How long do drops live? Confession of a dropper.

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CONFESSION OF A DROPPER.

Sergey Pavlovich talked to a guest in a mask, who is a dropper.

How he got into this sphere, how he found his first drops, opened an office and sold 20 drops a day, how much drops and dropper operators earn, what drops are most often taken for, what are the difficulties in the work of a dropper - about this and much more in this interview.

Enjoy reading!

Contents:

• Introduction
• How did you become a dropshipper?
• What does easy money smell like?
• How does drop registration work?
• Where to look for drops?
• About the stupidity of drops
• As agreed with the operators
• Where did you get so many drops?
• How to verify your account?
• What did they do with the drops that didn't understand how to pass verification?
• Sergey about the funniest verification
• Is age important for a drop farmer?
• Do they charge for verification?
• How do drops assert their rights?
• About the drops that were registered earlier
• What kind of people should you avoid?
• Why do we need PPS?
• How did you call the police?
• What do fork bettors do in the hope of easy profit?
• How often do drops get lost?
• Why does the guest talk about work in the past tense?
• About drops that ask for more
• The coolest video verification
• How did the salt arrive?
• What is drop farming for a guest?
• Do you need an extension?
• Is the market big?
• Blitz
• Results

Introduction
Pavlovich:
Hello friends, today we will talk about drop breeding, because drops are used everywhere, drops are used for bookmakers, for online casinos probably too, for casinos, in general for all sorts of payment systems, pioneers, revolutions, appons and for everything else, and now the task is where to get a lot of drops for the same casino, for example, or for a bull, and now we will talk with a representative of the drop breeding profession.
By the way, it does not happen that often, it requires certain organizational skills, so if you are faced with the task of where to get a lot of people, there are marginals or not marginals, it does not matter who, for some topic related to the bookmaker, casino, crypto, watch the episode, learn and maybe get some experience, or maybe you will speak out in the comments and tell some of your cases.

How did you become a drop breeder?
Pavlovich:
How did you get into this field and how long ago?

Dropper (dropovod, dropmaster, drop service):
Initially, I was far from this whole world. Rates, drops, and so on. Back in 21, I had a friend. Really far away. For me, yes. I had a friend who was actively involved in surebets at that time. And one day he asked me to give him a ride in the car to the area before his current drop. He had a manual drop from the city with which he dealt with offshore bookmakers. Offshore offices, such as 1XBET and its analogues. That is, they are not officially registered in the CUPIS.
And I went, took him, looked at what he was doing. He was taking pictures against the wall with a piece of paper. On the way back, I asked what it was all about. He said it was checks. And after some time, I ended up in a company with this person, only this time to his friends. And they were discussing the issue of... The issue was precisely about drops. They were buying drops in some place, and there was no way to buy more than they needed. And they somehow brought it up out loud. I asked how much it cost, how much you buy.
They stated the price. I said that if I could do it myself, let's say...

Pavlovich:
What was it? One and a half, two, three thousand?

Dropper:
No, at that time it was four thousand per shot. In '21, at the very beginning. They stated the price as four thousand. I said, asked the conditions, what was needed for this, what kind of photos, age, gender. They said that they needed men more, 30-35 to 40 on average, that's all. At the place of work where I worked then, I had acquaintances, I talked to them, offered, in one day I made four people, sent photos, passport details of these people.
The guys liked it. And from that moment, let's say, I started looking in that direction.

Pavlovich:
I didn't work at the plant anymore.

Dropper:
Yes, I understood what easy money smells like, because, roughly speaking, I made a pretty good sum in a day at that time from my main income.

What does easy money smell like?
Pavlovich:
And what does easy money smell like? Because I open, for example, a new pack of dollars and I, for example, smell the new dollars. I remember it especially well.

Dropper:
Money that comes easily is not very easy to spend. That is, I, at least, understood this for myself, because the money that you earn with labor, you treat it a little differently than the money that comes easily. Later, when we already started to put all this on track, we had completely different money in terms of volume. I spent this money, let's say, not in vain, but there were moments when you could spend it without thinking. Because you understand that in a day you can make about the same tomorrow.
So you kind of don't worry about it too much. Nevertheless, the amounts were not too fabulous. We didn't make millions, but it got to 400 thousand a month. 400-450.

Pavlovich:
How was the money distributed? Did you have some kind of team, an office or something?

Speaker?:
Yes.

Dropper:
Initially, I started alone. Later, closer to 2022, I met my friend, the hype just started, the guys started to limit Fonbet to bonuses. There were guys who started opening drop services. We decided to open the same thing together, officially for Fonbet. If earlier we did it for offshore, then here we decided to do a full registration. A full registration includes a visit to Megafon. A
professional Kiwi wallet is made in Megafon.

Pavlovich:
Or in Svyaznoy, figuratively.

Dropper:
Or in Svyaznoy. A visit to Svyaznoy. In Svyaznoy, TSUPIS is made. TSUPIS is, let's say, a state system where players register for gambling. That is, if, playing on offshores, you do not need to register officially, then when you register on official offices, such as Fonbet, Betboom and so on, you need to legally do this procedure, take the drop either to a betting point, or to Svyaznoy,
or you could go to the banks, some bank branches had such a payment system - Contact, you could do the same through this payment system.

Pavlovich:
Well, that is, there are already more actions on your part?

Dropper:
Yes, there are already more actions. Well, and those drops that we sold specifically for Fonback, recorded, the cost reached 6 thousand. 6 thousand - this is with a Qiwi wallet professionally, 5500 without Qiwi.

Pavlovich:
500 rubles - a small surcharge for the wallet.

Dropper:
Yes, but basically everyone paid extra because no one used the same wallet, a new drop - a new wallet, Because the money was driven in on average, in order to spin the wager on the poundbet 200 thousand, it was necessary to make a minimum turnover of 200, and this money went through a Qiwi wallet. Regardless of the fact that it is professional or not, sooner or later it flew off. Therefore, no one bothered and just paid extra on average 500 rubles.

How does the registration of drops happen?
Pavlovich:
Drops, where did you get them, well, you and I work in the same workshop figuratively, at the factory, right? You come to me and say, listen, there is a topic, you need to register here and there. Of course, I will ask the first question, is it legal?

Dropper:
Exactly. Basically, everything happened according to this scenario. You explain to a person what it is, under what circumstances, he asks a question, and this is for sure, there will be no loans and so on. This is a constant question for the drop. When you run out of acquaintances, to whom you can offer yourself, then, say, the admins of work groups, WhatsApp come into play. In each city there are, say, work groups, there is an admin of these work groups. What is a work group? It is a WhatsApp group where some odd jobs are thrown, resold on VKontakte from work groups.
And people who are engaged in part-time work every day, they go to these groups, see, say, an ad "need so many people for such and such a job", for example, to unload crushed stone and so on. They see a price indicated there, they go there. They call customers, go. We had an acquaintance of the admin of these groups, who, say, for each person we paid him one amount.
About 70 percent of the people we have registered over the entire time were from WhatsApp work groups.

Pavlovich:
By the way, there is another way, Antipov recently suggested it to me in the "Eye of God", you go to a hostel, some large vest, right here near our office, there are 200 meters, and you turn on the "Eye of God" to show the geolocation of everyone nearby, and it shows you plus or minus, and the distance, it is approximate there, but quite accurate. Plus or minus you understand who is within a radius of 300 meters from you, there, in my opinion, up to 500 meters, and already by name, there, Abidzhek, there, El Buman, there, well, figuratively.
And you already understand that, most likely, these are the inhabitants of the hostel, and you can write to them directly in Telegram.

Dropper:
An important point that you need to understand, this is the main problem. This is the honesty of the drop, when you ask him if you have registered before. In most cases, all people have already registered in some offices. In most cases, it was 1xbet. If 1xbet, no big deal. But if he has ever registered in Fonbet, then such a person is automatically not suitable for us. Because we sell drops for a bonus, and if he has already, initially, registered in Fonbet, the bonus will not be credited to such an account.
This is in the best case. In the worst case, you will not even be able to log into this account, since such an account will already be. When registering with TSUPIS, you will not be able to do this.

Pavlovich:
But can you use it then as a last resort, so that the data does not disappear, there, in 1X beta, usually?

Dropper:
Yes, you can use other offices, except for Fonbet. When we worked, there was also Battery. There was Battery, Betboom, Betcity, and there was also 1X bet. 1X bet was mainly used as a donor office, with whom to welcome. Well, back then there were no such problems that happened after the New Year 2022.

Pavlovich:
But I was robbed by one of them, my relative's ekstavka, the faggot. It's a pity we didn't finish pumping this issue, but simply because. This is St. Petersburg, you have to go, lawyers, but they just stole it brazenly. I've seen such cases, on the bookmaker ratings, I've seen such cases. Well, you know, not really, well, you seem to be playing, betwinner, melbet, the amounts I had were astronomical compared to the national average. Well, you don't seem to encounter it yourself, you think, oh, what the hell.
And then bam, my relative has, how much, 170 thousand, something like that, or 150 thousand disappears. And that's exactly how they describe it to her. And you think, holy shit, what impudence. It seems like the office should actually follow the laws, but they just brazenly hammer away, and that's it.

Dropper:
Or they don't give you the money in the following way. That is, they start throwing maximum checks at you, to the point that you have to send them housing and communal services certificates and so on. And they are not even satisfied with the original certificates. They say that it is still a copy, a fake. Notary, let them certify it. Yes, a certified notary.

Pavlovich:
Send it to Lvov, like one Exback loved.

Dropper:
To Bryansk and so on. And no one wants to bother with this. Not every dropper will go to a notary to certify their documents. Because they took a photo of him somewhere in the basement with a fishing line. And after a while they ask, let's go to a notary, we go, we certify your documents, we send them somewhere. No. People generally don't do this. We have several clients who have several million on one of their bets, and they still haven't withdrawn it. This is 2021, still in the fall.
They caught verifications at some point, and that's it, the withdrawal was closed.

Pavlovich:
Only through lawyers, if...

Dropper:
Well, in short, a long chain, yes. There is no point even in going through lawyers. You can’t see it anymore.

Where does he look for drops?
Pavlovich:
Well, this is with familiar understandings there, with whom you work and so on. But you open, let’s say, an office, you need... You have a customer for a thousand drops a week, for example. The quantity is large. And where do you catch them, by what...

Dropper:
Well, a thousand is a lot, no one does that much even in a month.

Pavlovich:
Well, I’m speaking figuratively.

Dropper:
On average, we had several customers, that is, we had a whole list. A regular client. On average, we made from 5 to 12 per day, that’s on average. In a good scenario, the maximum amount we sold per day was 18. The cost of one drop at that time, when we were already working in 2022, was 5500. From here we paid a thousand for the drop itself, for what it came. - A thousand? - Yes, exactly a thousand. 500 rubles, we spent 200 on registering Megafon Kiwi, confirming the phone number given by the client to professional status.
We paid 300 rubles to Svyaznoy to pull up the CUPIS. That's already 1,500 in total. If the drop came, say, from work groups from our WhatsApp admin, we paid another 500 rubles to the admin.

Pavlovich:
Well, not much.

Dropper:
Yes. On average, one and a half to two thousand were expenses. Everything else, everything that was left, was our net money. On average, from each drop, on average, I had 2,000. Sometimes less, sometimes more. Did you have it? Yes.

Pavlovich:
Well, and some of your people, apparently.

Dropper:
We also worked with a partner, the partner earned a little less. His area of responsibility was a little smaller. All this time, the two of us with the partner were doing all this.

Pavlovich:
That is, there were 18 people a day maximum. Well, let's count, there, 12, you say 12-15, even count 10, that's 300 people per month. Well, 300-400, okay.

Speaker?:
That's how it works out.

Pavlovich:
400 people, let's say, you earn 2 thousand per month. You made 800 thousand at the peak, let's say.

About the stupidity of drops.
Dropper:
It is necessary to take into account that we made kickbacks to Svyaznoy employees. Because now I'll run a little higher.

Pavlovich:
So as not to go to them? On the contrary. Tell us how it happens. When we were just starting out, we chose a spot where we would rent an office next to a shopping center, so as not to go far. There was both Svyaznoy and Megafon in the shopping center. We expected that we would simply introduce drops there and the office would be right within walking distance. Our mistake was that when we were just starting out, we led them right by the hand. That is, the cashiers approached them. Why did they approach by the handle? Because every drop is dumb.

Dropper:
You try to explain to him, you dictate only this number that we gave you on a piece of paper. As a result, he dictates his own number. How does it happen? He approaches the operator, the operator says...

Pavlovich:
To open a SIM card or what?

Dropper:
No, not a SIM card. It is the client who opens the SIM card. The client already has a SIM card with a bonus, on which the bonus fell. He checks this on the Fonbet website. That is, a bonus has fallen to this number, now this number needs to be registered as a drop. He, for example, says "we need 5 drops", he gives us, throws off 5 numbers, the drops come to our office, we give each one a number on a piece of paper, with this number we already lead them to Megafon.

Pavlovich:
I want to register some number for myself, right?

Dropper:
Yes. He comes up and says "good afternoon, I want to make a TSUPIS, confirm TSUPIS, or QIWI professional status". That's it. And the operator says "dictate your personal number". She says "your personal number". And they are stupid, and instead of the number that the word "personal" confuses them on the piece of paper, they dictate, start their own, yes. And, naturally, when they dictate their personal number, it does not go anywhere at all, there is no point in it. Because the number to which the bonus fell, firstly, the SIM card is with our client, nothing is received on it.
Secondly, even if he did it on his personal number, there is a bonus for some reason, we can't take the SIM card away from him. In any case, it's a minus. As a rule, this can be avoided. Go there again with him and tell the operator to register on this number. This mistake can be prevented. But we were too much in the sight of the Svyaznoy operators in this shopping center, that at one point, probably after two weeks, fruitful work, every day we brought in five, eight a day at the beginning.
And he sees that the same person comes in, brings in strange people, dictates numbers for them, and so they come to the security service. At some point we come again, an operator meets us at the entrance and says, like, we won't do it for you anymore, you're denied. This confused us, we decided, at first we thought that the guys just didn't want to do their job.
We wrote a complaint about them. We wrote a complaint in this shopping center about their Svyaznoy. We come two days later, they register us through, let's say, clenched teeth. We thought, well, that's it, we've won. We continue to go further, and two days later, when we come again, they tell us, like, finally. They point a finger at the camera. They say, like, here are your faces. There they show a piece of paper with, say, my contact number and the contact number of my friend when we came by hand.
They say, that's it, you are now refused here, like, finish. We understand that this is not an option. And we need to look for a new contact. The other contact was a little further from our office, but, nevertheless, it was within walking distance. And we already liked the place. We did not see the point in moving, changing offices. And in order to prevent the same situation, we decided at the very start to agree, say, with the operator of that contact. We went to that contact, also registered several drops.
The drops were already released, paid them money. We asked the operator to go outside with us to smoke. A young guy, 23-24 years old, comes out with us, we explain to him. So and so, that we plan to constantly bring people to you. Here, just register TSUPIS. For this we are ready to do, say, fulfill your plan. Each communications operator has, let's say, an obligation to sell some services. Whether it's the purchase of SIM cards, some phones, accessories, and so on.
He has a plan, yes. That Svyaznoy, where we came the second time, it was a Svyaznoy in a backwater residential area. We understood that, in principle, who, if not us. So, we outlined this to him, he immediately calls the director in our presence, says, so and so, some guys want to bring people, register their passports, is it possible to do so. Drops themselves are a diverse audience. If we call you, it's only because we want to offer you more money. We don't call for free.
You see, it's from us, which means you'll earn more.

Pavlovich:
An account for my friend's 70-year-old father.

As agreed with the operators.
Dropper:
If you believe, say, on Fondbet or Betboom, it's more difficult, you need to prepare there. The stupidest thing is when he starts asking questions in front of you and the operator, like, what are we doing now, what is this for, will there be microloans. He gives us the phone. The guy says, we talk to the director, explain the whole situation, because we have no thoughts of doing anything illegal. We just want the operator to do his job.
Without asking stupid questions and so on. We agreed on this, set a fixed rate for each drop. Conventionally, 10 drops come per day, each from 150 to 300 rubles. Conventionally, that is, we made 10 drops, the operator already has 3000. For these 3000, we either bought some accessory equipment at the end of the working day.

Pavlovich:
Well, in short, there were plans.

Dropper:
Yes, we fulfilled their plan. Or gave them cash.

Pavlovich:
Well, in cash it’s a little illegal, but I get it.

Dropper:
They transferred to a card.

Pavlovich:
Well, let’s say they bought keychains and protective glasses and wires. Good. An interesting scheme. Well, of course, how else? I saw it on dark forums on the Internet, they also sell something there, verification services for all sorts of TsUPIS. I don’t know for how much, I doubt it.

Dropper:
We did the same. There were times when, let’s say, a bunch of drops are collected, we enter them into some place, let’s say, they’ve already done it on this number, we’ve issued a Qiwi for the drop, we have a photo by the passport, he was in the office, we took photos. And he just gets lost, like, he says, guys, you won’t go any further without me. We understand, in fact, we’ve almost finished it. We even have a photo of the passport, but we did not pass the TSUPIS with it. And we took a risk. We already had agreements with the operator. My partner or I simply put on a hood, walked under the camera, held out our passport.
We had already sent the WhatsApp that was needed in advance. Yes, and for an additional fee we simply entered the data of this man or woman into the database, where they have a state registry or whatever it is called, and they registered him there. In fact, well, we did this at the very initial stages, when we understood that verification would not arrive. We did not want, let's say, to say goodbye to this drop, we understood that there would be no verification, because at that time Fon Bet did not react at all to its burden, the fact that so much money was taken from it.
So, we just did it and forgot about it. There were such moments.

Where did they get so many drops?
Pavlovich: Dropper:
And now you and I have a question, where to get these tens even on the day of drops simply. Are you talking about work groups?

Dropper:
Yes, from work advertising groups. We bought advertising in both WhatsApp and Avito. We didn’t have one admin, we had three admins. In addition to admins, we used Avito. Towards the very end, we already reached the point where people simply did not come. We had already re-registered the entire WhatsApp, we went out and pasted ads. The area in the city where we had an office, it was a residential area, on the outskirts of the city. There were many such marginal individuals there, who, in principle, would not mind earning a thousand out of nowhere in 20-30 minutes.
So we pasted an ad that people were needed to register for sports betting. In 20-30 minutes, payment of a thousand rubles immediately in cash. So, people called, we sifted them, asked whether there was registration or not. Based on this, we understood whether the person was right for us or not.

Pavlovich:
The issue with registration. That is, it is necessary for registration in Moscow to be figurative, or there, or in Kirov, or somewhere else, or what? Under registration, I suspect, have you registered in any offices before. Of course, in the passport it is necessary that the passport is not expired, there is a permanent residence permit, because there are contingents that come, ask by phone, do you have a passport, is everything okay? He says yes. They come, you start checking the passport, as a result, he does not have a registration stamp where he is registered. And without registration they do not make Qiwi and, accordingly, will not make TSUPIS. How to pass verification on an account? Pavlovich: Well, for example, a verification has arrived for your account. There you have played 200 thousand rubles, or 50, or 300, it does not matter there. There is money, but they ... I just went through verification myself, and even my wife went through it, I trained her. By the way, there were funny cases at Winline. They were supposed to call, and we, well, played a lot, a lot, several thousand dollars. They were supposed to call. But I don’t know, every office, well, MostBet can joke like that, it’s normal. There they... The most unexpected question is just. Why are you using a VPN? What kind of VPN do you have? Well, something like that. Knowing this, I told her how many quarters there are in basketball, how many periods, how long a period lasts, for example, in the NBA, in the WNBA, how long in the NSA, in European leagues. Well, in general, about all the questions about basketball, even down to who is your favorite player, there, she says, Michael Jordan, and what team? Well, you know, something like that, in short, I trained for a long, long time, and in the end they called from Tonvinline and simply asked for my full name, and asked to show my passport on camera. That’s all. The question is, my tire is within walking distance, I believe I can walk with it. I'll train you, of course, it's a pain in the ass, but I'll get through it. But your drops are marginal, they're here today, gone tomorrow.

Dropper:
When registering each drop, we wrote down his phone number, his details. We told him that if anything happens, for about a week, 2-3, just stay in touch. Here, save our number. If we call you, it’s only because we want to offer you more money. We don’t call for free. You see, one call means you’ll earn more. But, nevertheless, there were cases when the guys got lost. This is a separate story. In the case when verification happens, we call the Drop, agree with him on a meeting place. For example, on batboom, on afonbet it’s a little more complicated. Winline is one of the easy ones. On Winline, they can ask for a debit card. Proof that you have, say, not only a passport, but also a debit card in your name. How we bypassed the blocking with Winline regarding cards, not every drop, in principle, has plastic, a debit card. Ordering from Tinkoff for each person is still a pain in the ass, even if it's in your own name. You have to wait. We came to the conclusion that we took a black Tinkoff debit card, Tinkoff Black. In the new styles, they write the username on the back, and there's nothing in front. We took Word on a black background, created a file, a black background, wrote his name in white letters, cut it out carefully with scissors and stuck it directly onto the black card. And when it was necessary to show the card, he took out this card. Well, into the camera, into the webcam, it won't be clear there. In addition, we used a special Android-based phone for such video calls, some old models, so that... Why exactly like that? Pavlovich: So that the camera would eat? Dropper: Yes, so that it would be blurry. Because if, say, you go through from an iPhone, the quality is better, they can burn you. Well, they can't do anything about it, I have such a phone, what can I tell you? Pavlovich: Buy me a new one there. Dropper: Yes. You pass, we have never had a case where we were somehow caught. Here. If you believe, for example, on poundbet or batboom, it is already more difficult, you need to prepare there. We asked the client for a list of questions, a sheet of answers, what he bet on, where he bet, what amounts, what events, type of sport and so on. He wrote out a sheet of answers for us, we invited the drop to our office. Or there were moments, we even dragged some to their apartment. Pavlovich: Well, did you seriously train them? Yes, that is ... We checked everything, right? Dropper: They sat for about 30 minutes, we, say, rehearsed with them, explained how to say it correctly so that they understood what an account number is, what, for example, a Qiwi card is. Pavlovich: How did you top up there.

What did you do with the drops who did not understand how to pass verification Dropper:
It will either be in his area, or he comes to our office. All this is not free, we pay. We paid from 500 to 2000 rubles, depending on the degree of complexity. Basically, verification required the Drop to come, take pictures of his passport, from different angles, like, re-registration, something with a leaf. Conditionally write the current date, and for such-and-such an office. That’s it. But there were verifications that were more complicated. A more complicated verification is when there is a video verification. Well, the one, as I say, like, yes. Yes, as you just wrote.


Yes, how they replenished, how they started. Both transactions were different. Absolutely right. And at the appointed time, as a rule, a call took place, the drops were divided into two categories. Those who, let's say, understood what we wanted from them, and those who did not yet understand what was happening. The second type of people who did not yet understand what was happening, we used the following scheme. We took regular wired headphones and a push-button phone. We put one earphone in the ear, put the push-button phone on a chair, on the sofa, in the hand in which the video call was taking place, he took the second part of this earphone, where the microphone was, in this hand.
One of us would go into another room or even go into the room. And when we called, it turns out, we would dial a push-button call on the phone number on the barrel.
And when the verification was taking place, the person who was in the other room would hear the operator's question and would indicate it in his ear. And for the operator who is checking, it all looks like the headphones are like... The shot is spinning around the headphones with him. But in fact, there is a third person in the headphones.

Pavlovich:
Cool, they never poured out any tricks.

Dropper:
Yes, they didn't. But there were times when the connection would break at the wrong time. And if I was nearby, or my partner, we would start to prompt something. The operator would sometimes hear it. They would say who he was prompting in the background, as we would say, drop. He would leave and deny it. He would say, no, there is no one. A ghost. Yes. But I heard something. There is such a thing in Fonbet. They can't not give you the money. There you can, let's say, get caught in some kind of scam, but they won't give you the money.
That is, this office is directly afraid for its status. And that is why they don't always withdraw money. We had cases where we accidentally sent, they asked, send a photo, for example, of a laptop screen with a passport, and we forgot to change the name of the tab on the browser that we used to log in, and it said, let's say, drop 26. And we forgot to do it.
And the Fonbet employee who is checking, he finds this tab and writes, please explain what the name of the tab drop 26 means .

Pavlovich:
Drop from the English word to throw.

Dropper:
Yes, we somehow avoided this topic. In any case, we managed to withdraw the money. As for Fonbets, we have never had a situation where we could not withdraw money. Our money was stuck on Betboom, we could not withdraw it, on Winline. But in terms of Fonbet, no, they always withdrew money there.

Sergey about the funniest verification.
Pavlovich:
The account of my friend’s 70-year-old father, he’s actually in Ukraine, in Donetsk, so he’s 70 years old, imagine, and how to train him, I have a few days, they say, write when you’re ready to call. Anyway, I train him, and for me this video verification was the first in my life. And, that means, I tell him what browser I’m using, they ask him, there, I say, they can ask you what browser, there, what are you doing on the Internet?
The funniest verification I've ever had. Katya and I were in Sochi, and we had, I don't remember how much, well, in short, from 6 to 10 thousand dollars, and the money was tight, other people's money, that is, there was some played-for money. Personally, everything was great for me, everything was cool, but the money was someone else's, it was blocked by one company, I won't say which one, it was blocking it. He says, I don't know, I only watch YouTube on the Internet, I go to YouTube. Yeah, and what do you go to YouTube through? Through a browser. From which one? You need to tell Opera, what Opera icon, the red one, and why were you using a French IP instead of a Ukrainian one, for example, what VPN are you using, what is VPN, why? Well, in general, I trained him for two days somewhere else on vacation. Well, it was uncomfortable. I was terribly nervous. Someone else's money. And, in general, they call him. They call. Grandpa was such a good guy, well, a cheerful one, basically. He took it, put on a suit, poured himself some whiskey or cognac, put the bottle down, and there they call him on the black screen. He says, yes, the keys are on the screen, that you can see me, he says, and I can’t see you, let’s at least have a drink there, in short, on hold. They didn’t bother him much there, like, they said how many times you topped up, by what means, well, from a card, from money, something else, I don’t remember what it was. He told him all this. He says, quiet down, talk, because my wife is in the next room, she says, we have a fabric store here and there, I put this money in a bookmaker’s office, good thing I won. If she hears it now, I’m screwed, like, well, like, on hold. And then the question is, did you bet on tennis, and what only on tennis? He says, yes, I'm in that office, I'm playing in a bookmaker's office there for the third time in my life. In general, what exactly is there, he says, on Donskoy? You can't sit there, that is, Donskoy is his last name. Why did they bet on Donskoy? He says, well, I don't know that there. Well, I'm from Donbass, that's our Donskoy. Well, our Cossack, last name Donskoy, I'm from Donbass, well, well. And did you also bet there, you know, on whom? Oh, well, those, well, those girls there. Well, one there somehow, with this German, fascist last name, in short. Well, such a one, on a lark, scattered here and there, and, to my surprise, they really, really, technically, there, VPN, Opera, Shmopera, didn't ask anything, who they bet on, what amounts. And there, it turns out, tennis was dragged on for 5 sets, the match, there, Dominic Timy played with someone else, well, some kind of final. And he says, well, I almost sat down, he already started winning. In short, the old man worked perfectly. And, in general, these, there, 6-10 thousand dollars were unblocked for us, but class. This is the most terrible video with a ringing in my life. And after that I collect them. Sometimes guys send me what video verifications they had. I have somewhere gig-two, in short, all sorts of videos. I haven't gotten around to it, maybe we'll even include it in this issue.

Is age important for a dropper.
Dropper:
An interesting question about age, let's say, to whom the account is registered. We had a hundred when we registered it.

Pavlovich:
We had already made a hopelessness. We had already used everything, everything that was possible.

Dropper:
We had clients who didn't really care, let's say. There were those who specified the conditions, let's say, we need, say, men under 40. And there were clients who said anything and everything, like, register, it doesn't matter. Let's say, in such a case, we registered one woman on the machine and sold her to another guy. This guy played eSports. The woman was 58-59 years old. That is, well, it is already clear that a person of this age, well, definitely does not play eSports.

Pavlovich:
He drove some GGBET with a bookmaker.

Dropper:
Yes, he, well, he drove, if I'm not mistaken, eSports, it was Fonbet. There was a department, a section on eSports, Dota or Kesk, so that he could bet on such things. And he gets a reef on this woman, he calls us, we ask what he bet on, he says, eSports. We understand, well, that's all already. We will try. Even if we can explain to her what she needs to say, let's say, the operator himself will not believe it.
He will understand that this is an obvious drop. Nevertheless, we managed to train this woman, we explained to her what the operators wanted from her.

Pavlovich:
We played with her for a week. Yes.

Dropper:
We went through two video calls on her. Before the two video calls happened, we called her three times for additional photos. That is, Fonbet can sometimes limit itself to just photos with a sheet of paper with a passport in addition. If you send photos on time, then you may not even get to the video call. They kind of see that the client responds quickly when in touch, they can miss the moment. But if they get hooked and want to go to the end, there will definitely be a video call, during which I will ask everything.

Pavlovich:
But you say that if they always pay out, then you can completely fool a fool, right? Like, I don't remember, I drank too much yesterday, and that's it, my memory is gone, I don't even remember my name there figuratively.

Dropper:
In some moments we talked about drops, like, if you don't know something, you say that you don't remember, or, let's say, you bet drunk. You decided, let's say, to try your luck, received a conditional salary, decided to go play, and then you lost the money, you can't get it out, and your wife is scolding you. It got to that point. And why were we, let's say, a little worried with the woman, because it was one of our first video verifications on Fonbet. And when it happened, we didn't have the experience of money being given directly to everyone.
We were a little worried, because the amount was close to 100 thousand. We had conditions that if, say, verification was not passed, we would return a certain amount to the client. And we understood that we would have to return it from our own. And we placed all our bets on the woman passing this verification. She passed.

Do they charge for verification?
Pavlovich:
But you, pay from an account, from a fork player, from a corridor player or just from a really cool player, he has 100 thousand held, you need to verify them, right? Well, accordingly, you call a drop, pay him, train him, spend your time, often several days, as you say, or as I did, I trained my grandfather for a couple of days, and that's it. And how do you saw this money? He says, 100K is stuck, that is, how much do you call?

Dropper:
Some droppers have a percentage of the amount that is stuck. They, let's say, take it for themselves, as always said, we always took not by percentage, let's say, we had a certain fee, let's say, calling a drop to us costs thousands of rubles, plus it depends on what needs to be done with him, let's say, a photo is 800 rubles, a video call is one and a half thousand and so on.

Pavlovich:
Regardless of whether he manages to get through or not.

Dropper:
In any case, verifications, as always, we always broke even. We never made money on verifications. If we did, it was 500 rubles at most. We gave almost all the money to the dropper. Regarding time management, in order to call the droppers so as not to waste working time. Basically, we calculated on days when we understood that there were not so many applications for tomorrow, let's say, 3-4 needed to be done. We understood that we would do it before lunch.
And in the afternoon, we called the droppers to the office who needed to pass the video verification, or we went to them, to their area.

Pavlovich:
And in terms of gender composition, you say that they don't really want women there, for example?

Dropper:
Yes, preferably men, because everyone understands that women in their majority don't play. But, nevertheless, some still want it just for the quantity. We had a client, let's say, his nickname on Telegram was Ded, maybe he knows everything, he took us literally in batches.

Pavlovich:
I know, I know who it is, of course.

Dropper:
He dropped 10, 15 numbers from us just per day. So, and he said, guys, please do it. We did the maximum. That is, in fact, you can hold the entire drop service for several clients. Like those, like mass ones. You can't jump above your head in any case. Even the top ones who were engaged in dropovod, more than 20, well, it's difficult to do per day. It's exhausting. You need to take people back and forth, take pictures in the office, take them to TSUPIS, Megafon. All this takes time and nerves.

How do drops assert their rights?
Dropper:
Dropovods themselves are a motley audience. That is, not everything is so smooth. Some begin to assert their rights. You haven't even photographed him yet, and he's already starting to ask questions about whether there will be microloans and so on.

Pavlovich:
Well, that's a logical question.

Drop-man:
Yes, and you explain in the most accessible way that we have been here for a long time, here is our office, everyone knows us, if something happens you can come and beat our face, like we are not hiding. And basically there were moments when people were divided into adequate ones who understood what they were getting into, and there were types that someone took along for company.

Pavlovich:
In percentage terms, adequate and inadequate.

Dropper:
Out of 10 people, well, 3, probably, will definitely try to download something, stand for a license, and so on. A lot of drunk people came there on something. That's it. Those were the ones who caused the most problems. At the moment of registration, when he just needs to stand near the counter, for example, in Megafon or in the same Svyaznoy, they take these pens and start drawing something there on the counter, trying to get the operator with questions, and so on. The stupidest thing is when he starts asking questions in front of you and the operator, like, what are we doing now, what is this for, will there be microloans.
And the operator looks up at you and looks questioningly at you, what are you doing with him. And you have to somehow try to explain to the drop operator that you are not doing anything illegal, and they are confused by the fact that you still need to sign. When you do kiwi in Megafon, they give you an A4 sheet to sign, what pulls kiwi up to professional status, and you need a consent signature. And many start reading it closely, as if it were some kind of bank agreement, a loan, and so on.
And they stand there for five minutes, the font is small, and say, if something is wrong here, I will find you, and so on. In principle, we have already gotten used to this, because, probably, every 10-3 people promised us that they would come for us. They have never come yet. In fact, we did nothing illegal to make them come for us. What we did, in general, is not a violation of the law. Because, in fact, everything happened with the consent of these people whom we registered.
That is, they voluntarily provided their data, passports, any additional documents. Everyone agreed.

Pavlovich:
And the contracts? Did they ask for contracts?

Dropper:
Some sign contracts, but we did it without contracts. That is, there are drop services that have a contract on several A4 pages, where the conditions are spelled out, how they, for example...

Pavlovich:
But people still don’t really read them, right?

Dropper:
Yes, it’s just that the contract can, let’s say, scare a person away, because it’s not clear what they want from him, and still sign some kind of contract, some parties there. It was easier for us, at least, that way. We found people, met at a designated place, gave them all, say, a megaphone, brought them into the office, took photos there and took them to Svyaznoy to finish the status, pull them up so that the TSUPIS would be in place.

Pavlovich:
The coolest video verification you've ever seen.

About previously registered drops.
Dropper:
There was a case where the person we registered died. The PPS guys came to us, two employees, a lieutenant and a sergeant. It's all a scam, what they say, a drop from the guarantee. At the moment, I know more than 50 droppers. When you bring someone to us, you earn extra. After we pulled up TSUPIS, we waited for them for some time, kept them, that is, not far from TSUPIS, and waited for the account to be pulled up.
But we needed to check, to make sure that they deceived us, and they had no previous registration.

Pavlovich:
How much is that? 5, 20, 30 minutes?

Dropper:
On average, TSUPIS is pulled up in 10 minutes, even less, 5 minutes. You just need to update it, and that's it. If he had previously registered, then TSUPIS simply will not pull up. Or you need to go to the background, check the availability, whether the bonus has appeared or not. The client does all this, and the efficiency of the client determines how long we will hold, stand with these drops. And they are all in a hurry to go home, and every minute they say, well, what's there, soon-soon give me my money. In fact, no matter how the person has done everything, he does not understand what else you want from him.
You sit with him on a bench and wait until something pulls up there. You explain to him that you need to wait, we will make sure that everything is fine, that you are clean, like, in this regard, we will pay you your money. That's it. There were moments when we waited for some time with a person, it turns out that he is registered in all offices, but we can not check somehow, we will stop the registration process, we can not. At the initial stages, we did not have this tool.
When you have already paid for the conditional registration in Svyaznoy Megafon, spent time in the office taking photos from all angles, and it turns out that he has a conditional registration in Fondbet, Vin Wine, Olimp and so on, he already has a full bouquet of offices. You start telling him why you didn’t tell me right away, I’m asking you so directly. And they start dodging, saying, well, I thought that if I just register, it doesn’t mean anything. Well, there were those who tried to somehow pump their rights. I worked, my partner, we worked specifically for the bookmaker, let’s say, he probably didn’t belong to the world of the intelligentsia, but to the world, let’s say...
Yes, to the street world, as if these are his character traits, as if in a good sense of the word. And he even has a title, probably, of the highest profession, director of complex issues. It was he who always communicated with the drops, he took them somewhere. He resolved any conflicts with them himself. That is, we played the bad evil cop, where I was the good one, and he was the evil one.
And even those who tried to really screw up, he was able to explain in popular language that you shouldn't do that. That's it. We probably worked in this synthesis for about a year and a half.

What kind of people should you avoid?
Pavlovich:
What kind of people should you generally avoid for drops?

Dropper:
Let's start with Caucasians. Why shouldn't they be registered? We had a sad experience when we registered guys from Dagestan with a residence permit from there. And they got verified. It was the Betboom office. We called him to our office. We needed to take a photo of him with a laptop and a passport. That is, an open account. And he saw that there were 200 thousand on the account. He saw 200 thousand on the account. And the next time we started calling for a repeat video verification, this is a stupid photo.
He didn't get in touch anymore. After some time, our client calls us and says, I can't log into my account. More precisely, I can...

Pavlovich:
Drob' changed the password.

Dropper:
Yes, he went in, went to the CUPIS, re-tied it or called the hotline, I don't know how. He saw what kind of office it was, the most important thing. He went in. What was, let's say, a problem for him, he couldn't withdraw the money because the money can only be withdrawn to the card from which it was opened. And this was an online Qiwi card. He tried to link his own, he linked his card, even replenished it from them, but he couldn't withdraw it. As a result, he started betting from 200 thousand, dropped the balance to 160 and raised it again to 190.
We got in touch with him, tried to settle it peacefully. He didn't want to contact, started referring to the fact that he was no longer in town. He agreed on a meeting for us with his, let's say, friends and acquaintances. I won't say how, but we managed, let's say, to get our money back, with little bloodshed, let's say.

Pavlovich:
The director of complex issues came and sorted it out.

Dropper:
We managed to get the money that was on the account. In the eyes of the client, let's say, we didn't set him up. After that, we realized that we swore off, we would no longer register people, let's say, of non-Slavic appearance, because all the problems we had were precisely from these guys. I don't remember that we had any specific problems with squeezing out specifically people of Slavic appearance. That is, if there were any problems with them, it was only in the sense that they were extinguished somewhere, got lost, could not pass the rope.
There were never any radical issues with them. In terms of why pregnant women can't be registered, at the very beginning, when we were still doing it under offshores, we had one drop, he asked to register his wife. That is, he knew that we pay a thousand rubles for registration. He says, I have a wife, let's register her. Like, let's pay a thousand like that. I say, okay. We explained to him what we would be doing under Fonbet.
I say, yes, let's do it. A woman came, she was probably in a position, maybe seven or eight months. We registered her, let her go. It was probably December 21st. In February 22nd, he calls us, says what the problem is, why we can't get benefits now. That is, she came to get child benefits. And how we persuaded her, how what, I just don't know. And it showed that she had income, let's say, the amount that was being played through, taken from Fonbet, the same wager, 200 thousand, it showed as a win, and that they were not low-income, because it shows in their database...
Well, that there was some income. So, it was refused. After that, in fact, it was not our fault, because he asked for it himself, let's say, we explained to him that we could not help in any way.

Pavlovich:
Well, you did not know about that moment.

Dropper:
Yes, we did not know at that time. After that, we no longer registered pregnant women. This is the only time, let's say, when we understood why this should not be done, we did not do it anymore.

Why do you need a PPS?
Pavlovich:
And why was a PPS needed?

Dropper:
A betting shop can be parallel to the Svyaznoy TsUPIS, or you can come directly to a betting shop. It is done for free there, but there is a nuance. It is necessary... An SMS is sent to the phone number that the client has. It is necessary for him to promptly dictate the SMS code to us, and we dictate the code to the drop. Going hand in hand with him to the PPS, this does not make any sense at all, because they will not do anything with it right away.
And this is more difficult than in the usual case. In Svyaznoy, you do not need to dictate the code. Nevertheless, we sometimes did it. Later, in 2022, on April 8, a general block arrived across Russia for all Svyaznoys, because it was impossible to make more than one registration per day. Our Svyaznoys automatically dropped out. We began to test whether Gustavs are connected to the EBT network, to pull up, say, the status of the Tsupists. We did not have 1X in our city, we had Fon Bet, Liga Stavok, Betboom and Betcity.
But the problem is that you need to dictate the code that comes. And it was not always possible to do this promptly. Either the client was not in touch, or the drop was slow for some reason and could not do it normally. For example, for us this point was dropped for some time, we switched completely to registration through the fast payment service "Contact" in banks "Kuban Credit" and similar ones. There it is an analogue of the same as with "Izn". That is, the client comes, the drop comes to the bank branch, cashes, says, gives the transaction code and says, I need to do this.
Gives a passport, it is also entered into the database and also pulled into the TSUPIS.

Pavlovich:
This TSUPIS is interesting. Well, in general, it is such a, well, with them, of course, it is easier, yes, what, well, TSUPIS offices, in principle, always pay out money there. But there is also some additional tax, I remember, if you play in the CUPIS office, they deduct tax from your winnings, no? Maybe my memory is failing me?

Dropper:
The tax is calculated in the sense that you will not pay the winnings, because the office pays automatically. What will be displayed in the database, however, is your winnings, which are state records, they will show that you had a win. And for this, perhaps, they may not pay benefits.

Pavlovich:
Well, like in the case of the pregnant woman.

How did they call the police?
Dropper:
There were cases when the police were called to our office. We rented an office in the basement of, say, a multi-story building. In addition to us, there were all sorts of other offices where they did nails, eyelashes, just an accounting office, various firms. Every day we brought in crowds of these people, let's say. People not of the most pleasant appearance. And we brought them to our office, we had the same light there, because we took pictures so that every point could be seen in the passport, we didn’t dig around, so that.
And at some point, we called the police officers to ask what we were doing there. The PPS guys came to us, two officers, a lieutenant and a sergeant. And they said, what are you doing here? We told them directly that the registration was made for sports betting. They seemed to be convinced that we were not selling anything against the law here. As I understood it, they said that we were pushing something. Because people with such an appearance walk around.
They looked, smiled and left. This was probably the only time we directly encountered the police officers like that.

What do forklifters do in the hope of easy profit.
Pavlovich:
What do forklifters do when they buy drops in the hope of easy profit? Will it really be that easy?

Dropper:
In this regard, people who are, let's say, fork traders, who have not encountered the understanding of what drop farming is, they think that their money is maximally insured, the drop will not get lost. And they, without thinking, sometimes some load colossal amounts into an account, not worrying about the fact that this person can get lost somewhere, disappear. Well, for reasons independent of them, of you. Yes, and they think that, let's say, everything is fine. I have a close friend who also deals with forks, and when he asked me to make him drops, I refused.
I said, I will not take this responsibility, because I understand what kind of product I work with. Even though I do not have any specific problems, but I know how often they get lost.

How often are drops lost?
Pavlovich:
And how often are they lost, by the way.

Drop farmer:
Out of ten, four are definitely lost.

Pavlovich:
So, basically, no one on the market can provide drops with a guarantee for objective reasons, right?

Dropper:
No, that's all a scam, what they say, drops with a guarantee. We interviewed them. Let's say, a drop is not a cucumber that you can put in the refrigerator, how will he lie there. He has his own life, his own concerns. He can, in the end, just leave the city, just stop picking up the phone. We had guys who, leaving our office, immediately blocked our phone number. They thought that we did something terrible to them, and that's it. You need to understand that a drop can even die. We had a case where a person we registered died.
And such verifications may not be passed. Regarding the verifications that were lost, drops, in some cases we could pass them ourselves. Having conditionally verified on Winline, on Olympus, you can pass yourself, without a drop. It is enough to just have a photo by the passport. A passport is ordered to be drawn on A4 format, so that it can be printed.

Pavlovich:
From Mamkin's drawers.

Dropper:
Yes. Or from other guys. An order is placed, the passport is drawn, it is taken to print. In print... Well, you need to ask that they draw it to the passport size. To the size-size of the passport. Yes. You do all this on a color printer, cut it out on a photo of the paper, carefully glue the main page into the passport with your own tape. And you can even go through the form of a stamp. Let's say people...

Pavlovich:
And you can, you know, even with something other than tape, but this glue stick, for example, is there one? There is a film in the passport, well, in the Russian one, if you glue it, it holds, and then you take it, remove it, with a patch.

Dropper:
Well, we did, basically, a small thin tape, so as not to spoil the pages. And, let's say, my partner, with whom I work, he has a darker shade of hair, I, let's say, I'm Chopin. And light drops fell on me, I just took the passport itself. They don't even look at how similar you are. They work stupidly according to the script, the employees. They see the passport in place, showed the card, seems similar. That's it, the money is for withdrawal. And with Fonbet we went through verification, we took a photo of a printed passport.
They ate that up too. Not always, but...

Pavlovich:
Like a photo of a printed passport?

Dropper:
Request. Send a photo promptly, let's say, next to the passport, next to this message on the computer. Look, the fraction got lost, but you have his passport. And at least to do something, you don’t tell the client about it, you take, print out his passport, you just take a photo, let’s say, set the lighting so that no glare is visible, that it’s photo paper. Well, and in some moments it worked.

Pavlovich:
So you already, and therefore, after all this, have the skills of a photographer, right? You can set the light there, the exposure.

Dropper:
It all depends on the color. How you set the lamp. We had, let’s say, a photo light that stood. We had a chromakey.

Pavlovich:
Like this or ring lamps?

Dropper:
The same, only a little smaller. So, we, let’s say, adjusted it. We had a chair on which we took photos and a certain background against the door, or against the wall. We had beige walls. And at some point, when the drop was going through the video reef from TsUPIS, after April 2020 they started throwing them in, the employee asked in which office you took the photo. They already understood that the photos were of the same type, they come from the same office, so he asked directly.
The person answered that no, it was somewhere at work.

Pavlovich:
You could have colored backgrounds, yes, take that wide paper somewhere, change it periodically.

Speaker?:
You can, but at some point we just realized that, firstly,

Dropper:
It's laziness. The maximum that we changed the background, we had four walls in the room. One wall, two walls with a door and the third wall next to the cooler. The chair was on wheels, we just moved the drops for each photo, rolled it along the wall, and that's it, and the background changed. And so we did with each one. Photo packs, basically, were up to 30 photos of different, different angles, with a sheet of paper, with a passport, just without anything.
And we made several backgrounds, for example, rolled it on wheels around the room, so that the client, in the case of verification, had several different photos.

Pavlovich:
Well, like, on different days it was done this way.

Drop-off:
Some were asked, for example, to take off their jackets. In one photo, he is wearing a jacket, in the other, he is sitting without a jacket in a shirt. He also rolled.

Why does the guest talk about work in the past tense?
Pavlovich:
But you are talking about all this today as if in the past tense.

Dropper:
We worked hard specifically for BK for a certain time, probably until, now it is 2023, we worked until the fall of 2022 specifically for BK. Now we are working for BK, but we are more engaged in old regs, accounts that are already from our drop database, who are in touch, we pull them out again, go through them. Now we are more engaged in cards. Nevertheless, we also work for BK, but not to the same extent. If we compare how we worked at the very beginning, then this does not compare.

Pavlovich:
But this is for crypto exchanges and all sorts of payments.

Dropper:
No, they made it for a coinlist at most, for a coinlist. You need a driver's license there, that's all. But it's even easier there than for a regular bookmaker, because there is no verification. Yes, they made it, forgot about it, that's all. Why isn't dropolod for everyone? Because you need to at least understand what you'll be dealing with. Every person is unique, no two are alike. In addition, if you take people who will, say, act as those who want to sell their data, you need to understand what kind of person they are.
They won't be some ordinary person with an ordinary job. They are, at a minimum, a person of a certain status who desperately needs thousands of rubles. A normal person won't sell their passport.

Pavlovich:
A drug addict or an alcoholic, right?

Dropper:
Well, yes, like a person with low social responsibility. Maybe an alcoholic, a drug addict. You can't blame these people for anything, but I think a person won't sell their data, that's it. And you need to understand how to communicate with these people. Because the audience is diverse, everyone wants to screw you as much as possible, conflicts on this basis. Many, let's say, you tell him from the very beginning that you will pay a thousand. You came, did half of the actions with them, he says, like, pay me 1500, or I will not continue.
And you need to try to persuade, because you have already in fact ruined the SIM card, having linked it, say, to Cepis or Megafon. The SIM card is already ruined, you need to finish him off with his data. And you try to explain to him that, like, no, we will pay you a thousand, and somehow level out all these facts.

Speaker?:
Well, how would you explain?

Pavlovich:
I would, for example, use arithmetic. Here's how you tell me, listen, dude, I myself earn a thousand from this. Here's your data, let's say, will go there for three. There's a grand for you, a grand for me, and there's 500 for all these expenses. That's the argument I would use. What about you?

About the drops who ask for more.
Dropper:
In most cases, we did it, but you just can’t explain it to some. And we said, like, well, look, in fact, you’re going to leave now, you won’t earn anything. Stay with us for another 10 minutes, you’ll have thousands of rubles in your pocket. You can leave now, but these, say, 20 minutes that you spent, they’ll go down the drain. And many kind of understood that, well, why is he asserting his rights. Well, yes, now he’ll leave with nothing. And they stayed. The most unpleasant thing is when they start demanding more money and saying that in case of an inspection, like, I won’t get in touch.
We had guys like that. Well, here it’s already, let’s say, a prohibited technique. There were times when we simply paid extra. There was one guy after registration. We had already calculated, we give him a thousand rubles. He says, yes, give me another 300 rubles. We say, no. He says, I'll go now and tell them to cancel the registration, to do it by force. We tried to explain it to him, but we understand that this is probably one person in a hundred.
We paid him an extra 300 rubles and just forgot about him. For us, this is not such a big amount of money. We are already doing the principles. Because if you start giving everyone extra money like this, then this arithmetic that is built, you won't earn much either.

The coolest video verification.
Pavlovich:
The coolest video riff that you have seen all the time?

Dropper:
The coolest video riff, we made it ourselves. I'll tell you the situation. When we were just starting out, we had one mutual friend, a guy. Here. He was then a first-year student at the university. He himself was of such an incomprehensible character and educated to the point of money. When he found out that it was Parimatch on his account back then, When he found out that money was stuck on it, he started trying to pump his rights, that "give me 40 percent of this amount."
There were about 30 thousand stuck there, not so much at that time, but he started demanding 40 percent of this amount, that "I will pass the ZRF if you pay me 40 percent." Neutralizing all the facts, we tried to convince him, said that "yes, we will pay you." We passed the official video ZRF from Parimatch with him, the money was withdrawn to us. We did not tell him about this, but we said the following - you need to pass another video ZRF finally, after it, like, here, there will be money.
We agreed with him on the starting day, because an employee would call us. My partner acted as an employee. We have such jokes with him. We call him via video link. Naturally, our camera is off. His camera is on. And we start threatening him with questions that are completely off topic. That is, questions from... But the goal was to block him from funds. Yes, just, let's say, to pester the person with the most inconvenient questions, some personal ones. And before that, he communicated with a Parimatch employee. He thought he was calling from the office. The questions were extremely stupid, we baffled him.
The questions were inappropriate. And we made it so that he allegedly failed it. We tormented him for about 30 minutes.

Pavlovich: We
laughed.

Dropper:
Yes, I have video recordings, I can send something, moments can be inserted. In general, it will be very cool.

Pavlovich:
And from the questions exactly like these that the bookmaker's employees asked, you were simply working with blockheads, because I'm saying, maybe some bet, maybe wrap something up, there, he says, and how did you place bets without using automated software, but at the same time not even moving the mouse or clicking on the tabs, well, that is, they, in principle, well, I would expose any player, if I had any suspicions that it was not him, well, anyone.

Dropper:
Let's start with the fact that everyone probably understands that most of these are drops, namely operators. And his task is to shake them up so that the drop confesses to it, or ask questions that the drop cannot answer. In most cases, the same questions as on Mosbet. That is, what they bet on, what they bet from, what sports, what amounts, how many times was the withdrawal of money, replenishment.

Pavlovich:
Well, basically, I saw from all verifications, we mostly have purely financial ones. Here's the conclusion, what amounts are there. That is, by leagues specifically, by the rules of the sport, that's where rarely anyone goes.

Dropper:
Nevertheless, they ask, they ask what a total is, what a handicap is. They, for example, see that the drop is, say, 40 years and above, they start asking purely about the total, the handicap, because if they understand that a person is generally far from this topic, they start loading up on questions that he will not answer.

Pavlovich:
But the player will answer, but he will not.

Dropper:
Yes. Naturally, before this, before the call, we explain to him what a total is, a handicap, there, various penalties and so on. Well, it's a matter of luck.

Pavlovich:
It was easier for me, because we are in the corridor. And I say, put there total 160 more, I put 150, 160 there less. Well, two runs, two points.

How the salt ones arrived.
Dropper:
We had a case with Solvymi. I'll tell you now. Four people came to us for registration. Also from work groups. We have an admin who...

Pavlovich:
Was this a group connected or just unfamiliar at the same time?

Dropper:
These were all four buddies. They were familiar people. They came from the admin who supplied us all the time. His problem, this admin, is that he never asked people about their, let's say, condition, their status, in which they are, but in general the presence of registration in the passport, the passport as such. He just sees that people responded, and his thirst for profit was so great that he did not even clarify any of these points. He simply sent them to our address. He simply instructed us, simply before the fact that so many people are coming to you.
Here. He writes to us, four people are coming, like, wait. We will always have a deficit in shortage. We were always short of drops, so we registered everyone who came. We had 4 people come to us, we also go through the standard with them. Kiwi, Office, TSUPIS.

Pavlovich:
Were they normal or high?

Dropper:
At that time, they were still normal, at that time, normal. We go through TSUPIS, and that day TSUPIS was hanging for some reason, it took more time to wait, to see if their account was pulled up or not. And my partner, he stayed with them, I entered the Office, he stayed with them, they arrived by car. The car was in the parking lot near the shopping center. And they waited a long time, probably 10-15 minutes. They say, let's go get in the car. They go to the car. My partner goes to get in with them.
They sit in the car for a while. Then one of them takes out a flask, pours it into the salt and starts passing it around. That's it. My partner kind of sees it. He just gets out of the car, slams the door and leaves. After a while they call. They say where the money is. By this time, the answer comes from TsUPIS that the registration did not go through, their fonbet, let's say, is already loaded with them or someone did them. We explain, guys, we asked you, you answered us that you are clean, in fact, you have a registration.
They decided that you, like, won't allow them. Yes, they say, you got us, like, there will be consequences tomorrow. The next day they come, there were already 6-7 of them, they came to our office, in such a state, most likely, already shot up. We were protected by the fact that we had pepper spray and a signal pistol with us, Strike M. That is, it also contained, let's say, these capsules with pepper. We were standing at the entrance, smoking in front of the entrance. We saw them when they drove up.
We immediately understood that this was not their intention. We just managed to fill it up, because they immediately... When a person comes at you aggressively, it's understandable. Most likely, they were high. They came at us, we just filled them with pepper. Filled them with pepper, and someone called the police. So, they just took them and took them away. Us too... We wrote an explanatory note. We said that they wanted to attack us. It didn't go any further. But after that, we somehow started, let's say, to approach our safety in more detail at the office. To have some means of self-defense.
After that incident, when 6-7 people openly climb out of a car at you, it's not very pleasant.

What is drop farming for a guest.
Pavlovich:
What is drop farming for you?

Drop farmer:
Well, first of all, probably money. That's it. This is probably one of the only... Probably, in principle, the only job that I don't watch my watch for. In any other place where I worked, during the working day I always looked at the clock, how much time was left before I could go home. Working as a dropper, I never looked at the clock, that is, I never experienced such discomfort that I wanted to go home. There were times when we stayed until nine, until ten in the evening. The connection work went out until nine, in the last drop you can do 8.50, start it, like, plus 20 minutes, while he is there, go out, count all the checks that we have in hand, spherify everything and go home.
On average, if we registered the last one at 8.50, then we went home closer to ten. And you were working, getting a thrill, there was no such thing that somehow the work brought discomfort. Because everything was compensated by money, only money.

Is expansion necessary?
Pavlovich:
Well, and the questions of expansion. Let's say there is demand now, and you already have a scheme roughly established, that is, you can open offices in other cities or is there no need for such a large number?

Dropper:
At the very beginning, when it was possible to register through Svyaznoy, I had a friend who lived in Stanitsa. I visited this topic, and we opened a small branch. He worked for one, I made him a bet, he earns 2000, that is, I received a little less than him, but all the actions were on him. That is, he took pictures, and led drops to Svyaznoy, and did Qiwi-Megafon. That's it. But then, when they closed, say, Svyaznoy, the maximum...
Well, it turns out that he lost the opportunity to register right away. Since there was no betting point in his village, there was only a liaison. Here. He probably worked for a month. We managed to hold some second point. But it is still inconvenient, because you cannot control the quality of the photo, the quality of the drops that he makes himself. Whether you want it or not, when you yourself are at the point, and you see who comes to you, you can already choose selectively, understand, like this one, don't like this one. And you just gave him some input data, based on this, he already did it.
Nevertheless, of the people he registered during the entire time, in a month of work, he registered maybe 30-40 people, the verification fell on only two. I think this is a good indicator.

Pavlovich:
And if you register from a village, for example, just rural residents, that is, they are not marginalized, but they are simply poor, yes, you go to some village, there, you film everyone figuratively or something like that, an off-site, a tour, a vayaz.

Dropper:
There were such thoughts, but here in terms of convenience. Because in case the verification falls out, you have to go and look for them again. It was easier for us to be tied to one place, to one point.

Pavlovich:
It's good, do you know where the office opened then? At the intersection of different train stations. Like in Moscow, there, three train stations in one place, etc., etc.

Dropper:
That is, where there are a lot of visitors. Let's say we have friends in other cities who are also involved in dropovod. They did it in such places, near, say, such busy places, where there are a lot of such people.

Is the market big?
Pavlovich:
But the market itself is big. Are there many offices like yours in the Russian Federation in general?

Dropper:
In our city, where I do this, we started first. After six months of our work, another point appeared. But, let's say, they were no match for us, because they were just starting out, and they started in our area. And since Svyaznoy was bought for us, we had an agreement that they would not register anyone else except us. That is, they see that this is a drop from us, they look into the operator's window, see me or my partner, and only then register. And they opened unsuccessfully in our area, and they did not have the opportunity to register. They did not register them there
when going to the shopping center, where we were initially refused, and they could not do this in our Svyaznoy. Therefore, well, he probably worked for a month or two, tried to do it through betting points, tried to see this code from SMS, but it was inconvenient, and that's it, they left. And there in Russia in every city there is, I think. That is, at the moment I know more than 50 droppers, I exist in a dropper chat all over Russia. Yes, there are even in Kaliningrad, there are in Kaliningrad, in every major city in Russia there are.

Pavlovich:
Cool, that is, the need for them, in principle, does not decrease, right, for drops?

Dropper:
You could say that it decreases, that is, 2022, this is probably the most ... 2021 and 2022 are the most profitable years in terms of time, when it was possible to earn money precisely because of these offices. Because the bonuses were unwound. Yes, the rules have become more stringent, for example, it will definitely not be possible to narrow Fonbet, as before, because they are introducing various additional protection methods, squeezing out the bonus, which, for example, is given for 15 thousand.
It’s like the client looks, there seems to be a bonus, registers a drop, and the bonus disappears. And whether you like it or not, this percentage still falls. And so to this day, people work and do this.

Blitz.
Pavlovich:
Brief blitz, right?
Fonbet or Winline?

Dropper:
Fonbet.

Pavlovich:
Krasnodar or Sochi?

Dropper:
Sochi.

Pavlovich:
Aren't you afraid of going to jail?

Dropper:
I don't break the law.

Pavlovich:
Official job - 200 a month or a gray area - 300?

Dropper:
Gray area.

Pavlovich:
The difference, I see, is not that big - 100 thousand. Still gray.

Dropper:
You can take more with a gray one.

Pavlovich:
The best age for a dropper?

Dropper:
A student. The best is a student. There have never been any problems with them. That is, 18+. And of all the drops that we registered, the most optimal is when students come. This is the only category of citizens that does not fall under, say, the marginals. In most cases, a dropper is a marginal, and a student comes because he simply does not have money. This is a normal person with a normal, let's say, worldview in his head. He also has a feeling of fear that you took a photo of his passport, he will not cause trouble. The most optimal are students.

Pavlovich:
Plus they have another group of students.

Dropper:
Yes, and they bring their friends. We had...

Pavlovich:
We did a referral program.

Dropper:
Referral program. We paid 500 rubles for each friend brought. We had drops who made a business out of it. That is, there were some auctioneers who brought their friends, and every day they brought two or three friends, earning, in principle, in principle, one and a half rubles, this is normal, for the fact that you brought someone to me. And there are a lot of such people.

Pavlovich:
And how many in total did you bring through revka? Let's say 100 people came to you in a week, yes, how many of them through revka?

Dropper:
Through referral, probably every third.

Pavlovich:
Ah, well, quite a lot.

Dropper:
Yes. Whenever, say, two or more drops go, there is always someone, say, a third or fourth, who will take their buddy away. Everyone knows that when you bring someone to us, you earn an extra 500 rubles. That's it. And many guys, knowing, say, that there will be two of them, he calls and says, I have a buddy. As if he sets a condition that I will bring him. And whether you want it or not, you have to pay extra. In fact, I would not pay, but here, if he says so, then you pay.

Pavlovich:
What is your biggest fear?

Dropper:
To catch some verification for 300 plus and not pass it. And you will have to, right? Yes, from your own.

Pavlovich:
And what advice can you give to subscribers who need money, and they were offered to become a drop? Probably, not to agree. Not to agree? No.

Dropper:
You need to understand that by selling their data, they can go not only, say, to the BC. There are unscrupulous clients who can use various other companies as a burden in the course of using government services and so on. Therefore, I would not advise anyone, in principle, to sell their data. You can make money from it. But it's like this... A drug dealer does not use. That is, he sells drugs, but does not use them himself.
Let's say, I have never been... I have not sold my personal data. If I do something, then only in my own name. I register companies in my own name, and I play them back myself. But I do not sell them to anyone.

Results.
Pavlovich:
Here, guys, is such an interview. I really liked it. A very competent storyteller. I think that we may work in the future in some other white topics. And write what you think about this. Have you been offered to become a drop? What is the optimal price, in your opinion, for example, for the services of a drop? Or maybe someone you know was used. And keep writing, it's cool, let's read it, laugh together, what interesting cases did you have during video riffs with bookmakers.
Hugs, bye.