then was '97, '6, '8, '9, '10, well, 2000. Fifty dollars back then was like now.
Interviewer:
Probably 500.
Carder:
Well, I would say yes. In terms of value, yes. Yes, because in the '90s, with a family of three, we spent, well, 200 dollars on food, that was already living in luxury, like, 100-200 dollars in Minsk for a family of three. Interviewer
:
And here for one transaction it's a quarter.
Carder:
The kiosk that stood near the school, those with cigarettes, there, gum, cigarettes, all sorts of small stuff, yeah. Those small businessmen, IPs, they earned a grand a month. That was a hell of a lot of money, actually.
Interviewer:
Yeah, cool guys. So you saw that this was a thing, you didn't get involved yourself, someone asked you to buy it?
Carder:
They asked me to buy it. I bought it, spent a shitload of dollars on it, probably, I don't remember, 300, maybe 600. 600, I think, of my own dollars, that's a shitload for a 15-year-old. I worked hard to earn them, that's it, and then he didn't pay me back. I started to play hard to get, I'm left with this big pack of credit cards, maybe a thousand.
Interviewer:
Oh, that's a pack... Yeah, credit card numbers.
Carder:
No, I know, these are credit card numbers.
Interviewer:
What do you mean, you don’t know the balances? No, I don’t know the balances, but everyone gave them at the time.
Carder:
And I’m left with this pack. And that’s it, I can’t do anything with it. But I was pretty successful in getting them, I haggled there, they gave me a thousand cards for $600, for half a dollar, even less, well, for half a dollar, yeah. And I started entering them, naturally, myself, into online stores with my brother. We tried it once, bought something, some music discs.
Well, discs were good back then, DVDs were starting out, CDs, all sorts of gift sets, Pink Floyd, Deep Apple, you could get them for $40, $90, $20.
Interviewer:
We went to online stores, and used one card after another to pay for some goods.
Carder:
Yes, Baren Saint-Nobel and other Western stores sent them, but they ordered something directly to their home address, because when they realized that there was something more expensive than the goods here, they ordered from all sorts of random acquaintances. And so this trend continued for quite a long time.
Interviewer:
Well, and then they sold the goods, yes, what came?
Carder:
They sold them, or wore something for themselves, left some clothes there, the first perfumes, I remember, by the way, I still bring that shop, but I buy it with my cards. Strawberrynetkom like that. In short, there was some perfume store, a really good one, not all the brands were there, figuratively speaking, Gucci and Chanel are not there, for example, yes, but Hugo Boss is there. I remember I made a card there from someone else's credit card, bought Hugo Boss Dark Blue, it was really durable, I don't know, it lasted three days on my clothes.
And since then, by the way, I love it, and whenever I run out of it, I buy it. It's inexpensive, absolutely, probably 30-40 dollars for a freestoy now, but it's cool. And since then I've found out about this shop, StrawberryNet.Com, Chinese, and I buy it. Well, in my opinion, it's Chinese now, and I buy it there periodically. And this direction of carding, carding is just, well, such a direction of cybercrime, yes, connected with this, well, with cards, from the English word "card".
It's still alive, guys order something, but now it's already difficult, professionals survive there, and a newbie has nothing to do, because in our time it doesn't matter what your IP is, no one monitors it. That is, from an American shop you enter a Belarusian IP, and everything comes.
Interviewer:
Yes, well, it's interesting, there were no messengers, secret forums, VPNs, that is, it was all done, you could say, transparently, if... Well, proxies, there were already proxies, there were already proxies.
Carder:
That is, later, when shops started working worse, it was necessary to connect a proxy. And then it became generally necessary to take a proxy, ideally from the city where the card was from, well, where the cardholder's billing address was from. That's it. And now, in principle, they do it. That is, there you should completely tie up the anti-detect browser, a good proxy, which preferably does not show up as a proxy.
Well, in short, a bunch of all sorts...
Interviewer:
It is not the management that acts, but those who should not do this do it, that is, illegal activity.
Carder:
But it’s really complicated there now, the SSH shell is like that, can you imagine that ideally, yes, they hack your modem figuratively, especially your home Asus router, and they go through it and order something, through your home router you’re sleeping there, you don’t know, and they order something in the store, yes.
Interviewer:
To another card simply using your router?
Carder:
Well, yes, the card, let’s say you live there, I don’t know, in Bangkok, for example, the card also belongs to some Thai from Bangkok, and they just, yes, they need the address of this particular city.
Interviewer:
And they can come because you bought it through my router? — They can come, yes. — And can they come to me?
Carder:
They can come, but nothing will happen, most likely. You’ll say, I don’t know the main spirit, do you want him to take the router for examination? Well, they will take it, yes. They'll see that it's hacked, there was firmware there. - I haven't heard, I wonder. - Well, that's rare, yes. But if we consider a situation that can happen, yes, that happens and has happened. And just like, I don't know, I'm from my neighbor's Wi-Fi, yes, it's very easy to hack Wi-Fi there.
I'll go there tomorrow, I don't know, I'll write to 100 Russian schools and government institutions that they're mined. And, of course, they'll come to him right away. They won't just come to him in 5 minutes, they'll come. - They'll take him out with the door. - Yes, they'll sort it out later, of course. That's why I did some of this carding of things. Well, it was a bit of a joke, because it's really hard.
I'm so impatient, and you had to sit there and then proxy it. Well, in short, set it up, write it down. That's how I typed it in there. Ah, it went through, they sent something. Well, cool, they didn't send it.
Interviewer:
It might work, it won't work.
Carder:
And the number of cards allowed it. And one card cost then, I don't know, a dollar or two at retail, maximum.
Interviewer:
And could it bring in money on average?
Carder:
A lot. I don't know what records the guys have there, I have a personal record, I entered 9999 dollars from one card. I remember, even the bank Merrill Lynch, I think, went bankrupt just now in the mortgage crisis of 2008. Merrill Lynch, it was Visa Signature, really good.
Interviewer:
It was probably purely a credit limit, right, roughly ten?
Carder:
Well, I think it was much more. I just bought some kind of vulnerability scanner on the Internet, software, I paid 9999 dollars for the software.
Interviewer:
Were those the prices for software back then?
Carder:
Yes, they were, it was some year I paid 2000, probably in the third year, it was a vulnerability in RDP, in repairs, well, in short, in remote control of a computer through Windows. And so someone quickly got busy, wrote scanners, yeah, well, that's all.
Interviewer:
And so that it would be possible….
Carder:
So that it would be possible to scan the network ranges where this vulnerability is open, and simply hack millions of computers en masse, well, networks preferably, that is, no one was interested in a single room for this. An office. Yes, yes, networks, corporations. But back then, you see, back then a lot was hacked simply, But back then there were no lockers, ransomware programs, blackmailers, like now.
When they hack a network, by the way, this is with American law enforcement, if earlier they fought carders, with us most of all, now they fight these Ransomware guys, because many of them are unprincipled, they verbally declare that we do not lock hospitals and so on, and we do not lock our own, there, the Russians, they lock everything. Maybe not as simply as purposefully, but they do it all, naturally. And that is why, in principle, few people like them, even among the professionals of the cybercrime scene.
Well, because it's, well, it's like, these are very serious guys, very serious. I know many of them, like, we correspond sometimes, but... Well, it's just such a nightmare, you know, and, in this hospital, figuratively speaking, your father could die tomorrow, or your child, figuratively speaking, or you, that's it. Well, this is just an isolated case, but it's really seriously punishable by RNSMW. Yes, and there was no crypto. And if back then we hacked something to steal something from them, there, some files, credit cards, or through them, again, to hack further, yes, so that their final IP would be visible, and not yours, that's how Shell was used. Now, whoever hacks a network will, naturally, encrypt everything and demand a ransom in bitcoins or another crypto. Therefore, cybercrime, in principle, is evolving. All the same schemes that were before, they still exist, they just become more difficult for beginners.
Take PayPal, for example, yes, everyone has been hammering PayPal for years, decades. There, it happens that their antifraud is, of course, very twisted, but it happens, they have months, they just let them go, and then everyone hammers, who is not this. There are also PayPal refunds, and there are all sorts of themes there. And Brute Force PayPal, and when they set weak passwords, your brute force, your stick for brute force or everything, they took out all the money. Simple selection. Yes-yes-yes. And before, well, why were computer networks also needed, yes, because you use many computers in the search, so brute force was better than other networks.
And there were also networks, not every one and it was even necessary to use. Networks were selected, where, firstly, ah, there were many computers, and secondly, the most important factor was fast Internet. That is, you look at what speed the network connection is.
And then that's it, and now take a server with some clean video cards, it has brute force, that is, well, like you do, like all mining, that is, mining essentially just calculates, it can also pick up passwords there, what difference does it make to it.
Interviewer:
Pick up hashes in the blockchain or a password?
Carder:
Absolutely the same action. But at the same time, it's cool now that you see all sorts of startups appearing, scientists are already getting a little closer to miners, finding some common ground, so that when they install this equipment there, or something else, so that it can directly make a payload, that is, decipher the genomes of some viruses and so on. That is, this is also all computing power.
Interviewer:
Well, yes, it's like united supercomputers in fact.
Carder:
Therefore, cybercrime was, is and will be, it is transforming. From the latest schemes, when there was covid in the US, a lot of people received money remotely, and businesses received it remotely, well, you know, payments like that, well, the government just gave them some money to live on, yes, and it gave it to entrepreneurs, it gave them a decent amount, like 20 thousand dollars, well, and accordingly, all the Chinese, in short, in this scheme I read, they stole, in my opinion, more than a trillion dollars, that's a lot of money.
Interviewer:
And did it come to their account or somewhere?
Carder:
Well, in short, the lion's share of this money was stolen by the Chinese, according to statistics, the Russians are in second place, that is, the Russian share of 400 billion dollars went, well, that's a lot, yeah, it was necessary there, you make, like, a duplicate of the identity, you open an account somewhere, I don't know all the details, but you had to buy it there additionally, date of birth, that is, find, well, social security number, all the data, that is, date of birth, ideally, addresses and everything else, the USSR, and you make, well, like, a second, well, just a clone of it, like we cloned credit cards back in the day, you clone a person's identity in the same way.
And how exactly did they pay there, to the account, most likely, to the account, well, like, they opened, maybe, accounts in banks, remotely, most likely. They definitely opened them in neobanks, you understand?
Interviewer:
The scale is, of course, total.
Carder:
That is, in Payoneer or in this one, in ICER, currency, N26 and other neobanks, please. That is, they, yes, KSC did not exist then, only now these circles started to appear. Yes, I just opened WISE, I opened it there without any problems on a different FIO. Well, on my own, I just have several passports, and mine are written slightly differently. And, by the way, there is such a joke with KSC, I can’t, there are not many of them in the world, Anfida, SamSap and there, in short, 3-4 companies that do this verification by face.
And I have such a crap, I myself can’t go through Sabovsky anymore, it says, go to hell, because I went through on a Belarusian passport, my Sergey is written there differently than others in the passports Sergey, and there Si Arkhey and the surname Pavlovich there Paulovich. And she, in short, wrote me down like that, you know, some time ago, and when I now give her another passport, my own, yes, just with a different spelling, she, in short, screw it.
That's it, she says, you're not getting through, I can't do it on Baybit, I'm using my wife's account, I can't get verified.
Interviewer:
If she just knows, well, yeah.
Carder:
They wrote back to me and said, well, let's go to this link, well, the same thing. I said, well, as you wish, I said, well, I'm a web client, that is, I'll start you for half a million, but if you don't want me to be your client, I told you that this nonsense doesn't work in my case. I even explained to you why, most likely, it doesn't work. Well, you don't want it, well, suck it. Bybit, hi. Although Bybit, by the way, is very convenient for trading, much more convenient than Binance. I don't know who created Bybit, Russians or non-Russians, who the owner is.
But, in my opinion, for trading, I'm not that sophisticated, but I've seen some exchanges, traded.
Interviewer:
It seems to be Chinese, but who knows.
Carder:
In short, it's very cool for trading, namely in terms of features, in terms of capabilities, it's just awesome.
Interviewer:
I won't argue. Binance blocked me, so Bybit is good. This stage in life, let's call it, with carding, did you do anything else in parallel? That is, as I understand it, you didn't really like it, you didn't take it very seriously. And did you do anything else? White or additionally not white?
Carder:
I didn't do anything, because in carding your time is constantly, well, you are constantly busy. It, you know, it turns into such a good lifestyle. You have enough money, at the peak I was already earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a month. Well, I sold cards, I didn't do anything myself, I sold specifically these non-electronic numbers, you can buy something somewhere on the Internet. And we were already making normal physical cards, counterfeiting them.
And cards with PIN codes happened, often. Then you just withdraw all the cash from an ATM. That is, it was the highest, so to speak, aerobatics. They were rare, we came across them quite often, but in general they were rare on the market. Back then, a PIN code was not needed everywhere for purchases. And there were frequent cases when he would write down someone else's dump, well, this is the information from the magnetic strip of your card.
It is slightly different from the one we pay for on the Internet, because the dump has a few more encrypted digits, like access to your bank account for an iron machine, this is for a post terminal or an ATM.
And we even wrote down, I sometimes wrote down these dumps, an encoder, such a device was used, well, there, it cost a thousand or two dollars, well, two at once, and then cheaper, a thousand, and now, probably, about six hundred dollars, I wrote it down on all sorts of discount cards, and right in the stores there were funny cases, there, well, expired Visa cards, all sorts of Diner's Club cards, or American Express, Visa Dump, for example.
They have a difference, the master starts with a five, the first digit is always, the master card is a five, Visa has a four, Amex has a three, DineSlab, I think, has a six, JCB is also there, in short, they have some of their own digits, but this is Amex three, Visa four, master five, this has always been and is, and probably will be, so you write it down, go to the store, they say, so your card is made of glass? You say, no, it’s fine there, they extended it, like, that’s it. Or they say, but this is not a visa, we say, yes, it’s a visa, well, so where is the logo, the hologram, the logo?
Well, they almost always did it, everything was fine there, but sometimes it wasn’t quite fine. Then you had to tell some kind of fairy tale so that they wouldn’t call the police right away.
Interviewer:
Did you go there physically yourself or did you send someone?
Carder:
Well, we went ourselves, at first you just go there yourself to test the topic, to see what the pitfalls are, how they look at the quality of the card, find fault. Or just recorded it on a left-hand blank, yes, some old lady there, I don’t know, some foreigner, to ask if she had documents, they asked about expensive purchases.
And it was necessary that, you know, they formally needed the name on the documents and on the card to match. Well, that you didn’t find someone else’s, but specifically, like, your tablet. Well, then, that’s why they started counterfeiting documents on the market. We then counterfeited all of this ourselves, too. We bought it right away, then counterfeited it ourselves. And I started a carder forum on the Internet. And I had these... There were all sorts of sellers and Bulgarians who made it for me. In short, I had a pretty good marginalist there too. They made me, let’s say, a set. Well, it’s a German passport, it turns out, foreign.
SVASI has this ID, there’s an internal card, like a license. And the rights, and France, there Germany, for example. I paid for them, I think, 300 euros or something per set, and sold them for a thousand, one and a half thousand dollars. That is, I had a real gap there.
Interviewer:
And aren't there holograms or could they be used somewhere outside the countries, but inside it would be immediately detected?
Carder:
Documents?
Interviewer:
Yes, like a license, ID.
Carder:
Well, we didn't sell them at all. Well, we immediately said that it would be kind of scary to cross the border with them, yes. But I have had people travel on these more than once, but they traveled, you know, mainly within the European Union, where there is this green corridor, where, well, they sometimes looked, yes, but there it’s not so much, yes, that is, mainly for this, that is, so that someone could fly directly under a compass, I don’t know, from France to the USA, well, it’s unlikely, I think it’s some kind of crazy fighter, well, and again, even if we assume that he’s really good,
Well, an ideal passport, yes, well, France, from France, of course, well, in France it is better never to show it to anyone, because, I don’t know, the border guard, it seems to me, knows by touch how many verses are stitched into the original passport. That is, it is better not to do such weird things at all. Well, in general, everyone who is engaged in the sale of counterfeit documents, different ones, printed, re-glued, corrected, well, they all kind of recommend it. Well, you have an Israeli passport, but it is better to go to Israel in general.
Never in your life enter with it, because with your Ryazan mug, Yes, the border guard will ask, say la haim or something, well, that’s it, and you immediately….
How I ended up in prison, a trial.
Interviewer:
And it is better not to get involved with cards, or documents, or anything else counterfeit, that is, sooner or later it will definitely lead to something bad. We've just reached an interesting point. You have hundreds of thousands, one thread, then another, everything is going well. Well, I think it's a very interesting, vibrant life from the point of view of being able to satisfy your desires.
Well, I'm still 20, even younger. And my age is just so dynamic. Did you have any background anxiety or thoughts that they could follow you or take you? Because the time was different anyway, the level of noise about such things, I don't know, it seems to me, was almost nonexistent, unless you were really into it.
Carder:
Well, remember yourself at that age, the sea was knee-deep, it didn't matter at all, you didn't think much. Well, I thought, yes, that somehow something could happen somewhere, well, not about prison, but I was putting money aside for a rainy day. More precisely, you know how, it’s not that I even saved, it’s just that there was so much of it that I spent much less, and I managed to save, probably, 90% of my income.
And at the time when I was accepted there, I had, well, such a stash, there, 200-300 thousand dollars saved up, and this money really, well, really helped somewhere to get less than I should have, yes. But in Belarus it’s just extremely difficult, let’s say, because there are countries, yes, where the law works, there are countries where corruption works, the law doesn’t work.
So, in Belarus the situation is complicated by the fact that the law doesn’t work, you can’t say that you violated, well, that’s not it, that’s not it. Let’s all parties comply with the law, and not only criminals, citizens, I mean, but also investigators and judges, everyone should comply then. You are one of us, we are one of us. But that's not how it works there, and you can't solve anything through corruption, because the management company scared everyone there, and it was somehow difficult to resolve the issues, really difficult, and, well, it was necessary to really twist and turn, that's it.
But those who have relatives who are high-ranking officials have managed to solve them, and they still manage to do so. I saw, I saw, when the prosecutor general comes in, there, and pulls a guy, his relative, out of my cell, an hour later he leaves, is generally released, well, I saw, yes. Well, in general, squirrels, such issues have practically never been solved and are not being solved.
Interviewer:
How did this moment happen? When approximately? Or is it a long story, several times?
Carder:
It is, yes, quite a long one, but I was already living in Ukraine, because in Belarus they somehow left a lot of traces there. I sold cards to them right there in Belka. Well, you know, they broke the rule. You can’t work on crime where you live. Not only in the city, it’s not even desirable in the country. And I sold some cards there, they somewhere later, when they accepted them, they mentioned my last name, there was a search of my place, but they didn’t find anything, although I no longer lived there in the country, but I was already kind of on everyone’s lips.
Then I had some other guys as accomplices, we bought, we really needed to make some money, and we bought with fake credit cards, there was almost nothing to buy in Belarus, there were no post-terminals in stores, you understand? That is, for cash, please, but cards weren’t developed yet. And, figuratively speaking, in the whole of Minsk, there were 10-20 points for two million, where you could buy something with a card, watches, something else.
And we bought groceries, really well, they were sold well later. Well, what kind of liquid ones, like cigarettes, vodka, there were places to sell them, basically, for practically the same money. And we, yes, once, in a car, straight from the bank, we took a car from a friend, a real cash-in-transit car, and bought 2 thousand dollars worth of vodka, cognac, cigarettes. And we loaded it right into this car, imagine.
Cash-in-transit in color. We were completely freaked out. The security guard simply copied us. The security guard copied us. This was the European experience. The Belarusian store was so big. And that's all. And then, when some claims came there on the card, he said, young people were going. I saw that you spend money left and right, that you buy a lot of things, you pay with a credit card, and so they loaded it into such-and-such a bus.
The head of the security service, he even wrote down the number with great care. Well, and that banker from whom we took it, although he knew who, what and to whom, and why he was giving, but he, naturally, oh, no, no. Well, my accomplices said that in general, and I just left, lived in Ukraine, and they were accepted there in Minsk, and they generally gave up the whole situation, that, oh, yes, we were shopping, but we didn’t know that the card was fake, it was all him, it was all him, you know, although they were there... They
were in the know. And then, when they caught me, somehow, well, there, some Ukrainian bandits set me up, I already, in short, left from there. A long story, it’s written there in my book, the link is in the description. And I left from there, and the squirrels, in general, accepted me, and what was there, they gave me how much? Two and a half years.
Interviewer:
You came back to Belarus from Ukraine because of the Kiev and, well, Ukrainian bandits.
Carder:
And they accepted me after six months, I think.
Interviewer:
So, not at the border for another six months?
Carder:
No, it seems like it all comes down to the fact that... Well, there were just people there to decide, there was the banker and my accomplices, it seems like the case is on the back burner, it's lying somewhere in the archive. And it seems like it all comes down to the fact that my stepfather turned me in, that he really didn't love me. He turned me in to the KGB.
Interviewer:
And did he know everything or did he suspect?
Carder:
Well, there was some guy somewhere who was digging something, you know, he dug something up somewhere, heard something somewhere, maybe some conversations with my mother somewhere. Yes, but the irony of fate is that we were then sitting in neighboring cells, yes, he never had any connection to the criminal world, but he strangled a man while drunk. And that's it, and he was sitting in the cell next to me, he saw her by chance in the corridor, and I said to one cop, well, here's a two-ruble note, in short, I need him to get into my cell.
So, he says, no, so what, not for any money, because he obviously understood what could await him, and he, he says, from the first days he signed up with the prison director and wrote that he had a conflict with you, so that under no circumstances, even accidentally, should we cross paths anywhere, so excuse me, but no, your request is denied. And that's it, and they gave me 2.5 years.
Interviewer:
And what were you accused of, under what article, of what?
Carder:
It was 212.4 of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Belarus, it was, in short, there were two articles, one 222, this is counterfeiting of payment instruments, that is, not counterfeiting money, for counterfeiting money directly. One article is for counterfeiting securities, the second I had for payment instruments, well, like credit cards. And the second article is theft using computer equipment, because you make a card using computer equipment.
A post-terminal is, in fact, also computer equipment, and ATMs, they are connected to computer networks. So theft, yes, the fourth part directly from 6 to 15 articles was serious, especially grave. It is really hard to break away from such. But the prosecutor says that some of the episodes were completely left-wing. And she says that I do not see, it was not proven in the courtroom that these are their episodes, their groups.
And my accomplices shout, yes, these are ours, ours. Well, you know, it's like this, you've already decided more or less, you know that you're going home, you've been asked for three years of chemistry. That is, well, it's a penal colony, in short. They asked for three and a half years of imprisonment there, the other part was no longer from six to fifteen, at the initiative of the prosecutor, but from three to ten. And they're asking for three and a half for me, for them, three.
Well, and you, damn it, are going home tomorrow, well, why the hell are you shouting now? They just rejected the episodes, yeah, well, which give us all six to fifteen.
Interviewer:
Strange approach.
Carder:
And you, well, like, right now, all of us, all of us today have from three to ten, And no matter how much we don’t have to shout that we disagree, give us back from six to fifteen, can you imagine, fools. That’s all. And yes, well, we were lucky, the prosecutor was okay, and the judge, in principle, was probably okay.
Interviewer:
And there was still disappointment.
Speaker?:
We were lucky without any special...
Carder:
There was still disappointment. What kind of plan? They asked for 3.5, and you know, as a rule, the court gives the same amount as the prosecutor asks for, or less. Well, that’s the rule. It’s everywhere in the world, plus or minus, an unspoken rule. But the prosecutor asks, it’s like the state, it asks for five...
Interviewer:
Like he’s always a maximum of an ordinary one?
Carder:
Well, not always, it varies, but he asks for five, but why does a person need ten? That is, the state prosecution will be satisfied with a five, maybe a four, so they either give the same or less. This is an unspoken rule all over the world. And here, it turns out, they were asked for three, I am 3.5, as the organizer of this whole action, they are given 3, well, chemistry, consider house arrest, and they give me, 5 imprisonment. And it is so rare when a judge gives more.
Yes, they gave me 5, like, well, a year later an amnesty came out, they cut a year off me, like 4. But still, like, it is unpleasant. Of course, I tell the lawyer, what the hell. She says, like... Well, of course, she was just justifying herself, that she could not do something there. She said that if they had given 3, then the higher prosecutor would have 100% appealed, and you would have received 10. But like this, they gave more than they formally asked for, there is no reason to appeal.
I don't know how much of it was true and how much was fiction, but that's the fact. And to be honest, my jaw dropped. Because I had one case with these accomplices later, and one where and alone. Namely, making cards. And I had this judge, you know, well, another prosecutor, and so he, the prosecutor, in short, came across such a goat, he died recently, yes, in the kingdom of heaven, there was just, in short, this happened, this was, you know, the son of this, Yermoshina, this is the chairman of the Central Election Commission of the permanent Belarus, yes, and, in short, the dude asks for 8 years for me, and the same judge.
I think, listen, if she gave me an A with three and a half, what will she give me now with an Eight?
Interviewer:
And all this is added up on top, right?
Carder:
It can be, in short, if you have some serious articles in your composition, it, in short, in my case it could no longer be an absorption, it could only be partial or complete, even at the discretion of the judge. In my opinion, partial in my case. But in general, I understood that they could give me a normal sentence now, I thought that I would hear ten, considering the unpredictability of the judge, when she gave me 5 with 3.5, I thought that now it was 8, and now I would get 10.
No, it worked out, she gave me a year, what was taken off me under the amnesty, she added. That is, I got 6 clean, and minus a year, in short, 5 clean. Clean 5 years. And I was 21 years old then.
Interviewer:
At 21?
Carder:
Well, already at the time of the 22, well, I had already spent a lot of time in prison, and then another amnesty. In short, out of that six-year term minus, I ended up serving 2.5 years under the amnesty.
Interviewer:
2.5.
Carder:
But still 2.5. One of my accomplices was not even in the pretrial detention center alone, he was there until six months before the verdict. But they went home, well, no matter. But it didn’t teach me anything, that this was my first term. Then I ended up behind bars a second time and was released. In principle, I had money, yes, some there, quite a lot. I didn’t have to get involved in crime.
Interviewer:
That was after the first one.
Carder:
Start some kind of business of my own. Well, and I got out, made a few deals with some old clients, there, selling cards, somehow restored connections, dug up new channels, well, and then other people were already doing this, I was no longer doing this at all, I was building some kind of personal life for myself, trying some businesses, that’s it. But I have done several deals with an American special agent, they have a tactic, they used it successfully against the Italian mafia back in the 70s.
You know, tactics, they are like, well, why touch these small fry, of which there are countless in any criminal environment, be it on the Internet, be it in real life, in any country. And they prefer, as it were, undercover agents, that is, they introduce their agents into groups, into cartels,
Interviewer:
Who really for a long time, with trust.
Carder:
Drugged for years, sometimes decades. Yes, and in our environment there were also such who did not show themselves as agents at all for 3-5 years. There were even cases, not with me, but with the guys, when they went on vacation together, there were not even arrests, although there was already evidence, in principle, but there was already something to arrest for then, but they were not.
Interviewer:
They hatched.
Carder:
Yes, and we also had such an agent. I thought he was one of my best customers, but he was a US Secret Service agent. He bought cards from us a lot with his brother Mindward. He bought everything from us many times. Ryan, hi.
Now he works at Macy's or at Target, the head of anti-service security somewhere, yes, and that's it, and it turns out, here they take me for the second time in Belka, they're giving me 10 years for this, for everything, they're asking for 14, I'm the only one on the case there, I'm the only one, but I'm, in short, the leader of an organized crime group with unidentified persons, in short, yes, and they give me there another interesting fact, that, considering that I was hanged by an organized crime group, the organizer and so on, they couldn't legally, according to the Criminal Code, they couldn't give me less than 11.4 there somehow.
In short, they should have given me 3.4 from the maximum, 15 at most, that is, they should have given me 3.4 from the maximum, that's the minimum. For me, it was the minimum, that is, not from 6 to 15, but from 11.4 to 15 I had. But they gave me 10, that is, the judge doesn't even know the laws, you know, to what extent, at what level. And, well, I understand that it was a mistake, 10 was way too much, I didn’t expect to hear so much, of course, well, just a relapse, a previous conviction that hadn’t been expunged yet, everything piled up there, plus, well, he’s not teachable, yeah, well, if he’s a fool, let him sit for a while, maybe he’ll get smarter, well, that’s what happened, in general, and I understood that it was a mistake, but in my favor, and, naturally, I kept a low profile during the first year, quieter than grass, well, I didn’t go to the courts, not to the prosecutor’s office, not to the court, because according to Belarusian law they have a year to correct any mistake.
But if a year has passed, they can’t fix it at all, they can’t do anything that will make my situation worse, that’s if a year has passed. That’s why I waited a year, then I wrote. I wrote them complaints, I said, do you know what I wrote? Well, I understood that no one would give me anything, a term, but even so, they kind of gave me less than they should have. I wanted the organizer of the organized crime group to be removed from me, because it could prevent me from applying for the next amnesty, so that they would cut a year off.
And I write them a good, reasoned complaint on 6-8 pages, I say, well, it doesn’t seem to be a little bit, I say, basically, you gave me less than this, so now just remove this wording that’s bothering me.
Interviewer:
And you didn’t violate anything.
Carder:
Yes, and it turns out, yes, because of this, your sentence is not within the framework of the Criminal Code, well, it’s also kind of unfair. But they answer me, I write eight pages, they write eight lines, like, there, Sergei Alexandrovich, sit and don't lie, like, be glad that we, well, there, you know, it's not written, but you understand that between the lines, you read, yes, we made a mistake, but we made a mistake in your favor, be grateful for that, sit and don't lie,
that's about it. And I realized that, well, I probably should sit already, like, And I've already exhausted all my attempts, plus or minus all my early releases. And I realized that... Well, of course, I was worried. I had a girl there, I loved her very much, 10 times more than myself. And of course, I wanted to somehow get out of there early, because 10, well, a lot.
I wrote my book.
Carder:
And then, when I had essentially exhausted all attempts, I even wrote a book, well, because...
Interviewer:
Did you write it there?
Carder:
Yes, I did, and it came out while I was still in prison. All the cops were freaking out there, like, how could that even happen. And everything was written online, it was handed over to the publisher. It came out, and I was still in prison after that. It came out, I think, in '12 or '13. I was just released in '16. And I wrote, first of all, it was cool, like a diary. You know, I was escaping from the harsh reality of prison into my own fucked up places. That's all, and I wrote. It was a really cool way to spend my time.
Plus a lot of useful stuff. And it's like a really cool book came out. Without any unnecessary fluff. I'm collecting reviews. I started not so long ago, about two years ago I started collecting what people wrote to me about it. I have about 700 reviews on my site, all screen shots. And all of them are very positive, and, firstly, they teach in many law schools, in Belarusian ones, almost all of them, probably all of them, yes, and in the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and in civilian universities.
And then some videos from my YouTube channel are shown in all sorts of places, in chemistry, there, in Belarus, yes, about drugs, and wait and see what happens. And in every zone, in every prison, it is now there, my book, but many places have banned it, but it’s not that my book was banned, but they simply banned any fiction in Belarus, for example. Many political ones, you should suffer, you shouldn’t read newspapers in the toilet.
Well, and something like that. And in the end, I wanted to write a book so that I would immediately think, well, as if I understood that according to the law, no one would release me earlier on complaints, I wrote a book so that somehow, when I would file a petition for pardon, I would file it in the end, to give it some more weight, more notoriety, so that this request of mine would at least somehow, no longer reach Lukashenko, of course, but reach the presidential administration and remain unnoticed.
Already yes, yes, no, no. They answered me completely, as if they had not read, of course. And I realized that I had tried all attempts at early release, exhausted them, or rather, and I do not have the opportunity to go out the gate tomorrow, but I suddenly had a whole bunch of free time that I could spend on something useful.
Interviewer:
That is, in any situation, find how you can apply yourself.
Carder:
Well, yes, but this, you know, turns out that you are immediately swimming against the current. But I do live now, this is probably an Eastern philosophy of life in general. When you find yourself in some negative situation, well, of course, you don't have to sit there like a sucker, or like a fish, waiting to be killed. No. I think you have to do everything in your power to try to fix this situation. In principle, everything can be fixed, except death.
To fix the situation, to try to free yourself, I don’t know, to compensate the victims for some damage, your health, if you were in an accident. Well, in short, you need to fix the situation you found yourself in with all your might. But if, like in my case, I tried everything, all the methods available to me, absolutely everything, except for escape. Well, escape in that situation is already pointless, because they will give you more than what is left to sit.
And if nothing worked out, but I could tell myself and now I can say that my conscience in terms of attempts is absolutely clear, I used everything, absolutely everything, then all that remains is to simply accept this, let’s say, as a will, I don’t believe in God, of course, but as a will, let it be the higher powers in relation to you, and understand what you are needed for. You are deprived of pure freedom of movement, but you are not deprived of the freedom to think, dream, analyze, which leads you to prison time and time again, in my case, this is exactly what happened time and time again.
To dream, to compose some, to write books and read, books, hundreds of books, thousands, in the case of some, and to make some plans for the future, even business plans, which I am now working on, and have implemented much of it. That's it, I relaxed then, I served out several years there.
Interviewer:
So the full term, right, the second one?
Carder:
Well, almost the full term. It turns out I had 10 years, they took 2 years off my sentence under amnesty, and, in short, I served 7.5 years in total. I was able to, well, that is, they took off two years under amnesty, it turns out, yes, they would have taken off more, but I just, since I had an outstanding previous conviction, I was not eligible for amnesty for five years. That is, ideally, if not for this, I probably would have caught not two amnesties, but four.
But, again, it wasn't the fact that it caught me, because in the zone too, in normal zones and mobile phones, etc., somewhere you were caught with it, that's it, a violation, you don't qualify for amnesty. That is why on the whole it turned out not bad, but I sat for 7.5 years, and then 2.5. In the end, I have 10.5 years behind bars, and I was released, and I realized that I don't need this. This carding leads me to prison time and time again, something goes wrong.
And they ask me, like, behind bars, do you know how much money you had? Well, these crosses, collective farm ones, they ask. You say, well, I earned a million 200 dollars in my career as a criminal. They're like, oh, for that kind of money I'd sit there my whole life, well, I'm not ready, excuse me, yeah, if you haven't been caught, well, great, you have a million 200 dollars in your pocket, there, at 20 years old, there, everything's great, it's like now, I don't know, five million, well, everything's great, and when you're caught,
you divide it by 10 years, you get 120 thousand dollars a year, well, like, excuse me, they say, like, for some, well, I'd sit there for 10 years, no problem, But I'm not ready to sit for a year for 120, excuse me, yeah, ten months.
Interviewer:
Completely different. How much time did you have between stints on the outside?
Carder:
Well, a little less than a year and a half. It's embarrassing to even talk about it, to be honest. Well, that's how it happened, and that's it. And after that I realized that I wouldn't have a life in Belka anyway, yes. That is, they would keep an eye on me. Moreover, there were corrupt cops there, they tried to pressure me to work under their roof. It's a long story. In short, they ended up going to jail themselves. By the way, I talk to some of them. Well, you know, I say, you're already gangsters too, well, that's it.
That is...
Interviewer:
On the other side.
Carder:
Yes, one was recently tried, my investigator, by the way, in the second case he was recently tried in Belarus for extremism. For elections, rallies and all that. Well, for me, these are indicators, to be honest. That is, well, an indicator of a normal person, a conscience.
Interviewer:
Whoever he is and so on, yes.
Carder:
Moreover, he, like, is not trash for a long time, and he heads the Belarusian department, like, of the IB group, it is a very well-known private cybersecurity company, well, they are my friends, we constantly shoot with them, I flew to Singapore, now I will fly to Chile with them to continue shooting, these are my kints, and he heads their Belarusian office, so there are no hard feelings. In principle, at the time when he was investigating my case, I was offended by him, because the first time I had a normal investigator, we came to an agreement.
Well, in what sense, he says, I convicted you in one case, now I am already bad with the second case, I will not get additional. Stars on my shoulder straps, and you already, like. Come on, just admit your guilt, and instead of a bunch of articles, I will hang this one on you, the simplest, most understandable one. This will save me from having to send hundreds of requests to every country in the world. He will relieve you of the necessity, you will simply get a shorter term, and that's it. I had to believe him, because it is not fixed, it is a deal in no way.
This happens in the West, everything is signed there, yes, verbally. But I had to believe, well, there was logic in his words, at least. My lawyer and I are talking, we have no choice, if he finds, that's the situation with us, I'm already in prison. And with this one, I admit, he is a cool guy, then he went to work at a bank, there is corruption there too, this also affected him a little, although I think he was not there with his bodies. He invited me to a performance at the bank, but I had already stopped going to Belarus by then.
And the second one, you see, he slightly, well, not that he put pressure on me, did not keep his promises. I say, when will you close the case? Well, I'll come tomorrow. I did another three months. You sit like a sheep, but it's hard, you know. When you are in a pretrial detention center, your beloved woman is not allowed to visit you, even for a short visit. That is why I was offended at him at that moment, but not now. If he needs something, he will write to me with some help, why not, I am an ordinary person, I will not refuse.
That is why I left Belarus for Moscow. And that is all, and there I moved…
Interviewer:
A clean slate, but with a lot of experience.
Moving to Moscow, doing business.
Carder:
Yes, and with $30,000 in my pocket. After my release, out of all the money I ever had, I had $30,000 left in my pocket, I moved to Moscow with it, it was hard. I started a business there, cashback, domes, and so on, well, in e-commerce. I never intended to go to YouTube at all. I slowly tried to move into e-commerce with a lack of money, as if it were very difficult.
Interviewer:
This was in 2016, right?
Carder:
Yes, in the summer of 2016. And $30,000, then I attracted another hundred to one of my businesses, I think. Well, I moved somehow. That business is still running. Cashbackservice, I'll take it to a new level now, because my favorite brainchild is the first one, yes, serious, independent, it was deprived of my attention, because I went to YouTube. I'm still there. And on YouTube, just like I once got into cybercrime by accident, I also got on YouTube by accident.
They happen. You know, dangers happen, to become a star, to lose yourself, to get a lot of money, to get high, or something else.
That's what's good about the zone, I think that it would be good for many, like Khovansky, when he was locked up, I shouted, said, don't scream, it's okay, it's good for him, he'll go sit there for a while, that everything is okay, at least he'll start cleaning up after himself, because when he was arrested, there was a hut there, well, just like a homeless shelter. Well, I've never seen a homeless shelter, that someone in the country had such a hut.
Interviewer:
There was a complete lack of discipline.
Carder:
That's why... And Guberman has this poet Igor Guberman, he's really great, I once saw his book in prison by chance. He wrote these four verses, he himself was there in Soviet times for speculation, or whatever they call gariki of four verses, gariki, chamber verses, because he wrote them in a cell. And there are, I don't remember exactly, I know many of them by heart, but I don't remember this one completely, like, when you're sick with a long childhood, although you've grown up and aren't stupid, I would think that the best remedy for six months is prison soup.
I remembered. Well, that is, yes, what he's talking about, that is, you've grown up, but your brain is still a fool, well, like, six months of prison soup would be good for you. But I think that, firstly, not six months, but much more, well, a year or two. Yes, in general, everything that, when you are young, not burdened with a family, sick children, elderly parents, wives, well, in general, any term is easy to take.
In the context of what exists... In short, anything ending in a soft sign is already hard. 5, 6, 7... Any of us, any of you, will get 20-30 years up to a five. Any term up to a five for an easy one. A five is already hard physically and psychologically. If you end up in some godforsaken zone, where everything is red, everything is laid out in white, they address you, there, oh, you got up there not at 6:00, but at 6:01, horror, isolation ward, there, well, in short, you go, yeah, the end of amnesty, there, early release, it's a tough psychological thing, that's it.
Therefore, it's better, yes, really not to end up there, and for that it's better not to engage in crime in the first place, that's it.
Interviewer:
One hundred percent.
Carder:
And, you know, I analyzed why my life happened like that. That is, we had no money at all in our families. I know a lot of cybercriminals in the world in general. That's it. And we had no money in our families at all, yes. Although, well, some inclinations, talents, some Soviet education, humanitarian, technical, institute, but still not bad. There were remnants of it. And plus, we got to the computer early, that's all.
But at the same time, we had no money, we had good technical skills and the Internet appeared in Belarus quite early, but we did not have any moral principles at all.
Interviewer:
Not mature.
Carder:
Respect for other people's private property, yes. Now they steal my credit cards, sometimes they steal from my credit cards too. Once they stole cards in Kiev, I still don't know how. The new card is in an envelope in my pocket, I go to a restaurant in Sochi to pay, I have no money on it. They hit me in Google games, well, in short, in some games Google didn’t return it to me, they said, it’s all the same, you did it to me yourself. Qiwi returned it, but through a chargeback to Visa.
But it happens. And now I understand how my victims feel when he needs to fly somewhere, he has no money, or buy medicine for a child. And now, of course, I put myself in their place. And DOS attacks, for example, I have a lot of different businesses on the Internet. But there are a lot of them, I don’t know, I just don’t count anymore, from 20 to 30. They are in different stages of neglect. Some 5-7 projects, they generate cash, sometimes huge, which is enough to pay salaries.
My salary is 50-100 thousand dollars a month, I pay the salary fund in other projects that have not yet been launched. Well, when my projects are DDoS'd, for example, it's unpleasant, and I understand that, well, like, but I was in their place, yes, with all these cybercriminals. Now on the other side. That's why we didn't have any moral principles, we were very hungry for money, and we did this.
And now, it seems to me, there are many more opportunities to earn money than then. For example, when I was 21, well, not 21, but a little earlier, 18-20, when I finished school, when I went to college, working part-time somewhere, working more precisely, and paying me $ 500 at that time, well, now it would be a thousand or a thousand and a half, I would not have gone into crime at all, I would have worked well in PR, everything would have been great. Therefore, without money, this also played a big role, but now there are many more opportunities.
I have 70 to 80 employees in my company now, and on YouTube everywhere, and in our media, and in IT projects there are many programmers, but among them there are many guys who came to us at 17, There are those who came at 16. They have been with us for 3-4 years.
Speaker?:
It's cool that you accept.
Carder:
They come, these are all my subscribers. They understand who I am and how they can be useful. If a person correctly forms some offer, that I can do this, this, this in your team. Interesting. Well, let's try. They earn differently. We have very expensive positions. These are iOS developers, signers. You yourself understand how much it costs. It can't cost a thousand dollars, but probably the minimum for the guys who work with us from YouTube, who also do something else.
I think, two, probably. Now they are not 16, but 19, 18, 20 for some. But they have been growing with us for a long time, and you see your two, they earn. In those years, when I could dream about it. The Internet made all this possible and real, and all the sites, there, FL.Ru, but it has deteriorated greatly. Quark, for example, where you can take a task in any way, work part-time with operators, translators, and plus... In
the moment, get. Yes, and plus now the GPT chat, this... GPT, I can't pronounce it, yes. I say, the GPT chat, I don't care. Plus YouTube and knowledge of the world's networks, well, they kind of make crime, and especially this kind of crime, well, not really very profitable, yes, they make it meaningless, it seems to me.
Times have changed.
Interviewer:
I agree, absolutely. Even if you enter the same crypto topic correctly, just due to your regular activity you can even earn significant money.
Carder:
Airdrops, retrodrops, staking, all that. I know young guys too, who are into crypto. Well, it's not like they're exactly the stars, but they earn one and a half to three thousand dollars a month, also with a website, well, somewhere around 20.
The goal of launching a YouTube channel.
Interviewer:
Yes, yes. Well, there are many examples. I'll give you a couple of key points. Here's YouTube, yes, when did you launch it, and what was the goal at the time of launching it? A thought, an idea? I mean, why?
Carder:
I've never been involved in YouTube, I wasn't even interested in it. Naturally, I'm interested in business, I've always been interested in the histories of various companies, startups, etc. Well, naturally, I knew when it was created, why, what, why and for how much Google bought it for 1.65 billion in what year. I knew all this, but before I created my channel, I watched a couple of Lady Gaga clips on YouTube and a couple of videos on how to pump up my abs. And that's it, I wasn't interested in it.
And then my friend calls me from Sweden, he saw there about a competing cashback service on the Transformer channel, they made a video.
Interviewer:
Oh, and then Transformer.
Carder:
Yes, and I watched it, I didn't know who Transformer was, he knew Lady Gaga from Ting. And I watched it, I liked it, it's cool, he did that about Lady Shops, about my competitor. I called them, wrote to them somehow. I say, how much will it cost to do something like this about my company? They told me 45 thousand dollars. By the way, I had a hundred dollars then, I brought my business into this. Well, I thought, damn, well, no way. For 45 thousand dollars I will start my own channel.
Well, and I started everything. And since I had already written a book, yes, I had experience. Well, there was one girl there, my friend, a journalist, she suggested, she said, insert more dialogues into the book, it will dilute it, so to speak. That's exactly it. And by the way, I used it, I liked this technique. I put many complex things that I would like to explain to the viewer in the form of, for example, dialogues with a lawyer. She doesn't know anything about these cybercrime topics at all. I tell her step by step, that is, dialogues. And I had experience with dialogues for a book, and that's why I started an interview, because there are also dialogues there.
And there, like you're sitting there now, mostly silent. And I mostly keep quiet on my channel. That is, if a person came, if he is a particularly notorious liar, he will tell you everything himself, he will do all the work for you. And we have been moving forward on YouTube from the first days. And I do not prepare for now at all. It is just that all the processes are built in such a way that YouTube takes up about 5% of my time.
I find out who we are filming about 10 minutes before entering this studio. Sometimes a little earlier, when I leave home by car, well, I am not driving specifically, but on the side, I open my laptop, look at who we are filming, what questions, approximately, there, I add a few of my own. That is, people are already working on all this, they have been ready for a long time. And, well, in fact, few people have YouTube built at the level that we have. We have invented many advertising formats ourselves, that is, they are not there in the vast expanses of the CIS.
We put a sign on TV, not a neon sign, there's something else, a couple more advertising formats. I'm sitting in a brand T-shirt, for example. I cut shorts in a brand T-shirt specifically. Well, in short, my own movie. That's it. That's why I approach all processes, you know, not as creativity anymore. I don't give a damn, I don't know, I'll go dance bachata, or I go to yoga, that's my creativity.
But what about as a business, as a business process. That is, why should we bother so much about the quality of the video? That there were videos on which we spent three times more time, money and energy than on regular ones. But you spend x3, and get an increase of 0.1. That is, it is 10% better in terms of views.
Speaker?:
Of course.
Carder:
And we decided that we will take quantity always and everywhere.
Interviewer:
Well, it's clear that... But the quality is still high. Well, we try, yes.
Carder:
We try, but we don't bother. That is, for us, it is much more valuable to launch 8 issues or even 12 per month, where there will be 12 advertisements of other people's money, or our products, or partner ones via referral links, we earn a lot via referral links, much more than the money that advertisers pay us. And for us, 12 videos are much more valuable than one, very high-quality one, but one.
Interviewer:
The story is still there, the person is there, and that's always the main thing.
Carder:
Well, it was easier for me to go on YouTube than for many of you, because at least I already had a book. You see, and the book, it made me famous, well, I was already known on all sorts of cybercriminal forums, but that was that wave, they closed down a long time ago while I was sitting, and that's it. And already on the new ones, I became famous thanks to the book, and everyone remembers it since then. And it was probably much easier for me than for many of you, because even a normal path on YouTube is considered, well, not optimal, but within the norm, is when you have a thousand subscribers in a year.
That is, many there, like, grow slowly. Well, in general, in the world, the average picture for a year is a thousand. For the second - up to ten. And the third can already be a hundred, and a million, and two hundred. Well, there, in short, there is already a non-linearity, yes. But if you have a thousand subscribers in two years, a thousand in the first year, then this is normal, if you collected a grand in a year.
It was easier for me, and I gained ... Well, after prison, I gave out just tens, sometimes hundreds later, due to a number of circumstances, interviews in the press and in the media. And these were world-class media. Fortune, and Forbes, and Fox News, and CNN.
Interviewer:
They did not contact me themselves, but they wanted to hear.
Carder:
Yes, yes, yes, and CNN, and all that stuff. So that all helped me too. And those TV interviews, they maybe trained me a little, so that I'm not afraid of the camera. And when the situation arose that I needed to somehow get on YouTube, when I accidentally ended up on it, it all worked out very well, because it gave me a huge experience, a bunch of interesting connections and acquaintances around the world, including with you, with many interesting, great, smart people, with many of them I started joint businesses,
and YouTube gives me traffic fuel for all my projects and partner projects, where we earn money.
Interviewer:
Yes, the media is how the threads go down to all businesses, areas.
Carder:
Money, connections, synergies with projects, the opportunity to enter previously closed doors, and, probably, I would also say, well, such fun, you know, your life becomes much more interesting and fun. Well, and to indulge my vanity a little, because when I walk around some city, I don’t know, in St. Petersburg, and no one recognizes me for half an hour, I’m already stoned. You know, I haven’t yet reached that level of fame, figuratively speaking, like Margenstern and Basta, who just need to leave quickly so that no one recognizes them.
But for me, another half hour, and I’m already stoned. In Thailand, that’s okay, in Thailand, an hour, if I’m stoned.
Interviewer:
And you owe all this to Portnyagin, right?
Carder:
Well, maybe. Well, we talked.
Speaker?:
He motivated me somehow.
Carder:
We haven't talked for a long time, but it's...
Interviewer:
Basically, he motivated me with his price...
Carder:
Indirectly, yes, I came to see him, we exchanged books in the office, a long time ago, yes, that's how it happens, you see, there were two coincidences in life, the first was that I accidentally got into crime, the second was on YouTube, and then you think that, well, probably everything is natural, yes, after all, I studied at the Faculty of Geography, well, sort of, and I am an information and communications specialist.
Interviewer:
Yes, it was a sign of what will happen to you in the future, the choice of profession, although I did not work in it.
Carder:
In general, watch a very interesting film "The Devil's Advocate" with Al Pacino, Keanu Reeves. Gorgeous, yes, in general. In general, a magnificent film, probably one of the top 10 in the world, and my personal top 10 as well. Top 3, probably, even, I would say, mine. So, who watched it, write in the comments what you understood the main thing from this film. Who didn't watch it, run to watch it. And that's it. Now I'm in Thailand, life is good.
What projects are you working on now, cryptocurrency.
Carder:
In terms of work, if you're interested in what's in terms of work. In terms of work, we have projects, well, not counting media, and we have a lot of media. We have more than one YouTube channel. I don't know how many there are, honestly, I don't count. I think we have 7 to 10 channels. My biggest one is People About 900 thousand, next year a million. Well, that's over 7 years, you know. Like this, I could probably get 10 if I tried to get it over so many years. Well, 5 for sure, but the difference is that they're just like me, they're pretty busy.
I watch YouTube about once every 2 months, and they do too, because I know many of my viewers personally, I have many businesses, we're friends with our families. And they're busy people, they're also dudes, many with a hacker, carder background, past or present, they're all sorts of little techies. We counted about 4 thousand security officials of all kinds in the VDFSB using a certain method, in different countries, yes. And people from businesses, like managers, top managers of banks of all kinds, well, there were questions when they wrote to me, helped on their own initiative.
And people with their digital businesses, there, about 40 percent, all kinds of SEO specialists, owners of marketing agencies and so on. And therefore, I think, why are there so few of them, well, there are a priori few of them, that is, they are just the cream of the crop, yes, such an elite. I am very lucky that they have gathered here, yes, there are not many of them, but they are the elite-elite, and if I checked in practice, that is, there are some topics in crypto or somewhere else,
well, I can’t with you capital, well, I don’t have enough, that’s because I found out there, let’s say, not in a week, but in two days, and I understand that if I don’t find half a million dollars now in a day and a half, then I won’t get in myself. And, accordingly, I throw out a cry not even on YouTube, because I don’t have time, but on Instagram and in Telegram at my place. Well, and hop, I get half a million, well, not half a million, 400 thousand for four transactions. 110, 50, 50, 50 and a little bit more there.
That’s all. From people with whom I have never had a single dialogue, I don’t even know who it is. Then you find out that Kolya sold a business where there is commerce for 25 million dollars. Who is this? Well, you can't tell who, but he is a carder 100%, because it is clear from indirect signs who he is. And in the end you see that he is a co-owner of one of our businesses, he earned 15-20x with us on crypto-hop, bought another business from us.
Interviewer:
Strong public reputation, trust through the screen.
Carder:
There was one unpleasant incident. There was one dude, a minor, Harchaevnikov. You can look, I'm not ashamed of this, because it's not true. In short, there was one unpleasant situation. We got into trouble there with Vlad, with my partner, for money. We resolved the issue with everyone we needed to, who approached us, well, to our own detriment, in short. Vlad and I earned 300k, gave 400. That's it. Our conscience is clear, some of the guys didn't want to, they listened to one faggot blogger who promised them, who interfered in something that wasn't his business, I asked, why? You created the situation yourself, you created the problem for me yourself.
They decided to advertise some competing product on my fame, although they themselves are also famous. That's it, I asked them not to bother me, they stirred up the guys, those went to court, those who didn't go to court, and I also broke my leg very badly at that moment, I had a very complicated fracture, who wrote to us to me and Vlad, we resolved the issue with everyone, with everyone, no one
can say that we screwed anyone, well, and those who went to court, well, excuse me, that is, he promised you, well, you went to court, you dragged my name around in court, on the Internet, well, let's, maybe I'll resolve it with you, but then, I'm offended now, well, yes, and it turns out that there is a person, yes, he made a bad video about me, called me a fraud, yes, and the paradox of the situation is that these amounts that I'm telling you, there are 400 thousand, well, it was, well, a week after his video, everyone understood who was who, and they lost
the point to me in the end, if they hadn't gone to court, they would have received their money long ago, we didn't close with everyone right away, because we really got there too, and with some of us, as we agreed, that we give you half at once, or the whole amount with an installment plan for a year, and whoever chose which scheme, we honestly, we say, Well, we can’t. Now we would like to, but we can’t give you everything at once.
We also had troubles. Therefore, it seems to me that the most important thing in business is reputation, name, yes, because money, well, it happens, everyone has shitty situations. That is, it is important how you get out of them and, well, and do you try to fix the situation. That is, do you care, you know, I care, my money, my businesses, I care about my subscribers there and in general I care about my word, first of all. Perhaps this helped, I didn’t have a street as such, I sat with books, and not with the guys in the yard.
Perhaps prison helped me with this. I value my reputation, my name and that’s it. And if we take businesses, then our business now is in e-commerce, this is my cashback, which I thought up in prison, domes, VPN, a couple more small ones in cybersecurity for now, proxies and other things for security.
We have a rating for crypto like bestchange, we have a rating of exchangers, but naturally, bestchange is a good, cool site, it has a lot of traffic, but it is morally outdated, and we did it, since I also have my own audience, it would be a sin not to take advantage of it. And especially since they also exchange money every day, and I exchange almost every day. Yesterday I canceled, for example. And we made the rating of exchangers simply more modern, with an adaptive layout, with an application, with everything.
Well, of course, we are expanding the range of all kinds of services. For example, I personally search in crypto not every day, but once a month, probably once a week I search for 0.5 BTC in USDT or something else. Currency converters, I need rates, I need some such things. Or I often need a transaction explorer, that is, a wallet in the blockchain, or you track the transaction by hash. I search for all this, somewhere I get to some sites through Google.
Accordingly, we are currently deploying this functionality, we have already deployed it, next week both the blockchain and the explorers will start working for each.
Interviewer:
All our own.
Carder:
Yes, so that if I... I just love SEO, SEO traffic specifically, Google, Yandex. I use it in all my projects, I try my best. My friends taught me, they ran my projects, and I watched how they did what, these are friends, specifically, with serious agencies. I learned to do it myself, it seems not bad. And if I search for it somewhere, yes, well, I give traffic to other sites, I go to some MyFinBy converters, my buddies are there too, then now someone will search, come to me.
Accordingly, this increases the value of the asset, that is, the traffic grows, someone will make some exchange, to a partner exchanger. What else do we have in crypto? Yes, probably... Oh, we also have an IML bot. Cool thing, quite marginal. I didn’t know about the IML bot before, I’ve never used it. And then, when the sanctions started, this war….
Interviewer:
Blocking. Wallet blocking. Red marks.
Carder:
Yes, and you understand that I look at my wallet, open it, which I’ve had for 3-4 years, I look, I have 20 percent there, probably, I won’t look for sure, 5% of it are some kind of drug marketplaces, there was no ransomware. There were 15 and 10 percent sanctions. Well, I took everything and changed it, that is, I wouldn’t know it. But if I hadn’t checked EML and sent some Ukrainian exchange to Whitebit, they would have blocked it.
They have a policy that if Russian money is with sanctions. Well, Binance came to me recently.
Interviewer:
Rather a fight.
Carder:
I had someone come in recently, I don't know what the risk was. I was withdrawing from a payment system, I have a crypto payment system connected to some of my products, I was simply withdrawing my own bitcoin from the payment system to Binance, everything else was fine, but the bitcoin was kind of dirty, and they, in short, wrote to me, I said, well, I withdrew from the payment system, here's a screenshot, here's the payment system, what does that have to do with me? They say, well, okay, sort of.
Interviewer:
And that's it, right? Did you miss it?
Carder:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it took about an hour, they write there that it will take almost a year to figure it out, about an hour, and that's it. And this IMLbot, and we have a lot of other services that are for bloggers. We have a thing called Blogger Tools with all sorts of practical moments. Now, for example, there will be, I'll reveal a little secret, soon all the preview designers may quit.
That is, there is preview generation and generation at a very serious level.
Interviewer:
This is really very important, this trinity, cover, title, tags, this is what costs a lot.
Carder:
The most important is the viewing depth, but the cover, yes, is also important.
Interviewer:
Yes, that the first action must be done.
Carder:
Well, we are trying, you know, we are trying now, since for ourselves there are a lot of channels, a lot of media, we are somehow trying to optimize the processes, we will open up these opportunities for others too. For example, the same time codes, a person writes to us for 300-500 rubles, for someone, maybe, they write time codes for a thousand, I don't know. But a person, he writes time codes, he spends time, we spend money. And not always, he is somewhere, maybe in a taxi at school, it does not always work out on time.
We have a video, there are no time codes. And now we are giving this note on automatic tools, which are already becoming completely. We will have a function now. Generation of optimal titles and texts for videos, descriptions. Because even I, with 6.5 years of experience on YouTube, cannot always choose a good title. It happens that, well, you know that this video should go approximately like this, the dynamics are like when you started it, but you watch, damn, it does not go, it does not go.
A picture that you will not redraw every time, it is expensive and time-consuming, and it is normal, good. Then you understand that it is all about the title. You start, once, twice, three times, four times you change it, oh, okay, it went better. So it is better, it is better to do this from the beginning, so that you have a set of normal titles. Well, there are days when you have a bad imagination, well, your head doesn't work. Well, the duty officer wrote what, that's it, now it's not me who writes, my people are there, but their heads also sometimes work just as badly as mine, due to a number of reasons.
And that's why we have such services, like, the name.
Interviewer:
And when will this be launched?
Carder:
The platform is already working, already.
Interviewer:
Can everyone use it?
Carder:
Yes, there are collaborations between channels, that is, you can write, well, you know, here's the problem with bloggers, it doesn't matter if I'm writing to you about some business, or Phillips is offering you a million-dollar contract. The problem is that only 10% of letters even catch the eye of the influencer. And you answer. And you answer, maybe 10%, and 3 out of 10 answered you. And when you need to take a lot of bloggers for some advertising campaign, or something else, then it's very difficult.
You have to cover a large number. And we do what you do to get me to write, I bet, I don't know, 10 dollars or 50. Yes, you pay, I'm guaranteed to read it for this money, you understand? Will I agree with your offer or send you to hell.
Interviewer:
The main thing is that the information gets through.
Carder:
Yes, but if I want to take your $50, I have to give an answer. Not just read the answer. Yes, no, any answer there. And then it depends on you. That is, you spend money, you pay a blogger to read your messages. Accordingly, you must try to quickly and briefly convey what you want. And write not to an ordinary blogger, but to a relevant one. That's why we have collected such services, we understand that this is a pain, we collected there. Then buy, sell the channel. There are many good channels abandoned.
Circumstances have changed, someone died, etc. And it would be better if they lived. Accordingly, selling channels. Optimal pictures, names, image generation, we want to exclude designers. Try now. I think in 2 weeks we will exclude designers from the process forever. Because a normal preview is 1.5-2 thousand rubles. The average, that's there, I don't know, a thousand now. Normally, it's one and a half to two, and again, it's long.
And some have news outlets, news channels, and videos come out every day, or every three hours. Accordingly, we collect all sorts of things here. And that's why we have the Blogger's Tools service. And now we'll be holding our flagship ICO in crypto. It's a Mesh app. So, I wasn't the original creator there.
Interviewer:
As a news outlet.
Carder:
How is that, Gabrielyanovskoe, this is yellow, this is Russian, this is an edition, that's it. Yes, usually I'm really good with names, but in this case, so that you understand how difficult this process was for me, I took, let's say, well, somewhere around 200 cool words that mean something, I threw them into the GPT chat and asked, I say, he, write me this word, this-this in 15 major languages of the world, and he wrote to me, oh, and I say, pick up some more synonyms.
And imagine, I have such folios, I was driving to St. Petersburg, Vlad and I were driving there, and I have such an A4 folio, I sat and crossed it out. Damn, well, it seems like this, well, in short, mash, yes, perhaps there will be problems with copyright, they have a patent for a trademark, like, oh well, we’ll solve it somehow. By the way, I read in a book about Steve Jobs that Apple once paid some record company, I think it was a British company Apple, something like half a yard in compensation so that there would be no disputes over copyright.
Half a yard. So this half a yard, do you know when this was? This was in the 70s. Now this is, I don’t know, like 10 billion dollars. This is a huge sum.
Interviewer:
Well, that’s America there, it all works very well there.
Speaker?:
Yes, but in general.
Carder:
And we put it together, basically, a person came to me, I was an investor there, but now I have become a co-founder, because as an active blogger, 60 percent of the functions have already been invented by me. And we put together everything that I and my audience need there. It's a marketplace, an opportunity to sell your merch. I have merch there, books, physical and electronic video greetings. That is, you sell everything. Then the "I recommend" section.
It's like the same marketplace, but with referral links. Because, for example, you shoot awesome content about fishing, but you will never have your own reels for sale, like Shimana spinning rods, at most you will have some kind of bait in 20 years. But you shoot awesome videos, they go down well. Why don't you sell Shimana reels or spinning rods or something else, boats. And all with affiliate links. Then there is a section on courses, competitions, events, when you need to organize a fan meeting in Bangkok, but you don’t know, firstly, you need to announce it, secondly, you need to understand how many will come.
And when you know that you have 20 tickets or 50, you immediately bet, there, if 50, then I will hold it, if less, I will not. You look, Aprilka tells you, 50 tickets have been sold. Even, maybe, purely symbolically, you don’t want to take money from them. It’s just that, like me, I almost never take money for a meeting. I organize the hall myself, fortunately, money allows it there. And, well, bet a dollar, yes, purely symbolically, just so that the transactions are visible.
They will buy everything, Aprilka tells us, because you have 50 tickets bought. Do you have a hall in Bangkok for a certain date? You say no. Of course you don’t have one. It’s still an unfamiliar country. And our managers already in the application offer you a hall simply.
Interviewer:
As a concierge service, among other things.
Carder:
Yes, because bloggers are lazy, busy, many are rich.
Interviewer:
It's all in between. Yes, it's all in one Prilka. Bloggerstools separately.
Carder:
We've already discussed Bloggerstools. It's all in Prilka. And so for me, as a blogger, it's an opportunity to sell my physical, electronic, or even other people's products, Events. Then there are courses, but they won't have them now. Stories, posts, polls, like in Telegram. They took a lot from Telegram. In general, a paid subscription to a community, like Patreon. A one-time donation for any type of content, like on YouTube, super thanks. For example, or in Patreon.
Paid chat with a blogger. You do it directly for 72 hours for some money. You set how much you're willing to chat for. How much they'll pay per month for a subscription to your community. You can put zero, that's all. But this is for your true fans, true fans, yes, who are willing to support you not only with likes, but also with money, like sponsors were on YouTube.
Interviewer:
Can we switch to only-fanchats too, right?
Carder:
Yes, it will be like that, but naturally, we, well, will have to comply with the store rules and we already do, because the limit is already in the Play Market, it is there, in the App not yet. So that there is nothing there. Therefore, of course, something like that, it will be brought out to the web version exclusively, but will not be in the application, that is, we take this into account. Therefore, we have collected everything that a blogger and his audience need in one application. A very expensive application, very complex, because everything needs to be tied together.
Interviewer:
Functionality, yes, in the description.
Carder:
Yes, about 20 functions, probably. By the way, there will also be crowdfunding there now. You collect, I don’t know, or some kind of charity collection, either for a new video camera for yourself, or for an apartment. There will also be an auction of rare things of the blogger, because I have a lot, What would I sell? Here, Kardashian constantly sells her wardrobes. I tried to google where she sells, I couldn’t find it. I constantly see in the press, I googled six different sites, they are all different, do they sell on a particular one.
I couldn’t find any information, they are all different. And this, are they trustworthy? And you have to look for all this. Take, for example, the video greeting. Yes, we have them in the appendix. There is a separate service Cameo. The respected company is worth 700 million dollars. They sell video greetings from Chuck Norris, Clinton, Obama, from anyone you want, from all the celebrities of the world.
Interviewer:
Real, not a testicle? Real, of course.
Carder:
No, even before the testicle, still a testicle at that time. 700 million dollars, the capitalization of the company, everything is very good, but this is a single application, you understand? I can, probably, right now on Porto de Phuket, last December I signed up for about 20 clubs, oh, you can congratulate my family, my, well, I do it for free, yeah, well, what for free, why? Secondly, whoever got caught with me, and many would like to buy. And I could probably sell, but I need to install this cameo, create a profile there.
My viewers need to link a card there, and Russian-speaking people now….
Interviewer:
And we need to find out more, because this is an American story. Yes, and I need to announce it, you know?
Carder:
And I probably could, yes. That’s all we have in Prilk, almost nothing, well, except for a few functions, we don’t have anything unique. But in order to have all this, I need to have 15 profiles in all sorts of Prilks, and my subscribers need them, and link cards everywhere, and it’s also, you know, difficult to advertise. When you have everything in one, Pavlovich has released a new Push video, a new product has been added, a video greeting or a Push book, that’s it.
Interviewer:
Well, yes, such a collection of relevant areas. Interesting.
Carder:
We did it for a long time. Well, that’s it, the first release is already here. Well, when this video comes out in January-February, it will already be there, thank God. And we will conduct an ICO. But do you know that there is such an opportunity? By the way, this is also a cool blogger topic. I just track all these startups that are doing something in the creative economy as part of my job. And there are startups, they are not startups anymore. They are already two years old, but I started tracking them from the first days, that invest in bloggers.
And it turns out that there is a great demand for alternative investments in the world, because many people are not satisfied with the profitability of stocks and bonds. Crypto is considered for the broke. - Hello everyone. - Yes, few people have it. In fact, if you count all the wallets, half of the abandoned ones. I have 10 wallets with gas,
Interviewer:
There are even some 20 of me, probably. So consider the entire world blockchain.
Carder:
We can divide by 50, and you will understand the number of real cryptos in the world.
Interviewer:
300 million, like, at Metamask, yes. That is, well, yes, 15-20 million most likely.
Carder:
Well, there you go. And there are companies that, for example, invest in art, collective ownership of art, buy paintings, sell them for more, wine, whiskey, cognacs, all that stuff exists. And companies that invest in YouTube bloggers, well, any bloggers, YouTube just, I'm saying this as an example, because YouTube is easier to speed up. You see your statistics over the years.
And you know what it looks like, by the way, I recently took out such a loan myself. It's just that when I moved to Thailand, I literally didn't have any cash, and I needed $1,060 there right away for the house, for all of this, for three months. And I took out a loan. Well, for me, it was like, it was a Russian startup, they approved me at a normal rate, but in general they have up to 42% per annum, so you understand. You are a blogger, yes, you withdraw money through them, you are connected to them, they see everything about you, not directly from your admin panel, but even from the YouTube admin panel, because your channel is connected.
And they see everything, and they just give you figuratively 10 of your monthly monetizations in advance. Do you understand? And they just take it from you, you took it, they have 10 thousand dollars, you give it back, they have up to 42.5% per annum, it's crazy. And now imagine, such startups on a global scale, American companies, which I read about 2 years ago, that they just opened, one has 700 million dollars
under management in 2 years, the second 900, and you know, you don't have to be a rocket scientist.
Interviewer:
It's so unusual, just to listen to it, yes, like monetization, statistics. It's logical that this is like a conditionally predictable topic.
Carder:
Well, not conditionally. There, you know, the only problem could be if he died or got old.
Interviewer:
But it seems to me... - Well, too.
Carder:
Well, yes, it's one of the two. But it seems to me that for that insurance company, either they can not bother. Figuratively, if one out of a hundred of them merged,
Interviewer:
Well, at 40%, it's not a big deal.
Carder:
So why the hell insure, yes, these extra...
Interviewer:
The person probably invests in a pool, and not in a specific blogger. Well, or there are funds that contribute money.
Carder:
Yes, yes, yes, most likely. And we thought that we, of course, want to implement this scheme ourselves, since we see everything. Their money for concerts and other things goes through us, and we, naturally, want it. And since now is the age of the Internet and crypto, we still want it all to be through the blockchain. Because, firstly, this will be transparent for the blogger and the audience. Here we have a function, for example, it is still in the database, but will now be in the blockchain, when you say that everyone who stays until the end of my stream will receive 10 tokens.
And whoever registers one by one, and whoever stays until the end, and the smart contract will be revealed only when they stay until the end, you understand, not to everyone. This is transparency of the relationship between you, the influencer, and the audience. But this also means that you can put your money there. Look, a young blogger comes, we thought about listing each person's own token right away, taking it from some fork of Ethereum, writing some kind of blockchain, then we thought, why bother.
And we will, naturally, download a common platform token, Mesh there, VS. And, so, a blogger came, you are subscribed to me, to the ICO, to 5 people, let's say, and you watch 100k on our channel today. Well, you see, you have some extra money, you understand, Well, maybe there’s something you can do to help them somehow earn some more money from this.
And you just... It's not a fact that we will open such investment programs, right? Most likely, we will, but even in the simplest form, you are simply buying up video greetings from us today. Our advertising slots, by the way, we are removing the intermediaries of agencies, who have completely lost their minds, by the way. Western agencies simply, when they resell advertising from bloggers, they earn 20-30%. Russian 200-300, yes. Do you understand? And therefore these bastards will disappear from the sky altogether, they are also finished, they work very poorly and will constantly put you on a horse.
Therefore, we will remove them, of course, and you can simply directly buy up mine, when I still have small ones, I have 10 or 100 thousand on the channel. Video greetings, advertising slots, you can buy them up for a grand today. And with this money I will make Iksana in a year.
Interviewer:
And then I resell them.
Carder:
You resell them on the secondary market, his channel is no longer 100 thousand.
Interviewer:
That is, this slot must be fulfilled, no matter how much it is sold for. Yes, yes, yes.
Carder:
Well, there are reasonable terms there too. That is, figuratively speaking, you cannot use it in 5 years. Well, a year, for example, is a reasonable term, you know, some kind of.
Interviewer:
Will there be slots in NFT, no?
Carder:
Yes. It's just that it's not so that it doesn't matter to us, even if there is a standard placeholder, there is slot 1, slot 2, it doesn't matter to us. We just need an entry in the blockchain, an arrival, essentially.
Interviewer:
That's it.
Carder:
So that no one can say that he didn't buy anything from me. And that's roughly what we roll up the cocktail from. And why is there still no blockchain there? Because we want to sell just a piece of the company now to one of the blockchains. There can't be many of them. It will be either Solana or TRX, but I have doubts about TRX. Or BSC, most likely. And what will they get? Firstly, they will get additional popularity for their blockchain, because all the bloggers of the world will be gathered there, and their audience, like Stepan rocked Solana.
Solana didn't need it, no one at all before Stepan. Such a powerful push. Yes. That's all. Well, now memecoins, but in general Stepan, I think.
Interviewer:
The first step, yes.
Carder:
And therefore they will get popularity, they will get the opportunity to advertise their various exchanges and blockchains among our bloggers, because, let's say, who will watch your video now through our application, well, YouTube is a broken channel and does not provide monetization, there will be no advertising. And we, at Roll, will figuratively insert Binance before your video and saw off the money with you. And for you, well, it's also fine. So you wouldn't get anything from YouTube for this video, but this way you'll get something from both Binance and us.
And Binance will be able to figuratively receive a huge influx of advertising for pennies. And what's more, any blockchain that joins us will simply recoup any investment in us in commissions very, very quickly.
Interviewer:
Yeah, yeah. Cool. Listen, on this wonderful note, there's a real break. Of course, I want to talk for hours. I'm sure it's a couple of percent.
Carder:
But we have a man sitting here right now who is a very, very serious cybercriminal from America. He's already been in prison there for several years, he's already waiting in the next room.
Interviewer:
Will he be wearing a mask or is he already...
Carder:
No, no, he's already been behind his, so we're going to film now, and for me, this will be the first interview I'm giving, and I'm doing it in English. And now I have a specific quest, so wish me luck.
Interviewer:
Yes. True. Everything in the description, dear friends. Thank you.
