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Sergey Pavlovich talked to the already beloved guest in the mask "Multi-Cheel" about earning money in the darknet.
What services are provided in today's darknet, how much money is made on it, what forums do sellers use, how can an ordinary person get into this market, choose a niche, start working and earn money on it - this and much more in this interview.
Enjoy reading!
Contents:
Introduction.
Pavlovich:
Friends, hello! Multichel, Mr. Vendetta, started his own channel, by the way, there will be streams now. Prepare your questions, yes, we will divide them by topic. Stream on one topic, on the second, on the third, where our dear friend will answer for several hours, in principle, any of your questions, and I will go smoke a hookah at this time, yes, well, maybe I will join you and therefore fly right away to his channel.
Here even under this issue we will already place and accordingly during the streams we will give a link to his channel and you will be able to directly communicate and ask any questions especially considering that the person is much older than many of you and more experienced and so on you can, in principle, be interested and even ask for advice in some life situations I do not see any problems in this well and today we have services in the darknet review of different services who provides them about some legendary figures of course let's talk So, let's go.
About the number of services in the darknet.
Multichel:
Hello. So, the research that is periodically conducted on the darknet usually gives such figures that the number of services of various focuses from cashing out to selling SIM cards and other things is about 5-6 thousand services at one point.
But they are unique, something is repeated, right? Well, something is, of course, repeated, that is, for example, 20 services sell SIM cards, and the cashing out of services can be 200, 300 or 400, and so on.
Pavlovich:
And what is the most?
Multichel:
Listen, I can’t say, I haven’t counted. Probably exchangers? If we consider drug store services, then probably drug store. But they are not considered services in my understanding, this is a completely different market. I mean services on the darknet that are not directly related to the sale of drugs, to direct crime.
Pavlovich:
Well, in short, carding, crime, all sorts of cashing out, that’s what we’re talking about now.
Multichel:
Yes, and the fact that they service carding, cashing out and crime, that is, both the services themselves that service them and the service organizations that service them, that is, there is a whole bunch of what each other helps each other do.
About white services on the darknet.
Pavlovich:
By the way, I will make a small remark, look, there was a carding market there, I had my own forum, for example, and so on, but there was always a whole series of all kinds of service, well, not personnel, so to speak, but auxiliary ones who themselves were not involved in crime, I had designers who draw and create websites, translators are constantly needed there, and so on, that is, they do not seem to be involved in cashing out, essentially white
activity and quite well, of course, it is possible in Belarus they would have attracted them there you created a carding forum design yes, that is, you knew what it was for but in general it is difficult to attract them and considering that the market is rich the same criminal near criminal that is, prices could always be bent x2, x3, and no one really bargained.
Multichel:
Yes, you basically got ahead of my next phrase that work on servicing any criminal business is a very profitable job financially and often absolutely safe. A person who is engaged in white activities will not pay you so much, a person who is engaged in something related to mining, with illegal mining of money, you are usually paid more, yes for one of the reasons that he simply earns a lot. Because now most criminal businesses are on the rise, they have a good income.
If you look at the number of registered accounts on the darknet, their number is more than two million registered. But the thing is, how to count registered, if a person was banned, it is an account, not an account, if a person created 10 or 100 accounts for work, that is, I believe that there are, roughly speaking, 100 thousand unique market participants.
- Unique, plus or minus in all directions, but there are many accounts, and often they are repeated, i.e. some authoritative account in cashing has one name, and next to it an exchanger with a different name is advertised, and in principle it is the same person, but different accounts, and it is not connected in any way, they cannot be connected in any way.
Pavlovich:
Well, that's what I did, for example, I sold documents from one name, credit cards from another, some services from a third nickname, yes, and no one knew, in principle, that it was my one, and I just recommended ordering documents from this one and so on and so forth, that is, a certain trust and it turns out that I drained traffic from three accounts in a circle, looped them together. Is it possible to earn $500 a week, and what if without carding or webcam bookmarks?
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Why don't they create new forums.
Multichel:
If you take away forums with a lot of technicians, I mean, where there are programmers, some technical knowledge is needed, take forums not related to drugs, which are still tied to offline, you can count them. There are a maximum of 50 to 100 of them, but at the same time 80 of them, roughly speaking out of the 100 that I indicated, are practically dead, non-live forums.
There are absolutely the same participants who are represented on large live forums, that is, the same audience, but there are no more than 10 real workers, and even, probably, a little less. That is, in short, the market is quite narrow, quite well-known, often I see newcomers coming who are trying to find some incomprehensible, useless, unique forum in the Darknet, causing thoughtless questions, why do you need it, what doesn’t suit you here, all the same things are presented there.
It is very difficult to start a new Darknet forum, very expensive, and they do not appear. For 10 years I have been watching how someone tried to pick up and develop something, but how to drag a good, competent user from the Darkmoney forum to any other forum is unclear.
The only thing that could have happened, for example, if Darkmoney were closed. Yes, indeed, people would have a question of where to go. Or it would lie under DOS all the time. There were such stages, very calmly perceived by the participants. Darkmoney lay under DOS, in my memory, could lie for 7 days, and 10, but everything was perceived very calmly, although Although people have large deposits there, but in general the point is that there are only a few living forums with traffic
the number can be said to be slightly more than the fingers on one hand, well, okay, the fingers on both hands, and all the other forums theoretically exist, but practically do not. Well, for example, as I mentioned in one of the previous issues, there is Vasya 80's forum, yes, he formed a community there, several dozen of his, well, not fans, but simply with people with whom he worked, but that's all, that is, development I will now operate only with forums that are well-known, known, that is, this is a duplicate of Darkmoney, breaking through the water. Are the flashers alive? Flashers, all sorts of anti-flashers appear there, etc., etc., I do not belong to the criminal forums of the MMGP, that is, the forum of various schemes, I am rather exactly where people are really tied to crime and earn some money.
If we take the respected Alinochka, whom I have already mentioned, who has been selling scans all over the Internet for many years, her support team raises her advertisements on about 50 forums every day.
Pavlovich:
Raises how? That is, writes a new message there?
Multichel:
There is a raise button, it does not even update anything. If earlier some people wrote I will raise, and the message was added to his counter, now, so that there is no empty stuffing of messages, there is just a click of a button and they rise. And since usually any service has not only one service, but a second, third, fifth, often 7-8 advertisements are raised at once, approximately on the same subject. That is, they have a support team whose duty it is to raise these 50 advertisements, but in fact, of course, the work is done on old clients and on several literally key forums.
What does raising on those forums give, I do not know, but if it rises, then there is some kind of cane.
What is the difference between white and dark work.
Multichel:
Today we will try to consider the question of whether it makes sense for a person who is watching the program to go into the darknet, whether he will earn money there or not, what he will earn, what are the risks.
Pavlovich:
The main responsibility.
Multichel:
Not always, we were just talking about servicing criminals, that is, when you are not involved in crime, but only serving them. I would like to digress for a second, for example, I do not have a definitive answer to the question of whether working with a bookmaker makes you a criminal or not. A huge market is tied to servicing bookmakers. But when a person uses other people's accounts and tries to deceive a bookmaker in some way, is that a crime
or not?
Pavlovich:
In general, yes. Listen, it's like when bookmakers, you come tomorrow and say, here's a scheme, here's a group, here are specific individuals who are cheating you out of a million dollars a month, they'll say, we don't give a shit, these are real cases, they're not interested at all, and if you come to the cops with the same scheme, they'll say, what the hell, who, why, we don't have any statements from the victims, we don't need this at all.
That is, in Belarus they close based on the fact, that is, no statements are needed, that's it, there is a fact of committing a crime, that's it, they closed you, they unraveled the whole group, they got stars on their shoulder straps and that's it, in Russia no one cares, that's really it.
How do they make money on a bookmaker's office.
Multichel:
If we take bookmakers specifically, a few days ago I posted my question in the bookmaker section on the DarkMoney website. About 300 people looked at it, I received only one sane answer, or rather, there were no other answers in principle.
Pavlovich:
Now the guys will quickly figure out your act on Darkman.
Multichel:
Yes, it is normal, ordinary. I just want to say that I can ask this question now or bookmaker experts, or lawyers, if they answer in the comments, it would be interesting. So, I have a friend who has been playing in the booth for many years, sits at the computer, watches a lot of football, hockey, and in the last year, at least a year, he has gotten used to betting in the booth after a goal.
That is, the event has already happened, and it is still burning on the screen. He makes a bet, and in half the cases the bet is accepted, in half the cases of the accepted bet they also calculate in plus. That is, not a refund, but in plus. Naturally, his card, issued to him, has long been cut. What does cut mean? First, when you play Live, in this case in that office the card, well, it is a game account, but there you insert the card into the computer.
The point is that when you are cut, specifically in their office, in Live your bet is accepted for 30 seconds, 40, 50, that is, not instantly. And the second thing is that you can’t bet 10 thousand, you bet 500 rubles, 100 or 200. All these people get under the skin of operators well, they play on other people’s cards and receive payments, naturally, on other people’s cards up to a certain point.
But the office blocks these, and these, and these cards. I got interested in this issue, came up to him, asked, show me the statistics. He shows me that for him, for example, 10 came in after goals in a month. But that is, it was not specifically related to a goal, a puck, but rather some bookmaker event. There, I don’t know, a card that will start from the center of the field, well, that kind of crap. And, in short, the maximum bet he could place was one and a half thousand for odds of 2 or 3.
A person sits in a bookmaker's office all day long and, basically, what I just said means that he has 20, 30, 40 thousand guaranteed money stuck there. And when he got a new card on a new person, which happened to him twice, he managed to bet 10 thousand for odds of 3 and 3 with something, and this happened after a goal. In his case, the amount turns out to be quite significant - several tens of thousands of rubles, and after two bets the card is cut.
I just asked a question on Darkman, look, they say that a person is a gamer and he does not see far, does not count like in chess, that is, he roughly jerks off this situation, instead of thinking how to develop it. That is, so far I see that during the year the office has not closed this hole, one. Accordingly, it means that it needs to be developed. How to develop it? From any university, it is really very easy for you to get 100 students.
That is, it is possible to collect new cards, and with operators, so that they turn a blind eye to some banal things, it is possible. It is possible to agree with students that they personally deposit money and they personally receive payment, that is, for a video camera with a passport, but such a question arises, elementary, gentlemen, your opinion, first, legality, when en masse,
and second, is there an account, does it make sense to pump up a student account with some banal left bets, so that it survives not two bets, or one, but say five or ten, just to calculate the market, and from the words of my friend who sits in the office, the bets that are on the computer and the bets that are on the smartphone are the same errors, that is, in principle, this thing can be a line at the same time, well, you never know, that is, in principle, theoretically it is practically possible there 10 bets on after the goal, I think you have all heard about the bot.
Multichel:
And my next question was, again on this topic, does it make sense to draw a separate scanner for this office. Well, that is, they didn't answer me, but if you see this question in our issue now, I'm interested in your opinion, but at the same time, if you write a comment, please indicate there, first, I'm a lawyer, 5 years of experience, well, I'm exaggerating, or I'm a player, I've been screwing companies for so long, that is, I have
experience, my words can be trusted, or I'm 18 years old, this is my opinion.
Pavlovich:
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Who's going to work in the darknet.
Multichel:
My opinion is that now, offline, online, darknet, and in everyday life, the number of people has dropped sharply, but that is, there are few people, and in principle, there is a shortage of them in the darknet, namely as competent professional employees. I believe that there are three main categories of people who can go to the darknet.
I will give an example about the first category. There is a famous lawyer Olga Romanova from Russia "Sitting". She says that people turn to us at a stage when a person is in prison, which means that the money for a lawyer was borrowed somewhere or borrowed from relatives, a lawyer was hired who successfully appropriated this money, did not do anything special, the financial resources ran out, a sentence will soon be passed and it will most likely be guilty, the lawyer withdrew himself, relatives come to us, the case is clearly unfair, what to do? Sometimes people in complete despair appear in the Darknet, urgently need money, help, urgently earn money, ready for anything. If you dig deeper into this person, he has a ton of debts to microfinance organizations, a ton of debts to banks, in general, he is a complete mess and I have no advice for this person.
I have such people in my personal messages once a week. I have absolutely no advice for this person, maybe just go to a sect, survive a year or six months, somehow solve some other problems on his own, because Because his problem is not in money, not in the money earned at the moment, that is, you can’t hide from yourself, you can’t run away from yourself. And I know for sure people who are being given a million now, but he has already outlined these problems, he will misuse it, he will either lose it there, or instead of developing, he will give it to debts.
But that is, there will be a cycle of foolishness in nature, that is, I have no advice for such people. Therefore, there are two more categories of people left. The first one goes to the darknet to work for someone, and the second one goes to the darknet to open something of her own and be the owner, that is, to earn a lot. You open the criminal code, see what threatens you. And if there is a task, you will definitely break through.
There are a huge number of intermediaries in the Darknet. Restoring a SIM card is immediately a criminal offense. Look for a woman, better look for money, right? The woman will find you herself. 2800 bank cards were seized during the search.
How to make money on a mobile phone store.
Multichel:
Let's say you are a young man and you get a job in a mobile phone store where you can verify Qiwi and Yandex wallets.
If you get a job and work for a person from the darknet, you have a salary of 40 thousand there, and you can verify 5 Qiwi wallets, 5 Yandex wallets per day, you will be paid roughly from 200 to 300 rubles per wallet, this is your bonus. If you go there because you need some kind of your own topic with these wallets, or vice versa, you set aside time, contacted directly with consumers of these wallets, for example, with electronic exchangers directly,
it is clear that they will not answer you at once, there are a lot of ghouls who want to screw them over, that is, to break through to them and prove that you want to work, that is a separate story. But if you did this, what do we get? You can sell a wallet for about 1000 rubles per wallet. In a day, I repeat, you have 5 Kiwi, 5 Yandex. You work 20 days, that is, with the right work you will get a salary of 40 thousand, selling to one person, that is, not risking anything, that is, when your wallets are not distributed throughout the darknet to one person, you can glue a very decent amount.
What is this plan? It's not that it's bad, it should be thought out. For example, now, in December, you set yourself such a goal. Your task, firstly, is to understand that you will find a job, secondly, to find a job, and thirdly, to pester exchangers, offering this service, not paying attention to all the people who want to buy from you for 150, 200 rubles.
You have the opportunity to hold out, there, the product in the refrigerator, yes, well, that is, for these 40 thousand that you earn. Literally in a month or two you get a customer, you do not need any intermediaries, and you, stupidly working in a mobile phone store, where verification is possible, will have a very, very serious income. My opinion is that 100-200 thousand in addition to the salary is a very serious income for a young person.
Pavlovich:
I verified at Svyaznoy, I think, or at Euroset, verified Yandex and Qiwi, yes, I think, even in one store, if my memory serves me right. I came with a passport, and that's it.
Multichel:
I understand, but they have no more than five per day, the limit is set not by the salon, but by Qiwi or Yandex itself, so that there is no corruption, that is, when one person is brought a hundred wallets, he verifies them. Just why? If you have time, you have brains, you first find an idea of what you will do, you understand what customers are there, the next thing you do is open the criminal code, see what you are threatened with, then you begin ... And what is the threat, by the way?
Listen, exactly in terms of wallets, you are threatened with being kicked out of the office and that's it, there is absolutely no threat that you did something according to the scans, but if you went crazy and working in a mobile phone salon, bought into such a bait as restoring a SIM card, restoring a SIM card is always theft of money, or rather, as always, more than 90 percent of restoring a SIM card is theft of either money or data,
that is, it is very bad.
Pavlovich:
Well, some sensitive data, Telegram channels are stealing it and so on.
Multichel:
Depending on how stupid you are and the region where all this is happening, I repeat, the money at the bus station in Abakan is one thing, in Moscow it is different. Be guided by the fact that they pay 15 thousand for this, but they will fire you, possibly with a criminal record after a suspended sentence of a month or two, you will stick it there, you made 5-7 orders, here are 100 thousand. You make these wallets, you do not meddle in anything serious, that is, you do not do any detailing, punching for anyone.
He just got a job at the exchanger. There are thousands of exchangers. If you have a task, you must get in touch with them. Firstly, clients write to them every day, that is, there is a large mail turnover, and secondly, a lot of people write who want to cooperate with them, a lot of scammers write. I do not know how to break through, but if there are tasks, then you will definitely break through.
How to write to an employer correctly.
Multichel: naturally, not saying that the card is rare, I received data on all of my friend's accounts, saw that this card was really there, I realized that the person was in control of the situation, and began to cooperate with him, to my surprise, the cooperation lasted, probably, a year, the price was 300 rubles, everything was sold en masse nearby, for 1000, for 1500, for 2800. Well, that is, this person simply could not somehow offer himself correctly, he was probably the original source, he could also sell all of this for other money, all the rest are resellers.
Here is such a task, you will get into exchangers. There is one nuance, of course, in our modern life. People don't read now. That is, for example, if you made such a sheet of text, they read it diagonally, often don't understand half of it, and, let's say, in this sheet there are, for example, three or four important points, they don't pay attention to them, that is, the eye passes by, you seem to have written everything,
everything is important, and often in the subsequent correspondence they ask you what you were asking about, so I recommend voice messages.
Pavlovich:
Voice messages are also not from the start, when some stranger writes me voice messages, and I, as a rule, have no desire to even listen to them.
Multichel:
I understand, there must be some kind of bait.
Pavlovich:
Some kind of text step, a couple of lines, I will record a voice message on such and such a question, listen to it, well, that's it, it is already clear whether it is worth listening to or not. But some write 10-20 voice messages, and not 5-10 minutes. Maybe there is a very important question there for him, for me, for both of us, but I just won't listen to it.
What are mobile phone store workers jailed for?
Multichel:
I absolutely agree. But I repeat, you can get involved in anything. You must have some kind of financial reserve and some kind of plan. And I repeat, you need to look at criminal liability. Or, in principle, what is the practice, if you get caught somewhere, what are you threatened with? Let's say they won't hire you anymore at this hypothetical Svyaznoy.
And if you, working somewhere in a mobile phone store, look at someone else's detailing, you are paid conditionally from 1000 to 2 for it, reselling it on the market for 8, all the bumps will then fall on you.
Pavlovich:
Yes, they jail people all the time, that's what they started after Navalny...
Multichel :
Listen, they don't jail me for this, it's a suspended sentence.
Pavlovich:
Well, they will give all sorts of boats, but I mean there are convictions, because in the channel he is at the agonist data lix there I constantly read he posts every week there they convicted an employee of such and such and as a rule there before 5 7 10 punching they all do not live long, the fact that in principle it is clear who punched through whom all these requests to the database are lagged and if there, for example, you work Ilya in that in a cellular salon and in the salon it is known there are two punchings per day as part of official activities, and here 20 goes, well it is clear that some kind of special surveillance needs to be established for you.
Multichel:
Well, you yourself should understand once again that verification of wallets there is one thing, that's ugh, restoring a SIM card is immediately a criminal offense, and a serious criminal offense at that, and if you do a breakdown for someone or check data, well, it's not good, you'll definitely get caught, because you won't limit yourself to this earned thousand or two, they'll send you more orders, that is, it's likely that you'll get into trouble when you work for an uncle, almost 100%.
Whoever the uncle is, for one simple reason they all resell each other. There are a huge number of intermediaries on the darknet. The presence of some nice account, a large deposit under the account does not mean absolutely nothing. That is, a person, for example, earns well on cashing out, but at the same time started some parallel service for checking, made a deposit there, this does not mean that he is some big, serious, he can just constantly resell from someone.
When working with someone, you must understand that this data does not go to this person, with whom everything has always been smooth, you trust him, he then resells.
How to find the right topic for earning.
Multichel:
That is, returning to the topic that there are two types, if you want to enter the darknet, you serve someone or you enter in order to do it yourself, that is, some of your own service, and if you climb again on the site Duplicate, DarkMoney and look at such not quite typical dark activities, for example, making seals, selling SIM cards, by the way, a typical activity, you will see that the sellers have a long-standing registration, they are engaged in the same thing, that is, you can go to the profile of each seller and see what he writes, and you see that the person has 100 messages or 200, they are all the same, they sell SIM cards, they do not change, they go from year to year, and what can this mean?
That this market is stable, constant, not touched by the cops, not at all, will you be able to get into this market? Well, for example, there are 5-10 SIM card sellers, well, if you are somehow a dealer or connected with dealers, that is, there is some kind of constant source, that is, some kind of exclusivity, yes, you can, I'm not sure that you will earn a lot of money.
If you conduct an experiment and write to all these people a request for some kind of SIM cards, the average response time is 2-3-4 hours. I am also sure that they mainly use these accounts to search for rare new clients, and everyone else mainly works with established ones, that is, those that were bought on the forum 5-7-3 years ago. That is, this is such an advertisement, not right now, what does this mean?
What if you open a new ad on the forum with the same services? Get ready for a long-long-long search for clients, no one new will run to you, you need to write everywhere, you need to twitch everywhere. I have quite a wealth of experience posting various ads on dark topic forums, I will say this, they stopped answering not me personally, but in principle, it was the communication that went away.
That is, there are people who professionally understand any issue. Debit cards, debit cards for scans, cashing out, SIM cards, they don't answer, you posted some topic or with a question, or with a sale, they don't get through, that is, they are already on the forums, they are literally squinting quietly. That is, if you want to get some information - a hammering. Or write directly, if you want to sell - write directly.
I understand that this is spam, but it's your problem, how will you solve this issue.
Pavlovich:
I got through the eye of God and came home to him.
Multichel:
So, if you have some exclusive service, and you offer it on the Darkforum, a moderator will definitely intercept it. It will look like, the topic is closed for verification, contact me. You contact the moderator, he checks it, if you really have some kind of exclusive, the moderator immediately says - I'm opening a topic, and from another account, which seems to be unrelated to the operator, they start selling your topic, knowing that they will buy from you with some kind of markup.
If you are not active, then your ad literally in 2-3 days goes to the next page, and an interested buyer, he is usually lazy, he simply will not find you. I already gave an example in one of our first issues, when I needed the service of having accounts opened for a person. And I wrote to about 10 services and combed through 3 or 4 pages on this topic, well, I am in the right section.
On the fourth page, I found an absolutely unremarkable account that offered this service, it asked for 300 rubles, and the services where I wrote asked for an average of that money, then the moderator asked from 1000 and 2800. Accordingly, some unknown no-name offers me a service for 300 rubles, I suggested that he check my friend who had a rare card
How sellers start on the darknet.
Multichel:
Most, let's call it that, well-known, long-registered sellers on the Darknet, often started with some nonsense. Well, that is, they were absolute beginners 3, 5, 7, 10 years ago and started with selling, for example, some unnamed Yandex maps, which they themselves went, for example, to the Yandex office, took for free and sold on the forum. Now they are 1000 rubles, but roughly 300, 500 rubles.
Somehow they looked around, built up a reputation. Often now these are very authoritative people who participate in such serious crimes as having stolen money. For me, this was always surprising. When a person went to the forum, not yet in Thor, but in the Clearnet, that is, when his original sources, IP addresses, some links are absolutely known, you can see where he is from.
For example, several years have passed, he has gained some authority due to honest work, and now he is earning very serious money, but the understanding of who he is and how to find him, the thread, it is there. And so, by the way, a lot of people.
How to advance your career in the darknet.
Multichel:
So, I can say for sure that if you work calmly, honestly, do not freeze people with long answers, your career in the Darknet forum will go by leaps and bounds.
That is, if you have some kind of service, it is difficult to find a buyer on that very first day, month, but when some movement has finally started, when at least some buyers have appeared, and you know some of them that they are authoritative people, due to their recommendations, due to some understanding of how everything works, you will 100% earn money in the darknet. I believe that only those people who are either on drugs or who are initially so lazy in life and do everything so casually do not earn this.
That is, what you do in ordinary life at work, say, as an official, where you are forced to retype a piece of paper for the wrong letter, and you get 50 thousand, here you will get much more.
Pavlovich:
But don't go against the criminal code, that's the most important thing.
Multichel:
Here's what's important, let's say you're 20-30 years old, you need to plan your life for a certain period. Why are you going to the Darknet? Maybe you're so sick of being someone unknown, and you've decided that this is your biography, but you'll be very careful, you won't just not get caught, you'll initially avoid those places where you can earn a million in a month, but also go to jail for 10 years, that is, you've decided, for example, that you'll earn 100, but without any fear.
Often you can even make a decision that you're not afraid of the police, but that is, accept as a given that I work, for example, I sell something, I come into contact with criminals, and accordingly, it's likely that an operational group will arrive someday or the police will call and ask questions, but I get 3-4 times more.
Initially after this I get such a perk, for example, I immediately get beautiful women, that is, as if looking for a woman, better look for money, the woman will find you herself. Well, that is, your financial situation has changed qualitatively, you yourself understand what you are risking. For example, you do not have children, and you are not a very terrible suspended sentence, that is, it will not affect their biography when entering somewhere, well, just as an option.
You start working in the Darknet, you have life partners, often life partners I have with good data, she indicates you, for example, that she does not want to work, you have a certain thing that many men strive for, when everything is dedicated to him. That is, when you predicted all this before the start on the Internet, based on my words, you understand that there is money there, there is a shortage of people now, you do not get into all serious things, that is, you immediately dismiss, for example, courier work, drug trafficking,
because, as we discussed in one of the last issues of courier work, theoretically you have 100-200 thousand a day, and your employer literally drives you a ton of orders, that is, you can roughly stick an apartment there from work in a month, but the probability of not getting caught is very small, but even when our police learn to work, well, using the example of the city
of Voronezh, it will look like any granny who was screwed over or any money that was withdrawn from a bank account through a terminal needs to be sent to the customer. They are all sent, well, most are sent through Tinkoff ATMs, there are 13 of them in the city of Voronezh.
Accordingly, the police have huge staffs, put two cadets at each terminal on a permanent basis, who record all those who approach, you will catch all the couriers in no time, that is, there would be, as they say, political will. And now, after all, some couriers work and somehow manage to move around the country without getting caught. But this is a very dangerous job. If you set your sights on it, well, slug in hand. In principle, I initially do not approve of such activity.
By the way,
Pavlovich is speaking:
We are talking about couriers who take money with any offer and then under the chains.
Multichel:
They forward, right? I think that the courier you made once, probably will not be caught. But just to get a job as a courier, he also has to meet the conditions, for example, make a deposit of 200-300 thousand. And as I already said, a person in the Darknet often comes to a situation that fuck, everything is lost, he cannot get these 200-300 thousand, and usually a group of people finds money somewhere, pitches in, and where the group is, there is someone continuing to work, in general, it is so addictive that it is very difficult not to go to jail, this is again my assumption.
And the same goes for couriers, for drug trafficking. All steps are calculated, there are few options.
Pavlovich:
By the way, don't forget that there have always been and are operatives on forums all over the world, and the Americans developed us like that, and the IB group sits there with well-developed accounts, yes, maybe even a moderator or admins allow them in some sections and so on. And law enforcement officers do the same. Another issue is that in Russia there is a lot of criminality on the Internet, including, and there are very few law enforcement officers who are qualified, not lazy, motivated.
Accordingly, why such a rampant, a boom in crime. And I don't know how it is here in the Russian Federation, but from personal experience in the States, they are interested in major figures, leaders of all kinds of groups, including online groups, because, well, having eliminated several major figures, they can, in principle, put an entire industry on its shoulder blades, yes.
And here, as I understand it, well, apparently, some kind of supreme criminality, for example, this is GIDRS, how long it simply existed, either crumbles, or was created by itself, there are assumptions, by law enforcement agencies, yes, and so on. And, accordingly, who do they take here? Well, ordinary couriers, but for them to take a whole drug syndicate, let's say, But we practically do not see such news, and this is apparently such
a multifaceted problem that unwillingness, plus the lack of collected employees, plus many criminals you can't tear yourself apart for everyone, and this is what gives rise to, but in any case their duty, yes, they sit on every more or less large forum, and when communicating you do not know who is on the other end of the line, naturally.
How the police shut down services.
Multichel:
When a layman goes to the police department with a statement, having watched movies and TV series, he expects that the entire police department will immediately rush to look for someone, someone needs his problems, something will be sorted out, well, that is, roughly speaking, as it was said in "Master Margarita" "send three motorcycles with machine guns urgently, we need to look for so-and-so." The police department, unfortunately, works on different principles, they have their own internal team, they have their own internal paperwork, they don't give a damn about this person.
Accordingly, I believe that the rampant DARK crime is connected with the fact that they absolutely don't give a damn about the victims, and basically people who either exploded, or, in general, from some kind of bad luck are caught. If you take one of the latest police releases, try to decipher it, so to speak.
So, four people are being detained who were selling vouchers to a non-existent boarding house in Abkhazia. The arrest is going on as usual, with the doors being knocked down, with this thunder being broken in. And our beautiful Wolf stands there and tells us that this and that, the scoundrels were selling. And she blames them, blames them personally, and continues.
During the search, 2800 bank cards are confiscated and shown. They show 500 phones, and the phones are only flashlights. Well, that is, not smartphones, but flashlights. About 300 or so stamps, and when you order a stamp on the illegal market, you only get a rubber band, not this badge, but only a rubber band.
And there are stamps ready for use. A huge number of SIM cards. Listen, when selling fake vouchers to a non-existent boarding house, you don’t need 2800 cards. They detained people for this crap, they blew up somewhere, but the cops will unravel why they need 2800 cards or not, I don’t know. But I think that it is quite possible to connect this news with the disappearance of some service from Dark Money, from a duplicate or from some other resource.
That is, definitely.
Pavlovich:
It is not clear what they were actually doing.
Multichel:
The question is whether they will be able to pull it off or not, that is, even if you are a large drop project, collect 2800 cards for sale.
Pavlovich:
That’s a lot, that’s a lot.
Multichel:
Listen, even in terms of money, even if you pay a drop 3,000 rubles for a card, and here they most likely bought these cards because it was clear how they were lying around, that they were not ready for sale, you can get confused bag after bag, each card has a new PIN code, SIM cards are linked, that is, when you sell a card, you have information about each card there, that is, you lost the piece of paper, you're screwed, consider that you don't have a card. General Wolf is talking about some boarding house, and you understand, well, what kind of damage is there, well, they screwed 10 people for, well, let's say 100 thousand each, for a million, they have a card for several million.
Cards that live for a short time, that is, some large service was busted, what it does, I don’t know, cashed out or not, but there are only 4 of them, 4 people, 2800 cards, well, you physically can’t shove them anywhere, you’re not the many-armed Shiva, right, that is, most likely, this is some huge illegal structure, what it does, I can’t say, I’m just deciphering the police report that they caught at the same time, but in fact they caught something big.
Pavlovich:
This happens often. I agree. The traffic cops stopped someone simply figuratively for not wearing a seat belt or for driving through a red light, and then hop, you see some seasoned criminal, but he got caught figuratively for wearing a seat belt.
Multichel:
Maybe he hasn’t been caught, my friends haven’t been caught. There is a clear opinion that if you work in the Darknet, and at least once you were exposed somewhere, got caught doing something, well, that is, got caught seriously, when something was filed against you in the databases, in the future, in any fuss, you will be on the watch list, under control. It's just that the police teach them this at school, at the police school, about repeat offenses.
A friend of mine once took on collectors a long time ago, and for a large sum, he was already released, but if some robbery or robbery took place in the area, and of a private person and obviously some alcoholic, well, that is, the volumes there are completely different, and an operative came to his home and quietly asked what he was doing then. Well, that is, in short, here, it would seem, economic crime, but the essence is this, that is, if you are in trouble somewhere, then slow down.
Well, I mean, you can't get involved in obvious crime anymore. I also have an opinion that for obvious crimes not related to personal injury, like physical injury, there are only suspended sentences. That's my opinion. That is, if you planted 0.5 grams of drugs, you can go to prison for 7-8 years, and if you scammed people on Avito for a million, you will most likely get 3-4 years probation.
That's how our legislation works, and for now it works that way. I'm not calling for scamming people on Avito, I'm just saying that the punishments for crimes on the Darknet are very lenient now. I believe that the courts and judges don't understand them, and they often live in some kind of Soviet times, that is, they are far from everything, that is, strangers are hackers for them. If they found 100 bank cards on a person, the judge may well consider him a hacker in his head.
Well, that is, it does not connect a technical person or one who cashes money. Now I will tell you about the intersection, so to speak, of people of the old formation with people of the new formation.
Pavlovich:
Since my entry into the forums is one of the last, there is a generational difference between them and me, well, 20 years, consider, plus or minus, yes, I see, fucking, such idiots already, aggressive, do not want to learn anything, that they attack everyone, each other, me, there are such things, this is in the piggy bank of many forums. Why am I not present anywhere in principle, although somehow even there four years ago the situation was a little different.
Multichel:
Different, the audience was different.
Pavlovich:
Even there four years ago, when the channel started, shared some videos, somehow everything was friendlier, and I do not understand what has changed in the last literally four years.
Multichel:
It has changed, yes, it is difficult to explain, but it really has changed. The story happened several years ago. In every city there is...
What services are provided in today's darknet, how much money is made on it, what forums do sellers use, how can an ordinary person get into this market, choose a niche, start working and earn money on it - this and much more in this interview.
Enjoy reading!
Contents:
- Introduction
- About the number of services on the darknet
- About white services in the darknet
- Why don't they create new forums?
- What is the difference between white and dark work
- How to make money at a bookmaker's office
- Who goes to work in the darknet
- How to make money on a mobile phone store
- How to write to an employer correctly
- Why are mobile phone store workers jailed?
- How to find the right topic for earning money
- How Darknet Sellers Get Started
- How to boost your career on the darknet
- How the police shut down services
Introduction.
Pavlovich:
Friends, hello! Multichel, Mr. Vendetta, started his own channel, by the way, there will be streams now. Prepare your questions, yes, we will divide them by topic. Stream on one topic, on the second, on the third, where our dear friend will answer for several hours, in principle, any of your questions, and I will go smoke a hookah at this time, yes, well, maybe I will join you and therefore fly right away to his channel.
Here even under this issue we will already place and accordingly during the streams we will give a link to his channel and you will be able to directly communicate and ask any questions especially considering that the person is much older than many of you and more experienced and so on you can, in principle, be interested and even ask for advice in some life situations I do not see any problems in this well and today we have services in the darknet review of different services who provides them about some legendary figures of course let's talk So, let's go.
About the number of services in the darknet.
Multichel:
Hello. So, the research that is periodically conducted on the darknet usually gives such figures that the number of services of various focuses from cashing out to selling SIM cards and other things is about 5-6 thousand services at one point.
But they are unique, something is repeated, right? Well, something is, of course, repeated, that is, for example, 20 services sell SIM cards, and the cashing out of services can be 200, 300 or 400, and so on.
Pavlovich:
And what is the most?
Multichel:
Listen, I can’t say, I haven’t counted. Probably exchangers? If we consider drug store services, then probably drug store. But they are not considered services in my understanding, this is a completely different market. I mean services on the darknet that are not directly related to the sale of drugs, to direct crime.
Pavlovich:
Well, in short, carding, crime, all sorts of cashing out, that’s what we’re talking about now.
Multichel:
Yes, and the fact that they service carding, cashing out and crime, that is, both the services themselves that service them and the service organizations that service them, that is, there is a whole bunch of what each other helps each other do.
About white services on the darknet.
Pavlovich:
By the way, I will make a small remark, look, there was a carding market there, I had my own forum, for example, and so on, but there was always a whole series of all kinds of service, well, not personnel, so to speak, but auxiliary ones who themselves were not involved in crime, I had designers who draw and create websites, translators are constantly needed there, and so on, that is, they do not seem to be involved in cashing out, essentially white
activity and quite well, of course, it is possible in Belarus they would have attracted them there you created a carding forum design yes, that is, you knew what it was for but in general it is difficult to attract them and considering that the market is rich the same criminal near criminal that is, prices could always be bent x2, x3, and no one really bargained.
Multichel:
Yes, you basically got ahead of my next phrase that work on servicing any criminal business is a very profitable job financially and often absolutely safe. A person who is engaged in white activities will not pay you so much, a person who is engaged in something related to mining, with illegal mining of money, you are usually paid more, yes for one of the reasons that he simply earns a lot. Because now most criminal businesses are on the rise, they have a good income.
If you look at the number of registered accounts on the darknet, their number is more than two million registered. But the thing is, how to count registered, if a person was banned, it is an account, not an account, if a person created 10 or 100 accounts for work, that is, I believe that there are, roughly speaking, 100 thousand unique market participants.
- Unique, plus or minus in all directions, but there are many accounts, and often they are repeated, i.e. some authoritative account in cashing has one name, and next to it an exchanger with a different name is advertised, and in principle it is the same person, but different accounts, and it is not connected in any way, they cannot be connected in any way.
Pavlovich:
Well, that's what I did, for example, I sold documents from one name, credit cards from another, some services from a third nickname, yes, and no one knew, in principle, that it was my one, and I just recommended ordering documents from this one and so on and so forth, that is, a certain trust and it turns out that I drained traffic from three accounts in a circle, looped them together. Is it possible to earn $500 a week, and what if without carding or webcam bookmarks?
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Why don't they create new forums.
Multichel:
If you take away forums with a lot of technicians, I mean, where there are programmers, some technical knowledge is needed, take forums not related to drugs, which are still tied to offline, you can count them. There are a maximum of 50 to 100 of them, but at the same time 80 of them, roughly speaking out of the 100 that I indicated, are practically dead, non-live forums.
There are absolutely the same participants who are represented on large live forums, that is, the same audience, but there are no more than 10 real workers, and even, probably, a little less. That is, in short, the market is quite narrow, quite well-known, often I see newcomers coming who are trying to find some incomprehensible, useless, unique forum in the Darknet, causing thoughtless questions, why do you need it, what doesn’t suit you here, all the same things are presented there.
It is very difficult to start a new Darknet forum, very expensive, and they do not appear. For 10 years I have been watching how someone tried to pick up and develop something, but how to drag a good, competent user from the Darkmoney forum to any other forum is unclear.
The only thing that could have happened, for example, if Darkmoney were closed. Yes, indeed, people would have a question of where to go. Or it would lie under DOS all the time. There were such stages, very calmly perceived by the participants. Darkmoney lay under DOS, in my memory, could lie for 7 days, and 10, but everything was perceived very calmly, although Although people have large deposits there, but in general the point is that there are only a few living forums with traffic
the number can be said to be slightly more than the fingers on one hand, well, okay, the fingers on both hands, and all the other forums theoretically exist, but practically do not. Well, for example, as I mentioned in one of the previous issues, there is Vasya 80's forum, yes, he formed a community there, several dozen of his, well, not fans, but simply with people with whom he worked, but that's all, that is, development I will now operate only with forums that are well-known, known, that is, this is a duplicate of Darkmoney, breaking through the water. Are the flashers alive? Flashers, all sorts of anti-flashers appear there, etc., etc., I do not belong to the criminal forums of the MMGP, that is, the forum of various schemes, I am rather exactly where people are really tied to crime and earn some money.
If we take the respected Alinochka, whom I have already mentioned, who has been selling scans all over the Internet for many years, her support team raises her advertisements on about 50 forums every day.
Pavlovich:
Raises how? That is, writes a new message there?
Multichel:
There is a raise button, it does not even update anything. If earlier some people wrote I will raise, and the message was added to his counter, now, so that there is no empty stuffing of messages, there is just a click of a button and they rise. And since usually any service has not only one service, but a second, third, fifth, often 7-8 advertisements are raised at once, approximately on the same subject. That is, they have a support team whose duty it is to raise these 50 advertisements, but in fact, of course, the work is done on old clients and on several literally key forums.
What does raising on those forums give, I do not know, but if it rises, then there is some kind of cane.
What is the difference between white and dark work.
Multichel:
Today we will try to consider the question of whether it makes sense for a person who is watching the program to go into the darknet, whether he will earn money there or not, what he will earn, what are the risks.
Pavlovich:
The main responsibility.
Multichel:
Not always, we were just talking about servicing criminals, that is, when you are not involved in crime, but only serving them. I would like to digress for a second, for example, I do not have a definitive answer to the question of whether working with a bookmaker makes you a criminal or not. A huge market is tied to servicing bookmakers. But when a person uses other people's accounts and tries to deceive a bookmaker in some way, is that a crime
or not?
Pavlovich:
In general, yes. Listen, it's like when bookmakers, you come tomorrow and say, here's a scheme, here's a group, here are specific individuals who are cheating you out of a million dollars a month, they'll say, we don't give a shit, these are real cases, they're not interested at all, and if you come to the cops with the same scheme, they'll say, what the hell, who, why, we don't have any statements from the victims, we don't need this at all.
That is, in Belarus they close based on the fact, that is, no statements are needed, that's it, there is a fact of committing a crime, that's it, they closed you, they unraveled the whole group, they got stars on their shoulder straps and that's it, in Russia no one cares, that's really it.
How do they make money on a bookmaker's office.
Multichel:
If we take bookmakers specifically, a few days ago I posted my question in the bookmaker section on the DarkMoney website. About 300 people looked at it, I received only one sane answer, or rather, there were no other answers in principle.
Pavlovich:
Now the guys will quickly figure out your act on Darkman.
Multichel:
Yes, it is normal, ordinary. I just want to say that I can ask this question now or bookmaker experts, or lawyers, if they answer in the comments, it would be interesting. So, I have a friend who has been playing in the booth for many years, sits at the computer, watches a lot of football, hockey, and in the last year, at least a year, he has gotten used to betting in the booth after a goal.
That is, the event has already happened, and it is still burning on the screen. He makes a bet, and in half the cases the bet is accepted, in half the cases of the accepted bet they also calculate in plus. That is, not a refund, but in plus. Naturally, his card, issued to him, has long been cut. What does cut mean? First, when you play Live, in this case in that office the card, well, it is a game account, but there you insert the card into the computer.
The point is that when you are cut, specifically in their office, in Live your bet is accepted for 30 seconds, 40, 50, that is, not instantly. And the second thing is that you can’t bet 10 thousand, you bet 500 rubles, 100 or 200. All these people get under the skin of operators well, they play on other people’s cards and receive payments, naturally, on other people’s cards up to a certain point.
But the office blocks these, and these, and these cards. I got interested in this issue, came up to him, asked, show me the statistics. He shows me that for him, for example, 10 came in after goals in a month. But that is, it was not specifically related to a goal, a puck, but rather some bookmaker event. There, I don’t know, a card that will start from the center of the field, well, that kind of crap. And, in short, the maximum bet he could place was one and a half thousand for odds of 2 or 3.
A person sits in a bookmaker's office all day long and, basically, what I just said means that he has 20, 30, 40 thousand guaranteed money stuck there. And when he got a new card on a new person, which happened to him twice, he managed to bet 10 thousand for odds of 3 and 3 with something, and this happened after a goal. In his case, the amount turns out to be quite significant - several tens of thousands of rubles, and after two bets the card is cut.
I just asked a question on Darkman, look, they say that a person is a gamer and he does not see far, does not count like in chess, that is, he roughly jerks off this situation, instead of thinking how to develop it. That is, so far I see that during the year the office has not closed this hole, one. Accordingly, it means that it needs to be developed. How to develop it? From any university, it is really very easy for you to get 100 students.
That is, it is possible to collect new cards, and with operators, so that they turn a blind eye to some banal things, it is possible. It is possible to agree with students that they personally deposit money and they personally receive payment, that is, for a video camera with a passport, but such a question arises, elementary, gentlemen, your opinion, first, legality, when en masse,
and second, is there an account, does it make sense to pump up a student account with some banal left bets, so that it survives not two bets, or one, but say five or ten, just to calculate the market, and from the words of my friend who sits in the office, the bets that are on the computer and the bets that are on the smartphone are the same errors, that is, in principle, this thing can be a line at the same time, well, you never know, that is, in principle, theoretically it is practically possible there 10 bets on after the goal, I think you have all heard about the bot.
Multichel:
And my next question was, again on this topic, does it make sense to draw a separate scanner for this office. Well, that is, they didn't answer me, but if you see this question in our issue now, I'm interested in your opinion, but at the same time, if you write a comment, please indicate there, first, I'm a lawyer, 5 years of experience, well, I'm exaggerating, or I'm a player, I've been screwing companies for so long, that is, I have
experience, my words can be trusted, or I'm 18 years old, this is my opinion.
Pavlovich:
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Who's going to work in the darknet.
Multichel:
My opinion is that now, offline, online, darknet, and in everyday life, the number of people has dropped sharply, but that is, there are few people, and in principle, there is a shortage of them in the darknet, namely as competent professional employees. I believe that there are three main categories of people who can go to the darknet.
I will give an example about the first category. There is a famous lawyer Olga Romanova from Russia "Sitting". She says that people turn to us at a stage when a person is in prison, which means that the money for a lawyer was borrowed somewhere or borrowed from relatives, a lawyer was hired who successfully appropriated this money, did not do anything special, the financial resources ran out, a sentence will soon be passed and it will most likely be guilty, the lawyer withdrew himself, relatives come to us, the case is clearly unfair, what to do? Sometimes people in complete despair appear in the Darknet, urgently need money, help, urgently earn money, ready for anything. If you dig deeper into this person, he has a ton of debts to microfinance organizations, a ton of debts to banks, in general, he is a complete mess and I have no advice for this person.
I have such people in my personal messages once a week. I have absolutely no advice for this person, maybe just go to a sect, survive a year or six months, somehow solve some other problems on his own, because Because his problem is not in money, not in the money earned at the moment, that is, you can’t hide from yourself, you can’t run away from yourself. And I know for sure people who are being given a million now, but he has already outlined these problems, he will misuse it, he will either lose it there, or instead of developing, he will give it to debts.
But that is, there will be a cycle of foolishness in nature, that is, I have no advice for such people. Therefore, there are two more categories of people left. The first one goes to the darknet to work for someone, and the second one goes to the darknet to open something of her own and be the owner, that is, to earn a lot. You open the criminal code, see what threatens you. And if there is a task, you will definitely break through.
There are a huge number of intermediaries in the Darknet. Restoring a SIM card is immediately a criminal offense. Look for a woman, better look for money, right? The woman will find you herself. 2800 bank cards were seized during the search.
How to make money on a mobile phone store.
Multichel:
Let's say you are a young man and you get a job in a mobile phone store where you can verify Qiwi and Yandex wallets.
If you get a job and work for a person from the darknet, you have a salary of 40 thousand there, and you can verify 5 Qiwi wallets, 5 Yandex wallets per day, you will be paid roughly from 200 to 300 rubles per wallet, this is your bonus. If you go there because you need some kind of your own topic with these wallets, or vice versa, you set aside time, contacted directly with consumers of these wallets, for example, with electronic exchangers directly,
it is clear that they will not answer you at once, there are a lot of ghouls who want to screw them over, that is, to break through to them and prove that you want to work, that is a separate story. But if you did this, what do we get? You can sell a wallet for about 1000 rubles per wallet. In a day, I repeat, you have 5 Kiwi, 5 Yandex. You work 20 days, that is, with the right work you will get a salary of 40 thousand, selling to one person, that is, not risking anything, that is, when your wallets are not distributed throughout the darknet to one person, you can glue a very decent amount.
What is this plan? It's not that it's bad, it should be thought out. For example, now, in December, you set yourself such a goal. Your task, firstly, is to understand that you will find a job, secondly, to find a job, and thirdly, to pester exchangers, offering this service, not paying attention to all the people who want to buy from you for 150, 200 rubles.
You have the opportunity to hold out, there, the product in the refrigerator, yes, well, that is, for these 40 thousand that you earn. Literally in a month or two you get a customer, you do not need any intermediaries, and you, stupidly working in a mobile phone store, where verification is possible, will have a very, very serious income. My opinion is that 100-200 thousand in addition to the salary is a very serious income for a young person.
Pavlovich:
I verified at Svyaznoy, I think, or at Euroset, verified Yandex and Qiwi, yes, I think, even in one store, if my memory serves me right. I came with a passport, and that's it.
Multichel:
I understand, but they have no more than five per day, the limit is set not by the salon, but by Qiwi or Yandex itself, so that there is no corruption, that is, when one person is brought a hundred wallets, he verifies them. Just why? If you have time, you have brains, you first find an idea of what you will do, you understand what customers are there, the next thing you do is open the criminal code, see what you are threatened with, then you begin ... And what is the threat, by the way?
Listen, exactly in terms of wallets, you are threatened with being kicked out of the office and that's it, there is absolutely no threat that you did something according to the scans, but if you went crazy and working in a mobile phone salon, bought into such a bait as restoring a SIM card, restoring a SIM card is always theft of money, or rather, as always, more than 90 percent of restoring a SIM card is theft of either money or data,
that is, it is very bad.
Pavlovich:
Well, some sensitive data, Telegram channels are stealing it and so on.
Multichel:
Depending on how stupid you are and the region where all this is happening, I repeat, the money at the bus station in Abakan is one thing, in Moscow it is different. Be guided by the fact that they pay 15 thousand for this, but they will fire you, possibly with a criminal record after a suspended sentence of a month or two, you will stick it there, you made 5-7 orders, here are 100 thousand. You make these wallets, you do not meddle in anything serious, that is, you do not do any detailing, punching for anyone.
He just got a job at the exchanger. There are thousands of exchangers. If you have a task, you must get in touch with them. Firstly, clients write to them every day, that is, there is a large mail turnover, and secondly, a lot of people write who want to cooperate with them, a lot of scammers write. I do not know how to break through, but if there are tasks, then you will definitely break through.
How to write to an employer correctly.
Multichel: naturally, not saying that the card is rare, I received data on all of my friend's accounts, saw that this card was really there, I realized that the person was in control of the situation, and began to cooperate with him, to my surprise, the cooperation lasted, probably, a year, the price was 300 rubles, everything was sold en masse nearby, for 1000, for 1500, for 2800. Well, that is, this person simply could not somehow offer himself correctly, he was probably the original source, he could also sell all of this for other money, all the rest are resellers.
Here is such a task, you will get into exchangers. There is one nuance, of course, in our modern life. People don't read now. That is, for example, if you made such a sheet of text, they read it diagonally, often don't understand half of it, and, let's say, in this sheet there are, for example, three or four important points, they don't pay attention to them, that is, the eye passes by, you seem to have written everything,
everything is important, and often in the subsequent correspondence they ask you what you were asking about, so I recommend voice messages.
Pavlovich:
Voice messages are also not from the start, when some stranger writes me voice messages, and I, as a rule, have no desire to even listen to them.
Multichel:
I understand, there must be some kind of bait.
Pavlovich:
Some kind of text step, a couple of lines, I will record a voice message on such and such a question, listen to it, well, that's it, it is already clear whether it is worth listening to or not. But some write 10-20 voice messages, and not 5-10 minutes. Maybe there is a very important question there for him, for me, for both of us, but I just won't listen to it.
What are mobile phone store workers jailed for?
Multichel:
I absolutely agree. But I repeat, you can get involved in anything. You must have some kind of financial reserve and some kind of plan. And I repeat, you need to look at criminal liability. Or, in principle, what is the practice, if you get caught somewhere, what are you threatened with? Let's say they won't hire you anymore at this hypothetical Svyaznoy.
And if you, working somewhere in a mobile phone store, look at someone else's detailing, you are paid conditionally from 1000 to 2 for it, reselling it on the market for 8, all the bumps will then fall on you.
Pavlovich:
Yes, they jail people all the time, that's what they started after Navalny...
Multichel :
Listen, they don't jail me for this, it's a suspended sentence.
Pavlovich:
Well, they will give all sorts of boats, but I mean there are convictions, because in the channel he is at the agonist data lix there I constantly read he posts every week there they convicted an employee of such and such and as a rule there before 5 7 10 punching they all do not live long, the fact that in principle it is clear who punched through whom all these requests to the database are lagged and if there, for example, you work Ilya in that in a cellular salon and in the salon it is known there are two punchings per day as part of official activities, and here 20 goes, well it is clear that some kind of special surveillance needs to be established for you.
Multichel:
Well, you yourself should understand once again that verification of wallets there is one thing, that's ugh, restoring a SIM card is immediately a criminal offense, and a serious criminal offense at that, and if you do a breakdown for someone or check data, well, it's not good, you'll definitely get caught, because you won't limit yourself to this earned thousand or two, they'll send you more orders, that is, it's likely that you'll get into trouble when you work for an uncle, almost 100%.
Whoever the uncle is, for one simple reason they all resell each other. There are a huge number of intermediaries on the darknet. The presence of some nice account, a large deposit under the account does not mean absolutely nothing. That is, a person, for example, earns well on cashing out, but at the same time started some parallel service for checking, made a deposit there, this does not mean that he is some big, serious, he can just constantly resell from someone.
When working with someone, you must understand that this data does not go to this person, with whom everything has always been smooth, you trust him, he then resells.
How to find the right topic for earning.
Multichel:
That is, returning to the topic that there are two types, if you want to enter the darknet, you serve someone or you enter in order to do it yourself, that is, some of your own service, and if you climb again on the site Duplicate, DarkMoney and look at such not quite typical dark activities, for example, making seals, selling SIM cards, by the way, a typical activity, you will see that the sellers have a long-standing registration, they are engaged in the same thing, that is, you can go to the profile of each seller and see what he writes, and you see that the person has 100 messages or 200, they are all the same, they sell SIM cards, they do not change, they go from year to year, and what can this mean?
That this market is stable, constant, not touched by the cops, not at all, will you be able to get into this market? Well, for example, there are 5-10 SIM card sellers, well, if you are somehow a dealer or connected with dealers, that is, there is some kind of constant source, that is, some kind of exclusivity, yes, you can, I'm not sure that you will earn a lot of money.
If you conduct an experiment and write to all these people a request for some kind of SIM cards, the average response time is 2-3-4 hours. I am also sure that they mainly use these accounts to search for rare new clients, and everyone else mainly works with established ones, that is, those that were bought on the forum 5-7-3 years ago. That is, this is such an advertisement, not right now, what does this mean?
What if you open a new ad on the forum with the same services? Get ready for a long-long-long search for clients, no one new will run to you, you need to write everywhere, you need to twitch everywhere. I have quite a wealth of experience posting various ads on dark topic forums, I will say this, they stopped answering not me personally, but in principle, it was the communication that went away.
That is, there are people who professionally understand any issue. Debit cards, debit cards for scans, cashing out, SIM cards, they don't answer, you posted some topic or with a question, or with a sale, they don't get through, that is, they are already on the forums, they are literally squinting quietly. That is, if you want to get some information - a hammering. Or write directly, if you want to sell - write directly.
I understand that this is spam, but it's your problem, how will you solve this issue.
Pavlovich:
I got through the eye of God and came home to him.
Multichel:
So, if you have some exclusive service, and you offer it on the Darkforum, a moderator will definitely intercept it. It will look like, the topic is closed for verification, contact me. You contact the moderator, he checks it, if you really have some kind of exclusive, the moderator immediately says - I'm opening a topic, and from another account, which seems to be unrelated to the operator, they start selling your topic, knowing that they will buy from you with some kind of markup.
If you are not active, then your ad literally in 2-3 days goes to the next page, and an interested buyer, he is usually lazy, he simply will not find you. I already gave an example in one of our first issues, when I needed the service of having accounts opened for a person. And I wrote to about 10 services and combed through 3 or 4 pages on this topic, well, I am in the right section.
On the fourth page, I found an absolutely unremarkable account that offered this service, it asked for 300 rubles, and the services where I wrote asked for an average of that money, then the moderator asked from 1000 and 2800. Accordingly, some unknown no-name offers me a service for 300 rubles, I suggested that he check my friend who had a rare card
How sellers start on the darknet.
Multichel:
Most, let's call it that, well-known, long-registered sellers on the Darknet, often started with some nonsense. Well, that is, they were absolute beginners 3, 5, 7, 10 years ago and started with selling, for example, some unnamed Yandex maps, which they themselves went, for example, to the Yandex office, took for free and sold on the forum. Now they are 1000 rubles, but roughly 300, 500 rubles.
Somehow they looked around, built up a reputation. Often now these are very authoritative people who participate in such serious crimes as having stolen money. For me, this was always surprising. When a person went to the forum, not yet in Thor, but in the Clearnet, that is, when his original sources, IP addresses, some links are absolutely known, you can see where he is from.
For example, several years have passed, he has gained some authority due to honest work, and now he is earning very serious money, but the understanding of who he is and how to find him, the thread, it is there. And so, by the way, a lot of people.
How to advance your career in the darknet.
Multichel:
So, I can say for sure that if you work calmly, honestly, do not freeze people with long answers, your career in the Darknet forum will go by leaps and bounds.
That is, if you have some kind of service, it is difficult to find a buyer on that very first day, month, but when some movement has finally started, when at least some buyers have appeared, and you know some of them that they are authoritative people, due to their recommendations, due to some understanding of how everything works, you will 100% earn money in the darknet. I believe that only those people who are either on drugs or who are initially so lazy in life and do everything so casually do not earn this.
That is, what you do in ordinary life at work, say, as an official, where you are forced to retype a piece of paper for the wrong letter, and you get 50 thousand, here you will get much more.
Pavlovich:
But don't go against the criminal code, that's the most important thing.
Multichel:
Here's what's important, let's say you're 20-30 years old, you need to plan your life for a certain period. Why are you going to the Darknet? Maybe you're so sick of being someone unknown, and you've decided that this is your biography, but you'll be very careful, you won't just not get caught, you'll initially avoid those places where you can earn a million in a month, but also go to jail for 10 years, that is, you've decided, for example, that you'll earn 100, but without any fear.
Often you can even make a decision that you're not afraid of the police, but that is, accept as a given that I work, for example, I sell something, I come into contact with criminals, and accordingly, it's likely that an operational group will arrive someday or the police will call and ask questions, but I get 3-4 times more.
Initially after this I get such a perk, for example, I immediately get beautiful women, that is, as if looking for a woman, better look for money, the woman will find you herself. Well, that is, your financial situation has changed qualitatively, you yourself understand what you are risking. For example, you do not have children, and you are not a very terrible suspended sentence, that is, it will not affect their biography when entering somewhere, well, just as an option.
You start working in the Darknet, you have life partners, often life partners I have with good data, she indicates you, for example, that she does not want to work, you have a certain thing that many men strive for, when everything is dedicated to him. That is, when you predicted all this before the start on the Internet, based on my words, you understand that there is money there, there is a shortage of people now, you do not get into all serious things, that is, you immediately dismiss, for example, courier work, drug trafficking,
because, as we discussed in one of the last issues of courier work, theoretically you have 100-200 thousand a day, and your employer literally drives you a ton of orders, that is, you can roughly stick an apartment there from work in a month, but the probability of not getting caught is very small, but even when our police learn to work, well, using the example of the city
of Voronezh, it will look like any granny who was screwed over or any money that was withdrawn from a bank account through a terminal needs to be sent to the customer. They are all sent, well, most are sent through Tinkoff ATMs, there are 13 of them in the city of Voronezh.
Accordingly, the police have huge staffs, put two cadets at each terminal on a permanent basis, who record all those who approach, you will catch all the couriers in no time, that is, there would be, as they say, political will. And now, after all, some couriers work and somehow manage to move around the country without getting caught. But this is a very dangerous job. If you set your sights on it, well, slug in hand. In principle, I initially do not approve of such activity.
By the way,
Pavlovich is speaking:
We are talking about couriers who take money with any offer and then under the chains.
Multichel:
They forward, right? I think that the courier you made once, probably will not be caught. But just to get a job as a courier, he also has to meet the conditions, for example, make a deposit of 200-300 thousand. And as I already said, a person in the Darknet often comes to a situation that fuck, everything is lost, he cannot get these 200-300 thousand, and usually a group of people finds money somewhere, pitches in, and where the group is, there is someone continuing to work, in general, it is so addictive that it is very difficult not to go to jail, this is again my assumption.
And the same goes for couriers, for drug trafficking. All steps are calculated, there are few options.
Pavlovich:
By the way, don't forget that there have always been and are operatives on forums all over the world, and the Americans developed us like that, and the IB group sits there with well-developed accounts, yes, maybe even a moderator or admins allow them in some sections and so on. And law enforcement officers do the same. Another issue is that in Russia there is a lot of criminality on the Internet, including, and there are very few law enforcement officers who are qualified, not lazy, motivated.
Accordingly, why such a rampant, a boom in crime. And I don't know how it is here in the Russian Federation, but from personal experience in the States, they are interested in major figures, leaders of all kinds of groups, including online groups, because, well, having eliminated several major figures, they can, in principle, put an entire industry on its shoulder blades, yes.
And here, as I understand it, well, apparently, some kind of supreme criminality, for example, this is GIDRS, how long it simply existed, either crumbles, or was created by itself, there are assumptions, by law enforcement agencies, yes, and so on. And, accordingly, who do they take here? Well, ordinary couriers, but for them to take a whole drug syndicate, let's say, But we practically do not see such news, and this is apparently such
a multifaceted problem that unwillingness, plus the lack of collected employees, plus many criminals you can't tear yourself apart for everyone, and this is what gives rise to, but in any case their duty, yes, they sit on every more or less large forum, and when communicating you do not know who is on the other end of the line, naturally.
How the police shut down services.
Multichel:
When a layman goes to the police department with a statement, having watched movies and TV series, he expects that the entire police department will immediately rush to look for someone, someone needs his problems, something will be sorted out, well, that is, roughly speaking, as it was said in "Master Margarita" "send three motorcycles with machine guns urgently, we need to look for so-and-so." The police department, unfortunately, works on different principles, they have their own internal team, they have their own internal paperwork, they don't give a damn about this person.
Accordingly, I believe that the rampant DARK crime is connected with the fact that they absolutely don't give a damn about the victims, and basically people who either exploded, or, in general, from some kind of bad luck are caught. If you take one of the latest police releases, try to decipher it, so to speak.
So, four people are being detained who were selling vouchers to a non-existent boarding house in Abkhazia. The arrest is going on as usual, with the doors being knocked down, with this thunder being broken in. And our beautiful Wolf stands there and tells us that this and that, the scoundrels were selling. And she blames them, blames them personally, and continues.
During the search, 2800 bank cards are confiscated and shown. They show 500 phones, and the phones are only flashlights. Well, that is, not smartphones, but flashlights. About 300 or so stamps, and when you order a stamp on the illegal market, you only get a rubber band, not this badge, but only a rubber band.
And there are stamps ready for use. A huge number of SIM cards. Listen, when selling fake vouchers to a non-existent boarding house, you don’t need 2800 cards. They detained people for this crap, they blew up somewhere, but the cops will unravel why they need 2800 cards or not, I don’t know. But I think that it is quite possible to connect this news with the disappearance of some service from Dark Money, from a duplicate or from some other resource.
That is, definitely.
Pavlovich:
It is not clear what they were actually doing.
Multichel:
The question is whether they will be able to pull it off or not, that is, even if you are a large drop project, collect 2800 cards for sale.
Pavlovich:
That’s a lot, that’s a lot.
Multichel:
Listen, even in terms of money, even if you pay a drop 3,000 rubles for a card, and here they most likely bought these cards because it was clear how they were lying around, that they were not ready for sale, you can get confused bag after bag, each card has a new PIN code, SIM cards are linked, that is, when you sell a card, you have information about each card there, that is, you lost the piece of paper, you're screwed, consider that you don't have a card. General Wolf is talking about some boarding house, and you understand, well, what kind of damage is there, well, they screwed 10 people for, well, let's say 100 thousand each, for a million, they have a card for several million.
Cards that live for a short time, that is, some large service was busted, what it does, I don’t know, cashed out or not, but there are only 4 of them, 4 people, 2800 cards, well, you physically can’t shove them anywhere, you’re not the many-armed Shiva, right, that is, most likely, this is some huge illegal structure, what it does, I can’t say, I’m just deciphering the police report that they caught at the same time, but in fact they caught something big.
Pavlovich:
This happens often. I agree. The traffic cops stopped someone simply figuratively for not wearing a seat belt or for driving through a red light, and then hop, you see some seasoned criminal, but he got caught figuratively for wearing a seat belt.
Multichel:
Maybe he hasn’t been caught, my friends haven’t been caught. There is a clear opinion that if you work in the Darknet, and at least once you were exposed somewhere, got caught doing something, well, that is, got caught seriously, when something was filed against you in the databases, in the future, in any fuss, you will be on the watch list, under control. It's just that the police teach them this at school, at the police school, about repeat offenses.
A friend of mine once took on collectors a long time ago, and for a large sum, he was already released, but if some robbery or robbery took place in the area, and of a private person and obviously some alcoholic, well, that is, the volumes there are completely different, and an operative came to his home and quietly asked what he was doing then. Well, that is, in short, here, it would seem, economic crime, but the essence is this, that is, if you are in trouble somewhere, then slow down.
Well, I mean, you can't get involved in obvious crime anymore. I also have an opinion that for obvious crimes not related to personal injury, like physical injury, there are only suspended sentences. That's my opinion. That is, if you planted 0.5 grams of drugs, you can go to prison for 7-8 years, and if you scammed people on Avito for a million, you will most likely get 3-4 years probation.
That's how our legislation works, and for now it works that way. I'm not calling for scamming people on Avito, I'm just saying that the punishments for crimes on the Darknet are very lenient now. I believe that the courts and judges don't understand them, and they often live in some kind of Soviet times, that is, they are far from everything, that is, strangers are hackers for them. If they found 100 bank cards on a person, the judge may well consider him a hacker in his head.
Well, that is, it does not connect a technical person or one who cashes money. Now I will tell you about the intersection, so to speak, of people of the old formation with people of the new formation.
Pavlovich:
Since my entry into the forums is one of the last, there is a generational difference between them and me, well, 20 years, consider, plus or minus, yes, I see, fucking, such idiots already, aggressive, do not want to learn anything, that they attack everyone, each other, me, there are such things, this is in the piggy bank of many forums. Why am I not present anywhere in principle, although somehow even there four years ago the situation was a little different.
Multichel:
Different, the audience was different.
Pavlovich:
Even there four years ago, when the channel started, shared some videos, somehow everything was friendlier, and I do not understand what has changed in the last literally four years.
Multichel:
It has changed, yes, it is difficult to explain, but it really has changed. The story happened several years ago. In every city there is...
