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DARKNET FORUMS.
Famous carder Sergey Pavlovich talks again with a mysterious masked man, who this time will tell us about various darknet forums, most of which are prohibited in the Russian Federation.
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Contents:
What forums will we consider
Pavlovich:
Friends, hello! New interview, glad to see you. And today we are talking about what you have asked about a hundred times already, and maybe more, about carding, hacking and other dark topics forums. Some of them have already sunk into oblivion, some are still alive. Well, that's all about forums today.
I am specifically talking about forums not with some minor, but with an adult uncle, who were created under you, many of them were created and many have already died under you. Yes, yes. So today we will talk about forums.
DupliЛФЕ, DarkMoney, Probiv, three-headed can be called a forum to some extent. So, where do we start?
Fraudster:
Let's start with the fact that, of course, it is impossible to embrace the immensity. Somewhere I know well, somewhere I know less. And I will try to tell my impressions for almost 10 years of observing the work on these forums, my conclusions and my life stories. I think you will find it interesting. Today I would like to tell you in detail about the Darkman forum.
A little less detail about the forums punching a duplicate, express my opinion on Hydra, on the WWH forum, "Migalki", "Crime", about the dead forum "Sell" and the like, but everything will be gradual. Each of these forums is associated with some story. Often it is sad.
Probiv Forum
Fraudster:
If you start the story with a small cozy forum "Probiv", there is a very good community inside, that is, these people all know each other, all the standard products are presented there, which are also on other forums, but in some small, homey way, and plus they have a big emphasis on the automotive theme, on everything related to thefts, with the legalization of cars, with documents.
If you go to this forum, and you can go to it in the TOR browser, by entering, for example, probiv.on. Accordingly, when you go to the forum using the letters that I said, you can find a direct TOR link, save it for yourself and go to this forum in the future.
Pavlovich:
Let me remind you that many services on these shadow forums are illegal, and whether you use them or not is at your own risk. It seems to me better not to use them.
Fraudster:
Use going to the forum as an excursion into a certain shadow world. All these forums are naturally blocked in Russia and, accordingly, the easiest way to go is through the Tor browser.
Pavlovich:
I think 90% of you have used crypto for something or will use it. But if you think that the same bitcoin is anonymous, then I will disappoint you. It is not anonymous at all. And if you have exposed your personal data somewhere, then by the blockchain trail you can easily determine the person who owns this or that wallet. As happened last month with the hackers from Reveal, some of whose funds were simply identified and confiscated by the American authorities.
But it's not all that bad. It is still possible to cover your tracks in the Bitcoin blockchain. And the Blender.Io service will help you with this, anonymizing your transactions. The principle of the service is very simple. You send BTC to the mixer wallet, and in return you receive completely different bitcoins of completely different people. Thus, various AML systems lose track of transactions and cannot link it to a specific person.
Among the features of the service. Complete confidentiality. The company adheres to a strict no-lock policy and does not store information about users and transactions you have made. Immediately after the transaction is completed, all data on interaction with the service is deleted. Instant transaction. You do not need to wait until the system collects the required number of transactions to form a pool, because thanks to the reserves of the AIO blender, transactions are completed instantly. Support for Segwit and Batch32 addresses. Users can also control the transaction delay time to increase anonymity up to 7 days.
And the last thing is a dynamic commission. Users can choose the commission for mixer services themselves and the commission varies from 0.5% to 2.5%. It is clear that the higher the commission, the faster your transaction will be processed by the network. Remember again, Blender.Io will help you avoid problems and remain anonymous. Link in the description.
The conflict on the forum has moved into real life
Fraudster:
So, the forum "Probiv" is very well represented in the automotive theme. Yes, you can buy bank cards there, but the range of offers is 10, 20, 30 times smaller than on a duplicate or on the same Dark Money. On this forum, you can understand what cheese is, what a Dutchman is.
Cheese is a car that has just been stolen, that is, you will understand the terminology, learn the prices for, let's say, stolen cars, learn how it happens, that is, how much time, for example, will they give you if you decide to buy such a car, I mean until you file a police report, they sell leased cars there. I repeat, the forum is very cozy, the internal community is good, they hold a lot of contests within the forum, well, that is, in practice, it is not even a very criminal get-together, but having watched them for about eight to ten years, I can tell you about a conflict in which a person who was filming with Sergey participated.
Pavlovich:
Yes, it was Vasily 80, the person on the ID.
Fraudster:
Yes, it was really Vasily 80, the topic of their quarrel was something like fifteen thousand rubles.
Pavlovich:
He was with Khava, right? He was arguing with the owner of the forum, I think the woman there.
Fraudster:
Yes, he had a fight, and it got to the point where he was tracked down in Moscow, attacked, well, that is, the forum even made some efforts to punish the person who, well, somehow damaged the forum. That is, I have absolutely nothing against Vasily 80, I have nothing against Khava, I just watched as an observer and watched what was happening in offline life, because the forum is a forum, but it is a rare event when online showdowns go so far that you can be met at the entrance.
Well, that's how it happened. But my overall impression of the forum is positive. You can certainly trust it, work through it. The forum, I repeat, is blocked in Russia, but by entering through TOR, you will get such a calm and cozy atmosphere.
If you want to post a topic, you can do it there quite freely, but it is advisable, of course, to contact the moderator, explain who you are, what you are. But if you, for example, start selling bank cards, you will be blocked there immediately. A good, quiet, small forum.
Dublikat Forum
Fraudster:
If you take the Duplicate forum, it is also blocked in Russia. I will not give a link in the Torah, you will find it yourself.
This is a forum where everything is sold. Alcohol, cigarettes, Viagra, Cialis, honey from Altai, the same stolen cars, documents. In my opinion, it is rather poorly structured. Well, that is, there really is too much of everything. The forum can be trusted, but the nuance is that by my standards the return on communication with the moderators is very poor.
That is, you write some request, and they do not answer you. There is a fairly low percentage of the guarantor, but I did not pay attention to the number of transactions, and usually you still see some kind of moving action precisely in the movement of money in the guarantor. That is, it seems that the volume of transactions there is still small. But the forum is very old, there were several scandals when the database of members of this forum was allegedly leaked.
But it is somehow indestructible, calm, alive, there are quite a lot of articles there, and all the main members of other large forums, they are certainly represented on the duplicate. I once asked the sellers of debit cards, they made such a ratio, 70% of sales on DarkMoney, roughly speaking, 30% on the duplicate, that is, you can work on this forum.
Often people work there who for some reason do not want to work on DarkMoney or anywhere else. On this forum "It's Good to Buy Cigarettes" Solovey is represented there, that is, we somehow discussed him in the last issue, there are other cigarette sellers there.
Read the threads, filter, if you buy cigarettes, then there. Also, a certain Beria constantly sells them there, I think his prices are a bit high, but just to get to know what kind of product it is, to understand it, to try to crumple it in your hands, to see what it is like to work with a transport company, you can buy from this Beria, and his assortment is huge, but I repeat, I think the prices are a little high.
Forum WWH
Fraudster:
If you take the WWH forum, this is a carding training forum. And, it would seem, the initial impression is that this is a forum for teenagers, but this is not so. This is a very serious forum with very big, serious money. Well, it is also quite old.
Old, well-deserved. I do not know why there are so few offers for debit and other cards there, it seems that there is no demand. I know that people earn very serious money with the help of this forum. I had a good friend who once taught me basic anonymity, well, helped me with something, taught me.
Like many programmers, he was a peculiar person with a peculiar psyche, that is, from the outside he could seem like a bad person, and he had one problem - he was an alcoholic. So, he was a self-taught hacker, and at one point he was able to get American credit card data through American shops.
Being initially a man with money, that is, he earned some good money for Russia, then he received a one-time sum much more than a million, and he went on a drinking spree. A year later he died, he died at the age of 26, that is, unexpectedly received money can often bring the end of a life's journey.
I talked to his common-law wife, she pestered him, said, listen, we can do this million, we can sell these cards ourselves, that is, we will get much more, 5-7 million, well, the man did not need anything, but I repeat, he earned money all these years from this forum, that is, if you have brains and hands in the right place, you will certainly have money there.
How they teach carding there, I can not say, I am not very technically literate in this regard, but I know that this forum is respected on other forums and, for example, arbitrations that take place on this forum, they are also quoted on others.
That is, it is a serious organization.
The most prohibited forum in the Russian Federation
Fraudster:
Briefly, I will touch on the many-headed, I devoted it to internal study, categorically not working on it for a sufficient amount of time, I want to say that it is an encyclopedia. There really is a huge amount of knowledge. In my subjective opinion, there are very high prices for products like bank cards, counterfeit money, that is, for related products, the prices there are much higher, sometimes one and a half to two times higher.
Being there and even looking at the nicknames of the people registered there, you see that these are really sick people-drug addicts. They have very, very bright nicknames, which really stand out when you go to any forum where everything is simple and utilitarian, everything is very bright there.
I repeat, it has everything, it is expensive, but this is exactly such a Wikipedia, only criminal. You can really read it, educate yourself, if you need it. But let's just stay away from this topic, it is evil.
Large Russian darknet forums
Fraudster:
And, probably, my main story, a long one, will be about the DarkMoney forum. I want to say that the engines of all the forums, they are basically the same. And if I say something about DarkMoney, in principle it can be safely transferred to those forums that I mentioned.
Pavlovich:
Well, it's Xenforo they have as an engine, because earlier in my time the forum had PHPBB and VBulletin, and now I have I also raised a forum for myself now for e-commerce, for my cashback. I have a forum, it's not developed yet, but it's there. And it's Xenforo, a new modern engine, and it's the same on all of them.
Fraudster:
I agree. I also want to mention those forums that used to exist, but they don't exist anymore. For example, there was a large forum in Sell, I don't know what happened to it. It seemed stupid to me, but it really was large. There was a forum called "Migalki", "No Crime", "Korovka", "Mazafaka", and there were typical carder forums, as already mentioned, "Carder Planet", "Lampedusa" and so on and so forth.
Often these forums now, if they exist, are such a small narrow community of several dozen people, where the entrance is paid. Well, for example, if you want to participate, there are 250 dollars. They really still exist somewhere, alive, but in fact, all these forums are no longer in the mass.
70% of users do not disguise themselves
Fraudster:
Now I will say one paradoxical thing, I think that it applies to all forums, except ... Several years ago, the main moderator of the DarkMoney forum gave unexpected statistics. 70-75% of users sit under their IP, that is, a huge number of people do not think about their safety, and what does it mean, except that they sit under their IP? This means that they simply do not know how to log in under VPN and so on.
That is, a huge number of users, well, just readers or illiterate people. Well, or just indifferent. I can not know, but here were such statistics. If you analyze DarkMoney, a duplicate, then on average there are 200, 300, 400, 500 people on the forum per day.
And the activity, if you analyze it, it starts in the morning and ends in the evening, which indicates that all our users, living in our time zone, are citizens of Russia, Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and partly Ukraine. By my standards, I see that Ukraine has not entered the forums.
That is, for example, for 100 offers of cards in Russia, only one offer of cards in Ukraine. That is, most likely, there is some local Ukrainian forum that I do not know, which is not represented. And there is also an opinion that if you contact Ukrainians, you will be screwed. This, again, is not my opinion, I did not contact, but any contacts with Ukraine, you, in general, will be in a burnout.
What are forums for and how do they make money (using Darkmoney as an example)
Fraudster:
For those people who wrote that Darkmoney is dead or that you can’t get to Darkmoney, everything is very simple. Open the TOR browser, darkmoney.ac, that is, the first and third letters of the Latin alphabet. Find a permanent link in the browser on this forum, write it down and visit it in the future. What is a forum and what is it for? It was created to make money.
How is money made? The first is advertising on the forum, the second is the guarantor's percentage, that is, when people trust the forum and conduct transactions through it, and the third is when the forum owners themselves are forum participants, that is, they earn money directly from their work, which they also know how to do.
What is a "guarantor"
Fraudster:
What is, let's say, a guarantor?
If we take the same "DarkMoney", the guarantor "Ophelia" and the guarantor "Previously there was Lemmy, now she is not", these are, I don't know, men or women, these are very responsible people who, according to my observations, live on a schedule minus 4 hours from Moscow, that is, most likely they are in Dolgota or Krasnoyarsk or Thailand, that is, somewhere in those parts.
They have a huge number of payment instruments for receiving and sending money. Some instruments, for example, are considered unsuitable - like Qiwi, because it is easily blocked, that is, for them It is mainly Bitcoin, Tinkoff and, say, Yandex. Such main payment systems, they periodically... Webmoney, sometimes.
The point is that there are many different scammers and extortionists on the Internet, there were probably many attempts to influence the forum, saying that we are submitting your payment systems. That is, you say that you want to make a deal, the guarantor gives you some "Kiev" or "Yandex wallet", you send one ruble to it, on which is written "heroin", "cocaine", "terrorism", blah-blah-blah, and the system will block it all.
Accordingly, the forum should have payment instruments that are more or less abuse-resistant. And life has shown this.
DDoS on forums
Fraudster:
By the way, as a competitive struggle and, again, as an extortion tool, DOS is widely used. Here during the observation of Dark Money since 2012, when the forum was formed, before the attacks there were countless and it happened that the forum was down for a week or two and in general there were cases that I was worried, well if I had some transactions there, which in general was all no
the forum always came to life it is very tenacious the biggest problems were when they started complaining about it to a foreign organization spam chaos that was serious after that the forum was abruptly put in order, they banned working in America and some very specific crimes so that there would be no motives for complaints in the spam house.
What does the guarantor and the forums earn on
Fraudster:
So, what is a guarantor? A guarantor is a person who works from ten, roughly in the morning until twelve, until one in the morning, she accepts transactions and gets a percentage from this, more precisely, the guarantor is responsible for the percentage, the percentage has a form. If the transaction is for small money, on the Darkmoney website they used to take 13%, now, in my opinion, it has fallen, but we focus on an amount, for example, up to 10 thousand, 13%, on Probiv and on Duplicate the guarantor's percentage is much less, that is, you can conduct small transactions there.
But when you make a deal through a guarantor, a counter is added to your account that you made a deal through a guarantor, and this kind of gives you pluses for further work, well, it shows you as a serious person.
At one time, having quite a few accounts on Darkman, I sometimes wound up my account, that is, made deals through a guarantor.
Pavlovich:
Among myself, right?
Fraudster:
Well, I had to have a certain number of Yandex wallets, that is, yes, with their own nicknames, that is, on average, it turned out that I lose 500-600 rubles on one deal, but, for example, 5 deals through a guarantor appear in my account, that is, I lost 2.5 thousand there, but it turns out that I already have an account, that I am normal.
Pavlovich:
A respectable person. Well, like on Wildberries, they do a self-buyback from themselves, there is plus or minus 30% loss, but then you are thrown right up in the listing, because you have a large number of deals.
Fraudster:
Well, yes, you have to be quick there. And a promoted account, despite the fact that everyone knows that it is promotion, it still psychologically affects work on the forum, that's it. I will tell you later how account promotion happens, what it gives, I will just continue about the guarantor.
So, if you want to work on the forum, and you have the most serious intentions, usually people secure these intentions with a deposit, that is, they deposit money into their account, which was deposited by other forum participants, that's it.
Pavlovich:
In my memory, this was the case, if someone is engaged in some kind of cashing out, you know, that this is a kind of guarantee for the forum user that if this casher throws in, then at least some part or all, that is, your money from his deposit, which is frozen, well, supposedly the owner of the forum has it somewhere, that is, they will return it to you, well, like the DIA, this is the deposit insurance agency in banks now, if we draw a direct analogy.
Fraudster:
Something like that, I like to count and analyze, and I once calculated in 2016, well, the receipt of deposits, there it turned out that in 2 or 3 months, one and a half million came into dark money. Rubles. Yes. Now I decided to see how their situation is, and took September as a sample.
So, 28 people made deposits, 8 withdrew, and the total receipt, positive receipt, how much was added, came to 6 million 200 with kopecks. That is, in a month this forum received 6 million in collateral.
Pavlovich:
And he can, plus or minus, twist them in his interests somewhere on crypto arbitrage, somewhere else somehow, right? Rather, he can. Theoretically.
Fraudster:
Yes, because he can. Like a bank. Receiving this money, they also take a percentage on top. That is, if you, for example, send 500 thousand to the forum and, for example, send it to a Yandex wallet, that is, you will need to add Yandex's commission, then a commission for the reverse withdrawal. And it will not be 500 thousand, it will be, roughly, 550. Well, that is, the forum does not lose anything, it keeps the money.
And the most important thing is the rule of the DarkMoney forum, it is not like on other forums, but specifically on the DarkMoney forum, that if you want to withdraw a deposit, you post an announcement about it, but they return it to you in a month. This really gives the opportunity, if desired, to spin this money in some projects. Whether they spin it or not, I do not know. I just assume that such an opportunity exists.
Based on what I said, it turns out that on the forum - it turns out that it is a serious organization - there are more than one million dollars on the forum. This is a level of great trust. This is a really serious business, great trust. And therefore, work on this forum, by the way, is possible both legally and illegally. I mean, it would be possible to legally service something.
There is help in some matters, which is not punishable by the state and the criminal code.
Fraudsters-guarantors
Fraudster:
From the funny thing about the guarantor, there are a huge number of small scammers who try to pass themselves off as a guarantor and somehow deceive users. Often it happens like this, a person has some problems on the forum, some dispute arises or he was thrown.
And he tries to notify about it, either he writes to arbitration or gives some information somewhere that I had such a situation. He immediately receives messages in a personal message from the imaginary guarantor Ophelia. The spelling Ophelia, it is quite simple, under it you can see that she has a certain number of messages, a nickname of a certain color, it would seem that you can’t confuse.
Here he writes to you about the points of felia, some gaps in the letters. Well, that is, it is obvious that it is crap, but there was a period, especially the sixteenth, eighteenth, nineteenth years, when every day someone was caught. What is the guarantor writing to you about? Yes, hello, yes, we accept your arbitration, the amount of your arbitration transaction is such-and-such, in order for us to consider it, make a deposit of 30, 50, 100 dollars
or euros.
Pavlovich:
Well, like this judicial one, yes, state duty.
Fraudster:
State duty. As far as I remember, they figured out from this regular person, this is some fat, obese 18-year-old minor named Denis from the south of Russia, that is, they published his photo somewhere, said, let's collect money, go, stuff it. As far as I understand, it ended in nothing, and still if you have any disputes, the guarantor will try to write to you, but this is funny.
The guarantor is millions, accordingly, he is protected, and I think that who it is and what it knows, God willing, one or two people, that is, the true owner of the forum.
This is a very, very, very large sum of money, I think that they would be happy to hunt for it, like our law enforcement officers.
The structure and hierarchy of the forum
Fraudster:
I will now try to tell you about the structure of the forum, that is, go from top to bottom, and I will start with such a funny section, which is called "News". This section is for those people who want to promote their account.
First, they post banal things related to finances, start a topic. Someone answers in it, and the person in it starts arguing, telling, proving something, filling the message counter in his account, because there are very few places on the forum where you can discuss nonsense not related to work, and the counter should be on the forum, on any.
There is some kind of table of ranks and, for example, the maximum status is authority. Previously, it was given for a thousand messages, you had to be at least a year. Now, in my opinion, the conditions have changed.
I was in the authority status several times, and there were several funny situations when you have several accounts in the authority status, you give some competent information, several people agree with you, and then in the same thread you from another account, which you are pumping up, which has few messages there, and it is still kind of no name, you also say something competent absolutely on this topic, these same people peck you, spit on you, well, that is, it is quite funny to watch it.
About multiple accounts
Fraudster:
What are multi-accounts for? They are allowed on DarkMoney, you just have to inform the administration, because if you are doing some one job, after all, the sphere is illegal, for example, it is better to buy tools for this job from another account, it is better to make some requests from another account, it is better to conduct some discussions from another account, because, for example, you can be banned.
Well, for example, you decided to yelp something in arbitration that is not allowed. This means that our people are slobs, and, accordingly, often multi-accounting is done from one device, and in the overwhelming majority of cases it is visible. Another thing is that the forum does not touch it up until a certain point, but then, if a person makes some kind of scam from one of the accounts or gets banned.
In the end, everyone is banned, and he runs around there frantically proving that it was not him. Well, I got a little distracted now. The news section again. My purely personal opinion, this is purely for the promotion of the account, so that in the future you have more authority on the forum, so that you can work more calmly, more relaxed, or something.
Charity on the forum
Fraudster:
The next section is charity, and it really is. A member of the Audi type is responsible for charity on the forum and on another forum.
Pavlovich:
By the way, my guys registered my charity fund "Pro Dobro" today. We will have three directions, that is, this is assistance to young IT specialists, athletes in remote corners of Russia and other CIS countries. My direction directly, which I will supervise, is books and magazines in prisons and zones around the world, as I already told you. And Yura, my friend, will supervise assistance to young artists, because Russia is big, yes, there are many artists.
With the volume of the world art market of 50 billion euros per year, Russia occupies only 10 million. That is, 50 billion and 10 million, yes, given the scale of the country. And often our young Russian talented artists do not even have enough money for brushes, canvases, paints. And even more so to send their painting to negotiate with some gallery, so that it would simply be hung at some exhibition.
Fraudster:
Well, the people presented on Darkmoney, who are engaged in criminal activity, are also not averse to charity. Often this money comes from a scam, in the sense that some arbitration has passed, the person has won, and the money won, he says, will be sent to children. That is, this is a very common occurrence. The amounts are different, that is, they can refuse 100 thousand, and large amounts, and even 10 thousand.
According to my observations, this money is distributed by "Audi". These are standard funds like "Give Life". I am 100% sure that the money is really given out there without deception. That is, they send money, everything is as if honestly. Several years ago there was a situation when the "eight" issue was alive. I will tell you about it separately, the "eight" of the bank.
And one stupid girl, while she was clicking her beak, was exposed by swindlers for 40 thousand on eights. She turned to correspondents and went to a Sberbank branch, her husband was standing next to her like a calf, and she was bawling like a beluga, that there was nothing to eat, you, the bank, are such goats, you allowed them to steal my last money, she simply did not pay attention for five days that 8 thousand a day was written off from her.
And this report was presented on the "DarkMoney" forum, a week of silence. Then the administration came out and said that first of all, we would like to ban “eights” and everything connected with them on the forum. This brings grief to low-income people. After all, we understand that we are swindlers, but we are still focused on rich organizations, on rich citizens, that is, not on low-income mothers – this is the first thing, and secondly, we decided to chip in.
We chipped in, as far as I remember, about seventy thousand, that is, forty were stolen from her, they chipped in seventy, and someone from a left account wrote to her on VKontakte, like, so and so, I live abroad, I watched it, I was moved, I want to help you, and they transferred money to her.
So, such isolated cases also take place. This happened.
“Eights” on forums
Pavlovich:
So what was the scheme itself? Why was it called “eights”?
Fraudster:
“Eights”, then, this was several years ago. Now Sber’s fraud system has coped with this, absolutely coped with it. The topic is dead. So, at first, Sberbank cards were bought on forums very-very-very cheaply, classic cards at most, and instant ones were better.
Well, that is, they were bought for pennies, for one and a half thousand, for 2 thousand, so it was spreading installations across Android, that is, when a person followed the link, he installed an SMS interceptor on his device, and accordingly, once a day the bank allowed 8,000 to be withdrawn without confirmation. Since SMS were intercepted, the person did not see that his balance was melting.
And at the beginning of such work, it was allowed to withdraw 8 thousand several times, that is, for example, having bought a card for one and a half and having bought a certain amount, having bought this bot, having bought installations, it was allowed to withdraw several times. But then the bank's fraud began to work clearly and often died after the first flood.
That is, 8 thousand were gone, and after that the card was blocked. Also related to this topic was one and a half thousand, but in this environment, in Abnalnaya, the topic began to be called "eights" - 8 thousand. It lived for a long time, it brought a lot of grief to both people and drops, who certainly had the police come to them.
Also, the debit sellers were very outraged that the necessary high-quality SBER was going, in general, for such crap. But I know that this SBER was bought up in technical schools, where 18-19-year-olds hang out, who basically killed everything for themselves by selling the card for one and a half thousand in the bank.
Well, that's it. Well, its further history. Yes, that is, in principle, for some crap, that is, it was a topic that was bad for everyone, that's it. But this, rather, I'm talking about now, these are the sixteenth-eighteenth years. Now this topic does not exist. The bank has successfully dealt with it.
Famous carder Sergey Pavlovich talks again with a mysterious masked man, who this time will tell us about various darknet forums, most of which are prohibited in the Russian Federation.
Enjoy reading!
Contents:
- What forums will we consider?
- Forum Probiv
- Forum Conflict Moves into Real Life
- Forum Duplikat
- WWH Forum
- The most banned forum in Russia
- Large Russian Darknet Forums
- 70% of users do not mask themselves
- What are forums for and how do they make money (using Darkmoney as an example)
- What is a "guarantor"
- DDoS on forums
- How the guarantor and forums make money
- Fraudsters-guarantors
- Forum structure and hierarchy
- About multi-accounts
- Charity on the forum
- "Eights" on forums
What forums will we consider
Pavlovich:
Friends, hello! New interview, glad to see you. And today we are talking about what you have asked about a hundred times already, and maybe more, about carding, hacking and other dark topics forums. Some of them have already sunk into oblivion, some are still alive. Well, that's all about forums today.
I am specifically talking about forums not with some minor, but with an adult uncle, who were created under you, many of them were created and many have already died under you. Yes, yes. So today we will talk about forums.
DupliЛФЕ, DarkMoney, Probiv, three-headed can be called a forum to some extent. So, where do we start?
Fraudster:
Let's start with the fact that, of course, it is impossible to embrace the immensity. Somewhere I know well, somewhere I know less. And I will try to tell my impressions for almost 10 years of observing the work on these forums, my conclusions and my life stories. I think you will find it interesting. Today I would like to tell you in detail about the Darkman forum.
A little less detail about the forums punching a duplicate, express my opinion on Hydra, on the WWH forum, "Migalki", "Crime", about the dead forum "Sell" and the like, but everything will be gradual. Each of these forums is associated with some story. Often it is sad.
Probiv Forum
Fraudster:
If you start the story with a small cozy forum "Probiv", there is a very good community inside, that is, these people all know each other, all the standard products are presented there, which are also on other forums, but in some small, homey way, and plus they have a big emphasis on the automotive theme, on everything related to thefts, with the legalization of cars, with documents.
If you go to this forum, and you can go to it in the TOR browser, by entering, for example, probiv.on. Accordingly, when you go to the forum using the letters that I said, you can find a direct TOR link, save it for yourself and go to this forum in the future.
Pavlovich:
Let me remind you that many services on these shadow forums are illegal, and whether you use them or not is at your own risk. It seems to me better not to use them.
Fraudster:
Use going to the forum as an excursion into a certain shadow world. All these forums are naturally blocked in Russia and, accordingly, the easiest way to go is through the Tor browser.
Pavlovich:
I think 90% of you have used crypto for something or will use it. But if you think that the same bitcoin is anonymous, then I will disappoint you. It is not anonymous at all. And if you have exposed your personal data somewhere, then by the blockchain trail you can easily determine the person who owns this or that wallet. As happened last month with the hackers from Reveal, some of whose funds were simply identified and confiscated by the American authorities.
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The conflict on the forum has moved into real life
Fraudster:
So, the forum "Probiv" is very well represented in the automotive theme. Yes, you can buy bank cards there, but the range of offers is 10, 20, 30 times smaller than on a duplicate or on the same Dark Money. On this forum, you can understand what cheese is, what a Dutchman is.
Cheese is a car that has just been stolen, that is, you will understand the terminology, learn the prices for, let's say, stolen cars, learn how it happens, that is, how much time, for example, will they give you if you decide to buy such a car, I mean until you file a police report, they sell leased cars there. I repeat, the forum is very cozy, the internal community is good, they hold a lot of contests within the forum, well, that is, in practice, it is not even a very criminal get-together, but having watched them for about eight to ten years, I can tell you about a conflict in which a person who was filming with Sergey participated.
Pavlovich:
Yes, it was Vasily 80, the person on the ID.
Fraudster:
Yes, it was really Vasily 80, the topic of their quarrel was something like fifteen thousand rubles.
Pavlovich:
He was with Khava, right? He was arguing with the owner of the forum, I think the woman there.
Fraudster:
Yes, he had a fight, and it got to the point where he was tracked down in Moscow, attacked, well, that is, the forum even made some efforts to punish the person who, well, somehow damaged the forum. That is, I have absolutely nothing against Vasily 80, I have nothing against Khava, I just watched as an observer and watched what was happening in offline life, because the forum is a forum, but it is a rare event when online showdowns go so far that you can be met at the entrance.
Well, that's how it happened. But my overall impression of the forum is positive. You can certainly trust it, work through it. The forum, I repeat, is blocked in Russia, but by entering through TOR, you will get such a calm and cozy atmosphere.
If you want to post a topic, you can do it there quite freely, but it is advisable, of course, to contact the moderator, explain who you are, what you are. But if you, for example, start selling bank cards, you will be blocked there immediately. A good, quiet, small forum.
Dublikat Forum
Fraudster:
If you take the Duplicate forum, it is also blocked in Russia. I will not give a link in the Torah, you will find it yourself.
This is a forum where everything is sold. Alcohol, cigarettes, Viagra, Cialis, honey from Altai, the same stolen cars, documents. In my opinion, it is rather poorly structured. Well, that is, there really is too much of everything. The forum can be trusted, but the nuance is that by my standards the return on communication with the moderators is very poor.
That is, you write some request, and they do not answer you. There is a fairly low percentage of the guarantor, but I did not pay attention to the number of transactions, and usually you still see some kind of moving action precisely in the movement of money in the guarantor. That is, it seems that the volume of transactions there is still small. But the forum is very old, there were several scandals when the database of members of this forum was allegedly leaked.
But it is somehow indestructible, calm, alive, there are quite a lot of articles there, and all the main members of other large forums, they are certainly represented on the duplicate. I once asked the sellers of debit cards, they made such a ratio, 70% of sales on DarkMoney, roughly speaking, 30% on the duplicate, that is, you can work on this forum.
Often people work there who for some reason do not want to work on DarkMoney or anywhere else. On this forum "It's Good to Buy Cigarettes" Solovey is represented there, that is, we somehow discussed him in the last issue, there are other cigarette sellers there.
Read the threads, filter, if you buy cigarettes, then there. Also, a certain Beria constantly sells them there, I think his prices are a bit high, but just to get to know what kind of product it is, to understand it, to try to crumple it in your hands, to see what it is like to work with a transport company, you can buy from this Beria, and his assortment is huge, but I repeat, I think the prices are a little high.
Forum WWH
Fraudster:
If you take the WWH forum, this is a carding training forum. And, it would seem, the initial impression is that this is a forum for teenagers, but this is not so. This is a very serious forum with very big, serious money. Well, it is also quite old.
Old, well-deserved. I do not know why there are so few offers for debit and other cards there, it seems that there is no demand. I know that people earn very serious money with the help of this forum. I had a good friend who once taught me basic anonymity, well, helped me with something, taught me.
Like many programmers, he was a peculiar person with a peculiar psyche, that is, from the outside he could seem like a bad person, and he had one problem - he was an alcoholic. So, he was a self-taught hacker, and at one point he was able to get American credit card data through American shops.
Being initially a man with money, that is, he earned some good money for Russia, then he received a one-time sum much more than a million, and he went on a drinking spree. A year later he died, he died at the age of 26, that is, unexpectedly received money can often bring the end of a life's journey.
I talked to his common-law wife, she pestered him, said, listen, we can do this million, we can sell these cards ourselves, that is, we will get much more, 5-7 million, well, the man did not need anything, but I repeat, he earned money all these years from this forum, that is, if you have brains and hands in the right place, you will certainly have money there.
How they teach carding there, I can not say, I am not very technically literate in this regard, but I know that this forum is respected on other forums and, for example, arbitrations that take place on this forum, they are also quoted on others.
That is, it is a serious organization.
The most prohibited forum in the Russian Federation
Fraudster:
Briefly, I will touch on the many-headed, I devoted it to internal study, categorically not working on it for a sufficient amount of time, I want to say that it is an encyclopedia. There really is a huge amount of knowledge. In my subjective opinion, there are very high prices for products like bank cards, counterfeit money, that is, for related products, the prices there are much higher, sometimes one and a half to two times higher.
Being there and even looking at the nicknames of the people registered there, you see that these are really sick people-drug addicts. They have very, very bright nicknames, which really stand out when you go to any forum where everything is simple and utilitarian, everything is very bright there.
I repeat, it has everything, it is expensive, but this is exactly such a Wikipedia, only criminal. You can really read it, educate yourself, if you need it. But let's just stay away from this topic, it is evil.
Large Russian darknet forums
Fraudster:
And, probably, my main story, a long one, will be about the DarkMoney forum. I want to say that the engines of all the forums, they are basically the same. And if I say something about DarkMoney, in principle it can be safely transferred to those forums that I mentioned.
Pavlovich:
Well, it's Xenforo they have as an engine, because earlier in my time the forum had PHPBB and VBulletin, and now I have I also raised a forum for myself now for e-commerce, for my cashback. I have a forum, it's not developed yet, but it's there. And it's Xenforo, a new modern engine, and it's the same on all of them.
Fraudster:
I agree. I also want to mention those forums that used to exist, but they don't exist anymore. For example, there was a large forum in Sell, I don't know what happened to it. It seemed stupid to me, but it really was large. There was a forum called "Migalki", "No Crime", "Korovka", "Mazafaka", and there were typical carder forums, as already mentioned, "Carder Planet", "Lampedusa" and so on and so forth.
Often these forums now, if they exist, are such a small narrow community of several dozen people, where the entrance is paid. Well, for example, if you want to participate, there are 250 dollars. They really still exist somewhere, alive, but in fact, all these forums are no longer in the mass.
70% of users do not disguise themselves
Fraudster:
Now I will say one paradoxical thing, I think that it applies to all forums, except ... Several years ago, the main moderator of the DarkMoney forum gave unexpected statistics. 70-75% of users sit under their IP, that is, a huge number of people do not think about their safety, and what does it mean, except that they sit under their IP? This means that they simply do not know how to log in under VPN and so on.
That is, a huge number of users, well, just readers or illiterate people. Well, or just indifferent. I can not know, but here were such statistics. If you analyze DarkMoney, a duplicate, then on average there are 200, 300, 400, 500 people on the forum per day.
And the activity, if you analyze it, it starts in the morning and ends in the evening, which indicates that all our users, living in our time zone, are citizens of Russia, Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and partly Ukraine. By my standards, I see that Ukraine has not entered the forums.
That is, for example, for 100 offers of cards in Russia, only one offer of cards in Ukraine. That is, most likely, there is some local Ukrainian forum that I do not know, which is not represented. And there is also an opinion that if you contact Ukrainians, you will be screwed. This, again, is not my opinion, I did not contact, but any contacts with Ukraine, you, in general, will be in a burnout.
What are forums for and how do they make money (using Darkmoney as an example)
Fraudster:
For those people who wrote that Darkmoney is dead or that you can’t get to Darkmoney, everything is very simple. Open the TOR browser, darkmoney.ac, that is, the first and third letters of the Latin alphabet. Find a permanent link in the browser on this forum, write it down and visit it in the future. What is a forum and what is it for? It was created to make money.
How is money made? The first is advertising on the forum, the second is the guarantor's percentage, that is, when people trust the forum and conduct transactions through it, and the third is when the forum owners themselves are forum participants, that is, they earn money directly from their work, which they also know how to do.
What is a "guarantor"
Fraudster:
What is, let's say, a guarantor?
If we take the same "DarkMoney", the guarantor "Ophelia" and the guarantor "Previously there was Lemmy, now she is not", these are, I don't know, men or women, these are very responsible people who, according to my observations, live on a schedule minus 4 hours from Moscow, that is, most likely they are in Dolgota or Krasnoyarsk or Thailand, that is, somewhere in those parts.
They have a huge number of payment instruments for receiving and sending money. Some instruments, for example, are considered unsuitable - like Qiwi, because it is easily blocked, that is, for them It is mainly Bitcoin, Tinkoff and, say, Yandex. Such main payment systems, they periodically... Webmoney, sometimes.
The point is that there are many different scammers and extortionists on the Internet, there were probably many attempts to influence the forum, saying that we are submitting your payment systems. That is, you say that you want to make a deal, the guarantor gives you some "Kiev" or "Yandex wallet", you send one ruble to it, on which is written "heroin", "cocaine", "terrorism", blah-blah-blah, and the system will block it all.
Accordingly, the forum should have payment instruments that are more or less abuse-resistant. And life has shown this.
DDoS on forums
Fraudster:
By the way, as a competitive struggle and, again, as an extortion tool, DOS is widely used. Here during the observation of Dark Money since 2012, when the forum was formed, before the attacks there were countless and it happened that the forum was down for a week or two and in general there were cases that I was worried, well if I had some transactions there, which in general was all no
the forum always came to life it is very tenacious the biggest problems were when they started complaining about it to a foreign organization spam chaos that was serious after that the forum was abruptly put in order, they banned working in America and some very specific crimes so that there would be no motives for complaints in the spam house.
What does the guarantor and the forums earn on
Fraudster:
So, what is a guarantor? A guarantor is a person who works from ten, roughly in the morning until twelve, until one in the morning, she accepts transactions and gets a percentage from this, more precisely, the guarantor is responsible for the percentage, the percentage has a form. If the transaction is for small money, on the Darkmoney website they used to take 13%, now, in my opinion, it has fallen, but we focus on an amount, for example, up to 10 thousand, 13%, on Probiv and on Duplicate the guarantor's percentage is much less, that is, you can conduct small transactions there.
But when you make a deal through a guarantor, a counter is added to your account that you made a deal through a guarantor, and this kind of gives you pluses for further work, well, it shows you as a serious person.
At one time, having quite a few accounts on Darkman, I sometimes wound up my account, that is, made deals through a guarantor.
Pavlovich:
Among myself, right?
Fraudster:
Well, I had to have a certain number of Yandex wallets, that is, yes, with their own nicknames, that is, on average, it turned out that I lose 500-600 rubles on one deal, but, for example, 5 deals through a guarantor appear in my account, that is, I lost 2.5 thousand there, but it turns out that I already have an account, that I am normal.
Pavlovich:
A respectable person. Well, like on Wildberries, they do a self-buyback from themselves, there is plus or minus 30% loss, but then you are thrown right up in the listing, because you have a large number of deals.
Fraudster:
Well, yes, you have to be quick there. And a promoted account, despite the fact that everyone knows that it is promotion, it still psychologically affects work on the forum, that's it. I will tell you later how account promotion happens, what it gives, I will just continue about the guarantor.
So, if you want to work on the forum, and you have the most serious intentions, usually people secure these intentions with a deposit, that is, they deposit money into their account, which was deposited by other forum participants, that's it.
Pavlovich:
In my memory, this was the case, if someone is engaged in some kind of cashing out, you know, that this is a kind of guarantee for the forum user that if this casher throws in, then at least some part or all, that is, your money from his deposit, which is frozen, well, supposedly the owner of the forum has it somewhere, that is, they will return it to you, well, like the DIA, this is the deposit insurance agency in banks now, if we draw a direct analogy.
Fraudster:
Something like that, I like to count and analyze, and I once calculated in 2016, well, the receipt of deposits, there it turned out that in 2 or 3 months, one and a half million came into dark money. Rubles. Yes. Now I decided to see how their situation is, and took September as a sample.
So, 28 people made deposits, 8 withdrew, and the total receipt, positive receipt, how much was added, came to 6 million 200 with kopecks. That is, in a month this forum received 6 million in collateral.
Pavlovich:
And he can, plus or minus, twist them in his interests somewhere on crypto arbitrage, somewhere else somehow, right? Rather, he can. Theoretically.
Fraudster:
Yes, because he can. Like a bank. Receiving this money, they also take a percentage on top. That is, if you, for example, send 500 thousand to the forum and, for example, send it to a Yandex wallet, that is, you will need to add Yandex's commission, then a commission for the reverse withdrawal. And it will not be 500 thousand, it will be, roughly, 550. Well, that is, the forum does not lose anything, it keeps the money.
And the most important thing is the rule of the DarkMoney forum, it is not like on other forums, but specifically on the DarkMoney forum, that if you want to withdraw a deposit, you post an announcement about it, but they return it to you in a month. This really gives the opportunity, if desired, to spin this money in some projects. Whether they spin it or not, I do not know. I just assume that such an opportunity exists.
Based on what I said, it turns out that on the forum - it turns out that it is a serious organization - there are more than one million dollars on the forum. This is a level of great trust. This is a really serious business, great trust. And therefore, work on this forum, by the way, is possible both legally and illegally. I mean, it would be possible to legally service something.
There is help in some matters, which is not punishable by the state and the criminal code.
Fraudsters-guarantors
Fraudster:
From the funny thing about the guarantor, there are a huge number of small scammers who try to pass themselves off as a guarantor and somehow deceive users. Often it happens like this, a person has some problems on the forum, some dispute arises or he was thrown.
And he tries to notify about it, either he writes to arbitration or gives some information somewhere that I had such a situation. He immediately receives messages in a personal message from the imaginary guarantor Ophelia. The spelling Ophelia, it is quite simple, under it you can see that she has a certain number of messages, a nickname of a certain color, it would seem that you can’t confuse.
Here he writes to you about the points of felia, some gaps in the letters. Well, that is, it is obvious that it is crap, but there was a period, especially the sixteenth, eighteenth, nineteenth years, when every day someone was caught. What is the guarantor writing to you about? Yes, hello, yes, we accept your arbitration, the amount of your arbitration transaction is such-and-such, in order for us to consider it, make a deposit of 30, 50, 100 dollars
or euros.
Pavlovich:
Well, like this judicial one, yes, state duty.
Fraudster:
State duty. As far as I remember, they figured out from this regular person, this is some fat, obese 18-year-old minor named Denis from the south of Russia, that is, they published his photo somewhere, said, let's collect money, go, stuff it. As far as I understand, it ended in nothing, and still if you have any disputes, the guarantor will try to write to you, but this is funny.
The guarantor is millions, accordingly, he is protected, and I think that who it is and what it knows, God willing, one or two people, that is, the true owner of the forum.
This is a very, very, very large sum of money, I think that they would be happy to hunt for it, like our law enforcement officers.
The structure and hierarchy of the forum
Fraudster:
I will now try to tell you about the structure of the forum, that is, go from top to bottom, and I will start with such a funny section, which is called "News". This section is for those people who want to promote their account.
First, they post banal things related to finances, start a topic. Someone answers in it, and the person in it starts arguing, telling, proving something, filling the message counter in his account, because there are very few places on the forum where you can discuss nonsense not related to work, and the counter should be on the forum, on any.
There is some kind of table of ranks and, for example, the maximum status is authority. Previously, it was given for a thousand messages, you had to be at least a year. Now, in my opinion, the conditions have changed.
I was in the authority status several times, and there were several funny situations when you have several accounts in the authority status, you give some competent information, several people agree with you, and then in the same thread you from another account, which you are pumping up, which has few messages there, and it is still kind of no name, you also say something competent absolutely on this topic, these same people peck you, spit on you, well, that is, it is quite funny to watch it.
About multiple accounts
Fraudster:
What are multi-accounts for? They are allowed on DarkMoney, you just have to inform the administration, because if you are doing some one job, after all, the sphere is illegal, for example, it is better to buy tools for this job from another account, it is better to make some requests from another account, it is better to conduct some discussions from another account, because, for example, you can be banned.
Well, for example, you decided to yelp something in arbitration that is not allowed. This means that our people are slobs, and, accordingly, often multi-accounting is done from one device, and in the overwhelming majority of cases it is visible. Another thing is that the forum does not touch it up until a certain point, but then, if a person makes some kind of scam from one of the accounts or gets banned.
In the end, everyone is banned, and he runs around there frantically proving that it was not him. Well, I got a little distracted now. The news section again. My purely personal opinion, this is purely for the promotion of the account, so that in the future you have more authority on the forum, so that you can work more calmly, more relaxed, or something.
Charity on the forum
Fraudster:
The next section is charity, and it really is. A member of the Audi type is responsible for charity on the forum and on another forum.
Pavlovich:
By the way, my guys registered my charity fund "Pro Dobro" today. We will have three directions, that is, this is assistance to young IT specialists, athletes in remote corners of Russia and other CIS countries. My direction directly, which I will supervise, is books and magazines in prisons and zones around the world, as I already told you. And Yura, my friend, will supervise assistance to young artists, because Russia is big, yes, there are many artists.
With the volume of the world art market of 50 billion euros per year, Russia occupies only 10 million. That is, 50 billion and 10 million, yes, given the scale of the country. And often our young Russian talented artists do not even have enough money for brushes, canvases, paints. And even more so to send their painting to negotiate with some gallery, so that it would simply be hung at some exhibition.
Fraudster:
Well, the people presented on Darkmoney, who are engaged in criminal activity, are also not averse to charity. Often this money comes from a scam, in the sense that some arbitration has passed, the person has won, and the money won, he says, will be sent to children. That is, this is a very common occurrence. The amounts are different, that is, they can refuse 100 thousand, and large amounts, and even 10 thousand.
According to my observations, this money is distributed by "Audi". These are standard funds like "Give Life". I am 100% sure that the money is really given out there without deception. That is, they send money, everything is as if honestly. Several years ago there was a situation when the "eight" issue was alive. I will tell you about it separately, the "eight" of the bank.
And one stupid girl, while she was clicking her beak, was exposed by swindlers for 40 thousand on eights. She turned to correspondents and went to a Sberbank branch, her husband was standing next to her like a calf, and she was bawling like a beluga, that there was nothing to eat, you, the bank, are such goats, you allowed them to steal my last money, she simply did not pay attention for five days that 8 thousand a day was written off from her.
And this report was presented on the "DarkMoney" forum, a week of silence. Then the administration came out and said that first of all, we would like to ban “eights” and everything connected with them on the forum. This brings grief to low-income people. After all, we understand that we are swindlers, but we are still focused on rich organizations, on rich citizens, that is, not on low-income mothers – this is the first thing, and secondly, we decided to chip in.
We chipped in, as far as I remember, about seventy thousand, that is, forty were stolen from her, they chipped in seventy, and someone from a left account wrote to her on VKontakte, like, so and so, I live abroad, I watched it, I was moved, I want to help you, and they transferred money to her.
So, such isolated cases also take place. This happened.
“Eights” on forums
Pavlovich:
So what was the scheme itself? Why was it called “eights”?
Fraudster:
“Eights”, then, this was several years ago. Now Sber’s fraud system has coped with this, absolutely coped with it. The topic is dead. So, at first, Sberbank cards were bought on forums very-very-very cheaply, classic cards at most, and instant ones were better.
Well, that is, they were bought for pennies, for one and a half thousand, for 2 thousand, so it was spreading installations across Android, that is, when a person followed the link, he installed an SMS interceptor on his device, and accordingly, once a day the bank allowed 8,000 to be withdrawn without confirmation. Since SMS were intercepted, the person did not see that his balance was melting.
And at the beginning of such work, it was allowed to withdraw 8 thousand several times, that is, for example, having bought a card for one and a half and having bought a certain amount, having bought this bot, having bought installations, it was allowed to withdraw several times. But then the bank's fraud began to work clearly and often died after the first flood.
That is, 8 thousand were gone, and after that the card was blocked. Also related to this topic was one and a half thousand, but in this environment, in Abnalnaya, the topic began to be called "eights" - 8 thousand. It lived for a long time, it brought a lot of grief to both people and drops, who certainly had the police come to them.
Also, the debit sellers were very outraged that the necessary high-quality SBER was going, in general, for such crap. But I know that this SBER was bought up in technical schools, where 18-19-year-olds hang out, who basically killed everything for themselves by selling the card for one and a half thousand in the bank.
Well, that's it. Well, its further history. Yes, that is, in principle, for some crap, that is, it was a topic that was bad for everyone, that's it. But this, rather, I'm talking about now, these are the sixteenth-eighteenth years. Now this topic does not exist. The bank has successfully dealt with it.
