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I found this is a copy right website - thought some people might find it interesting.
Marlo
DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PREFERRED EMBODIMENTS
The present invention includes a process that prints a clear layer or layers over a YMCK composite printer layer on an identification card by using the overlayers as a printable surface. These overlayer panels (OP) are known in dye sublimation printing. They are typically used to protect the dyes that have been sublimated into a substrate from UV degradation. Because the OP has an UV blocking component which causes the OP layer to fluoresce in UV light, when a pattern printed in the OP layer is bathed in UV light, the entire printed pattern (whether a logo, writing or other computer generated design) will fluoresce. Different OP layers have different formations for UV protection. Ribbons with OP layers are available from Dai Nippon of Tokyo, Japan have characteristics ranging from brightly fluorescent to absorbent. Combining more than one OP layer would give the fluorescing printing changes in intensity and hue.
If the OP layer or layers are used for printing images rather than laid down on the identification card as a full sheet, the sublimated dye not covered by the image would be unprotected against UV degradation. Since the OP layers themselves are very thin, even with the OP layer being laid down on the card as a full sheet, the durability of the image is problematic. Additional overlaminate material can be laminated onto the card, increasing the durability and longevity of the card. This second overlaminate material can be the holographic material or clear material such as PolyGuard (sold by FARGO Electronics, Inc. of Eden Prairie, Minn.).
If the OP layer is printed over the dye or resin, it does not sublimate into the card but sits on top of the card. When the second overlaminate material is laminated on top of the image printed on the OP layer, a series of ridges with refracting angles are created by the printed image of the OP layer underneath the second overlaminate. By modulating the printed pattern at a high frequency, this process can create something similar to a diffractive grating where sharp angles are embossed into the reflective surface to create more refractive angles to refract light. In one form, the process causes the printed edges to refract the light so that angling the card from a light source will bring the outline of the clear printed image into view when the angle of the refracted light aligns with the viewer.
When more printed OP layers are used, then one OP layer can be used to protect the YMCK dye printing and the additional OP layer can be used for security imaging. By putting more OP layers on the card, especially when the OP layers have different refractive properties or different UV absorbing or fluorescing properties, additional security features can be devised.
The overlaminate, which is laminated onto the identification card in a second step, can be scored by the laminating print head of the identification card printer. This scoring would take the form of reflectively compatible angle grooves. Each groove further enhances the OP layer's refractive properties, creating a diffraction grating like image to appear as the card is moved away from a horizontal plane and light reflects accordingly.
The diffraction grating type image which previously had to be embossed into the overlaminates now can be simulated by printing the OP layers and using the second overlaminate which will reduce costs, time to manufacture, and enable accurate targeting of the image. In addition, if the printed overlaminate is modulated by either printing or special overlaminate manufacturing, more reflective edges are created to enhance the security image.
Identification card ribbons (FIG. 1) consist of a series of panels (in the case of FIG. 1, consisting of yellow dye (1), cyan dye (2), magenta dye (3), black resin or black dye (4), and a clear overlaminate (5) thus being known as a "YMCKO" ribbon, each of which are coated with dye sublimation ink or resin ink. Each ribbon can be configured with different ink panels depending on the specifications desired. Thus, the ribbon in FIG. 1 could eliminate the black resin panel, thus becoming a "YMCO" ribbon, or the overlaminate could be eliminated, thus becoming a "YMCK" ribbon. All combinations of ribbons that are able to print in full color require the yellow, cyan, and magenta panels. The ribbons are rolled onto circular cores (6) which fit into the printer. The ribbon is situated between the print head and the blank identification card. The printer then receives instructions from a computer that is connected to printer as to the digital images and heating instructions to heat the print head to place such images onto the identification card (7) (FIG. 2).
FIG. 3 shows the carrier ribbon (8) and the overlaminate material (9). The overlaminate material is designed so that it would completely cover an identification card when heat from the print head is applied to the entire overlaminate material. The overlaminate has a laminating material coated on the exposed side (which is face down when run through the printing process) of the laminate. When heat is applied, this coating material bonds the lamination material and the identification card together.
FIG. 5 shows the process of laminating. The ribbon core (6) has been mounted onto the core holder (12) and the ribbon (13) has been pulled through the print head mounting assembly (14) and is pinched between the print head (15) and the identification card (7), which is held tightly by a pinch roller (16). The used ribbon is re-wrapped around a take up roll (not shown). The identification card is fed into the printer by a series of pinch rollers (17) from an input hopper (not shown). The identification card (7) moves with the ribbon panel, and then is pulled in the reverse direction from which it was fed to have the next panel printed upon it. Thus the card moves forward and backwards depending upon its location and the ribbon panel location. The pinch rollers are capable of moving bi-directionally while the print head and print head mechanism remain stationary. Once printed and laminated, the identification card is moved from the print head area by a series of pinch rollers (18).
In FIGS. 4A through 4D, the results of the bonding can be seen. The identification card (7) has been printed on, and the overlaminate layer (9) has been applied over the full length and width of the identification card. FIG. 4B is a cross-section of the bonded identification card (7). The overlaminate (9) cove's the entire width of the identification card. If the cross-section was lengthwise rather than through the width of the card, the overlaminate would stretch the entire length of the card. The clear feature of the overlaminate allows the printing on the card to be completely visible. The dye sublimation (10) have sublimated into the card, remaining below the surface of the identification card (11) so that the surface is still flat until the overlayer is applied. When and where the overlayer is applied, the card's thickness is increased. Resin ink sits on top of the surface and also provides ridges.
The overlayer can be supplemented with an additional lamination at a separate station. Identification card printers such as the Cheetah II or the Pro-L (available from Fargo Electronics, Inc. of Eden Prairie, Minn.) incorporate a second lamination station for an overlaminate that is thicker and more durable than the overlaminate layer applied at the printing station. This thicker and more durable overlaminate such as PolyGuard sold by FARGO is on a separate roll from the YMCKO ribbon. These overlaminates are suitable for having a holographic type image embossed therein. In FIG. 4C, the results of applying the thicker overlaminate can be seen. The identification card (7) has the sublimated dyes or resins (10) which have become part of the card. The overlaminate layer (9) has been laid down in a full sheet to cover the entire card, and the thicker overlaminate layer (19) has been laminated on top of the first overlaminate to create a sandwich effect.
In FIG. 6, the overlayer panel (9) is printed on (20), rather than being laid down as a full sheet. The printed image can be any graphic image created on a computer FIG. 4D shows the cross-section of the card (7) with the overlayer (20) being printed as a clear printed layer rather than as an unbroken sheet. When the thicker overlayer (19) is applied in FIG. 4E, the effect is to create ridges on the thicker overlaminate sheet rather than a smooth surface as was shown in FIG. 4C. When these ridges are created, light reflects from the edges of the underlying overlaminate (20) creating a ghosting image when the card is moved from a horizontal plane.
In some cases, application of the overlaminate is not a viable option because of the cost of the overlaminate and the price of the printer required to laminate the card. In that case, a similar methodology can be utilized that achieves a similar result. In FIG. 6, the overlay materials is laid down as a first pass, with the heavier overlaminate materials being applied in the second operation, utilizing a hot roller. To achieve a similar result, the first thin overlaminate is applied in reverse, i.e., the entire overlaminate panel is applied except for the image. Instead of a raised surface on the card, the image is actually lower than the overlay material on the card. The ridges that are created are inverted, sot hat the eye can still see the image, since the image is the area where the overlay was not printed. Since there is no overlaminate coating in this embodiment, the image can be seen, otherwise the application of the second, heavier overlaminate would cover and fill in the nonprinted area. Since the non printed area has no protection from UV rays, over time the image (as this is the non printed area) will appear since the dye sublimation inks will fade from exposure to UV light.
Although the present invention has been described with reference to preferred embodiments, workers skilled in the art will recognize that changes may be made in form and detail without departing from the spirit and scope of the invention. For example, other types of overlaminate, over lamination techniques, or techniques for creating ridges in an overlaminate layer can be sued when implementing the present invention. For simplicity, a preferred species is disclosed. However, the invention includes the gnus and the invention should not be limited to any particular species when interpreting broad steps or elements of the invention.
Contact Copy Counterfeit Technique
CONTACT COPY COUNTERFEIT TECHNIQUE - Bet no one here can do this (discussion)
Saved from CL as reposted to SC
ZANDER
Senior Member
1047 Posts Posted - 02/14/2002 : 23:22:58
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CONTACT COPY COUNTERFEIT TECHNIQUE
Contact copying is the simplest way to optically copy a hologram. In this case the holographic emulsion is brought into direct contact with the hologram. The appropriate wavelength of laser light is directed though the plate to expose the emulsion.
This type of counterfeit hologram is relatively easy to create with little equipment and training necessary. The primary advantage to the counterfeiter is that the contact copied hologram can be produced within a day. The disadvantage to counterfeit holograms made with the contact copy technique is that the hologram produced is not as bright as the original and contains more optical noise.
A trained eye can easily tell the original from a fake when compared side by side. An untrained eye will be fooled almost all of the time by a contact copy.
For my lawyers eyes only.
Sconoscuito
Average Member
570 Posts Posted - 02/14/2002 : 23:30:31
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So do you have to remove the hologram from the ID (or whatever) first?
I can see how this would work, sort of.
If I understand it right, we did the same sort of thing to make copies of film positives with a copy camera by just placing the film pos. over some negative paper and exposing it.
I don?t know diddley about holo film, but wouldn?t this method create a negative holographic image?
Lighthawk?
-=If it can be made, it can be duplicated=-
lighthawk3
Senior Member
1010 Posts Posted - 02/15/2002 : 10:31:35
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I used to do this but not in the EXACT same way that Zander descibes..........
But its not cheap to do and one of the reasons why I?m medically retired from the printing profession today.
Let me explain how this is done via a pulse laser method.
I presume that Zander is referring to Holographic security devices as found on credit cards.
If you?re going to do this to make a silver halide multiphasic holo as is found on credit cards this is what you?d need to do.
The film plate used for contact image transfer is Silver Halide emulsion gel that is encapsulated in 150 micron tri-acetate plastic film.
Most people use Agfa 8E75 film. I used to use Slavich PFC-04 film which is similar the Agfa line of Holographic emulsion plates for this series.
What you would then do is place the hologram you wish to copy directly on the BACK surface of your emulsion plate, and place it on top of a sand table.
You would then use a Helium-neon laser as a light source to expose the film in a single beam reflective setup.
(Note: the he-ne laser must have an output of at least 635nms for this to work. If your using an argon laser then 460nms. And if your using a CW[Continuous wave] laser, then 460nms minimum are required.
You would then expose the film to the laser light for no more that ten seconds.
Turn off laser and develop using bleach method.
After developing is done and the film is dried, what i?d then do is temporarily mount the film to a glass plate using liquid Tetrachloroethylene so that the hologram can be trimmed without damaging it.
After the trimming is complete, you then remove it from the glass and mount to your plastic substrate using penPayPal mounting foil.
I presume this is the method being used since optical noise is produced during this replication method using a pulsed laser and does make the holo slightly dimmer than the original.
If a Continuous wave laser was used, this would not be the case.
But then again, what was cutting technology 10 years ago is now in the realm of the amatuer hobbyist.............
JediMasterC
Junior Member
420 Posts Posted - 02/15/2002 : 10:42:08
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Great post. What kind of health hazards do the chemicals used in this process pose?
http://home.dal.net/jedimasterc
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. -Thomas Jefferson
Non Sequitur
Junior Member
376 Posts Posted - 02/15/2002 : 10:42:58
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Hawk, I take it back, you aren?t stupid.
You?re just a little annoyed with me because I like tweaking the board a little.
All I try and do is to point out what I view are obvious ploys to trick people.
Okay, once in a while I get carried away with the smart-ass attitude, but hey, being a smart-ass never really bothers people unless there is an element of truth in the words...right?
?Well, Officer, had I known she was your wife
I wouldn?t have slept with her--I would?ve
slept with your daughter instead. Now, be a nice
man and put that gun down, please??
lighthawk3
Senior Member
1010 Posts Posted - 02/15/2002 : 10:44:19
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Various forms of cancer, irreversible cirrohsis or liver damage, kidney damage, to name a few...
Onthefringe
Junior Member
566 Posts Posted - 02/15/2002 : 10:48:08
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the only reason you cant make contact copies of 99% of the holos out there is that a protective film is placed over them, and for this method to work you need to be able to have direct contact to the raw hologram. On ids the holo is etched into the backside of the overlam film so the glue prevents contact copying. Otherwise you would be able to do a lot with this?
Marlo
DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PREFERRED EMBODIMENTS
The present invention includes a process that prints a clear layer or layers over a YMCK composite printer layer on an identification card by using the overlayers as a printable surface. These overlayer panels (OP) are known in dye sublimation printing. They are typically used to protect the dyes that have been sublimated into a substrate from UV degradation. Because the OP has an UV blocking component which causes the OP layer to fluoresce in UV light, when a pattern printed in the OP layer is bathed in UV light, the entire printed pattern (whether a logo, writing or other computer generated design) will fluoresce. Different OP layers have different formations for UV protection. Ribbons with OP layers are available from Dai Nippon of Tokyo, Japan have characteristics ranging from brightly fluorescent to absorbent. Combining more than one OP layer would give the fluorescing printing changes in intensity and hue.
If the OP layer or layers are used for printing images rather than laid down on the identification card as a full sheet, the sublimated dye not covered by the image would be unprotected against UV degradation. Since the OP layers themselves are very thin, even with the OP layer being laid down on the card as a full sheet, the durability of the image is problematic. Additional overlaminate material can be laminated onto the card, increasing the durability and longevity of the card. This second overlaminate material can be the holographic material or clear material such as PolyGuard (sold by FARGO Electronics, Inc. of Eden Prairie, Minn.).
If the OP layer is printed over the dye or resin, it does not sublimate into the card but sits on top of the card. When the second overlaminate material is laminated on top of the image printed on the OP layer, a series of ridges with refracting angles are created by the printed image of the OP layer underneath the second overlaminate. By modulating the printed pattern at a high frequency, this process can create something similar to a diffractive grating where sharp angles are embossed into the reflective surface to create more refractive angles to refract light. In one form, the process causes the printed edges to refract the light so that angling the card from a light source will bring the outline of the clear printed image into view when the angle of the refracted light aligns with the viewer.
When more printed OP layers are used, then one OP layer can be used to protect the YMCK dye printing and the additional OP layer can be used for security imaging. By putting more OP layers on the card, especially when the OP layers have different refractive properties or different UV absorbing or fluorescing properties, additional security features can be devised.
The overlaminate, which is laminated onto the identification card in a second step, can be scored by the laminating print head of the identification card printer. This scoring would take the form of reflectively compatible angle grooves. Each groove further enhances the OP layer's refractive properties, creating a diffraction grating like image to appear as the card is moved away from a horizontal plane and light reflects accordingly.
The diffraction grating type image which previously had to be embossed into the overlaminates now can be simulated by printing the OP layers and using the second overlaminate which will reduce costs, time to manufacture, and enable accurate targeting of the image. In addition, if the printed overlaminate is modulated by either printing or special overlaminate manufacturing, more reflective edges are created to enhance the security image.
Identification card ribbons (FIG. 1) consist of a series of panels (in the case of FIG. 1, consisting of yellow dye (1), cyan dye (2), magenta dye (3), black resin or black dye (4), and a clear overlaminate (5) thus being known as a "YMCKO" ribbon, each of which are coated with dye sublimation ink or resin ink. Each ribbon can be configured with different ink panels depending on the specifications desired. Thus, the ribbon in FIG. 1 could eliminate the black resin panel, thus becoming a "YMCO" ribbon, or the overlaminate could be eliminated, thus becoming a "YMCK" ribbon. All combinations of ribbons that are able to print in full color require the yellow, cyan, and magenta panels. The ribbons are rolled onto circular cores (6) which fit into the printer. The ribbon is situated between the print head and the blank identification card. The printer then receives instructions from a computer that is connected to printer as to the digital images and heating instructions to heat the print head to place such images onto the identification card (7) (FIG. 2).
FIG. 3 shows the carrier ribbon (8) and the overlaminate material (9). The overlaminate material is designed so that it would completely cover an identification card when heat from the print head is applied to the entire overlaminate material. The overlaminate has a laminating material coated on the exposed side (which is face down when run through the printing process) of the laminate. When heat is applied, this coating material bonds the lamination material and the identification card together.
FIG. 5 shows the process of laminating. The ribbon core (6) has been mounted onto the core holder (12) and the ribbon (13) has been pulled through the print head mounting assembly (14) and is pinched between the print head (15) and the identification card (7), which is held tightly by a pinch roller (16). The used ribbon is re-wrapped around a take up roll (not shown). The identification card is fed into the printer by a series of pinch rollers (17) from an input hopper (not shown). The identification card (7) moves with the ribbon panel, and then is pulled in the reverse direction from which it was fed to have the next panel printed upon it. Thus the card moves forward and backwards depending upon its location and the ribbon panel location. The pinch rollers are capable of moving bi-directionally while the print head and print head mechanism remain stationary. Once printed and laminated, the identification card is moved from the print head area by a series of pinch rollers (18).
In FIGS. 4A through 4D, the results of the bonding can be seen. The identification card (7) has been printed on, and the overlaminate layer (9) has been applied over the full length and width of the identification card. FIG. 4B is a cross-section of the bonded identification card (7). The overlaminate (9) cove's the entire width of the identification card. If the cross-section was lengthwise rather than through the width of the card, the overlaminate would stretch the entire length of the card. The clear feature of the overlaminate allows the printing on the card to be completely visible. The dye sublimation (10) have sublimated into the card, remaining below the surface of the identification card (11) so that the surface is still flat until the overlayer is applied. When and where the overlayer is applied, the card's thickness is increased. Resin ink sits on top of the surface and also provides ridges.
The overlayer can be supplemented with an additional lamination at a separate station. Identification card printers such as the Cheetah II or the Pro-L (available from Fargo Electronics, Inc. of Eden Prairie, Minn.) incorporate a second lamination station for an overlaminate that is thicker and more durable than the overlaminate layer applied at the printing station. This thicker and more durable overlaminate such as PolyGuard sold by FARGO is on a separate roll from the YMCKO ribbon. These overlaminates are suitable for having a holographic type image embossed therein. In FIG. 4C, the results of applying the thicker overlaminate can be seen. The identification card (7) has the sublimated dyes or resins (10) which have become part of the card. The overlaminate layer (9) has been laid down in a full sheet to cover the entire card, and the thicker overlaminate layer (19) has been laminated on top of the first overlaminate to create a sandwich effect.
In FIG. 6, the overlayer panel (9) is printed on (20), rather than being laid down as a full sheet. The printed image can be any graphic image created on a computer FIG. 4D shows the cross-section of the card (7) with the overlayer (20) being printed as a clear printed layer rather than as an unbroken sheet. When the thicker overlayer (19) is applied in FIG. 4E, the effect is to create ridges on the thicker overlaminate sheet rather than a smooth surface as was shown in FIG. 4C. When these ridges are created, light reflects from the edges of the underlying overlaminate (20) creating a ghosting image when the card is moved from a horizontal plane.
In some cases, application of the overlaminate is not a viable option because of the cost of the overlaminate and the price of the printer required to laminate the card. In that case, a similar methodology can be utilized that achieves a similar result. In FIG. 6, the overlay materials is laid down as a first pass, with the heavier overlaminate materials being applied in the second operation, utilizing a hot roller. To achieve a similar result, the first thin overlaminate is applied in reverse, i.e., the entire overlaminate panel is applied except for the image. Instead of a raised surface on the card, the image is actually lower than the overlay material on the card. The ridges that are created are inverted, sot hat the eye can still see the image, since the image is the area where the overlay was not printed. Since there is no overlaminate coating in this embodiment, the image can be seen, otherwise the application of the second, heavier overlaminate would cover and fill in the nonprinted area. Since the non printed area has no protection from UV rays, over time the image (as this is the non printed area) will appear since the dye sublimation inks will fade from exposure to UV light.
Although the present invention has been described with reference to preferred embodiments, workers skilled in the art will recognize that changes may be made in form and detail without departing from the spirit and scope of the invention. For example, other types of overlaminate, over lamination techniques, or techniques for creating ridges in an overlaminate layer can be sued when implementing the present invention. For simplicity, a preferred species is disclosed. However, the invention includes the gnus and the invention should not be limited to any particular species when interpreting broad steps or elements of the invention.
Contact Copy Counterfeit Technique
CONTACT COPY COUNTERFEIT TECHNIQUE - Bet no one here can do this (discussion)
Saved from CL as reposted to SC
ZANDER
Senior Member
1047 Posts Posted - 02/14/2002 : 23:22:58
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CONTACT COPY COUNTERFEIT TECHNIQUE
Contact copying is the simplest way to optically copy a hologram. In this case the holographic emulsion is brought into direct contact with the hologram. The appropriate wavelength of laser light is directed though the plate to expose the emulsion.
This type of counterfeit hologram is relatively easy to create with little equipment and training necessary. The primary advantage to the counterfeiter is that the contact copied hologram can be produced within a day. The disadvantage to counterfeit holograms made with the contact copy technique is that the hologram produced is not as bright as the original and contains more optical noise.
A trained eye can easily tell the original from a fake when compared side by side. An untrained eye will be fooled almost all of the time by a contact copy.
For my lawyers eyes only.
Sconoscuito
Average Member
570 Posts Posted - 02/14/2002 : 23:30:31
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So do you have to remove the hologram from the ID (or whatever) first?
I can see how this would work, sort of.
If I understand it right, we did the same sort of thing to make copies of film positives with a copy camera by just placing the film pos. over some negative paper and exposing it.
I don?t know diddley about holo film, but wouldn?t this method create a negative holographic image?
Lighthawk?
-=If it can be made, it can be duplicated=-
lighthawk3
Senior Member
1010 Posts Posted - 02/15/2002 : 10:31:35
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I used to do this but not in the EXACT same way that Zander descibes..........
But its not cheap to do and one of the reasons why I?m medically retired from the printing profession today.
Let me explain how this is done via a pulse laser method.
I presume that Zander is referring to Holographic security devices as found on credit cards.
If you?re going to do this to make a silver halide multiphasic holo as is found on credit cards this is what you?d need to do.
The film plate used for contact image transfer is Silver Halide emulsion gel that is encapsulated in 150 micron tri-acetate plastic film.
Most people use Agfa 8E75 film. I used to use Slavich PFC-04 film which is similar the Agfa line of Holographic emulsion plates for this series.
What you would then do is place the hologram you wish to copy directly on the BACK surface of your emulsion plate, and place it on top of a sand table.
You would then use a Helium-neon laser as a light source to expose the film in a single beam reflective setup.
(Note: the he-ne laser must have an output of at least 635nms for this to work. If your using an argon laser then 460nms. And if your using a CW[Continuous wave] laser, then 460nms minimum are required.
You would then expose the film to the laser light for no more that ten seconds.
Turn off laser and develop using bleach method.
After developing is done and the film is dried, what i?d then do is temporarily mount the film to a glass plate using liquid Tetrachloroethylene so that the hologram can be trimmed without damaging it.
After the trimming is complete, you then remove it from the glass and mount to your plastic substrate using penPayPal mounting foil.
I presume this is the method being used since optical noise is produced during this replication method using a pulsed laser and does make the holo slightly dimmer than the original.
If a Continuous wave laser was used, this would not be the case.
But then again, what was cutting technology 10 years ago is now in the realm of the amatuer hobbyist.............
JediMasterC
Junior Member
420 Posts Posted - 02/15/2002 : 10:42:08
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Great post. What kind of health hazards do the chemicals used in this process pose?
http://home.dal.net/jedimasterc
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. -Thomas Jefferson
Non Sequitur
Junior Member
376 Posts Posted - 02/15/2002 : 10:42:58
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Hawk, I take it back, you aren?t stupid.
You?re just a little annoyed with me because I like tweaking the board a little.
All I try and do is to point out what I view are obvious ploys to trick people.
Okay, once in a while I get carried away with the smart-ass attitude, but hey, being a smart-ass never really bothers people unless there is an element of truth in the words...right?
?Well, Officer, had I known she was your wife
I wouldn?t have slept with her--I would?ve
slept with your daughter instead. Now, be a nice
man and put that gun down, please??
lighthawk3
Senior Member
1010 Posts Posted - 02/15/2002 : 10:44:19
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Various forms of cancer, irreversible cirrohsis or liver damage, kidney damage, to name a few...
Onthefringe
Junior Member
566 Posts Posted - 02/15/2002 : 10:48:08
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the only reason you cant make contact copies of 99% of the holos out there is that a protective film is placed over them, and for this method to work you need to be able to have direct contact to the raw hologram. On ids the holo is etched into the backside of the overlam film so the glue prevents contact copying. Otherwise you would be able to do a lot with this?
