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Famous carder Sergey Pavlovich talks with equally famous hacker and carder Vladislav Khorokhorin, nicknamed BadB, about personal, cash and non-cash.
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"The Tesla was registered retroactively by a dishonest notary"
Pavlovich:
What else did the guys ask about your Tesla, here it is, one of the first in Russia in general.
BadB:
With one of the first Teslas in Russia, it is in the Tesla Club, this is my car, according to the VIN, this is my car, it was sold by dishonest lawyers and, in principle, the Chechens stole it, you understand. Roughly speaking, to find, well, when you come to the Tesla Club
, they are honest buyers, that is, it was simply registered by a dishonest notary, you understand? And retroactively, they say, how did you sell it, you understand? That is, I talked to a person specifically in the Tesla Club, they say, you sold it even before you went to jail, you understand? Because the notary there specifically retroactively registered the car. Well, it's simple, that is, the police department where I filed a report, roughly speaking, they paid 10 thousand dollars to the boss and the boss just took it and threw it away. Then you need to go to the Investigative Committee, then you need to write to the prosecutor's office, something else.
Well, honestly, I've already given up. That is, you can study, yes, you can do something, but, honestly, I'd rather buy a new Tesla. Not worth the effort, right? No, it's not, it's broken, it needs to be replaced, again, it needs to be taken to Germany. That is, it's not running, they have it standing there, yes, they have it standing there as an exhibit. Well, in principle, you can squeeze it out and squeeze it out, but this is just for the sake of principle, you understand? In reality, it needs to be taken to Germany, put on a tow truck, take it to Germany.
It's easier to buy a new Tesla, it's real now.
How many books have you read lately?
Pavlovich:
They write, guys, why didn't you ask him how many books he's read.
BadB:
Books? Oh, I didn’t even count. In general, probably. In life? Well, probably a lot. I’m also reading books now.
Pavlovich:
What was the last thing you read?
BadB:
The last thing I read was on social engineering. And now I’ve gotten a little into Buddhism, I’m reading a little bit about Buddhism, all sorts of interesting things.
Pavlovich:
Krishna Murti?
BadB:
No, no, that’s something completely different, it’s philosophy, I’m not going to preach anything there or just tell everyone their own thing.
Now I’m into it and I read, the last thing I read was a book called “Buddhamozg”, the author’s name which I can’t pronounce, unfortunately, because it’s in Tibetan in general. And it talks about the many similarities, for example, between quantum physics and some concepts in Buddhism.
There are real comparisons and how it works. Meanwhile, how the brain functions and they, for example, function, how actions occur in the universe. A very interesting book, in fact, I do not recommend reading it because it is specific, but it is written in an understandable language and is quite accessible. Before that, I actually have little work now and I read a lot of books on coding, and now I am somehow trying to develop further, yes, c-sharp, c++, that is, I am trying to understand a little bit with assembler, that is, I am somehow trying to improve my skill in programming now. Therefore, there is little work and, unfortunately, due to the pandemic, this is the reality.
Physical training BadB
Pavlovich:
And the same person also asked, how many times will you do abs?
BadB:
Will I do abs? How about abs?
Pavlovich:
Well, just pump up your abs. And then one was released from prison and says there I do a thousand five hundred squats, do ten thousand abs.
BadB:
I won't show anything now, yes, if you want I can make a video of this, that is, two or three times a week I come to the gym, I won't say that I seriously overexert myself there, yes, the sphinx, that is, but nevertheless I work out, When you are 38 years old, you are very well aware that life is not endless. And the most beloved person is you. And you need to take care of yourself first of all.
And do the right things.
Pavlovich:
Of course, a master of evasive formulations. So, will you do 50 abdominal crunches? I will. And what about squats?
BadB:
Well, I don't like squats, and I don't like leg exercises at all. Well, I'll do 5 sets of 20 squats. And push-ups? Push-ups 50 times, well now I'll do 2-3 sets of 50 times.
What did BadB spend $5 million on?
Pavlovich:
On what, this question is often asked, many people asked your address, what did you spend your money on? What can you spend it on, as we found out last time from your words, again from your words 5 million dollars?
BadB:
Well, what can you spend it on, well imagine...
Pavlovich:
Let's not talk about casinos, what did you spend it on mainly.
BadB:
I spent it on casinos, well let's imagine real estate, several apartments, villas abroad and everything else, that is, but I think that this is the main item of expenditure, that is, but the car is clear, well, a good life, that is, to maintain, but it also went away, well, how much will you spend, 20, 30 thousand dollars a month, you understand? Well, you get tired of drinking, you understand? Well, you go to Courchevel, to Monaco, you understand, you get tired of it there too.
You went to Israel, also rented a yacht there, a steamship there, also gets boring. Well, the main thing, yes, there, real estate, cars, probably, all the same. Chicks, some gifts there, well, also there, well, I gave one a car, I gave the other a car, you know? There is no such thing now, well, and I condemn, again, it's all show-off, you know, they are not needed. You quietly do your thing, it does not matter what you do, there, good or bad.
You do, yes, your business, quietly, so that no one knows. And I am sure that then everything will work out. Do you
have real estate in different countries?
Pavlovich:
So do you have some real estate left in different countries?
BadB:
Well, not in different countries, but yes, there is some left.
Pavlovich:
Well, at least something, someone has something left. How much, how much money is left?
BadB:
I don't know, I will not count my money, I don't want to count it now.
What do you think about the situation in Donbass?
Pavlovich:
Well, yes, the tax office will calculate it for you, then we will ask the tax office. What do you think, you yourself are from Donbass, Donetsk, you were born, lived most of your life, as far as I remember. What do you think about the situation in Donbass in general?
BadB:
What do I think about the situation in Donbass, well, if it started out fair, that your own country cannot storm its own citizens, well, I completely share the opinion that all the politicians in Ukraine who were there at the time the war began, and they all just need to be put up against the wall and shot, this is the same as what a cockroach is doing now, it's just that all people
are criminals first and foremost, you understand, but now I still think that Donetsk is Ukraine and what is happening there now is a dead city, and we can't continue to live like this. I remember what Donetsk was like and what it has become now.
Pavlovich:
Have you been there now after the war?
BadB:
Yes, I was there after the war and I almost cried. Those people who are there, they steal the last and it's just awful.
Nobody is talking now about what was good or bad, but I think that the best solution for everyone now would be to return Donetsk to Ukraine, just so that people could return to their apartments, their homes and continue to live as it will be. Otherwise, it will be. A second Transnistria. Transnistria, unrecognized republics, some dead, abandoned apartments and everything else. There are simply things that need to be done through pain, through force, otherwise, well, as those same blacks in prison say, yes, no pain, no gain, you know?
Well, here we just need to make a strong-willed decision, well, I think, both our politicians and the Ukrainian ones need to come to some kind of compromise and just let people breathe easy, because otherwise it's awful, otherwise it's Belarus, otherwise, well, this is not what we would like to see.
How do you identify yourself?
Pavlovich:
And who do you feel yourself to be more? You have an Israeli passport, it's clear that you are Jewish by birth, right? But if you are Ukrainian or Russian, who do you feel yourself to be more by identity?
BadB:
It's hard to say, I am a Russian-speaking person, my mentality, I don't know, it's hard for me to discuss it, it's hard to say, it's not for me to judge, I just think that someone from the outside should say it sooner.
Since what year have you been "followed"?
Pavlovich:
What are you saying, well, here is the story of the arrest of all the carders there, mostly Russians, it's clear there, yes, that is, somewhere on vacation mainly, here they can't appreciate us, but what do you think, since when have you been followed?
BadB:
Since 2004 probably, since 2003, well, that's how the whole CarderPlanet story began, all that, well, how you were arrested, even earlier. Well, that's how all this dump trading started, I know that the first person in my case, I don't remember his nickname now, but I remembered, I read his case specifically, they took him back in 2003 and he testified that he sent money, we were all idiots then, we received it in our own names, as you remember, we went to Globus together.
Yes, in Kiev, there are traders... Yes, in Kiev, yes, and in any case they received it on their passports, and already in 2003 they could identify that Khorokhorin was BadB. They just led, yes, that is, well, roughly speaking, it is very difficult, yes, to take a person, send him to a jury, well, there Igor will say or any lawyer will say, you need much more.
And they waited. Than one Western Union transfer. Yes, yes. They even thousands of Western Union transfers. They waited. Western Union banned me in 2008. Totally banned me. That is, for my criminal last name. They really banned me. I couldn't send or receive a single transfer at all. Well, that is, they also say that in 2008.
That is, they banned me as soon as the agents really started requesting information.
Pavlovich:
So it was more logical not to ban you, right? On the contrary, to continue collecting information?
BadB:
Well, not really. But they really banned me. That is, they really banned me, and there was a moment when I was just stunned. That is, I needed to get money, and I couldn't get it.
To be or to seem?
Pavlovich:
That's a good question. I myself can't fully comprehend it yet. To be or to seem? What would you choose?
BadB:
Definitely to be, definitely to be because yes, it seems, it’s all imaginary, yes, that is, you need to decide on real things and stick to that, that is, what really is, yes, it seems, well, it’s all imaginary, you understand, again, it seems, yes, I already said, well, I said then and I repeat, That is, once again, this is showing off, this is not what you are now, this is a lie, this is falsehood, this is, well, deception, you understand?
That is, I am not a supporter of deception, everything is good in moderation, of course, but it is better to seem like it, yes, and to be who you are.
Do you use your knowledge for "dirty deeds"?
Pavlovich:
Question from Kaufman, do you use your knowledge for any dirty deeds, or have you finally gotten involved in this?
BadB:
Well, I just don't want to go to America for a second term, because it will be for life. That is, well, as far as dirty deeds, I don't do anything criminal. Then again, I don't want to shit where I live, and I don't want to shit in America, because sooner or later this shit will fly in. Yes, I don't even want to tempt fate, so even if they offer me something, I somehow try to dodge the topic, even if something is tempting, yes, I don't want to get involved in it.
That is, there were very tempting things, but then again I don't want to get involved in this and I'm not interested in it. And what is the main role played by the fear of prison? Not just the fear of prison, firstly, the fact that you have rethought the fact that you can do some other things. Secondly, yes, of course, the fear of prison and the fear that there will be some problems.
Well, and thirdly, simply the fact that you do not want to step on the same rake several times.
"Sometimes you need to make a strong-willed decision"
Pavlovich:
So a young guy asks how to start and how not to quit his idea in a week. He lacks determination, maybe how to start and how not to quit in a week. For example, he wants to quit smoking, drinking, he has the desire.
BadB:
Quitting smoking and drinking, and starting to quit an idea, these are slightly different things.
Pavlovich:
He simply writes about both. Oh, and about both, yes. How to force yourself to do the right things, for example, quit drinking, using illegal drugs, and so on. I can't force myself to do anything. Give me some good advice on where to start and how not to quit after a week.
BadB:
Listen, well, I'm not going to give you a 12-step course here, but I'll just tell you that you need to make a strong-willed decision, that is, you must make some specific decision, which you must also realize, probably everything starts with awareness, yes, that is, let's say, let's bring in some kind of drug or booze, you don't want to, you want to quit drinking, you want to stop using substances, you understand, yes, you, well, or you, in short
, hell will come to you after some time. Even if you feel good now and everything is working out for you and everything is going well, you must realize that this is seriously spoiling your quality of life. And with awareness comes your will, relying on this awareness as a lever, you move your will. The same thing, let's say, if you want to do something, you find your goal and you realize that it is worthy and that you are really going towards it.
Yes and when you choose what to do, let's say, yes, I'll give you an example, Sergey, please, yes, I remember how he shouted a year ago that he would quit YouTube, and there were reasons, yes, and I simply wrote to him then, well, stop, yes, go to your goal, because in a year you will have a million, yes, but you don't have a million, but you have 300 thousand, and this is really deserved, this is cool,
you understand, because in two years there will be a million, you understand, and he goes to his goal, and he understands perfectly well, and he is proud of what he does, and well, you understand, the first, well, really, as if understanding, and the first pleasant sensations that something is, it will not be right away, yes, but when you do, let's say, when what you planted begins to bear fruit and you really enjoy it, you really get high from it, no worse than from some substances. You understand, when what you start doing, and what you put in effort, starts to work. I'm not telling you to work for someone else.
"The greatest thrill is when work starts to bear fruit"
BadB:
The greatest thrill is when you work for yourself, and your scheme, no matter black, white, gray, whatever, starts to work. When it works, you, well, you get that pleasure, and you want to continue.
Well, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, someone has a different approach to life, mine are like that, and, well, that's how I understand the world.
Pavlovich:
Then it turns out that the process or the result is more important, in fact, the result.
BadB:
It seems to me, well, you will never be satisfied because as you fulfill your tasks, your desires, you will want more and more, for example, Trump, it would seem, billionaires, yes, wonderful, a beautiful wife, a beautiful daughter, well done, a beautiful woman, you understand, all the grandchildren, children, everything is great, everything is provided for, why the hell does he need to run for president, you understand, no, he said, here, you see, his inner core, he is drawn there, you understand?
He says, well, whatever, I'll be president, you know? The man actually became president of the United States, you know? And for that, respect and admiration, of course.
Pavlovich:
It's just that I, for one, like the result better, you know? Banging my head against a wall for three years doesn't amuse me at all.
BadB:
No, that's not how you... That's the thing, you're just a result... The process is only in sex, it can be more important than the result. No, the process... You break the process down into steps, and you get a result for every step you take. That is, let's say you say that well, first, let's say, yes, well, again, using the YouTube channel as an example, yes, I'll create a YouTube channel, and then you say I'll have a thousand people, I'll start monetizing, you understand, you have experience with 1,000 people, you monetize, you understand, you've already interested 1,000 people, and then you achieve 10 thousand, and then 100 thousand, you understand, with each step you just have a result, you understand, the result that you get, you don't say I want to be a millionaire, of course, you won't become a millionaire right away, you understand, but when you come to the point that you've become a millionaire, when you've earned your first million, you won't give a damn about it because you enjoy what you do and you're doing what you
like, if you're doing what you don't like, you won't earn any money, regarding becoming a millionaire, yes.
Pavlovich:
Quickly, so I worked through some kind of ladies' base, and that's it, I'm already a millionaire quickly.
"Happiness is in enjoying life"
BadB:
Well, it helps Roma a lot, look, I just wrote a big article again, yes, a long read, exactly that kind of truthful, not a book, but a very-very-very long article, well, I'll say it takes up more than 100 kilobytes now, yes, it will appear on the site soon, we're editing, correcting it, it's not like writing simple articles there, yes, it's really there, well, about a person's fate and I didn't think to write a book, but it turned out to be such a big long read and I'll tell you that happiness is not in money, absolutely not in money and happiness is in something else, happiness is in enjoying life, you know? Money is a tool with which you can enjoy life and get pleasure from it, but nothing can replace, you know, health, nothing can replace friends, real friends, not those who are with you for money or something else, you know.
Again, from Roma's story, how people were with him for money.
Pavlovich:
Selezneva - Psycho.
BadB:
Selezneva, yes. That is, people were with him for money, people were with him for something, yes. And who is he left with now, his, even, well, this woman who was with him, she ran away from him to America, left him with a smashed head. The second one, now she makes a magazine there, she has some kind of studio in Vladivostok, you understand, she is there, she calls once a week to talk to her. He is so disappointed in life that he does not call his real friends, who really were with him since childhood, yes, he does not call them and does not talk to them, because he thinks that they
he was deceived, you know, that is, this is already paranoia on his part, although the guys really say that there, well, that is, they are behind him, they helped him, that's it. And, well, in fact, all this is important, yes, the relationship, money, well, it is a means, it is a good tool to achieve your goal and get, but this is absolutely not the main thing. The main thing is what is around you. The main thing is what is in your head. And I think that, for example, other people, yes, it is very easy to get lost in drugs or booze, you know, or somewhere else.
And it seems to you that you are great, you are doing some right things there. In fact, you are just lying and doing complete bullshit, you know. When all the real topics and everything really passes you by, and you can’t get your health back there, you know? That is, these illusory worlds, yes, that's what you said earlier, imaginary, yes, virtual, well, you have to understand that you have to stay away from this and try to stick to it and have real things, you know, in your life.
Pavlovich:
Values.
BadB:
Yes, values, you know.
How hard is it to live on much less money?
Pavlovich:
How hard was it morally to live on much less money. Let's say you lived on 30 thousand dollars a month, and now you live on 2-3.
BadB:
Well, very easy. Why? Why is it hard? Very, very easy. It's just that again you... The guys are asking. I understand you. The youth are asking. You are rethinking, you are rethinking what you are doing. You see, if... Well, before I wanted to fly to Nice, to Courchevel, rent a private jet and buy a Lamborghini there, you see, but now I enjoy skiing there, you see, or going to the botanical garden with interesting people. I just take, for example, a girl I love, and just walk with her arm in arm, talk, you see, talk about some things.
If, well, I'm interested in something, yes, then maybe now I'm more interested in reading a book, you see, or going to a museum, to the theater, to the cinema, you see. Even, even after this damn epidemic, you see, when you go outside and you breathe in the air, and you understand what a thrill it is, you're still outside, yes, and how good it all is, you know? So, well, again, here...
Here it is.
On freedom and lack of freedom
Pavlovich:
And if you have something like that, I have it, I'm walking down the street, yes, especially when it's so light, the blue sky is so gentle, so light-light, I think, I'm free, and I can just walk down the street without this checkered sky, and how awesome. I don't know anything like that.
BadB:
You know, I don't have that, I just had a real transit from prison, well, that is, it was very difficult. Surely there are definitely some psychological consequences. But the transit, well, I'm even starting, now I'm starting to forget that American one, it's just because it was a pioneer camp, you know, well, it was a real environment for me, even if it weighed me down, then I could, especially there, for example, recently I could switch very easily and just do other things, there were journalists, then something else.
Well, surely for you it was your book, what you wrote. It didn't let you go crazy. It seems to me that this is some kind of occupation in any case. You can actually be in prison and free. Because some people, again, with drugs or something else, really drive themselves into prison.
A person can really sit in an apartment for 10 days, not go out, ghoul, lie like a pig. You see, well, that is a familiar situation, other people simply do not know what to do, for example, they do not know how to proceed, well, they do not have enough understanding or willpower to just take and start doing something, it does not matter what you want to do, black and white, it does not matter there, you just have to take, get up, get off your ass and go to your goal, you understand, it does not matter what you The main thing is not to say, I can’t do this, you understand? The main thing is to just get up and start doing it. It does not matter what you want, to earn a million, to become a programmer or to rob a savings bank, you understand?
“Get going and do it”
Pavlovich:
Like Richard Branson has this book, yes. I don’t really like his books, they are so worthless, in my opinion, subjective. But he has a book “Get going and do it.” Yes. It is called that.
BadB:
“Get going and do it.” Absolutely. That’s all they will tell you here in synergy, that’s just the only rule, get going and do it, we are just renting a university building.
Pavlovich:
Synergy, yes, I moved Moscow, Sitebis here.
Was there an understanding that it would all end soon?
Pavlovich:
There was some kind of paranoia when you were already earning big money, when you understood that you were arrested, you didn’t have any thoughts that sooner or later you would end up there, of course.
BadB:
I even had a hunch, well, my mother, she remembered that I once drank and I told her. I told her, mom, like, don’t sell, don’t do anything, if they put me in jail, if they lock me up, it’s all temporary. In fact, there was a really tough feeling, a really tough feeling after they closed Gucci, I remember we even discussed it.
Pavlovich:
I just don’t even know who it is, never.
BadB:
Anyway, one of them, anyway, from the RBS case, Tsurikov, anyway, when Gucci was closed. So there was this feeling that everything, anyway, well, I still tell Roma, I say, Roma, that's it, I write to him, anyway, that's it, I say, well, I say, sooner or later all this will reach us, I wrote to another person there too, but no one stopped, and what's more, even, my example, that I was arrested, and what I wrote to them later, I say, guys, be careful, already when I had a mobile phone, I knew that I was going to America, they would extradite me, I say, guys, be careful, I don't know how it will be for me in America, I wrote to many, warned them and said that I don't know what will happen, but it's quite possible that I will do it.
And this didn't stop them from traveling around Holland, the Maldives and all these other places. It's one thing when you're working hard, and another thing when you warn someone, don't do this, you know, and they still go and do it. Well, that's stupid.
Pavlovich:
Guys, I see I still have about, I thought less, we have about 20 questions left, but to be honest, we're tired, we've been filming for four hours, so please forgive me, we'll answer all your questions. There will definitely be a continuation.
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Contents:
- "Tesla was backdated by a dishonest notary"
- How many books have you read lately?
- BadB Physical Fitness
- What did BadB spend $5 million on?
- Do you have real estate in different countries?
- What do you think about the situation in Donbass?
- How do you identify yourself?
- Since what year have you been "led"?
- To be or to seem?
- Do you use your knowledge for "dirty deeds"?
- "Sometimes you have to make a strong-willed decision"
- “The greatest thrill is when work begins to bear fruit.”
- "Happiness is in enjoying life"
- How hard is it to live on much less money?
- About freedom and unfreedom
- "Get going and do it"
- Was there any understanding that it would all end soon?
"The Tesla was registered retroactively by a dishonest notary"
Pavlovich:
What else did the guys ask about your Tesla, here it is, one of the first in Russia in general.
BadB:
With one of the first Teslas in Russia, it is in the Tesla Club, this is my car, according to the VIN, this is my car, it was sold by dishonest lawyers and, in principle, the Chechens stole it, you understand. Roughly speaking, to find, well, when you come to the Tesla Club
, they are honest buyers, that is, it was simply registered by a dishonest notary, you understand? And retroactively, they say, how did you sell it, you understand? That is, I talked to a person specifically in the Tesla Club, they say, you sold it even before you went to jail, you understand? Because the notary there specifically retroactively registered the car. Well, it's simple, that is, the police department where I filed a report, roughly speaking, they paid 10 thousand dollars to the boss and the boss just took it and threw it away. Then you need to go to the Investigative Committee, then you need to write to the prosecutor's office, something else.
Well, honestly, I've already given up. That is, you can study, yes, you can do something, but, honestly, I'd rather buy a new Tesla. Not worth the effort, right? No, it's not, it's broken, it needs to be replaced, again, it needs to be taken to Germany. That is, it's not running, they have it standing there, yes, they have it standing there as an exhibit. Well, in principle, you can squeeze it out and squeeze it out, but this is just for the sake of principle, you understand? In reality, it needs to be taken to Germany, put on a tow truck, take it to Germany.
It's easier to buy a new Tesla, it's real now.
How many books have you read lately?
Pavlovich:
They write, guys, why didn't you ask him how many books he's read.
BadB:
Books? Oh, I didn’t even count. In general, probably. In life? Well, probably a lot. I’m also reading books now.
Pavlovich:
What was the last thing you read?
BadB:
The last thing I read was on social engineering. And now I’ve gotten a little into Buddhism, I’m reading a little bit about Buddhism, all sorts of interesting things.
Pavlovich:
Krishna Murti?
BadB:
No, no, that’s something completely different, it’s philosophy, I’m not going to preach anything there or just tell everyone their own thing.
Now I’m into it and I read, the last thing I read was a book called “Buddhamozg”, the author’s name which I can’t pronounce, unfortunately, because it’s in Tibetan in general. And it talks about the many similarities, for example, between quantum physics and some concepts in Buddhism.
There are real comparisons and how it works. Meanwhile, how the brain functions and they, for example, function, how actions occur in the universe. A very interesting book, in fact, I do not recommend reading it because it is specific, but it is written in an understandable language and is quite accessible. Before that, I actually have little work now and I read a lot of books on coding, and now I am somehow trying to develop further, yes, c-sharp, c++, that is, I am trying to understand a little bit with assembler, that is, I am somehow trying to improve my skill in programming now. Therefore, there is little work and, unfortunately, due to the pandemic, this is the reality.
Physical training BadB
Pavlovich:
And the same person also asked, how many times will you do abs?
BadB:
Will I do abs? How about abs?
Pavlovich:
Well, just pump up your abs. And then one was released from prison and says there I do a thousand five hundred squats, do ten thousand abs.
BadB:
I won't show anything now, yes, if you want I can make a video of this, that is, two or three times a week I come to the gym, I won't say that I seriously overexert myself there, yes, the sphinx, that is, but nevertheless I work out, When you are 38 years old, you are very well aware that life is not endless. And the most beloved person is you. And you need to take care of yourself first of all.
And do the right things.
Pavlovich:
Of course, a master of evasive formulations. So, will you do 50 abdominal crunches? I will. And what about squats?
BadB:
Well, I don't like squats, and I don't like leg exercises at all. Well, I'll do 5 sets of 20 squats. And push-ups? Push-ups 50 times, well now I'll do 2-3 sets of 50 times.
What did BadB spend $5 million on?
Pavlovich:
On what, this question is often asked, many people asked your address, what did you spend your money on? What can you spend it on, as we found out last time from your words, again from your words 5 million dollars?
BadB:
Well, what can you spend it on, well imagine...
Pavlovich:
Let's not talk about casinos, what did you spend it on mainly.
BadB:
I spent it on casinos, well let's imagine real estate, several apartments, villas abroad and everything else, that is, but I think that this is the main item of expenditure, that is, but the car is clear, well, a good life, that is, to maintain, but it also went away, well, how much will you spend, 20, 30 thousand dollars a month, you understand? Well, you get tired of drinking, you understand? Well, you go to Courchevel, to Monaco, you understand, you get tired of it there too.
You went to Israel, also rented a yacht there, a steamship there, also gets boring. Well, the main thing, yes, there, real estate, cars, probably, all the same. Chicks, some gifts there, well, also there, well, I gave one a car, I gave the other a car, you know? There is no such thing now, well, and I condemn, again, it's all show-off, you know, they are not needed. You quietly do your thing, it does not matter what you do, there, good or bad.
You do, yes, your business, quietly, so that no one knows. And I am sure that then everything will work out. Do you
have real estate in different countries?
Pavlovich:
So do you have some real estate left in different countries?
BadB:
Well, not in different countries, but yes, there is some left.
Pavlovich:
Well, at least something, someone has something left. How much, how much money is left?
BadB:
I don't know, I will not count my money, I don't want to count it now.
What do you think about the situation in Donbass?
Pavlovich:
Well, yes, the tax office will calculate it for you, then we will ask the tax office. What do you think, you yourself are from Donbass, Donetsk, you were born, lived most of your life, as far as I remember. What do you think about the situation in Donbass in general?
BadB:
What do I think about the situation in Donbass, well, if it started out fair, that your own country cannot storm its own citizens, well, I completely share the opinion that all the politicians in Ukraine who were there at the time the war began, and they all just need to be put up against the wall and shot, this is the same as what a cockroach is doing now, it's just that all people
are criminals first and foremost, you understand, but now I still think that Donetsk is Ukraine and what is happening there now is a dead city, and we can't continue to live like this. I remember what Donetsk was like and what it has become now.
Pavlovich:
Have you been there now after the war?
BadB:
Yes, I was there after the war and I almost cried. Those people who are there, they steal the last and it's just awful.
Nobody is talking now about what was good or bad, but I think that the best solution for everyone now would be to return Donetsk to Ukraine, just so that people could return to their apartments, their homes and continue to live as it will be. Otherwise, it will be. A second Transnistria. Transnistria, unrecognized republics, some dead, abandoned apartments and everything else. There are simply things that need to be done through pain, through force, otherwise, well, as those same blacks in prison say, yes, no pain, no gain, you know?
Well, here we just need to make a strong-willed decision, well, I think, both our politicians and the Ukrainian ones need to come to some kind of compromise and just let people breathe easy, because otherwise it's awful, otherwise it's Belarus, otherwise, well, this is not what we would like to see.
How do you identify yourself?
Pavlovich:
And who do you feel yourself to be more? You have an Israeli passport, it's clear that you are Jewish by birth, right? But if you are Ukrainian or Russian, who do you feel yourself to be more by identity?
BadB:
It's hard to say, I am a Russian-speaking person, my mentality, I don't know, it's hard for me to discuss it, it's hard to say, it's not for me to judge, I just think that someone from the outside should say it sooner.
Since what year have you been "followed"?
Pavlovich:
What are you saying, well, here is the story of the arrest of all the carders there, mostly Russians, it's clear there, yes, that is, somewhere on vacation mainly, here they can't appreciate us, but what do you think, since when have you been followed?
BadB:
Since 2004 probably, since 2003, well, that's how the whole CarderPlanet story began, all that, well, how you were arrested, even earlier. Well, that's how all this dump trading started, I know that the first person in my case, I don't remember his nickname now, but I remembered, I read his case specifically, they took him back in 2003 and he testified that he sent money, we were all idiots then, we received it in our own names, as you remember, we went to Globus together.
Yes, in Kiev, there are traders... Yes, in Kiev, yes, and in any case they received it on their passports, and already in 2003 they could identify that Khorokhorin was BadB. They just led, yes, that is, well, roughly speaking, it is very difficult, yes, to take a person, send him to a jury, well, there Igor will say or any lawyer will say, you need much more.
And they waited. Than one Western Union transfer. Yes, yes. They even thousands of Western Union transfers. They waited. Western Union banned me in 2008. Totally banned me. That is, for my criminal last name. They really banned me. I couldn't send or receive a single transfer at all. Well, that is, they also say that in 2008.
That is, they banned me as soon as the agents really started requesting information.
Pavlovich:
So it was more logical not to ban you, right? On the contrary, to continue collecting information?
BadB:
Well, not really. But they really banned me. That is, they really banned me, and there was a moment when I was just stunned. That is, I needed to get money, and I couldn't get it.
To be or to seem?
Pavlovich:
That's a good question. I myself can't fully comprehend it yet. To be or to seem? What would you choose?
BadB:
Definitely to be, definitely to be because yes, it seems, it’s all imaginary, yes, that is, you need to decide on real things and stick to that, that is, what really is, yes, it seems, well, it’s all imaginary, you understand, again, it seems, yes, I already said, well, I said then and I repeat, That is, once again, this is showing off, this is not what you are now, this is a lie, this is falsehood, this is, well, deception, you understand?
That is, I am not a supporter of deception, everything is good in moderation, of course, but it is better to seem like it, yes, and to be who you are.
Do you use your knowledge for "dirty deeds"?
Pavlovich:
Question from Kaufman, do you use your knowledge for any dirty deeds, or have you finally gotten involved in this?
BadB:
Well, I just don't want to go to America for a second term, because it will be for life. That is, well, as far as dirty deeds, I don't do anything criminal. Then again, I don't want to shit where I live, and I don't want to shit in America, because sooner or later this shit will fly in. Yes, I don't even want to tempt fate, so even if they offer me something, I somehow try to dodge the topic, even if something is tempting, yes, I don't want to get involved in it.
That is, there were very tempting things, but then again I don't want to get involved in this and I'm not interested in it. And what is the main role played by the fear of prison? Not just the fear of prison, firstly, the fact that you have rethought the fact that you can do some other things. Secondly, yes, of course, the fear of prison and the fear that there will be some problems.
Well, and thirdly, simply the fact that you do not want to step on the same rake several times.
"Sometimes you need to make a strong-willed decision"
Pavlovich:
So a young guy asks how to start and how not to quit his idea in a week. He lacks determination, maybe how to start and how not to quit in a week. For example, he wants to quit smoking, drinking, he has the desire.
BadB:
Quitting smoking and drinking, and starting to quit an idea, these are slightly different things.
Pavlovich:
He simply writes about both. Oh, and about both, yes. How to force yourself to do the right things, for example, quit drinking, using illegal drugs, and so on. I can't force myself to do anything. Give me some good advice on where to start and how not to quit after a week.
BadB:
Listen, well, I'm not going to give you a 12-step course here, but I'll just tell you that you need to make a strong-willed decision, that is, you must make some specific decision, which you must also realize, probably everything starts with awareness, yes, that is, let's say, let's bring in some kind of drug or booze, you don't want to, you want to quit drinking, you want to stop using substances, you understand, yes, you, well, or you, in short
, hell will come to you after some time. Even if you feel good now and everything is working out for you and everything is going well, you must realize that this is seriously spoiling your quality of life. And with awareness comes your will, relying on this awareness as a lever, you move your will. The same thing, let's say, if you want to do something, you find your goal and you realize that it is worthy and that you are really going towards it.
Yes and when you choose what to do, let's say, yes, I'll give you an example, Sergey, please, yes, I remember how he shouted a year ago that he would quit YouTube, and there were reasons, yes, and I simply wrote to him then, well, stop, yes, go to your goal, because in a year you will have a million, yes, but you don't have a million, but you have 300 thousand, and this is really deserved, this is cool,
you understand, because in two years there will be a million, you understand, and he goes to his goal, and he understands perfectly well, and he is proud of what he does, and well, you understand, the first, well, really, as if understanding, and the first pleasant sensations that something is, it will not be right away, yes, but when you do, let's say, when what you planted begins to bear fruit and you really enjoy it, you really get high from it, no worse than from some substances. You understand, when what you start doing, and what you put in effort, starts to work. I'm not telling you to work for someone else.
"The greatest thrill is when work starts to bear fruit"
BadB:
The greatest thrill is when you work for yourself, and your scheme, no matter black, white, gray, whatever, starts to work. When it works, you, well, you get that pleasure, and you want to continue.
Well, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, someone has a different approach to life, mine are like that, and, well, that's how I understand the world.
Pavlovich:
Then it turns out that the process or the result is more important, in fact, the result.
BadB:
It seems to me, well, you will never be satisfied because as you fulfill your tasks, your desires, you will want more and more, for example, Trump, it would seem, billionaires, yes, wonderful, a beautiful wife, a beautiful daughter, well done, a beautiful woman, you understand, all the grandchildren, children, everything is great, everything is provided for, why the hell does he need to run for president, you understand, no, he said, here, you see, his inner core, he is drawn there, you understand?
He says, well, whatever, I'll be president, you know? The man actually became president of the United States, you know? And for that, respect and admiration, of course.
Pavlovich:
It's just that I, for one, like the result better, you know? Banging my head against a wall for three years doesn't amuse me at all.
BadB:
No, that's not how you... That's the thing, you're just a result... The process is only in sex, it can be more important than the result. No, the process... You break the process down into steps, and you get a result for every step you take. That is, let's say you say that well, first, let's say, yes, well, again, using the YouTube channel as an example, yes, I'll create a YouTube channel, and then you say I'll have a thousand people, I'll start monetizing, you understand, you have experience with 1,000 people, you monetize, you understand, you've already interested 1,000 people, and then you achieve 10 thousand, and then 100 thousand, you understand, with each step you just have a result, you understand, the result that you get, you don't say I want to be a millionaire, of course, you won't become a millionaire right away, you understand, but when you come to the point that you've become a millionaire, when you've earned your first million, you won't give a damn about it because you enjoy what you do and you're doing what you
like, if you're doing what you don't like, you won't earn any money, regarding becoming a millionaire, yes.
Pavlovich:
Quickly, so I worked through some kind of ladies' base, and that's it, I'm already a millionaire quickly.
"Happiness is in enjoying life"
BadB:
Well, it helps Roma a lot, look, I just wrote a big article again, yes, a long read, exactly that kind of truthful, not a book, but a very-very-very long article, well, I'll say it takes up more than 100 kilobytes now, yes, it will appear on the site soon, we're editing, correcting it, it's not like writing simple articles there, yes, it's really there, well, about a person's fate and I didn't think to write a book, but it turned out to be such a big long read and I'll tell you that happiness is not in money, absolutely not in money and happiness is in something else, happiness is in enjoying life, you know? Money is a tool with which you can enjoy life and get pleasure from it, but nothing can replace, you know, health, nothing can replace friends, real friends, not those who are with you for money or something else, you know.
Again, from Roma's story, how people were with him for money.
Pavlovich:
Selezneva - Psycho.
BadB:
Selezneva, yes. That is, people were with him for money, people were with him for something, yes. And who is he left with now, his, even, well, this woman who was with him, she ran away from him to America, left him with a smashed head. The second one, now she makes a magazine there, she has some kind of studio in Vladivostok, you understand, she is there, she calls once a week to talk to her. He is so disappointed in life that he does not call his real friends, who really were with him since childhood, yes, he does not call them and does not talk to them, because he thinks that they
he was deceived, you know, that is, this is already paranoia on his part, although the guys really say that there, well, that is, they are behind him, they helped him, that's it. And, well, in fact, all this is important, yes, the relationship, money, well, it is a means, it is a good tool to achieve your goal and get, but this is absolutely not the main thing. The main thing is what is around you. The main thing is what is in your head. And I think that, for example, other people, yes, it is very easy to get lost in drugs or booze, you know, or somewhere else.
And it seems to you that you are great, you are doing some right things there. In fact, you are just lying and doing complete bullshit, you know. When all the real topics and everything really passes you by, and you can’t get your health back there, you know? That is, these illusory worlds, yes, that's what you said earlier, imaginary, yes, virtual, well, you have to understand that you have to stay away from this and try to stick to it and have real things, you know, in your life.
Pavlovich:
Values.
BadB:
Yes, values, you know.
How hard is it to live on much less money?
Pavlovich:
How hard was it morally to live on much less money. Let's say you lived on 30 thousand dollars a month, and now you live on 2-3.
BadB:
Well, very easy. Why? Why is it hard? Very, very easy. It's just that again you... The guys are asking. I understand you. The youth are asking. You are rethinking, you are rethinking what you are doing. You see, if... Well, before I wanted to fly to Nice, to Courchevel, rent a private jet and buy a Lamborghini there, you see, but now I enjoy skiing there, you see, or going to the botanical garden with interesting people. I just take, for example, a girl I love, and just walk with her arm in arm, talk, you see, talk about some things.
If, well, I'm interested in something, yes, then maybe now I'm more interested in reading a book, you see, or going to a museum, to the theater, to the cinema, you see. Even, even after this damn epidemic, you see, when you go outside and you breathe in the air, and you understand what a thrill it is, you're still outside, yes, and how good it all is, you know? So, well, again, here...
Here it is.
On freedom and lack of freedom
Pavlovich:
And if you have something like that, I have it, I'm walking down the street, yes, especially when it's so light, the blue sky is so gentle, so light-light, I think, I'm free, and I can just walk down the street without this checkered sky, and how awesome. I don't know anything like that.
BadB:
You know, I don't have that, I just had a real transit from prison, well, that is, it was very difficult. Surely there are definitely some psychological consequences. But the transit, well, I'm even starting, now I'm starting to forget that American one, it's just because it was a pioneer camp, you know, well, it was a real environment for me, even if it weighed me down, then I could, especially there, for example, recently I could switch very easily and just do other things, there were journalists, then something else.
Well, surely for you it was your book, what you wrote. It didn't let you go crazy. It seems to me that this is some kind of occupation in any case. You can actually be in prison and free. Because some people, again, with drugs or something else, really drive themselves into prison.
A person can really sit in an apartment for 10 days, not go out, ghoul, lie like a pig. You see, well, that is a familiar situation, other people simply do not know what to do, for example, they do not know how to proceed, well, they do not have enough understanding or willpower to just take and start doing something, it does not matter what you want to do, black and white, it does not matter there, you just have to take, get up, get off your ass and go to your goal, you understand, it does not matter what you The main thing is not to say, I can’t do this, you understand? The main thing is to just get up and start doing it. It does not matter what you want, to earn a million, to become a programmer or to rob a savings bank, you understand?
“Get going and do it”
Pavlovich:
Like Richard Branson has this book, yes. I don’t really like his books, they are so worthless, in my opinion, subjective. But he has a book “Get going and do it.” Yes. It is called that.
BadB:
“Get going and do it.” Absolutely. That’s all they will tell you here in synergy, that’s just the only rule, get going and do it, we are just renting a university building.
Pavlovich:
Synergy, yes, I moved Moscow, Sitebis here.
Was there an understanding that it would all end soon?
Pavlovich:
There was some kind of paranoia when you were already earning big money, when you understood that you were arrested, you didn’t have any thoughts that sooner or later you would end up there, of course.
BadB:
I even had a hunch, well, my mother, she remembered that I once drank and I told her. I told her, mom, like, don’t sell, don’t do anything, if they put me in jail, if they lock me up, it’s all temporary. In fact, there was a really tough feeling, a really tough feeling after they closed Gucci, I remember we even discussed it.
Pavlovich:
I just don’t even know who it is, never.
BadB:
Anyway, one of them, anyway, from the RBS case, Tsurikov, anyway, when Gucci was closed. So there was this feeling that everything, anyway, well, I still tell Roma, I say, Roma, that's it, I write to him, anyway, that's it, I say, well, I say, sooner or later all this will reach us, I wrote to another person there too, but no one stopped, and what's more, even, my example, that I was arrested, and what I wrote to them later, I say, guys, be careful, already when I had a mobile phone, I knew that I was going to America, they would extradite me, I say, guys, be careful, I don't know how it will be for me in America, I wrote to many, warned them and said that I don't know what will happen, but it's quite possible that I will do it.
And this didn't stop them from traveling around Holland, the Maldives and all these other places. It's one thing when you're working hard, and another thing when you warn someone, don't do this, you know, and they still go and do it. Well, that's stupid.
Pavlovich:
Guys, I see I still have about, I thought less, we have about 20 questions left, but to be honest, we're tired, we've been filming for four hours, so please forgive me, we'll answer all your questions. There will definitely be a continuation.
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