Owners of darknet forums and the most colorful personalities of the darknet

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RUSSIAN SHADOW FORUMS.

Famous carder Sergey Pavlovich talks again with a mysterious masked man, who this time will tell us about various darknet forums, cult personalities, guarantees, services and real owners.

Enjoy reading!

Contents:

• Sale of SIM cards
• SIM card recovery
• Money transfers
• Gambling. Bookmakers and poker.
• Software and hacking. Floods and SMS bombers.
• Security and anonymity
• Legal services
• Job search on forums
• Scans of documents
• Information leak
• Selling accounts
• Clothing market
• Arbitration on forums. Complaints and dispute resolution.
• Famous personalities on the forums
• Which forums can be trusted
• The Future of Forums
• Who is the owner of DARKMONEY
• Results

Selling SIM cards
Pavlovich:
Hello, friends. Let me remind you that we are continuing the topic of shadow forums. And you can make peer-to-peer transfers, that is, cash out crypto between private users like you. And I also often use this service, by the way. And now we continue about Darkmoney and other forums. And we have already discussed the main services that are sold on them, cashing out and so on.
And now we will run through the rest, like SIM cards and all other shadow services. So don't switch over.

Fraudster:
SIM cards. Well then. All-all-all forums have a separate section dedicated to SIM cards. Both sales of SIM cards, as well as punching SIM cards, as well as recovery and other services that may be related to this. SIM cards can be sold in literally huge quantities. Often this is due to the momentary moment.
A year ago, there was a huge demand for Tele-2 SIM cards registered to individuals. They were sent en masse to exchange offices to accept payments. As soon as banks start blocking cards or any other interference in work occurs, people look for ways out of the situation. And at that time, there was a way out - buying Tele-2 SIM cards for an individual.
They were sold from 250 sometimes to 500 rubles per card.

Pavlovich:
But not cheap up to 500 rubles, I buy SIM cards at a kiosk for 50-100 rubles, usually in packs.

Fraudster:
If you take Moscow, on the same Savelovsky you can buy MTS. Right next to us. Still, if we take the generally accepted places where it is sold, let's take Savelovsky. An MTS SIM card will cost 100 rubles there, a Megafon SIM card will cost, roughly speaking, 200 rubles. By the way, just for fun, I approached a SIM card seller at the Food City market and asked how much he sells per day. He is not Russian, of course, he said that his average sales are up to 30 SIM cards, that is, at 100 rubles, his revenue there is 3000.
By the way, maybe the viewers will answer me one question, because I myself do not know the answer to it yet. Very often SIM cards are lying on the road, closed, sealed, and I understand that they were thrown out for some purpose, so that I would pick them up and do something. What is the trick, in replenishment, in the balance or something else, I do not know.
Who knows, answer.

Pavlovich:
I think 90% of you have used crypto for something or will use it. But if you think that the same bitcoin is anonymous, then I will disappoint you. It is not anonymous at all, and if you have exposed your personal data somewhere, then the blockchain trail can easily identify the person who owns a particular wallet. As happened last month with the hackers from Reveal, some of whose funds were simply identified and confiscated by the American authorities.
But it's not all that bad. It is still possible to cover your tracks in the Bitcoin blockchain. And the Blender.Io service will help you with this, anonymizing your transactions. The principle of the service is very simple. You send BTC to the mixer wallet, and in return you receive completely different bitcoins of completely different people. Thus, various IML systems lose track of transactions and cannot link it to a specific person.
Among the features of the service. Complete confidentiality. The company adheres to a strict no-log policy and does not store information about users and transactions you have made. Immediately after the transaction, all data on interaction with the service is deleted. Instant transaction. You do not need to wait until the system collects the required number of transactions to form a pool, because thanks to the reserves of the AIO blender, transactions are performed instantly.
Support for Segwit and Batch32 addresses. Users can also control the transaction delay time to increase anonymity up to 7 days. And the last thing is a dynamic commission. Users can choose the commission for mixer services themselves and the commission varies from 0.5% to 2.5%. It is clear that the higher the commission, the faster your transaction will be processed by the network. Remember again, Blender IO will help you avoid problems and remain anonymous.
Link in the description.

Fraudster:
Well, so, on the forums, after all, they are suppressed ... Or maybe they just lost them? Or do you find a whole pack of them? 2-3 pieces in different places. Well, I don't know.

Pavlovich:
This is how Megafon distributes its SIM cards so that you take it, find it, oh, a new working SIM card, well, let me use it. You, hop, put money on the balance and use it. Well, I analyzed it, I saw them in different places. I don't know what kind of scheme this is. Well, maybe the viewers will answer us. Because when they throw flash drives, yes, near banks and other interesting structures, then you will obviously insert this flash drive with a specific purpose, damn, and it will bypass all your protections and steal half of your corporate databases.
And out of curiosity, yes, such a terrible human sin. Well, one of the most interesting qualities for an entrepreneur, for example, curiosity is generally super inquisitiveness, but for an employee there, I don’t know, the police, out of curiosity, inserting a flash drive found just on the road into her office computer.

Fraudster:
this may not end very well on the SIM card on forums, of course, the main main sale is legal entities, but that is, when an organization is registered to some drop, he writes a letter asking to issue 100, 200, 500 thousand SIM cards, depending on communication with the manager who issues these cards, a huge number of corporate SIM cards are obtained. They go to a variety of areas and for registration on Qiwi wallets, and for receiving some SMS, that is, the market is huge.
Just a few years ago they were sold like sunflower seeds, even taken out of all the shells and cost some pennies, but recently the operator takes some minimal monthly subscription fee, and the cost of SIM cards has, of course, increased because of this.

Pavlovich:
Yes, do you know how much? I just activated several cards for myself, I needed Tele 2, Beeline, well, in general, I basically have to pay about 300 rubles a month for them now as a subscription fee. They don’t have such packages anymore, like you paid 50 rubles there, and that’s it, they are for receiving SMS, you can use them for years, they don’t exist anymore, really, two months ago I activated cards for 300 rubles so as not to forget, because access to them will be lost, I set up autopayment
and 300 rubles fly into them every month.

SIM card recovery
Fraudster:
There is such a highly criminal market, it is called the SIM card recovery market. It is mainly for stealing money from citizens' bank accounts. This is also a service, it is presented in the SIM card section. An illegal service, please. This is a very illegal service. This is a crime, and it, in general, has a fairly high detection rate.
That is, people who do this, both employees of mobile operators and those morons who come to them with powers of attorney, are, of course, the first candidates for prison. So, how does the restoration happen? A person comes to a mobile phone store with a temporary identity card. A temporary identity card in ordinary normal life is a very rare piece of paper.
When a person loses a passport, and in order for this week or two while the passport is being restored, he can demonstrate something somewhere, he is given the so-called VUL - this is a paper certificate with a seal, with a photo. On the black market, it costs about a thousand, plus shipping. In principle, it replaces a passport. And so the person goes either with a temporary identity card, posing as someone else, or goes with a fake power of attorney.
For example, if the SIM card is in Yurik's name and the mobile operator allows Yurik's representative to approach almost any store, then a fake power of attorney is issued and the SIM card is restored.

Pavlovich:
They don't check the authenticity of either this ID or the power of attorney in any way?

Fraudster:
No, no, they don't check it. The other thing is that...

Pavlovich:
They don't even look at the light? Watermarks and so on?

Fraudster:
The power of attorney from the organization is on a regular white piece of paper. Well, with a seal. The organization's seal costs 500 rubles. Here, plus, well, delivery. Accordingly, this is nothing. This is not protection. But this market is slowly dying, or one can say practically dead, and banks have learned to protect themselves. In one of my previous issues, I had a topic about restoring a SIM card and logging into a bank account within an hour.
The Beeline representative responded that no, that we are not like that, that we have solved this problem. I don't know, that is, I haven't been doing this restoration of SIM cards for my own needs for a long time, that is, I haven't tested it. I know that any SIM card has two identifiers, except for the IMEI number. There is another one, I don't know how to explain it technically, but there are two numbers at once.
And when the SIM card is changed, that is, you physically change it to the next one, the information from the SIM card only goes to the bank from the first IMEI, and the second one does not arrive, and the bank does not receive this SMS and does not send a response. That is, banks are now protecting themselves like this, that is, it has practically become difficult to immediately restore the SIM card and log into the account, they give a one-day hold, that is, one day from the moment of restoration.
So, how exactly does the market work and what are the conditions for restoring a SIM card? And prices. The price fluctuated from 15 to 75 thousand. Depending on the operator? Depending on what the SIM card is being restored for. This was the business of such a member on DarkMoney CMD, that is, he specialized in restoring SIM cards.
He would always ask what it was being done for, that is, maybe there was a Qiwi wallet, well, I don’t know, the SIM card died, there was money on the Qiwi wallet, maybe it was a theft of funds, maybe the person really needs to get some details, or make a call from this SIM card. And usually they negotiate the conditions that the SIM card was restored, it went online, sent an SMS to someone, even 30 seconds passed, that’s it, the job is done.
It happens that the victim, to whom the SIM card is registered, quickly gets scared, and literally a minute later it dies. That is, the SIM card was restored, but it goes out again, and the person is unable to perform any journalistic actions. But this is a matter of agreements. I repeat once again, this is a black market associated with thefts.
Here both the employee of the mobile operator and the drop that goes on suffer, because there are video cameras everywhere anyway. The drop usually doesn't have much brains, he has his mobile phone with him, and if he just bothers, basically making a flash, that is, who was here at that moment, at that hour, for some wild money, there 50, for 100 thousand you can find out who was doing what. All this is quite solvable now.

Pavlovich:
And for the cops it is generally free and fast?

Fraudster:
The cops have requests, although they say that SORM and the mode are practically online, this is not true, they will be given information in two weeks, and often for the victim it is nothing. This does not mean that the money that was stolen with this help has been spent. I will once again answer Beeline in detail, which made a comment in one of my previous videos.
Everything is, of course, good and, perhaps, your protection has improved, but please look at the prices for a check, for detailing on the black market. Beeline is the cheapest. If I need to check, for example, information about who a subscriber belongs to, it will cost me, for example, 400 rubles. I will check MTS for 700-800 rubles. I will check Megafon somewhere for 1500-1800.
Teledva, if I'm lucky, I will find an executor for 3-5, maybe even 10 thousand, or maybe I won't find one. That is, I will repeat now, learn from Teledva.

Pavlovich:
As they call it abroad, in my opinion, teledu, for some reason, in Poland somewhere teledu.

Fraudster:
I am speaking about the market situation. Now, if Beeline is really leaky enough, then probably a person who uses Beeline, for example, uses a Beeline SIM card to log into a bank account, risks more than a person who uses a SIM card of other operators. This, again, is my opinion. Perhaps Beeline will answer me under this video. I am not going to argue, I am just telling.

Pavlovich:
I think you have all heard about the "Eye of God" bot in Telegram. I have a separate issue dedicated to it, watch it at the link, which in a matter of seconds finds any information available in open Internet sources about your offender, debtor or just a girl you like. The search is conducted by phone number, email, full name or car number. Profiles on Instagram, VKontakte and other social networks and instant messengers.
You can also very quickly find a person by photo, punch the entire set of information on his IP address or bitcoin wallet. Works for almost all countries, but most of all the information in the bot is on citizens of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. True, there is a problem, the eye of God is constantly removed from the telegram, so the working link is in the description under the video. Yes, and you can also submit a request to remove information about you from the bot's output, which will be satisfied as quickly as possible.
Link in the description.

Money transfers
Fraudster:
The next section, which is on many sites, is money transfers, but this is a fairly rarely visited section. I believe that a highly specialized and rather specialization is the divorce on dating sites. That is, when some young lady writes off with some Western person and, in general, agrees to her arrival there, but, of course, she is poor, and it would be desirable for him to send money for an air ticket.
And, unfortunately, my mother just got sick, now we have to put her in the hospital, it costs so much, so much. And there is a transfer to Western Union, Unistream, and so on.

Pavlovich:
This topic from Yozhkorly is mainly there, because all these brides, yes, so-called, I will now withdraw from one person there, he wrote to me last night.

Gambling. Bookmakers and poker.
Fraudster:
The next section, it is on all sites except for the State Traffic Safety Inspectorate, is bookmakers. And, of course, although it is called BC, I believe that the lion's share of visitors there are visitors to poker rooms, that is, making money on poker. There is useful information there, if you write directly to a competent person and ask for some training, you will most likely receive it.
The question is how to correctly identify a competent person. But in fact, I think that all these discussions of bookmakers on financial sites are basically about nothing. You write directly, you get advice, and everything else is not a product, what is in the bookmaker section, poker and so on and so forth.
If a person is sitting on some topic, on a poker one, that is, he knows how to somehow start, beat, withdraw money, get a competent rakeback there, he will not share this, that is, this is some kind of private information.

Pavlovich:
The public is for sale, right?

Software and hacking. Flood rooms and SMS bombers.
Fraudster:
The section, which is also everywhere, software and hacking, I, as a technically illiterate person, not only tried to skip. If I needed some kind of program, for example, when we bought a call hammer, a flood room, well, very contradictory impressions.
We were not deceived, they sold it to us, I have a friend who is a technically competent person, that is, he negotiated, he received all these flood-callers, and what is the contradiction? The people who sold them, presented on the site for two, three, four, five years, they have good reviews from normal members about these flood-callers, and they do not work. That is, it is clear that we first tested on ourselves, well, that is, first you test on yourself before buying, it seems to work, then you buy, test on yourself again, nothing.
Either a crash, or something freezes, then the program freezes again,

Pavlovich:
Some kind of constant crap. In general, you may just be unlucky. And there may be some other software there, and of high quality?

Fraudster:
And there are no others. Maybe on another site, maybe on the same VVH, but these same people sell with the same nicknames on other sites, they also have good reviews. In our case, we got out of the situation that a technically competent person developed his own flood, but he does not sell it on sites, but based on what we often have, he specifically has, and what they offer there in heaven and earth, Zhiguli and Mercedes, well, but we do not sell
yet, well, that is, and probably will not eat and eat for our own use, that is, we want to direct a large flow of calls to someone, but we will put a standard phone, ask for this because I looked.

Pavlovich:
SMS bomber studied these, I thought about making some kind of issue about them, I did not find a single one, for example.

Fraudster:
For example, I don’t know about Belarus, we haven’t tried it, that is, right now, in fact, it’s there, it’s lying around and glory to God. That is, this equipment is lying around, everything is ready, but between you and me, it’s still a small thing, a small thing, but it’s significant that we couldn’t...

Pavlovich:
Just to annoy some person out of a sense of revenge.

Fraudster:
Yes, I’ve received such orders from loved ones, there, during family divorces, like those, when suddenly the husband and wife become each other’s worst enemies and ask to screw over somehow. At first you try to dissuade them, but you understand that nothing bad will happen, the person will simply turn off their phone in five minutes. And this person will sort of assert himself, show strength.

Security and anonymity
Fraudster:
The next section is Security and anonymity.

Pavlovich:
Probably the most useful section. One of the most.

Fraudster:
Not for a Russian person. It’s not very popular. There’s a big division there. Or a teapot comes in who doesn’t know anything and says, teach me. That’s it. I think that the section is theoretically useful, but in fact it is useless. That is, if you are engaged in black stuff, then the set of knowledge that they will give you there will not be enough, you will be put in jail, there is no escape.
They will be put in jail. And if you are engaged in white, well, not white is good, if you are engaged in conditionally gray, well, damn, buy a disposable laptop, a disposable, I don’t know, modem, a disposable SIM card and don’t have your mobile phone nearby. Well, it’s quite enough.
If your business is profitable, well, you worked for a month and threw it away, that is, you roughly got 30 thousand there, well, this means the business must be profitable, anonymity, it costs money. To bother with all sorts of padding, VPNs, socks and so on and so forth. My opinion is that there are 1-5% of competent specialists on financial sites like Dark Money, and the rest are not. This is again my opinion.

Legal services
Fraudster:
The next section. Let's call it legal services, they are everywhere, and for some time there was such a character on the shadow sites, he is still there, he is from the Altai region, from Goodrick, I think even from Barnaul. Some kind of strange person. I sincerely do not understand what a lawyer, an attorney should do on such shadow sites.
How can you provide advice to a person in trouble in Moscow if you are in the Altai region? And if you take it on and provide assistance, you have to stupidly write all sorts of crap, that is, be in correspondence, stupidly waste time, you simply will not be able to earn money at your main job in this Barnaul. Well, that is, you get that you are a very scattered person.
For fun, not for what I need, but for fun, I sent him requests several times, well, I received some average answers. Often people praised him for such answers, Like, damn, I got a great consultation. Well, for me, all this is on the Internet. And the lion's share of questions on this site, when you've already gotten into trouble.
That is, when they've already arrived, when the VPN has already blinked. Well, that is, somewhere you've already been exposed. And the series, what will happen to me, what should I do. Collect cash, dry crackers. Well, here, he overwhelms a person with advice, and everyone immediately becomes a gangster Chichi-Gaga from the series "Don't trust, don't be afraid, don't ask." The main thing is that you don't tell anyone anything, and in general be a man of steel.
Well, that is, they carry some kind of absolute heresy. Here, I'll tell you my life experience. Unfortunately, I often had to attend various interrogations, in different structures. And, for example, I had the most difficult interrogation. With the participation of police officers, I was interrogated by the tax authorities.
An unpleasant situation arose, that a close person of mine, with whom we once studied together, asked me to take over his absolutely white company. I took it. We had, that is, good activity. He had a good construction site, everything was fine. But then something went wrong with his brain, light drugs, something went wrong with his psyche, and without my knowledge the company went to pieces. But while all this was going on, my accountant, that is, we kind of became friends with the accountant who was running this company, and I could not let her down. There
just comes a moment when a person catches me and says, listen, you are being called in for questioning tomorrow, let's say, our most important place in our city.
The cops, he says, know, they're on your side, but I ask, what do I have to do with it, that is, I'm being called in on matters that are not connected with either my friend or my accountant, but he just gave her a hard time, she took part in some business there, and I have a dilemma, Or should I come in and say, excuse me, I'm in a drop situation here, I don't know anything, do what you want. But specifically the accountant, with whom I have a good relationship, and her company, who cooperated with my company, yes, they will charge all sorts of crap, and there we are talking about millions.
At the same time, I was surprised by the indifference of the main customer, about whom the interrogation was held, the amount of losses there was much greater. It seemed that he sent so much to the cops that they didn't care what I would bear, and it was very interesting in what. The interrogation lasted four hours, that is, roughly speaking, there were several cops who controlled the SABEP process.
At the same time, they were once again on my side, of course, they did not say that they were on my side, but I understood that they were on my side. There was a tax officer, she drove me for four hours on all the questions. After that, I slept twelve hours.
I had to use all my intellect when they asked me where the construction was going on in such and such a place, I remembered that I was there in life, I was just in life, how the floor was arranged there, what kind of doors were there, who could be held accountable, I was spinning like ears on a frying pan, well, it worked, it worked. It was the hardest interrogation in my life, everything was fine for everyone. And I can even answer a very funny question, how much did I earn from this.
How much do you think, Sergey? Not at all. Not at all. Not at all. Well, the accountant had to be saved, so my conscience is clear in this regard.

Job search on the
Fraudster forums:
The next section is Search for partners, job search and offer.
A Russian person is arranged in such a way that he looks for a job when he is in complete trouble, that is, when he is completely in debt, there is nothing to eat, and he needs at least 500 or 1000 rubles in advance. Of course, such a person is unreliable. FSB officers call such a person an initsiativnik, that is, someone who came and proactively offered his services to the FSB. In this case, if a person says that I can be a drop, issue cards in my name.
Of course, there is a high probability that he will try to steal money. But there are truly desperate people. But my observation experience, I'm looking for a job, I'll give a job, it rather suggests that all this is crap, and it's better to contact the droppers. Those who sell cards, and they, who are engaged in bookmakers, droppers supply drops, it is more reliable and more accurate.
I would not get involved with this section.

Document scans
Fraudster:
The documents section is in great demand and under the word "documents" there is mainly the sale of scans.
Scan used, which is already involved in Kiev, in Yandex, in Mexican offices on crypto exchanges it costs 1 2 dollars often it can be begged for free not one scan say 10 20 30 points generally virgin it is 10 15 dollars Russian passport Russian where a person stands with a passport near the face several and moreover several photos everything is clear that is when everything fits but again how will you check a lot of arbitrations when a person buys 100 scans starts to check them and this is a lot of time your topic somewhere to verify them yes the seller of scans he does not know where the previous buyer took the scans they have an innumerable amount that is there tens hundreds of thousands I do not know how their accounting and control is arranged If necessary, you can beg them for free, but if you are engaged professionally, here you need to read reviews.
That is, each seller of scans, for example, Trofim, Alinochka - these are key figures in the sale of scans. Take, if the same Dark Money. You need to sit down and read what the person writes, that I took for the poker theme, there 10-20% was cut off, that is, you understand how many scans you will basically do.
Accordingly, you should be frank with these people when buying scans, why you take them, because they still, according to some of their parameters, picked up unused ones. Also, the documents section includes the registration of all sorts of diplomas, rights.
Sometimes in this section there is both the production and re-gluing of passports. But not the production, but the competent re-gluing of passports. Such a well-known figure Anton Chigurin is engaged in re-gluing passports. He was kicked out of Darkmoney, in my opinion, he lives on the breakthrough on the duplicate, but this, again, is information from six months ago, now it could have changed.
The person is harmful, evil, but he does his job, and in general you can send him money.

Pavlovich:
Ukrainian passport at one time, I just don't know, now modern passports. Here is their internal passport, it is like the old Soviet one, the page is not laminated and you can easily re-glue the photo without any problems at all. There is just a color photo and a round stamp touching one of the corners of the photo. That is, even I would re-glue such a passport quite carefully and in ultraviolet light it would not be very noticeable and the remains of the glue would still be visible.

Fraudster:
It depends on what the passport is. Showing your passport on the train is one thing. Showing your passport at the bank is another.

Pavlovich:
At Sberbank with a Belarusian passport. I go there to change 1000 dollars, for example. They leaf through almost every page of the passport for about four minutes under ultraviolet light. I think, my God, I don't know, I didn't come there to take out a loan for 3 million dollars. Why are you telling me? I brought you money, just change it, don't waste my 5 minutes.

Fraudster:
There is a regular user of the passport, then he has some numbers in the Nick, I don't remember them exactly, he sells literally arrays of passports that were lost there, namely the forms themselves. Well, for example, a passport that was lost 5 years ago, 3, which is clearly not valid, but the book itself is there and, for example, you can present it somewhere some kind of minimum, figuratively speaking, on the train there, yes, often even the face is possible, you can
even not re-stick the photo, therefore, for example, you can receive passports, some kind of parcels in someone else's name, well, that is, such a thing that is not punched and the price of such former but no longer invalid passports is roughly one and a half thousand rubles. By the way, I even think that there is no liability for using such a passport when receiving a parcel, but again, my assumption.

Pavlovich:
Well, it depends on what's in there. If it's your parcel, then okay. But if you just, I know, my passport is re-glued to my neighbor, I came and stole his valuable thing. Then, of course, that's already fraud. It would be forgery of documents. Well, not fraud, but theft.

Fraudster:
Then the 327th would be for forged documents, and, accordingly, the 158th, if he stole, or the 159th, if he did it more cunningly. Take note, guys. So, they also sell plushies there. Plushies are licenses. They cost, roughly speaking, 10-15 thousand there. And why are they called that? Where this name comes from, I don't know. But plushies are a properly selected license with your photo.
That is, when they scan some person, well, just your face instead of him. I can't say... That is, these are re-glued licenses, in essence, right? This is a newly made license with your photo, but the license is real.

Pavlovich:
But the last name will be different, naturally, date of birth, etc. Yes.

Fraudster:
Just your photo. Yes.

Pavlovich:
15 thousand rubles.

Fraudster:
That is, it turns out that it is being beaten by the traffic police on the computer, but I don’t know whether the face is being scanned or not. That is, I wouldn’t do such nonsense, take risks. It’s just that, I repeat, you can get such licenses.

Speaker?:
Parcels.

Fraudster:
Here. That is, for things like this.

Pavlovich:
Or buying vodka in a store.

Fraudster:
In general, the documentary section can be supplemented with all sorts of diplomas. Moreover, there are a huge number of eccentrics who want to get a diploma with wiring for 50-60 thousand rubles. The most interesting thing, I’ll say, is that it is possible. I recently took on such an order because I asked my close people. And I had to delve into this topic. And he told me something, that it costs sixty thousand.
The cost price was sixty thousand, and the university closed in 2012. Before the university closed, the teachers saved a certain number of forms for the library, diploma forms, and a certain number of sheets where students could be entered. That is, theoretically, they enter everything everywhere, you provide childhood photos when you went to study at 18.
That is, the cost price was really low. And as I understood it, theoretically, such a service costs 1250.

Pavlovich:
Well, I saw, they did it for 200, there was a list of several universities, four, I think, mostly private universities, I just don’t remember.

Fraudster:
These are also private, but really closed, which had accreditation. If someone asks, I will not answer these questions. Of course. Well, I’m just not interested. It was an accident. I accidentally got into it, it’s not mine, I’m not interested, but I found out how it’s done. Well, this concerns the documents section.

Information check
Pavlovich:
Checks.

Fraudster:
Checks can be mobile, state and for all kinds of organizations.
KUGI, that is, the Committee for State Property Management, the pension fund, that is, checking information about a person, about property, about cars, about his movements, you can check everything and the police are in charge of checking, because only they can instantly get information.

Pavlovich:
And after Navalny, how did this market change? They were simply shaken by all these forms and all these sellers and even, I read, criminal cases were opened against the employees of the operators who checked and many others and against the police officers.

Fraudster:
Including as far as I have read, I have read now without having 100% information, but at first they took some people, but in fact, for Navalny, literally recently, 2 or 3 months ago, they took completely different people, that is
, they came to others. I think that a fairly large number of police officers are engaged in checking, Medvedev raised their salaries or something, in 2012, a lieutenant received 34 thousand, and, in my opinion, their salaries have not increased much. That is, all checks are still through the authorities. And, as I said at the beginning of the previous issue, the position of moderator allows you to filter people who write and say "I can do checks on this, this and this."
The moderator makes a test order when he knows exactly what the result is. And if he sees that the result is correct, accordingly, he allows this puncher to work. But, let's say you are some employee, it doesn't matter what, the authorities or some government agency, you sit at work from 9 to 17, you have your own affairs. And there may be orders, and you, excuse me, are not online. Therefore, the moderator, having received all this information, he doubles or triples the price tag on this person's prices and offers without a twinge of conscience.
I think this is a reliable option to contact the moderator. He posts an ad on his behalf. Yes, all these ads with exorbitant prices hang, but this is a person who will communicate with you online, he will simply ask further. And as I said in one of the topics, when I really needed the service of punching bank accounts, I conducted a test, i.e.
I wrote to probably 20 people on different forums, got a range of prices, the minimum was 300 rubles for checking an account, the maximum was 2800 for the same service.
And I did a test check of one of my friends, who had a card from a very amazing bank, a rare one, and when I saw in the check that it was there, I realized that in front of me was a person who knows his business, and I probably worked with him for a year, and the price was unchanged - 300 rubles, in the morning I gave the task, in the evening I did it, as before, the average price on the sites was 1.5 thousand for the same service. Well, and in general, a fan of asking some questions and getting some kind of market assessment. That's it. That's about checks, probably, all this. Yes, you should know that by requesting a check, you are a criminal. That is ...
Criminal liability. Yes, of course. That is, you are unauthorizedly interfering in private life. Accordingly, if you will trump this, well, that is, for example, they send you a photo of this check, and you go there and trump this. And the one who found it will suffer, and you will suffer. You have to have a head if you do this.
Collection agencies do checks, but they have a separate price tag there.

Pavlovich:
You can do the simplest check yourself. Get into the eye of God. Just collect what you will google for a day or two, collect it simply within five minutes - this is the most basic check for you. And since he searches through open sources, there will be no criminal liability for this, naturally.

Fraudster:
In life, you can always do checks yourself initially, especially some of your counterparties, I will speak for myself.

Pavlovich:
Basically, women check.

Fraudster:
If I start communicating with a person, a woman, how did they somehow pin you down, a person or a woman, In the 16th or 17th century there was a church council in Europe, which decided the question of whether a woman was a person or the spawn of the devil. When communicating with a new counterparty on some matters, if I know the last name, patronymic, date of birth, I always go to the bailiffs' council.
If there is something there, then you can look up the problem on the court's website by the case number, what the amounts are, and somehow get a deeper idea of the person. If there is nothing on the bailiffs' website, but there is a fairly careful person in front of you, and you should also take note of this. This is an elementary run.

Selling accounts
Fraudster:
Many sites have a section for selling all kinds of accounts, admin panels.
But I, unfortunately, am inexperienced in this matter and will not be able to give full information.

Pavlovich:
Yes, but I had one boy in a wheelchair from Belarus. He brute-forced these accounts, AliExpress, made these refunds and so on. He brute-forced it on the BHF forum, they somehow leaked this forum admin panel, or the garbage initially ran this forum, and in the end, with his IP address, he was beautifully exposed and they came to him, opened a criminal case, but then remember, it was actually closed, but he was lucky, you could say.
Here are your accounts, in other people's accounts, even the most trivial ones like Steam, AliExpress and others, there is no point in getting into them from your IPs for sure.

Clothing market
Fraudster:
Next come the sections that were of no interest to me, that is, for work, but I was forced to look through them. This is something like a clothing market, that is, who offers what. They offer a wide variety of things, from promo codes for Yandex.Food to cigarettes, alcohol, some things, some incomprehensible sneakers, discounts at Sportmaster, that is, there is a whole hodgepodge there.
I did not participate in this, but if you are interested in saving something somewhere, you can dig around. This is basically on every forum, that is, there is a seller on Duplicate, he is usually on Probiv, he is also on the same Darkman.

Pavlovich:
Well, they often have Telegram bots, I saw entire services for discounts, barcodes of cards, bonus Magnit, Pyaterka and so on, then Sportmaster discounts are taken out to separate bots, it is convenient in the bot that it is structured by menu.

Arbitration on forums. Complaints and dispute resolution.
Fraudster:
I don’t even know whether this section is moderated or not, because this section is not financial. Next we come to the most curious section, because usually a competent user of forums, this section certainly does not skip, but reads. The section is called arbitration, it is on every forum. In essence, complaints, right? Complaints, analysis of the situation and complaints about being cheated, that such and such a scoundrel did this, that, ban him.
Let me say right away, just as a person, not as a forum user, I am always irritated by this programmer's gadget, when it is not clear why they do not tweak such an option, why the person is banned.
That is, the person is banned, for example, for not showing up for arbitration, or cheating for a million, or simply blurting out something in arbitration, or asking....

Pavlovich:
Yes, you will have to reread half the forum to understand where what, what the screw-up was.

Fraudster:
Yes. That is, what happened to the person? That is, I really do not know why they do not tweak this option, it would seem simple. This means that in arbitration you can see the current life of the forum, the amounts, how the form lives, what problems. Reading arbitrations is very exciting, but it would be a full-fledged story for an hour or two, I will not do this. I will only say that I participated in arbitrations several times as a plaintiff and several times as a defendant.
It was funny when the same arbitrator was sorting you out, he doesn't know that you are one person, and you are in one legal correspondence with him in a personal message, and in another he kind of drives you away like a bad person. Arbitration on all sites is a long thing, really long, that is, it can last a month, two.
Often, claims for more than one million are considered, but if a person left with a million or two or three, went into the sunset, after all, we are talking more about banning this person, well, that is, not about collecting this money, because the deposit is usually 100, 200, 300 thousand.

Pavlovich:
By the way, I couldn't, I participated in one arbitration, there was a thousand dollars, and I couldn't even prove, well, despite all my authority, yes, fame in these circles, I couldn't prove that I was screwed, I think, only because, in short, the seller couldn't prove that it was like this and I couldn't prove the force of certain reasons that it was like this, that is, we had an absolutely equal
position, he couldn't provide anything and I couldn't prove the force of certain technical points and I used such arguments, but you already understand who and there a thousand dollars for me is more time I spend with you now and more money I lose in correspondence with you, I just wouldn't raise this issue if the truth really wasn't on my side, and despite this I didn't win, and I think that they just screwed me, in fact, a certain administration
of this forum sanctioned it.

Fraudster:
Possibly. In general, arbitration is a very fascinating read, but since I have read many, many of these arbitrations again, so as not to delay our viewers, I will simply say that this is the most fascinating section, and if you live the life of the forum, you are obliged to look into the arbitrations to understand what is happening and whether your counterparty has cheated at the moment, at this minute.

Famous personalities on the forums
Pavlovich:
Well, and I think, finally, we should go over familiar characters from forums, yes, because I'm not very friendly with forums, I've already explained to you many times why, because at the dawn, that is, at the beginning of my channel, I registered on many forums specifically and, well, posted my videos, since they know me there, this basically helped the growth of the channel, they already knew me because of the book, and some forums allowed me to do this, now I've already given up on this, but now I'll put my assistant in jail again, he will do this.
And some especially malicious ones, some kind of nerdy Antichat, they simply deleted my account and blocked me, and after that I'm not really friends with them, but nevertheless I know certain iconic people on each forum, more or less. Here is Vasya 80, who we had, he now has his own forum, and before that he lived on Probiv, for example, but still time has passed and most of them, I basically don’t know who is now, where, on what forums, what stars and what they are known for.

Fraudster:
I’ll try to tell the story of the main iconic characters, familiar to me forums. Well, Khava, of course, Probiv is the owner there. I agree, I’ll start with the fact that almost a year ago in December, the publication “Insider” published information about the forum “DarkMoney”. This publication indicated three real people who are behind this forum.
I saw the movement that began immediately. What was the essence of the movement? You all know about the article, it entails changes in the work of the forum, and excuse me, but I, I and I are forced to leave the forum. Well, that means that the publication “Insider”
gave absolutely correct information, who is the owner of the forum and, well, basically, revealed all the cards. Were there nicknames or surnames as well? Surname, names of residents of the city of Moscow, dates of birth, that is, age, that's it. Of these three people, only one of them did not hide himself, in principle, from the beginning. I'll start with the main moderator of the forum, whom everyone knows, Luca Brasi.
Those who watched "The Godfather" can remember this character. In fact, Luca Brasi is a good programmer who did not get involved in shadow affairs, and when his people tried to involve him as an arbitrator in some situation where it was necessary to find out who is right and wrong specifically in crime, he often stepped aside and the forum was left to its own devices, but everything worked. Luca Brazik was one of those about whom this article was written.
So, the second significant person, let's call him the brain of this forum, the most respected person, is Night Flight, that is, night flight. This person, for some reason, decided not to hide who he is. This is the founder of the Delta-Key payment system, he is currently serving a long-term prison sentence, but as he writes, on a fabricated charge.
If you go to his nickname on the forum and just copy his message, here's what he wrote, it's a textbook, it's a real textbook of life, cashing out, life stories, behavior, legal behavior. That is, if you're involved in this area, you need to do this.
The next important characters who participate in the life of not only this forum are guarantors, and they were guarantors not only on Darkman, but on the same duplicate and on similar small forums of a shadow orientation. These are Guarantor Lemmy and Guarantor Ophelia. I don't know why female names were chosen, whether they are women. But these are iconic characters, and if you mention this name somewhere in a conversation, and the person understands you, it means that this person is from the dark theme.
As far as I can remember, they have always been there, there are no screw-ups behind them, that is, they are guarantors who can be trusted. As I said, I assume that they are in the Novosibirsk-Krasnoyarsk time zone, that is, the time difference with Moscow is minus four hours.
I think many bad people would give a lot to know where they are in order to seize the money of the forum, forums, and so on. There is one unusual and very authoritative member of the forum, his name is Audi. What does he not do, he is present on all forums, on the same duplicate he is a moderator, he has good positions on Darkman.
The point is that he is a wealthy person, he does everything, there is an exchanger. Talking about him, I remember one situation that surprised many on the forum. For some reason, he decided to pull in some guy Nick to work, whom he liked, who behaves sensibly, considers arbitrations well and is generally a competent person.
They started working together, they had a very solid capital from their joint work, and then some incomprehensible situation happened, and this guy had a conflict, he was forced out and they came to his home to sort it out and filmed it.
And the forum saw that the same arbitrator who gets involved in million-dollar cases of stolen money, where people's lives are decided and broken for many years, that is, in the event of some kind of screw-up, was some 18-20-year-old nondescript fat man of mama's appearance, who, when he was run over in the entrance, ran hand in hand with his mother to the police to write a statement.
That is, there was some discrepancy, the seriousness of the work. Interest. Yes. That is, the forum was shocked and the situation was sorted out for a long time. Audi, I think, did not pay some large sum of money to this guy. The bills, I think, were about 100 thousand dollars or something. Well, that is, a fairly large sum. But this is exactly how this plump man looked outwardly. Nothing.
And at the same time, the fact that he ruled in arbitrations caused, in general, a misunderstanding. A very iconic character for this forum, who is now absent, and whom no one will ever see there again, his nickname is hooligan. So, his... Not you years old, and whom no one will ever see there again. No. Everyone knows his first and last name. This is Yaroslav Kubaev.
A very desperate, daring guy who lived a very cool life. One of the few who tried to punish people who offended him, threw people who turned him in, and who, according to some of his strange ideas, tried to enter into confrontation with the system. He studied as part of a group, went to travel agencies, personal accounts, and bought railway tickets with the help of points from the railway.
And after that, the drop went to the box office, and this ticket was handed in, received money. Previously, this was possible, now the railway has closed it. Well, they stole several tens of millions of rubles, they were followed, and the person who investigated his case was from the Moscow region, Lieutenant Colonel Shishkina.

Pavlovich:
And who was killed, right, recently?

Fraudster:
He ordered, according to the investigation, in 2018, he ordered the murder of Shishkina through one of the drug trafficking forums.

Pavlovich:
And it was carried out, right?

Fraudster:
Now I'll tell you how it was, so he paid about a million rubles for this case, hired two minors.

Pavlovich:
Some kind of laughable money, to be honest.

Fraudster:
He found a 16-year-old visitor to a drug forum in St. Petersburg, promised money, he brought in his non-Russian friend, he came to the Moscow region, the first time he couldn't carry out the murder, and the second time he shot the investigator. And then the opinions are contradictory, contradictory.
But it seems that the crime was not solved, they shot, in my opinion, in October, and they were accepted in March, because the schoolboy started telling at school that he was a cool person and almost a school teacher went to the police, but there is such an opinion, that is, I repeat, they shot in October, they were accepted in March and by analyzing the correspondence, that this Yaroslav Sumbayev used his email, which was involved in some other shady deals, he was identified, he ran away to Georgia and was extradited from there.
I was in correspondence with him, probably six or seven years ago. Healthy, literate, daring, he really punished, that is, paid money so that, for example, someone who testified against him, this person would be attacked with knives. That is, he is a very dangerous guy, but daring, daring, And as I understand it, for the murder of investigator Shishkina he will most likely receive a life sentence, and I think that he will not appear anywhere else.
Another daring, but economically minded forum member who stopped using this nickname three or four years ago, Lat T, this person, I don’t know his exact ancestry
classes, but once he started a dispute on the forum with another fairly wealthy person, who can now show with proof how much cash each has. And there was a famous photo on the couch of a pile of five-thousand rubles in packs. Someone was not lazy, counted, they counted, in my opinion, 28 million.
He had good authority, wonderful, he was engaged in cashing out money, but at one fine moment, having spent, as he later described the situation himself, having spent the entire amount of money, because they go away quickly, and it is not a fact that these 28 million were his, he sold his account for 1 million rubles, sold it to normal people, they were supposed to be engaged in cashing out, but in fact this is a difficult business, not every newbie can do it, And, having sat without an order for some time, a month, two or three, they decided to take the first one they came across, well, who will pour money into him, and merge.
And, to the viscous surprise of the forum, normal Nick Latte, everyone thought that he was after him, he did not say that he sold. Suddenly turned out to be a scammer, that is, there was a discrepancy. Blimey, you were turning over tens of millions of rubles there, and then you leave, roughly speaking, for a million, for one and a half. What's the point?
And so he flowed out, announced the situation, like, so, I sold. Most likely, he is present somewhere, under what nickname, I do not know, I will not guess, but I just gave an example that there were times when this shadow activity on cashing brought tens of millions of rubles, and he really demonstrated them. I will also tell you that there was a significant seller of debit cards, who, with competent sales, crawled like a spider, like a web, who developed, captured a significant part of the forum for the sale of cards.
His nickname "Bankman", as I already said in one of the issues, he died. I don't know the reasons for his death, there were different versions. I estimated his market from 500 to 1000 cards per month, that is, if a person has 3-5 thousand rubles from a card, accordingly, his income was 1.5-2, or even more million rubles per month.
Based on the versions that flashed in the comments under my other video, there is an opinion that money ruined him, in the sense that he died from a good life. The next significant character for the three-letter forum consists of SMD.
The man was engaged in the restoration of SIM cards, had a good deposit. At one point, he figured out such a trick as the ability to block Telegram channels for the purpose of blackmail. That is, the man has a business in Telegram, and thanks to his actions, the business is knocked out. The first business that he killed along the way was a banker's business.
Most likely, it was a complaint to Telegram support. Most likely, this is, again, my version, about some kind of child pornography and something like that. The fact that they block it first, because the complaint must be substantiated, exactly how it looks technically, I don't know. But he really managed, firstly, to block it all, and secondly, to sell this service.
For the sake of interest, I wrote to him about blocking a cigarette channel. Depending on the number of subscribers, he asked from 500 to 1000 dollars, based on this I understood that the cost price was zero. I just understood that the cost price of his work was zero, this is some kind of narrow knowledge, well, when he clearly knows what he will block, but the cost price of the work itself is zero.
Yes, he killed the business of the banker then, he squealed on the entire forum, threatened to punish, threatened with all kinds of punishments. Let's, he says, voice in the press that there is such a danger that the Telegram channel is blocked, let's make a fuss, but in the end he gave in and made peace. As it turned out, he did not have backdoors, well, that is, accordingly, when the SIM channel died, he lost a huge number of clients, who often knew him only through this Telegram channel.
I don't know the current situation with blocking, but I see that silence, that is, most likely, Telegram has closed all these holes, when each person can do something. Another very interesting character is a well-known seller and a well-known arbitrator, moreover, an arbitrator in the entire shadow market, known for debit cards, his nickname is Fedotov.
This is, as he describes himself, an intelligent person of about 32 years old, but he described this 10 years ago, accordingly, he is not young. And under the comment under one of the videos there was a question mark Fedotov "Is it me?" No, it's not me. Fedotov is famous for the fact that in the eyes of debit buyers, he makes excuses for scammers who were scammed and finds all sorts of ways to justify debit card sellers.
He himself sells cards, sells them expensively. To buy cards, you need to pay 30-40 thousand rubles for them, but at the same time they are bought from the most ordinary people. That is, they are not golden, he thinks that he filters them competently. I know the nuances when money was stolen from him, I know the specifics, but he smoothed everything over, respectively, an uncaught thief, let's assume that he works well.
This is an arbitrator, this is a very tedious arbitrator, and often, when a person files an arbitration, anyone writes, but Fedotov. This can drag on for 3-4 months, there will be the most ridiculous excuses, when the plaintiff, who is clearly right, is simply shocked. But I cannot reproach Fedotov for any dishonesty.
I also think that if you have shown yourself well on shadow forums, some customer will definitely appear not from the forum, with normal, conditionally white activity, you simply do not need sales on forums. Most likely, Fedotov has a normal income with his activities, and appears on forums only because the authority worked in a timely manner. Another habit, for fun, that is, it is a way of life, a certain lifestyle. This is again my opinion. There is a local forum chatterbox who hangs around all the forums, but it seems that he is performing.
His nickname is Barvikha, he has a huge number of messages, he tells everyone in a row, he acts as a jester, but I will repeat this opinion that he performs why I don’t know, this is again my opinion, again under one of the comments they wrote the word barvikha, a question mark, no, it’s not me, a very-very-very serious member
of DaVinci is a detective agency that takes on orders only with a very wild budget, that is, according to the overwhelming majority of forum members and in general, just citizens who want to contact him, it is not affordable. I saw arbitrations on Dovinci, for example, there was arbitration on a duplicate, when he was asked to cover up people for drug trafficking, and the price tag was something like 100 thousand dollars, or 200 thousand dollars.
I will not go into the twists and turns of this arbitration, but for most people, DaVinci services are very expensive. And 2-3 years ago, when the eye of God was just starting to spin up, there was an opinion that it was DaVinci's production, that is, he actively promoted it in his, let's say, blog on DarkMoney and on other sites, that there is such a bot, check it out.
It was free then.

Pavlovich:
According to Antipov, they came to him for the first time, that's why they came to him for the first time. Namely, because he was positioned under the auspices of DaVinci. You know, somewhere DaVinci sawed off their nickel where it was needed, and came to Antipov first of all.

Fraudster:
Maybe you don't know, but the organization is, let's say, serious, with a lot of resources. That is, I can never afford it, we don't cross paths, thank God.

Pavlovich:
We crossed paths with me once, you know that story, when special forces were sent to my first meeting of subscribers in Moscow. And in the end they just handed out business cards to VINCH. And a week before that they wrote to me, wanted to buy advertising in the channel, I announced the price to them. For them it was not significant at all, maybe one and a half or two thousand dollars, I had the prices at that time, but they decided that why pay 2000 dollars there if we can send
special forces for 50 thousand there or for 30, this joke, hand out business cards, this will get into all the channels and to his channel, well, that is, such a PR move is clever enough, I admit, smart, intelligent and even scared me a little for a few split seconds, because I took everything that was happening seriously, because I knew that neither I nor my friend, with whom we organized the party, called the special forces.
So I remember it with warmth, by the way, great.

Fraudster:
The next good character, I mean a competent, normal person, is Royal Bank. The man has a bunch, a bunch, a bunch of services, that is, from intercepting, say, mail to cashing cards. I contacted him, and I had good impressions. This Royal Bank, which is now present on the site, conducts training practices, and on the DarkMoney site there are two interviews with an employee of the Sber security service.
Sber, there are either 50 questions or 60 that literally chew on how Sber's artificial intelligence works now, its fraud systems and the like. By the way, I'm sure that only 5-10% read this text, although the training material is super and the fact that he was able to drag an employee to such a private interview, This is a huge respect to him.
I'll tell you. Komrakov. This is the same... He is a well-known pusher, even I know. He is a good moderator, a fairly sane person who took this position when everyone comes to him for verification, and he filters out the chaff, takes the best and resells their services.
Good business, I have nothing against it. That is, accordingly, if there is no time to look for cheaper, you can safely contact Komrakov, in my opinion, he grew into this area from something harmless, I'm afraid to be mistaken, selling liskans, well, something like that, just about nothing, that is, he sat quietly, outspent, now an authoritative person and it seems that he is just a normal person, I recommend on any site, if this is really Komrakov,
that is, you can kind of check with another site, there see if it is the same cart or not, contact him expensive yes he will do everything and there will be no problems and I will also tell you, let's say, about the Ukrainian representative, his nickname is a super specialist for 8 years, he sells debit cards of Ukraine on dark money, he has a bunch of deals through the guarantor and at the same time
the most worthless reputation in general, like Balabola, Jester, well, that is, they constantly laugh at him, for some reason he is not in honor of either the moderator, well, and in general, the Ukrainian theme of selling Ukrainian goods did not go well on Russian sites. As I understand it, there is no need for Ukrainian cards in Russia, this is my IMHO, my assumption, but this is the most famous person who works in Ukraine, here.
I will also tell you about a very competent person. If you work in the financial sector, not even on the black side, but on the white side, his nickname is businesslike. I think he has about 600 messages, and I evaluate each of his messages, but not as a pearl, but something like that.
He is a very competent specialist. Unfortunately, I understand that he is a fraudster, because I communicated with him in private messages, and I roughly understand his level and what he does. But when he explains, answers some questions that arise on the forum, it is simply brilliant.
That is, I repeat, if you work in the financial sector, take, look at his messages in a separate folder, analyze him, he is a specialist and the last person I want to talk about, his nickname is local in the dark theme, everyone knows him, he is a thunderstorm, he scammed, but the ex, as I understand it, was some very young boy of about 16, this was, say, about 8 years ago, who got involved in the dark theme, there is an opinion that he is from Bashkiria.
In general, having joined the dark-theme, he began to identify scammers on his own initiative and identify them in some way, using the principle of the eye of God from open sources. That is, he simply types in Yandex the nickname of the mail, telegram, any information, somehow looks at it, accumulates it in his head, looks at all the sites.
He managed to identify a large number of scammers. Having received a reputation, he was allowed into the admin panel, allowed to multi-catching, when he could catch people who have many accounts. That is, your account did something bad, but you have other open accounts, that is, he found them, blocked them.
In my case, he blocked probably ten accounts. I do not hold a grudge against him, this is his job. He was a thunderstorm of scammers, but like all thunderstorms of scammers, how did he end up? - He did not become a scammer. — He decided to play around, as far as I understand, with crypto. It’s just that our Russian people confuse it. Groza was throwing that he was an authority on the forum with an authority in cryptocurrency.
As far as I understood, he was trusted with some large sum of money, that is, he said that he was engaged in investments in crypto. I can’t say what amount it was, 100 thousand dollars, 200 or 300, but they trusted him based on his authority on the forum. And it seems that he simply didn’t go to them, then he just stupidly went broke. Having a bad character, that is, he didn’t respond to messages in time, kept silent.
Well, understand yourself, you gave me 10 million, I’m going broke, you just ask me, worry about what, how, and I answer there once a week. They banned. But, I repeat, he was such an iconic character, Groza was throwing. I don’t know who is replacing him now. And whether he is replacing him.

Which forums can be trusted
Fraudster:
In summary, I quickly ran through the forums, Probiv, Duplicate, WWH, Darkmoney, new flashers, Darkmarket, Tenek-CC, BDF, Navigator.
All these forums deserve a certain and quite large trust. If you want to conduct some kind of transaction through a guarantor, go to large forums, you will lose more money on the guarantee. If you want to buy something, just soberly evaluate the reviews of sellers.
That is, do not take from new regs, read who wrote what. But now my subjective opinion, there are no scam forums that I listed, all these forums deserve complete trust. I would boldly work through any of them, but simply If the amount, for example, goes off the scale over 100 thousand, then not through the navigator, but through, for example, a duplicate, where the transaction through the guarantor is cheaper.
If you need verifications on Darkmoney, then on Darkmoney. Something like that.

The Future of Forums
Pavlovich:
And don't forget that most of the services and services provided by and on these forums are illegal. That is, you risk losing your freedom sometimes and for a long time. And what do you think is the future of all these criminal Russian-language forums?

Fraudster:
First. If we take general sociology, forums are dying in principle. That is, people are tired of communicating as a forum and in principle it is dying. The number of the same members on Darkmoney in 2016-2013 was greater. Now only, let's call it, professionals remain. As I already said, your cybergrandfather, who came to you here, says this word synchronization, that is, when there are cameras everywhere, when everything is analyzed, every step, and even after a year, the camera finally counts who stole something and filmed something somewhere.
I think that in the coming years, these offline operations will become very complicated, economically unprofitable, they will be planted. I think that forums will die in some time.

Pavlovich:
But the need for some kind of transactions still remains, right? Maybe they will switch to Telegram, like half of them have already switched now.

Fraudster:
Certain Telegram chats... They all have their own Telegram channels, Telegram chats. I can't say. I just want to say that a significant portion of people who are offline will be jailed, and yet there are a huge number of Internet users on the forum, he sits in his apartment and he himself will not run to the ATM. Based on the number of deposits that he pours there, while the criminal market is on the rise.
I am leaning towards the cybergrandfather, who with such calm, inexorable determination and confidence says that they will put him in jail, synchronization there, don't worry, they will come for you in a year, in two, it's a matter of time. I am leaning towards absolutely white activity. Sergey has a huge number of guests on the channel who prove that you can sit without a mask.
Something like that.

Who is the owner of DARKMONEY
Pavlovich:
And the last question. Why are we talking so much about Darkmoney? Are you the owner of Darkmoney?

Fraudster:
No, categorically not. I'm not pulling. No, no, no. I don't know who owns Darkmoney. And by the way, I'm inclined to think that even the secret services don't have a special relationship with it. Well, that's how it is. I'm not the owner of Darkmoney, and I wouldn't want to be. I've done some bad things, let's say, but my losers have always been people who robbed someone.
Specifically, the entire forum is built on the fact that they cash out stolen money from, let's say, ordinary people, ordinary organizations. These are tears, these are broken deals, there, broken lives. That is, I was in a situation when my apartment was robbed. And I've also seen apartments when they are robbed by a thief. That is, when everything is turned upside down for you.
Well, that is, let's call it that, I'm a conditionally honest person. That is, if I were in the shoes of the owner of Dark Money, I would be playing someone else's role.

Results
Pavlovich:
This is the episode, friends. I hope you liked our history of shadow forums. From their beginning, well, then there were carding, hacking, which I was on. There was Carder.org, then Carder.su, CarderPlanet, there were a whole bunch of them, Mazafaka and all the rest, Verif, etc., etc. and here are some of them, some have long since sunk into oblivion and here we went through the main shadow forums. Please do not forget that the activities of most of them, in principle all of them, are illegal and if you do something there, then I hope it is purely for informational purposes for writing some book like mine, which, by the way, does not need advertising, It sells well on my site, link in the description. Thank you. Be sure to share the episode with your friends, subscribe to the channel. There is still a lot, a lot of interesting things ahead. Hugs. Bye.