DROPPER: Selling bank cards, accounts on exchanges, bookmakers and other services

[Cloned Boy]

Drops and dropper were once interesting to fork players and bonus hunters, then to the guys who started abusing exchanges, then coinlist abusers joined in, and now the topic of searching or buying drops is extremely relevant for p2p and cryptocurrency arbitrage. How and where to look for new cards for P2P trading? How to work with drops and drop managers? Is working with drops legal? How to organize a flow of drops? Can you get jailed for drop management? All this and more will be discussed in this topic! Don't forget to like and leave a comment! Enjoy reading!

Contents:

• Who are drop and dropper?
• What has changed in the guest experience recently?
• What areas does the guest work in?
• Is the demand for drops growing?
• Sale of bank cards under p2p.
• Prices for purchasing cards under p2p.
• Moneyback for poor quality dropshipping service.
• How to work with drops correctly?
• How to work with customers correctly?
• How much does a guest earn from drop farming?
• How did the Volgograd police "take" the guest?
• How to legalize dropper?
• How to become a dropper? Where to look for drops?
• Alternative sources of traffic search.
• What is "black" drop farming?
• Tips for those who want to drop.
• The finale.

Who are a drop and a drop-guide?
Interviewer:
If you were offered to register with bookmakers, exchanges, or even sell your personal card for money, then they wanted to make you a drop. A drop is a person who gives their personal data to register any profiles, accounts, cards. In turn, people who paid money to the drop will use these cards. Why do we need accounts registered to drops? At least to receive and play back bonuses on various platforms, in bookmakers, exchanges, and so on.
If you can earn x rubles from one account, then from 10 accounts you will earn 10 times more. In this video, I invited Grigory, who is engaged in finding drops for his own purposes, as well as for resale to other people. That is, Grigory works according to the following model. For example, he has a customer who needs a Sberbank card, or needs registration on the Beybit exchange. Grigory is looking for a person who is ready to provide this Sberbank card, or register on the exchange, and pays this person, for example, 2,500 rubles.
In turn, he then sells this card for 5,000 rubles, or makes his own markup there, which will be comfortable for him. Thus, he is a kind of intermediary between the drop and the customer who needs, in fact, the drop. The main focus of our conversation with Grigory will be on drop breeding in the field of P2P and cryptocurrency arbitrage. In short, cryptocurrency arbitrage is earning money on the difference in prices of various crypto assets.
If you are interested in learning more about this area, you can watch a couple of my latest videos on YouTube. To work in crypto arbitrage on large volumes, you need a large number of bank cards. This is why customers turn to drop breeders in order to close their needs. Grigoriy, in turn, is looking for people who are ready to give up their bank cards, that is, he is looking, in simple terms, for drips, and then he passes these bank cards on to petupishniks, who, in turn, work on these bank cards and earn money with cryptocurrency arbitrage, and Grigoriy earns his margin on the resale of the bank card.
Why use the services of drippers at all, we basically figured it out. But how legal is it? What is black dripper farming? How did the police take Grigoriy to their department? And how do you even look for drips on your own? All this is in the rest of the video. Let's go!

What has changed in the guest's work recently?
Interviewer:
Grisha, hello! 8 months ago we already recorded a joint video with you, where you talked about your working day, showed your office.
Tell us what has changed since then.

Dropper:
Hi Nikita! Well, a lot has changed since then, the employees have changed, the approach to work has changed, another office has been added. We even planned to open a third, but for now we have stopped at two, and now two offices are operating. This is Volzhsky, where we filmed, where there is a population of 300 thousand, and Volgograd, a city with a population of one million. Whether I can say that we have grown or not, I don’t know, but I think that at least we have gained a lot of experience, because we survived the wave of verifications with 1-rate, survived a bunch of other waves, and, well, I think that we have much more experience than last time.
Well, everything is happening more productively.

In what areas does the guest work?
Interviewer:
Previously, you only worked with your office for bookmakers. Tell us, has anything else been added, some new areas, perhaps?

Dropper:
Sometimes some areas are added to me. In addition to bonus hunting, we use something else. For example, we registered people under the coin list. For some time, when it was in demand, and quite a lot of people, there, under different, on different conditions and so on. Then I also tried in bank offers, but there it did not go very well and I regret it a little, but in any case, experience. Now we specialize mainly in drop breeding for bonus hunting.
Well, and a little something for ourselves, most of it for ourselves, a smaller part for sale. These are cards for P2P.

Reference:
Bonus hunting is a direction of earnings on mathematically correct wagering of bookmaker bonuses.

Is the demand for drops growing?
Interviewer:
Is it true that now there is a very high demand for drop breeding, for resources, drops for bookmakers, for P2P, or has everything remained at the same level?

Dropper:
If you look at the current market, then I think that yes, the demand is only increasing. More people write there not in personal messages, even if we take within the community, the demand is much higher, even than in the summer, it is clear that it is not the season, but even than in the spring it was, now it seems that drops are in great demand. Well, and, accordingly, P2P is also downloaded, now it is at the peak of popularity, and everyone needs cards, many people write, someone asks for exchanges as well, Binance and so on.

Interviewer:
As far as I remember, when you and I recorded the material last time 8 months ago, you said that you sell plus or minus 10 drops a day. How much has this number changed now?

Dropper:
Do you sell more? Well, at the moment, the last month, maybe a month and a half, the number of drops has dropped a little, and now on average about 8 people a day come to 2 offices. But this is more related to verifications than a lack of people, because we now attribute most of it to verifications, to training new employees, and so on. But in general, let's say, if we take July, June, then even in such seemingly sluggish times, when there are no matches, we sold there on average 13-15, sometimes 20 people a day.

Selling bank cards for p2p.
Interviewer:
Now tell us in more detail about the P2P sphere, namely about selling a bank card for P2P. Do you sell now? If not, then why? And do you use your drops for personal purposes?

Dropper:
Well, at the moment I have suspended sales, I started selling in order to understand how to interact with drops, how much to pay them, how to control them properly, what risks I have, what prices, that is, I was feeling out the market. And even when a person wrote that he needs cards, I did not offer my price, I said more how much you expect, I just chose from what they offer me, at the highest prices, at the most adequate conditions I sold cards.
I sold T-Bank, I sold Sber, Sber First, Raiffeisen, RSB, well, that is, everything that is standard, BCS too, there are several of them, that is, the standard pack of cards that any P2Per is now required. Well, of course, now I take most of the cards for myself and have not sold anything there for about 2-3 weeks, but this is due to the fact that I am also now actively involved in P2P, so the cards are more in demand for me than for sale. Until now, it is not particularly clear what pricing policy to set and in some moments it is not clear on what conditions to work with clients, because there is a risk that there will be bans on the card, a risk that the card will be restored and the drop will be stolen by the bank that is on the card.
Also, the fact that I will not be able to find, say, a drop under FZ-115, so there are quite a lot of risks, you need to understand how to work with this correctly. As I plan to sell in the future obviously, but this is much more serious than selling drops under bonus hunting.
That is, under bonus hunting we can make a pack of photos, and provided that the drop has disappeared, we can go through its rendering, or at least try to pass, then in case of FZ drop is definitely needed, and plus when dropping on bonus hunting the drop itself will not be able to steal money, at least it is very difficult to do, and in my practice of a year plus not a single drop from whom I registered has ever stolen money from the account. And when we drop under P2P, when we make cards, there is such a chance, and it is quite greater than in bonus hunting.

Prices for buying cards under p2p.
Interviewer:
Now tell us a little about the pricing policy. You said that you did not set the price yourself, but looked at how much P2Pers were willing to offer for the cards. Tell us how much they were willing to offer, and at what price did you sell them?

Dropper:
Well, it all depends on the type of card, the bank, and so on. We can consider it briefly. Let's say that the same Tinkoff offered me from 5 to 10 thousand. Sometimes one person offered to take one or two cards for 12 thousand. That is, everything is quite individual. The most important thing is what kind of trust you give the person. That is, everyone sees my face, they understand that I am quite responsible. Especially those who are with a fraudulent organization. They have been working with me for a long time.
And therefore, they are probably even willing to overpay a little. Perhaps, give a little above the market. But at least they know who they are working with. Therefore, if the dropper proves himself, then you can sell at good prices. But again, it all depends on the conditions, on the moneyback, how much I am responsible for the money that is on the card. But if we take such simple statistics, then on average Tinkoff is somewhere around 8 thousand, Sber was the first I sold for 25, Raive is also about 8 thousand, but again, now the conditions have changed a little and the price for Raive has dropped due to the limits.
RSHB 10 thousand, well, plus or minus such prices and how they again change from demand, it all depends on what bundles are running now, what cards are in demand, therefore it is different.

Moneyback for poor quality service of the dropper.
Interviewer:
You touched on the issue of moneyback, tell us a little more in detail, what is the format of moneyback in general, if someone does not know, moneyback is a refund of money for, let's say, an unrendered service, or for a service rendered, but of poor quality. For example, Grisha sold a drop with a bank card, a person went, withdrew money, the client who ordered the drop card from Grisha lost money, and Grisha must make some compensation. And so if within the framework of the bookmaker's office bonus We have some uniform rules within our closed community and everyone more or less obeys them and there is, as it were, the economy of the dropper, it is clear.
This is how things are in P2P, because there, for example, 500, and 1700, and a million can easily appear on the card, and if, for example, God forbid, the dropper does something with this money, here is how you should act in such a situation?

Dropper:
Well, firstly, here you can avoid moneyback and for each bank there are certain recommendations on how to use it correctly in order to minimize the risk that the dropper can steal money. That is, firstly, when registering Drops, we always check it for all loans, whether it pays them or not, it is better in principle not to take a person who has a loan, because at some point he may stop paying, arrests will come and arrests will come on all cards.
We also look at, well, basically, the adequacy of the person, and we adhere to certain rules. For example, it is very convenient to work with T-Bank cards, because T-Bank does not have physical banks, you will not be able to go there and block the card and reissue it. We make the drop's card on our SIM card, plus after the drop receives the card, we change the code word to ours, and then the drop will have to either reissue the card, block it, and so on, in order to get the money that is on the card.
First, he will have to change the code word via a video call, where he shows his face, shows his passport. After that, he will be able to block the card and do something with it. When he changes the code word, a notification about the change of the code word comes to Tinkoff Internet banking, and this is a warning sign that the drop is doing something with the card, and it's time to write off from there, transfer money so that he does not steal it. That is, like a small life hack that will help you save quite a lot of money, depending on what your turnover is.
Here, you can also look at other banks, the same Raifasin. Raifasin is used under the Golden Crown, for example, in Turkey. With Raif, you need to work in such a way that your money does not hang on Raif itself. That is, if they are on Raif for 15-20 minutes, then this is an acceptable time, and you should be very unlucky so that at this very moment a drop comes to the bank and blocks the card. Plus, do not leave it overnight, especially when you work on large volumes, you can have 20-30 cards in reserve, and you take a random card at a random time to minimize the risks that this particular card will be blocked.
Well, there are also all sorts of examples with other banks, but if it still comes to moneyback, then each dropper has its own rules, well, starting from some where the moneyback also goes in drops, as if under bonus hunting, and I don’t think that this is somehow completely, well, I don’t think that this is completely correct, or it can be done correctly, if there will be a sufficiently large number of drops and, well, as if acceptable conditions.
Someone returns in cash in full, yes, the amount, but again this must then be based on mathematics, how much you earn from the drop, how many drops you need to sell so that you can afford to moneyback half a million or a million rubles there just in cash, giving it to your client, yes, and without losing your reputation. That’s it.
Or, as far as I understand, some work under the moneyback of a part of the amount that is negotiated, that is, let's say, firstly, they negotiate what maximum amount they will keep on the card, for how long the guarantee is, for example, for a month, or if it is, for example, Tinkoff, or for 2, for 3, for six months, if it is Sberbank, Sberbank 1. Therefore, someone agrees, firstly, what is the limit, what amount is returned, and you can work under such conditions. But the cards that I have sold at the moment are the most manual drops, or, if we move away from this term, then the counterparties with whom I have agreed on good payment.
And, accordingly, I am 90% sure that everything will be fine. And we have already gone through the Federal Laws, and Raiffeisen, and Tinkoff, and so on, several times. But also, and for example, if we touch on Rayph, then in order not to bring it to the Federal Law, and not to jerk the drop, yes, and it can get lost there, and so on, then you feel, the employee, yes, or you, when you work with the card, you feel how the card dies,
when virtual cards stop being issued, when applications are thrown out to you, and you literally have a day there, even less, to transfer money from this card to another and continue working. That is, I conditionally work the same way with my Rayphizing cards in Turkey, and we literally only brought it to the Federal Law once, then by our mistake, but otherwise you constantly change cards, adhere to certain rules, you calmly roll back, in fact, you can even take those drops who are not in touch, if again you do everything correctly.

How to work with drops correctly?
Interviewer:
We've covered the topic of moneyback for sold drops and, in principle, the safety of working with the drops themselves, that is, what to do to prevent them from stealing money and so on. Now let's talk about legality and how to work with drops correctly. That is, essentially, a person hands you a bank card to work with and, purely theoretically, he can go to the police tomorrow and write that my bank card was stolen, money is being debited from it and, in the event of proceedings, they will contact you, and, accordingly, the person who uses this card.
Tell me, do you have any information on how to prevent this situation, and what to do if this happens?

Dropper:
Well, I have quite a lot of experience working with dropper breeding in bonus hunting, and there I kind of came to the conclusion that signing contracts with people does not make much sense, and we work as if without them. In the P2P sphere, I think that it is worth signing certain contracts anyway, so as to protect yourself. In principle, it will help in the future if any problems arise with the drop, he turns out to be inadequate, he decides to write a statement, and so on.
In order to file a report that your bank card was stolen and money is being written off from it, well, you first need to have confirmation that, well, firstly, we have an imprecation of innocence, yes, and you need to have confirmation that the money on the card is, in principle, yours, yes, and where from, especially when they use the bank cards of drops, basically millions, and two, and three, well, different amounts are being driven through there.
And well, where do some drops get such money? That is, there must be some confirmation of this. Plus, if you work specifically with some manual drops, yes, these are your acquaintances, friends, relatives and so on, with them, well, I think it will be a little easier when you explain what exactly you are doing, why, But you still need to understand that people are greedy and somehow protect yourself from this.

What is the correct way to work with customers?
Interviewer:
Now let's look at it the other way around. That is, what do you do to ensure that the second counterparty, that is, the customer who bought this card from you, does not do anything illegal with this card? For example, does not start doing some black cashing, loans, microloans, and so on for the drop that you sold to him?

Dropper:
Well, essentially, yes. That is, the person who takes the card from me for a drop, he can also apply for a loan, because he has access to his personal account and so on. He can also start cashing, and all sorts of black stuff. But the only way to protect yourself, yes, for a dropper, how can you protect yourself, is to work with those guys you trust, to whom you have access, if anything. Because, again, when you work with guys in a fraudulent organization, I basically understand that all the guys who are there are adequate, even if suddenly some problem arises, then if anything, you can get to him and somehow solve this problem personally, then that he is not just a Telegram account that will be deleted and that's it.

Interviewer:
If my subscribers also often ask, neighbor, if it is possible to buy a drop from you, I know that you have a lot of drop services. Yes, guys, we have a lot of drop services within our closed fraudulent organization, but these drops, they are not sold outside the community, because it is not safe for the droppers themselves to do this, due to the fact that the customers who write to me in private messages from the public, I cannot check their honesty, integrity, and therefore I cannot give them the opportunity to work with our droppers.
And all our droppers, they work only within the framework of this closed party of ours.

How much does a guest earn on droppering?
Interviewer:
Let's talk a little about the numbers. You said that you sell an average of 8 drops a day now, these are your two offices. Tell us how many employees work in these two offices, what is the margin in principle from one sold drop and how much in total you earn there in net profit per month, per day.

Dropper:
Well, at the moment I have one employee per office who is engaged in registering drops and plus one girl who works on fixed payment, she is engaged in Avito, is engaged in calling drops that are needed for verifications, is engaged in filling out tables, entering the budget and so on. Well, plus we are planning to add another employee, but for now there are three people plus me who work in a team.
As for the margin from the drop, now the drop costs an average of 4,500 rubles, yes, because they mostly take it without a Qiwi wallet, and net I get 2,900 from the drop, well, that is, let's round up that it's 3,000 rubles and for 8 drops on an average day, well, like this is the payment, but again it can't be called net, because there are verifications, there are moneybacks, There is payment, well, what I said 2,900, we don't take into account that there are offices, there is the Internet, well, plus some additional expenses, that is, all this happens, but on average I think that I spend half a million seven hundred per month.
If, well, we believe there a lot and don't dig in, and there are not many moneybacks, then well, somewhere like that.

Interviewer:
Tell me, how do you do moneybacks now, what are your conditions, for example, if the money got stuck on a drop and you couldn’t pass 115-FZ there, or you couldn’t pass verification at a bookmaker’s office, what do you do in such a case?

Dropper:
Well, according to the FZ, with everyone we agreed with, we agreed on the maximum amount of moneyback, and I would return it as if in cash, but so far this hasn’t happened, that is, we’ve passed all the FZs and everything is fine, but I don’t think it will, because the drops are really manual. As for dropmastering, for bonus hunting, there we have certain conditions now, but we are currently closing the verifications that have accumulated, there are old ones from the summer that have been dragging on for a long time, and I will change the conditions to more favorable ones.
But if we take the conditions that are now, then I will moneyback in drops, one drop is 10 thousand rubles, in equivalent one drop is 10 thousand rubles, up to 60 thousand rubles, but again, this is only on paper, basically we We try, I always try to make concessions, someone has 100 thousand stuck and I moneyback 10 drops, although the maximum is 6 and so on. With someone I generally moneyback, but again it all depends on how well my work is done.
If there are no mistakes on my part, and I simply physically cannot find a drop, then these are the conditions. If there is a mistake, then that we did not photograph something initially. Yes, this also happens, when a bunch of drops come in a day, it happens that one worker takes 300 photos a day, something can be crooked, somewhere it is blurred and so on, there I always try to make concessions, I always either give more drops, or I make some moneyback in
drops in the equivalent, one drop there is four and a half thousand, that is, one to one, as if you always try to make concessions to the client, so as not to lose loyalty, so that more people continue to work with you. That is, now we will close verifications and I think that we will change the story with moneyback a little in the other direction, but the criteria for bonus hunters will be a little stricter, that is, I will determine the pack office that we will roll,
that is, so that sometimes verification from Zenit flies by me, once over the summer I got verification from a 1k bet, well, in short, that is, like, it's quite strange, well, in general, the conditions will be better, but the criteria will be small.

How did the Volgograd police "take" the guest?
Interviewer:
Tell us a little about the funny incident that happened to you, to your team, how the Volgograd police took you, what was it in the end, who wrote a statement against you and how long did you end up serving?

Dropper:
Well, it's a funny situation, which seems funny now, but at the time it was quite scary. We, if you look at the video that we filmed with you then, we moved from this office to another, because after a while there were complaints about us due to the fact that different contingent comes, both adequate and not so adequate people, and there are children studying nearby, so we kind of agreed and moved to another office.
I started looking for an office with a separate entrance, as if we found a suitable option, there is one X-stavka nearby, Megafon nearby, at that time they also needed Svyaznoy, that is, Svyaznoy was perfectly nearby, that is, everything is as close as possible, a separate office, but it is absolutely not presentable, but I thought that since we are registering drops, I think in principle it makes no difference where it is, so we did a little renovation and kind of started working there. This office is located at a tram stop, there are 30 square meters, but overall it is enough, a separate entrance, so it is just perfect and plus it is not expensive in terms of rent.
And after 2-3 months of work there, I drive up to my office, I have employees working there, two people were working in one office at that time, I drive up there and go up to the door of that office and there are three people standing in front of it, quite adults, I thought that this was a drop, probably came to register, plus at that time we had a really large number of people there, they registered every day, no matter how I paid attention
to this attention, I asked them to step aside and they said, started asking some strange questions, and in whose name the lease is, but did not ask like who am I, I say that, well They started asking if I have an individual entrepreneur, and who do I work with, and how did I conclude the lease, and what do we do, and so on. But at first I thought that these were some bandits, well, or something like that, they came from there. But then they showed an ID card, that either, well, I don’t remember what it is, the State Narc, control, or something else.
Well, in short, something about the drug case. I realized that this was Comrade Major and a pretty scary thing. I asked whether I was detained or not. He said no. And I walked to the car in which my friend Pozvalov was sitting. We went into the office together. The situation was such that there were five operatives without uniforms, just ordinary standard operatives. And they were in the office.
They didn't detain anyone, but there were about 10 people in the office at the time of registering the drops, plus two workers, plus me and my friend, plus these 5 feathers, and I asked to let the drops go, that is, they searched them all, let them go, then let the workers go, so I was left with my friend, and basically the situation happened because before that, a bunch of years ago, illegal substances were sold in this stall.
After which the stall was closed, and the neighbors, apparently, who were watching this stall, whose windows overlook this side, they apparently thought that some people were hanging around this stall again, something was happening there, there was always some kind of movement, and they decided to call the employees to check. And as I understand it, as my employee later told me, one of them comes in, probably to make a test purchase, or something like that, and they start telling him that you can register here, ask him for a passport and so on.
But after that, we, they realized that there are no drugs here, they checked everyone, they let everyone go, but then some money is handed out, some strange people, and some of them treated me adequately, and I explained what I do, why we are here. But I kind of briefly told him that we take, register a person, put in free bets and that's it. Sometimes we make money, sometimes we don't.
And someone was quite, well, angry about it and, well, as always, I don’t know, maybe they were playing good cop and bad cop, but in the end they started to scare me by saying that the UBEP would come here now, na-na-na, well, that’s how it was. We waited for another half hour in the office, after which, as I realized that, well, the UBEP didn’t see the point in coming to my office, they were like, well, then you’ll come with us. And so I went with them to the department, in my car behind them.
We got there, after which I had a conversation with the employee, I also briefly told him what I was doing. And when I went into his office, he asked, like, are you going to write a statement? That is, he basically didn’t even understand why they brought me here. I said, no, not a statement, they brought me, they said to talk to you. I told the same thing, then they sent me to the main one, I also had a dialogue with him.
Well, that’s enough, in principle, they listened to me, and everything was adequate, but there was still some kind of unpleasant aftertaste after that. After which I left, that is, they didn’t detain me, they wrote it down, they took the car’s PTS, STS, all my numbers, my parents’ numbers and so on, and said there, well, if anything happens, we kind of know what you’re doing there, and all that. After which no one contacted me anymore, no specific statement was written either for the office or for me.
And, in principle, why did I treat it quite calmly, of course, at first I was a little shaken, because you still hear a lot of different stories about how things happen. But in general, it was absolutely adequate, how, in principle, everything happened, I spent literally three hours of my time. Plus, I behaved quite calmly after the first ten minutes, as I realized what was happening, because I understand that what I was doing is quite legal.
I am not doing anything illegal. All the people who come to me, they absolutely understand why they come. We do not do anything illegal, except for what we tell them. That is, as if everything that we tell them, we do. As if it is all legal. And all the people are only for it, so that we earn money, and they earn money. That is why such a situation happened. In the end, I did not serve any time. You do not continue to work. Now, yes, now this video will come out, and in principle they can take it again.

How to legalize drop farming?
Interviewer:
You said that you are not afraid of problems with the law, with the police, and in general you consider your activities to be legal. Tell us why you think so and do you draw any analogies and are you registered legally in any way, as an individual entrepreneur, self-employed, etc.?

Dropper:
Well, during my time in the dropman business, I consulted a lawyer twice. The first time was before this situation with the Department for Economic Security and Anti-Corruption, when I had already started renting an office as an individual, when I started receiving a large flow of people and, accordingly, my income began to grow significantly. Of course, I was worried about what I was doing, whether it was completely legal, and what the right thing to do was, whether I should sign a contract or not. And then I consulted a lawyer, he is quite popular, I will not name him specifically, quite popular among all sorts of temshchiki and so on.
We talked on Telegram for an hour, called each other. And I just bombarded him with questions, because it was completely unclear how I should move forward. And it was quite scary, you never know, especially when you talk to the older generation, they tell you, oh no, that's it, this is definitely the end for you, let's do this, let's do this. But in the end we agreed, as I understand it, I have three options.
Not to register at all, to register formally, this means making a contract with a drop and, possibly, self-employment. Or to register completely, officially as an individual entrepreneur, hire workers officially, KVDs and all that. And I chose the first option, that is, not to register at all. I am self-employed, but it is connected with a slightly different type of activity. And now I am not registered. Because, firstly, it is quite difficult to calculate the profit.
That is, of course, I have a margin from the drop. It is always about the same. But how can I calculate how much I will pay for verifications in the future? How much will I pay to the employees, pay for the office, and so on? Can this be calculated? But specifically with verifications, that is, literally there I can earn 500 this month, and next month I can have a bunch of verifications. And the more verifications, the higher the percentage of you not finding someone, and this means money-backs, and money-backs are from your pocket, and you still try to please everyone.
And in short, well, that is, it happens even if we take January, December-January, when I worked, there should have been super profitable months in terms of earnings, because I had an average number of drops there of 14-15 per day, that is, yes, take these two months, they came. And that is, then the drop was even more expensive, that is, my margin was much higher. That is, according to my calculations, I should have earned some really astronomical amounts, to buy an apartment there per month.
But because there were a large number of verifications, because there was a lack of experience, something was not built somewhere by the workers, somewhere I was stupid and so on, I worked there for those months not only at zero, but also in the minus. And as if I paid for a large number of people, I paid with a large number of moneybacks and gained experience, but it is still quite difficult to read. But if we take, if this concerns how legal it is, I think that it is legal, as it were, 100%.
That is, yes, again, I consulted with different people, and they told me that the only thing a person can say is that he did not give consent to the processing of his personal data and did not transfer any of his data, that I remotely, without his knowledge, registered a bookmaker account for him, do something on it. Well, on the one hand yes, but on the other hand this person, if they say so, we have 30 photographs of him, where his passport is photographed, where he is sitting with a passport, with a piece of paper, and so on.
Well, it is unlikely that we force a person to take photos 30 or more times at gunpoint, and then we let him go to work alone and he goes with his passport, that is, we do not take any of his relatives hostage there, that is, he will leave on his own, we do not accompany him, and he can leave at any time if he does not like something, we do not force anyone. Therefore, I do not think there is any problem in this.
And if we take my experience, it seems to me that I have quite a wealth of experience over this year, plus work in drop-farming. There alone in Volzhsky we registered more than 5 thousand people, I think in total it is somewhere around 7, maybe even more thousand people for the entire time that I have been working. And so far there has not been a single person who was indignant. There were people, but they were more connected with bank offers, where we had to open individual entrepreneurship for people. Well, again, it was not a cash-out, it was all legal.
There are enough, well, there were problems, but the problem is no longer with the law, the problem is more with people. People were indignant, and again, I, well, had to make concessions, compensate there and so on. But still, no matter what kind of person he is, no matter how spitefully he is against you, you can still try to find a common language with him and somehow agree on something, so all the problems that ever
arose, they were sort of resolved outside the law, well, that is, no one filed claims against us, but I think even if something similar happens in the future, then I would be absolutely open, our office has been working for six months or seven months in one place in Volzhsk, there in Volgograd, plus or minus the same amount, well, as if it were necessary, well, how If anything, then you just hire a lawyer and start sorting out a specific case, or maybe somehow out of court.
If a person doesn’t like something, you compensate them for either moral damage or something else. In general, I don't think it's a big problem, that it's worth worrying about. Again, it's not clear about the cards when registering. Again, there are some rumors, I saw, maybe these aren't rumors, that they will start strictly controlling droppers regarding cards, but it's not clear what exactly they are talking about. If it's about black stuff, then, of course, it needs to be controlled. That is, a person can find himself in a difficult situation, they offer him five thousand for a card, and he's like, damn, well, yeah, I guess I should pay it back.
And then there are loans, then there are, I don't know, microloans, then there is cashing out, then some guys come to you and say, listen, here are two million, I feel like the card was cashed out, how come. Well, that is, it seems to me that with droppers for bonus hunting, in principle, there shouldn't be almost any problems. If you do everything correctly and understand who else you are selling this account to, then there is an adequate person to whom you are right, so that no additional problems should arise.
Regarding P2P, of course, something may happen, but, again, you need to understand what you are selling for and follow the laws. If, of course, some law is passed that it is completely forbidden, in no way at all, and for this there will be a real tsk-tsk, then, of course, no one will do this. But, again, I think that it is unlikely that this will happen, and if it does, then it will probably concern more the guys who are droppers for black topics.

How to become a dropper? Where to look for drops?
Interviewer:
I think that, having listened to all your thoughts, all your results that you talk about, many viewers will be interested in becoming the same dropper, at least for themselves, in order to also drop for bookmakers, for cards. By the way, this is relevant for my subscribers, because many are now engaged in the P2P sphere, and while this is the immediate environment, everything is easy and simple, there, mom, dad, friend, uncle, acquaintances and so on.
But when all this disappears, when the immediate circle, so to speak, is unscrewed, there, in bookmakers, on cards, and you need to go further, that is, you need to look for the necessary material in the form of drops among a larger circle of people, that is, there are ordinary people, so to speak, from the street, this is where many have problems. How to find people not from the immediate immediate environment.

Dropper:
If you drop for yourself and you need small volumes, then it will be enough to find a few of your friends there, if you yourself, well, as if you rarely communicate with anyone, let's say, or it is difficult for you to go there yourself and find there, you do not want to bother your friends there and so on. You can try to find a couple of people there who are either, say, studying at the institute, or are in dorms there, yes, and so on. That is, guys who are good at talking, it is enough to simply persuade their friends, their acquaintances, and so on.
Here we have 2 main sources of traffic. This is Avito and word of mouth. Avito accounts for about 20 percent. Avito works well at the very beginning. You launch an ad for vacancies and your personal messages just explode. Everyone needs a job and everyone writes you 100 messages an hour. Well, give or take. But when a week passes, and a week and a half passes, two, and the same people look at your ad, they have already seen it, and there are fewer and fewer people writing to you, fewer and fewer people come.
That is why Avito is such a thing to get initial traffic and then you need to connect the second type of traffic, word of mouth. Word of mouth gives 80% of traffic. That is, a person comes from Avito, you offer him some conditions, like, listen, you can bring another person, or better yet, three at once, let's say, and we'll pay you this much, and if you bring five, we'll give you another 100 rubles more for each person. And the person himself comes, he came from Avito, he registered, he understands that everything is fine here.
And why does sarafanka work better, because one thing is, you see an ad on Avito, where they throw you a text or call and say, listen, you need to come here, take 30 photos with your passport, but I'll give you 1000 rubles, but if you're registered, I won't give you anything. And you're like, well, damn, I don't know, I probably won't go. But when a friend comes to you and says, listen, I earned 1000 rubles there in 30 minutes, let's go earn some money too, I'll get 500 rubles for you, and you'll get 1000. It's like there's still trust from your friend, and you come and calmly register.
That's why sarafanka is very powerful, it needs to be launched, very carefully monitored at the initial stages. That is, a person comes to you from Avito, you need to always understand that any person has at least one person to whom you can register. Even for me, having worked for a year plus, I understand that if right now someone comes to me and says that I need a drop, I need a person who is not registered, I will just search, think about who, and I will still find one person. Although I have already re-registered everyone, and relatives, and friends, and friends, and friends, and so on, and so on.
That is, as if all the people around me, in principle, are already registered. But even for me, I think that there is such a person. And for people who come from Avito, this is even more so. That is, this starts with close relatives, friends. Each person, there, at least has one friend, right? Or, there, an acquaintance. Therefore, you need to launch Avito and pump up word of mouth well. And if word of mouth is pumped up well at some point... Well, let's say, we had those moments when we already, well, postponed drops to the next days, because too many people came.
And at that moment, so many people were not needed.

Interviewer:
With word of mouth, in principle, I think, it is clear, right? That is, conditionally, you pay 500 rubles, as Grisha said, to the one who brought, and 1000 rubles to the one who came. This is for bookmakers, as I understand it. Accordingly, the pricing policy for cards is slightly different, but the meaning, I think, is clear. But as for Avito, I wonder what kind of ad are you posting? Like, you need a drop?

Dropper:
No. Well, Avito blocks such ads. That is, even if you write that you need a person for a bookmaker, your ad will be immediately removed. So you shouldn't even try, firstly, because the ad is paid, and secondly, you will waste time. We make ads as a general worker, that is, we go to Avito, work, vacancies, general worker. We write in the description, put some photo, and on the photo we write “part-time job”, but in the title of the ad we can’t write “part-time job”, so we write “general worker”.
Here, in the description we write that we need such-and-such people, 18+, men, girls, it doesn't matter, one-time part-time work with such-and-such pay, plus there is an additional part-time job, this is exactly about the fact that you can bring people. Here, we publish, if the ad is published, it happens that it is blocked, you need to go through verification, there is nothing complicated there, like FaceID, just turn your head, so, well, it's all simple, and then the ad will be published.
If it is published, everything is great, a large number of people start writing it. And there are two options. You can throw a prepared text. Well, a prepared text, it works fine in principle, but now we use calls. That is, there is a girl who works for us, she calls those people who respond to the vacancy. She calls them and tells them. Here, she tells them, answers questions, invites. So more people will come than if you just throw the same text to 100 people.
If they throw a text there, then probably 3 people out of 100 will come. And if you call, then many more people agree. Also, ads are often blocked, so those people who come to the councils need to be asked to leave reviews. Plus, you can ask to leave reviews, well, just your friends and acquaintances first write about this ad, so as not to just leave a review, because it will not be accepted. And then leave a review that everything is fine, I came, received money without any problems.
And the ad, if you have at least a few reviews, it lasts much longer than an empty one.

Alternative sources of traffic search.
Interviewer:
Listen, cool, interesting, I think that very valuable info for the guys who will be looking for drops themselves. From myself, just out of curiosity, I want to know if you have tried other sources of traffic, there is advertising on VKontakte, in various, maybe some chats, there is outdoor advertising in the city itself, have you had such thoughts?

Dropper:
I have tried a lot of things. Well, like, what comes after Avito, it's clear that you want to immediately use all sorts of work groups, there, yes, for part-time work, there, for general workers and so on. Just groups of your city, yes, place an ad. But, first of all, everything is individual here, everything depends on the city absolutely. I talked to other droppers, and someone lives right here, his traffic lives precisely on these groups, that's it. And quite a lot of people, even now I know that he, well, registers a lot of people precisely from these groups.
I tried, people came, but not as many people as there are on Sovita, that is, I somehow didn’t do very well with these groups. Plus, many refuse, even you take paid advertising, that is, you say, I have no problem, I am ready to pay, you say that they doubt what you do there, they don’t want to advertise, you say, come to the office, or let me come and show you, I sent my video that we filmed before, and still, like, zero reaction, they refuse, but this is quite unpleasant.
Regarding outdoor advertising. I thought about hanging a banner, my office is located great, like on the main street, and it would be very profitable to hang a banner, because there is a lot of traffic. But I don’t dare, because it will only attract unnecessary attention. Like, what should I write on the banner that says come 20 minutes in advance and get a thousand, and not only will the drops come to me, I think that some of the authorities will also come for thousands.
That's why I haven't decided on a banner yet, we've also tried leaflets. But with leaflets, the situation is twofold, that is, firstly, you have to spend money on the leaflets themselves, well, okay, and secondly, someone has to put them up. The best thing is if you do it yourself at the initial stage, because you definitely understand that you won't throw them in the trash. And I tried, well, that is, I didn't, I personally didn't put them up, I took different guys.
And that is, we tried two different groups of people, there were several people, and we didn't get much result from it, because we also tried to control by photographs and so on. And in principle, we received a large, well, a sufficient number of photographs, that the leaflet was pasted. But there was no particular result and literally two days pass there, I go to the places where they pasted and there was nothing left. I haven’t tried distributing them, maybe it will work, well, maybe more people will come if you distribute leaflets, I haven’t tried that.
But I don’t know. That is, I would gladly join up there, I don’t know, with some arbitrageur, I would give him leads. But again, I think that such a contingent that comes to register, I’m not saying that it’s bad, there, the contingent that comes to register is either young guys or older guys, again, there are adequate adults, but there are also not quite adequate ones. And I don’t know if an arbitrageur will be able to pour me such a contingent, I don’t think so.
You can try everything, but in different regions everything works differently.

What is “black” drop farming?
Interviewer:
Tell us what black drop farming is, have you ever worked this way, have you ever sold drops for some black stuff, and what do you think about this type of activity in general?

Dropper:
Well, I've never worked in the black drop-off business, but I've heard a lot about it, they still offer it a lot, and they offer it both by simply writing about something in Telegram and in person. They even came to the office and said, like, damn, listen, here you can do this and get this many numbers, of course, it's great and all this is very cool, but I don't really want to get involved with this because if you have clients who take it for something
white, why mix it with black, you can get a lot of money at the moment, but in the end it can all end very badly, that is, they offered cashing out and a mortgage, you can take it at an inflated price, and so on, but it's all absolutely uninteresting, although the amounts sound such that it seems to me that some beginner dude might agree if he wants to do this.
Black drop-offs can be different, starting from making cards for accepting black stuff, making electronic wallets, this is Yumoney and so on, Webmoney maybe, for verification on all sorts of exchanges too, well, something black there and so on. Then, well, like I said, what I cashed out IP, LLC, on a mortgage, well, in short, a bunch, a bunch, a bunch of things can be done. I don’t think it’s worth doing this, because now there are quite a lot of forks, a lot of bonus hunters, P2P in general, like a super popular thing, and if you want to do trading, where you can talk to people, you can attract them, then it’s better to do something white, especially there, I don’t know, watch your video on Corona, invite, find 10 friends, do Raiffeisen and make money there.

Advice for those who want to drop-offs.
Interviewer:
So, I don’t know, maybe someone out there will be interested in this, but I don’t really think so. In principle, I completely agree with you, it’s better to earn money legally and in the long term you will 100% earn more, because you can disrupt the course by doing dirty deeds and then just go far away for a long time and all your income will come to zero. Let’s talk some more, Grisha, about the difficulties you encountered on your way. And in general, give advice to the newbies who are now watching this interview and who will be inspired, based on the numbers they heard, to engage in this topic.
Tell me, is it worth doing? And if not, then why? If yes, then why?

Dropper:
Well, there were quite a lot of difficulties. And there, starting from the fact that we could not find a person and ending with a lack of experience. But I think that the main problem is that, well, it’s quite difficult. At some point, well, I started working alone, and it was all super easy, because, well, how could I not say it was easy, I devoted a lot of time to it.
But when I was there, a hungry student, and there is an opportunity to earn good money, that is, you just do it non-stop, give your all, just for the sake of it, not even so much as for the sake of money, for the sake of the fact that you are simply interested in doing it and, in principle, for you, a new field. But then you understand that you need to grow. You start to assemble a team, or to assemble employees. I had both a team and employees. And it is all quite difficult. Perhaps, because of my age, yes, and inexperience, it is difficult to organize a team.
Perhaps, in principle, there are few people there who can be trusted with something. I don’t know, it seems to me, both. That is, it is quite difficult to find such an employee who will do it the way you did it before. Accordingly, at some points the level of my drop-farming, my service fell. But I tried my best to minimize all this, but it cannot be avoided. That is, the moment when you move from working alone to working in a team, when you delegate responsibilities, delegate registration, delegate verification, and so on.
That is, huge problems can arise here, different scales of the problem. You can solve it quickly, or it can drag on for months, you can basically go bankrupt and understand that you should never do drop farming. What can I advise newbies, to go or not to go? Well, it seems to me that it is worth trying in any case. That is, well, again, if you understand that you are ready to work on large, well, not that on large volumes, but in the long term.
That is, not just register your friends, relatives, acquaintances and that's it, but are ready to search, are ready to make ads on Vita, launch word of mouth, and so on. If you are ready for this, then why not. Well, and most importantly, when you are recruiting employees, I think that you need to pay attention to what kind of person it is. My experience tells me that working with friends is, on the one hand, super cool, because there is trust, I trust them, because we work with passports.
I understand that they are going nowhere, these photos that we take, they are not going to the left and so on, but on the other hand, it is quite difficult, because it is lost, there should be a line between work and friendship, but it is kind of lost and it is quite difficult to explain to a person later what you want from them or why you are telling them this way, although they seem to be friends, and then it turns out like this. In short, I am going through all this, I have been through all this, and building teams, I think, is the most difficult thing in this.
It's not hard to start, I rent an office, offices in the regions especially cost 6-10 thousand rubles usually. I rent an office, immediately think about how you will pass verifications. Immediately make a questionnaire, take as much information from the drop as possible. That is, a person comes and he fills out a questionnaire with his last name, patronymic, phone number, two additional phone numbers, actual address of residence, who brought him, the phone number of who brought him, and the date when he was registered.
That is, we have a large accounting department, we control all this, because when you have registered a bunch of drops and you receive a verification for a monthly drop, you will no longer remember who it is, what it is and when he came. Therefore, let him fill out a questionnaire, take as many photos as possible, high-quality ones, it is better to spend on a phone at the beginning than on an office. And the photos should be wise, there is no point in taking useless photos.
If you understand what your clients will be doing, say they are playing fonbet, then take a bunch of 20-minute photos, if they are playing something else, then take photos for it. And change backgrounds, change different laptops, but again, you don’t necessarily have to buy a new laptop every day, but all sorts of broken monitor screens cost 500 rubles, it’s better to buy them several times and change them so that there is some uniqueness of the photo.
That is, it is also necessary to make the photo unique, because if you take a high-quality and unique photo, it will save you a lot of time in the future. It is easier to pass verification in two or three stages than to drag it out for a month, a month or two or three, so try to tune in to working with the client, somewhere you will probably go into the minus.
Well, I don't know if this is good advice or not, but, like, this is exactly what I did, that is, maybe for some months, I didn't even earn money, but, like, I probably got some kind of recognition from people that, you know, I'm ready to handle any situation, and that I won't get lost there, and that, you know, not a single fraction will go to Egypt, so, I don't know, it seems to me that it's worth starting in any case, to see how you can handle it yourself. It's not even necessary to get an office at first, you can just start somewhere or at home.
I generally registered the first drops on the street, they just stood next to a single bet with a piece of paper. So, well, damn, everyone starts with this.

The final.
Interviewer:
Well, and just be responsible about your work, I think everything will be fine. Grisha, thank you very much for this conversation, for a full-fledged interview on the topic of drop farming. This topic is very close and familiar to me, so I personally liked the conversation and I hope that you, my viewers, also liked everything very much. Write questions that you have left for Grisha, the most interesting ones, the most liked ones. I will ask Grisha to answer and I will post his answers. Grisha, thank you again, and I will run to prepare, as always, for a new interview.
Bye!