Carding training from CrdPro

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(19:55:48) cos: hi everyone
(20:05:12) xaos: do you use windows 10?
(20:05:25) WHO: yeah
(20:05:42) xaos: and you want to do carding?
(20:05:57) WHO: Yes, I want to)
(20:06:19) bars228: Everyone install Windows 7
(20:06:24) xaos: Windows 10 is not safe
(20:06:43) xaos: your data is not protected at all
(20:06:50) 112233: you can disable tracking there)
(20:07:13) anatoly26: But whether it will disable tracking is a completely different question
(20:07:19) bars228: it doesn’t seem to be completely disabled, even with patches
(20:07:20) Vovchi: Hello
(20:07:43) chachak1: how do you uninstall 10, we tried, it didn’t work
(20:07:57) bars228: in the BIOS settings
(20:07:58) Sam_Fisher: Laptop?
(20:07:59) Topsy Kretts: I just deleted it via installation from a flash drive
(20:08:07) 112233: I did the same
(20:08:12) anatoly26: Everything is complicated there, uefi instead of bios
(20:08:25) WHO: xaos: I'll tell you more, I'm Tauris, and you're just brainwashed on this account. The second reason is that Windows 10 is not the system I work through, but you don't understand that yet, that's why you're here.
(20:09:24) WHO: But you can teach me, if anything.
(20:09:25) bars228: how confusing it all is)
(20:09:44) xaos: how to teach to change face?)
(20:10:15) Anakisuto: silicone mask, a piece of crumpled paper in the right shoe and you're unrecognizable ahaha
(20:10:29) hanau16: Where shall we start?
(20:10:30) Anakisuto: oh, I forgot about the suspicious cap and hood
(20:10:34) bars228: what's the paper for?
(20:10:41) Sam_Fisher: Limp
(20:10:45) Sam_Fisher: Different gait
(20:11:11) WHO: We'll start in 5 minutes
(20:11:58) rusell: +
(20:12:04) Topsy Kretts: great
(20:12:20) Topsy Kretts: Heh.
(20:13:45) Topsy Kretts: who's a complete newbie, put +
(20:14:36) xaos: What do you mean by complete newbie?
(20:15:07) WHO: By your logic, if you have Windows 7, they won't find you, and if you have 10, then that's it, f*cked. If they need you, your dual VPN won't save you on Linux, believe me.
(20:15:15) Sam_Fisher: You don't even understand the terminology, or you just haven't typed it in yet?
(20:15:56) WHO: But there is good news, they won't look for us if we stick to our program plan.
(20:15:57) xaos: look if you have double vpn and a personal output repeater is configured in the tor
(20:16:14) xaos: you will steal the traffic but not decrypt it
(20:16:26) xaos: if webrtc is disabled
(20:16:36) xaos: even more difficult
(20:16:55) WHO: Don't forget your military uniform and machine gun
(20:17:41) WHO: If you are going to sell drugs, what you wrote above is perfect.
(20:18:09) xaos: so my scheme is for selling drugs?
(20:18:40) 112233: xaos: stop arguing)
(20:18:45) WHO: Yes, or child pornography
(20:18:53) WHO: He doesn't argue
(20:19:04) WHO: We have a dialogue
(20:19:19) bars228: personally, I don't even use a VPN. and nothing, they haven't come yet)
(20:19:26) xaos: yes and by double vpn I mean my own, not a public one
(20:20:47) WHO: So, I'm on a train now, keep in mind that if I have problems with the connection
(20:21:12) Topsy Kretts: suddenly))
(20:21:40) Sam_Fisher: Mission impossible
(20:22:01) WHO: Yeah, what can you do, we work in any conditions
(20:22:44) cos: at least it's not a side berth with an upper bunk?)
(20:22:45) WHO: Well ok
(20:23:00) 112233: more like a sleeper)
(20:23:10) bars228: Carved ticket, info is a hundred )
(20:23:27) WHO: cos: no, I'm in high-speed
(20:23:39) Anakisuto: when you card tickets in Russia, then you can think about double-VPN and other goodies
(20:23:45) cos: sapsanama spb msk
(20:24:45) xaos: what is better to install in a virtual machine, xp or 7?
(20:24:57) bars228: both are better
(20:25:04) Topsy Kretts: I just set up two)))
(20:25:17) Topsy Kretts: but I somehow got the main 7 wrong. there are constant errors. I'll reinstall it at night
(20:25:30) bars228: and CCTools only works fine in XP
(20:25:50) WHO: The contingent here is very different, from white to black, from those who already know something to those who are completely inexperienced, so we start from the very beginning and then go in order of the course program.
(20:26:14) WHO: The virtual machine can be put aside for now.
(20:26:46) Topsy Kretts: ok
(20:26:56) WHO: What I require from you first of all, if you are a green newbie
(20:28:06) WHO: You must learn to use a computer at an acceptable level
(20:29:07) 112233: qwerty123
(20:29:11) Anakisuto: that's how it is
(20:29:14) Anakisuto: well, I'll continue for now
(20:29:50) Anakisuto: The reason you were asked to install virtual machines is first of all so that you could see the main points of proper computer setup, what relates to what and what depends on what
(20:30:25) Anakisuto: This is important, since any site, when connected to it, sees a lot, a lot of data from your computer, right down to the screen resolution and set of fonts
(20:30:49) Anakisuto: And it's better to take everything into account right away than to think later why nothing went well
(20:31:44) WHO: It's good that there's someone to help out
(20:33:33) rusell: http://prntscr.com/e59ivs
(20:34:05) Anakisuto: Okay, I'll continue for now, while Taur is having problems with communications
(20:35:18) Anakisuto: Does anyone have any questions about how the virtualbox works?
(20:35:49) bars228: Is there a difference between virtualbox and warez? Which is better?)
(20:36:06) Anakisuto: To be honest, for me, VirtualBox 4 is ideal
(20:36:28) Anakisuto: Not a single glitch, shared folder is easy to set up, dragdrop and copy-paste links between the machine and the main PC
(20:36:38) Anakisuto: There is no specific difference in operation
(20:36:51) Anakisuto: Because you work in the system you installed, not the program
(20:37:09) Anakisuto: The program simply allows you to create virtual hardware, roughly speaking, in order to install the system
(20:39:05) bars228: Got it, thanks. I'll use both, I haven't noticed any difference either, except for the interface
(20:39:11) hanau16: volumeID doesn't want to install and SMAC is in Russian. it doesn't work. tried different ways, couldn't
(20:39:33) Anakisuto: Okay, guys, organizational moment, Tauris has problems with connection, so I'll continue the lecture.
Give me 5 minutes to compose your questions, I'll get myself some coffee in the meantime, otherwise he probably ran away there.
And we'll continue
(20:40:02) Anakisuto: Questions specifically about the settings, write to me in PM on the forum or to my toad, so that we don't spread unnecessary information for others here, I'll set everything up individually for everyone, if necessary
(20:40:08) Anakisuto: Agreed?
(20:40:22) bars228: hanau16 why do you need a Russifier? in our business you need to know English at least a little)
(20:40:28) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: Tauris said that volID is not needed. WELL and with Russian we'll probably manage without it))
(20:40:54) bars228: HardDiskSerialNumberChanger instead
(20:41:41) xaos: anakisuto can I have your jabber?
(20:42:06) Anakisuto: evasoul@xmpp.jp
(20:42:08) WHO: while I'm here, there are programs there that are simply alternatives to each other
(20:43:29) Anakisuto: I'm here
Before we get to analyzing the cards, I'll say a few important things
(20:46:03) hanau16: bars228: What if you're going to start typing in China?
(20:46:41) Bot438: which program is intended for what from those that we installed on the VM
(20:47:33) Anakisuto: CCleaner - cleans everything-everything-everything, everything that remains after any actions on the PC, plus everything from the browser
(20:47:45) Anakisuto: HardDiskSerialNumberChanger - well, here, I hope, everything is clear anyway
(20:48:26) Anakisuto: CCtools changes different identifiers
(20:48:27) Anakisuto: system, hardware
(20:48:35) Anakisuto: and others
(20:48:55) Anakisuto: VolID is essentially the same as HardDiskSerialNumberChanger
(20:48:58) 112233: Anakisuto: can antidetkd essentially replace them all?
(20:49:32) Anakisuto: Yes, maybe.
(20:49:49) Anakisuto: But this is all roughly speaking a budget version, antique is a good thing. but it is absolutely not worth the money
(20:49:57) cos: is this anti-detect?
(20:50:02) bars228: and if it is cracked?
(20:50:11) hanau16: Expensive 300 baku
(20:50:15) anatoly26: Program for changing data for the browser
(20:50:23) Anakisuto: It's a program, a set of utilities, that prevents your identification on the site
(20:50:23) 112233: I have cracked 6.5 and 7
(20:50:40) Anakisuto: I don't recommend the cracked one, large sites quickly adapt to its features
(20:50:47) bars228: only 6.5 is available
(20:50:58) bars228: well, what about the configs if you customize them?
(20:51:08) bars228: or buy them separately?)
(20:51:13) hanau16: How much does it cost?
(20:51:19) cos: I saw it on DM from Vektort13, what is antidetect?
(20:51:48) Anakisuto: Extra hassle, it's easier and more reliable to do it manually, moreover, the question here is, for what purpose do you need it?
(20:52:10) 112233: ease of use in a couple of clicks
(20:52:23) Anakisuto: If you want the shop to let you enter, there are much more reliable and reasonable methods
If you want to avoid being approached by trash, then I want to say one important thing specifically for you before we start analyzing the cards, or rather a number of things
(20:52:52) Anakisuto: 1. If you don’t work in the CIS countries, then your double-triple-quad VPN and other things are a good thing, but they won’t add to your security
(20:53:44) Anakisuto: You can read an interview with one large intermediary, shopfans, at your leisure for the sake of interest, there are some very sound things there regarding how difficult it is at the legislative and technical level to pick on you after you “borrowed” goods from the store
(20:54:18) Anakisuto: Many of those present do they use vpn to visit sites like vk, wallets and other?
(20:54:43) 112233: always under vpn+tor and no social networks
(20:54:55) Topsy Kretts: I'm a hotpost for the dark web only
(20:55:01) bars228: I don't use it at all
(20:55:49) Anakisuto: Topsy Kretts said a good thing
The thing is that if you are using vpn and various security tools on vk and similar sites, then it's much more suspicious
(20:56:32) xaos: I don't use social networks at all
(20:56:35) hanau16: What about carder boards?
(20:56:35) Anakisuto: But this is a digression.
It is better to enter shadow forums using a VPN, the databases on them are reliable, but if suddenly a dump is leaked or someone really needs you, then you can easily be found by IP.
We recently had such an unpleasant story on our board
(20:56:41) Anakisuto: Well, about social networks, that's your business
(20:57:04) anatoly26: What story?
(20:57:28) Anakisuto: I'll tell you at the end, let's get down to business first, and then we can get to the story)
(20:59:06) Anakisuto: In addition to acceptable PC skills, it is very important for you to understand that carding is not some set of actions that bring in money, it is not a scheme like those that are usually sold on different boards, I will say more, all these topics are complete nonsense, carding is a huge system in which first of all it is worth catching the wave, you can do this by understanding, let's say, not the basics, but the very essence, so that it becomes not just a baggage of memorized knowledge, but a full-fledged experience
(20:59:46) Anakisuto: Carding never stands still, not for a moment, and therefore you cannot stand still either
(20:59:56) Anakisuto: You can arrange a place for yourself and stand on it)
But that's another question
(21:00:14) Sam_Fisher: Anakisuto: it was only after understanding the essence that I started carding
(21:00:39) Anakisuto: Yes, that's how it happens
And the most important thing you should understand is that carding is a pleasant and interesting job for yourself
(21:00:50) Anakisuto: it's not a way to spend your free time, not a way to quickly make some money
(21:01:18) Anakisuto: a way to quickly make some money awaits you in dark alleys in the form of schoolchildren with iPhones, it's fast, effective and profitable, but first of all it's stupid, dirty and unsafe
(21:01:33) Anakisuto: And carding is a full-time job that takes a lot, a lot of effort, but brings in much more than it takes
(21:02:06) Sam_Fisher: Anakisuto: sorry that it's off topic, but who will be doing the logging and posting logs to the forum?
(21:02:19) Anakisuto: Well, actually, from the category of chatting, that's all I wanted to say
Let's get to the point
(21:02:21) Anakisuto: I'll save everything
(21:02:25) Anakisuto: And I'll throw it in the conversation
(21:02:40) Anakisuto: But just in case, someone else save the log, you never know what can happen
(21:03:50) Anakisuto: Clothing carding is tied, of course, to a credit card
(21:03:54) Anakisuto: Or to be more precise, to its data
(21:04:06) Anakisuto: Even if it's plastic, even if it's online payment, without data nothing will happen
(21:05:24) Anakisuto: 5178058934675854|03|2018|765|JESSE|BABCOCK|162 LAKE AVE|UNITED STATES|Boonton|NJ|07005|862.207.9702| va_tovah@hotmail.com
(21:05:27) Anakisuto: It looks like this
(21:06:19) Bot438: I've already removed everything from this card
(21:06:20) Anakisuto: Let's take it apart
5178058934675854 - card number
03\2018 - card expiration date
765 - three-digit code
(21:06:24) Anakisuto: Next comes First Name, Last Name
(21:06:40) Anakisuto: then house and street
(21:06:52) Anakisuto: Then country, city, state, zip code, phone, mail
(21:07:08) Anakisuto: such information as mail, phone may not be there, but it is secondary
(21:07:28) Anakisuto: in certain cases, of course, they are needed. but in general, no
(21:08:00) Anakisuto: Who of those present often pays for something with their card in the store?
(21:08:01) Anakisuto: Online
(21:08:13) bars228: And not only mine)
(21:08:41) Topsy Kretts: I often (((( (
21:08:53) Anakisuto: It doesn't matter, any card
The point is that in carding you have to pay exactly the same way
(21:08:57) chachak1: regularly with yours
(21:08:59) Anakisuto: How does an ordinary normal buyer behave
(21:09:12) Anakisuto: The buyer does not copy his card details and paste them into the payment window
(21:09:16) Anakisuto: He enters everything manually
(21:09:33) Anakisuto: Realism is one of the key points in carding
(21:09:53) Anakisuto: Let's get back to the cards
The first six digits are 517805 is a bin
(21:09:57) Anakisuto: it says everything about the card
(21:10:12) Anakisuto: Bank, class, type, all features
(21:10:29) Anakisuto: open the whole page bindb.com
(21:11:18) Anakisuto: Well, and like put a plus or something
(21:11:21) Anakisuto: So I know you did it
(21:11:33) Sam_Fisher: Platinum credit. Not bad
(21:11:48) Anakisuto: bin search tab
(21:12:24) Anakisuto: Paste the bin there
(21:12:42) Anakisuto: Solve the puzzle and get all the information about it
(21:13:23) Anakisuto: credit platinum, usa and bank name card issuer
(21:13:32) Anakisuto: we understand from the first digit that it is a master card
(21:13:45) Anakisuto: 5 - master card
4 - visa
6 - discovery
3 - American Express
(21:13:46) Topsy Kretts: 517805
(21:14:15) Anakisuto: Cards are divided into debit and credit
(21:14:23) Anakisuto: Debit with a stable balance, credit with credit limits
(21:15:06) Anakisuto: The Classic, Platinum, Gold, Business and other indicators tell us about the limits and bonuses available on the card, bonuses for the card owner, and the limits are already in our interests
(21:15:27) Anakisuto: We cannot find out the card balance, so we focus on these indicators
(21:15:36) Anakisuto: We can call the bank, yes, and find out the balance
(21:15:57) Anakisuto: But that will work if we're buying, say, a 3D printer for 6 grand and similar items
(21:16:05) Anakisuto: For small change, that's completely unnecessary
(21:16:19) Topsy Kretts: small change, what amounts are those?)
(21:17:26) Anakisuto: Well, look, I usually put it in my head like this:
on debit classic no more than 150, on credit no less than 1000
(21:17:26) 112233: yes, it is not clear from the amount, what amounts should I focus on when entering? 10,20, 100, 500?
(21:17:41) Anakisuto: this is all off the top of my head, it depends on a bunch of factors
(21:17:52) cos:
Free requests have been exceeded. If you are interested in purchasing our BIN product identification, you can contact our sales department at sales@bindb.com or call us: +1.302.703.7976
(21:18:07) 112233: are you on vpn? me too
(21:18:09) bars228: http://bins.pro here's another site
(21:18:12) cos: that's the thing
(21:19:15) Anakisuto: In most merch shops at some point they stop accepting this or that bin, some bin fits better, and all that, all this can only be learned from personal experience
(21:19:20) Anakisuto: Merch is a store's payment system
(21:19:37) cos: thanks, that shows everything
(21:19:53) Anakisuto: There is also an enroll, you will have a separate lecture on it
(21:19:57) Anakisuto: Enroll is internet banking
(21:20:02) Anakisuto: Like Sberbank Online))
(21:20:03) 112233: and you tell me which bins go well in which shops?
(21:20:16) 112233: or should I look for them myself?
(21:20:17) Topsy Kretts: ))))))
(21:20:33) Anakisuto: No, no one will tell you this information, because everyone has their own, there are an infinite number of shops in the world and they all hit different ones
(21:20:41) Anakisuto: Large companies have a certain base
(21:20:43) Anakisuto: *base
(21:20:49) Anakisuto: That's one thing
(21:20:58) bars228: that's why it's better to take not very popular banks, right?
(21:21:07) Anakisuto: And if we're talking about regular shops, then you won't know right away and you're unlikely to find out from anyone
(21:21:08) Anakisuto: True
(21:21:23) Anakisuto: But it's better not to overdo it and not take too unpopular ones, they may have limits outside the state, outside the country, etc.
(21:21:29) Anakisuto: Average is just right
(21:21:38) cos: or look for new shops?
(21:21:40) 112233: Which ones, for example? I'm not an American, so I wouldn't know the popularity of a bank)))
(21:21:59) 112233: or what parameters should I look at
(21:22:09) bars228: there aren't many popular ones there
(21:22:23) Anakisuto: the main popular ones are Wells, Santrust and the like
(21:22:34) Anakisuto: you can take them too, but not in super-large shops
(21:22:43) Anakisuto: We'll talk about this later, in other lectures
(21:22:53) Anakisuto: You will have practical classes, where you will see all this for yourself
(21:23:26) Anakisuto: There is also such a thing on cards, this is additional verification
(21:23:39) bars228: vbv?
(21:23:42) Anakisuto: VBV is a special security code for Visa, MCSC is for Master, and SafeCode is for Amex
(21:23:44) Anakisuto: that's right
(21:24:05) Topsy Kretts: we receive text messages using this system
(21:24:14) 112233: you can send them, right?
(21:24:14) Anakisuto: Yes, but there are almost no text messages in the US
(21:24:19) Anakisuto: there are a lot of them in Europe
(21:24:28) Anakisuto: very
(21:24:56) Anakisuto: As you can tell, cards are valid and invalid
(21:25:01) Anakisuto: Valid - alive. invalid - dead
(21:25:25) Anakisuto: some card sellers check their cards before selling, some don't
(21:25:35) Anakisuto: ug-market.com is the best checker in my humble opinion
(21:25:38) Anakisuto: it doesn't kill cards
(21:26:07) Anakisuto: as for additional verification,
not all cards have it and not all stores have it
(21:26:13) Anakisuto: in Europe, 80% of stores have it
(21:26:19) Anakisuto: in the US, about 30 percent
(21:26:28) Sam_Fisher: Are you talking about VBV?
(21:27:10) Anakisuto: about vbv, mksk, yes
(21:28:57) Anakisuto: Well, that's the end of the introductory lecture. This is the basic material you need to know about the cards.
Let's take a 10-15 minute break and I'll answer all your questions
(21:28:59) Anakisuto: Agreed?
(21:33:22) cos: ug-market.com
(21:33:24) Topsy Kretts: For example, I figured out which bean fits into the shop. Can I ask the CC seller to sell me this bean?
(21:33:36) cos: how do I check there?
(21:34:48) 112233: Topsy Kretts: it all depends on the seller, some ask more for it
(21:35:02) bars228: cos, register, top up your balance and check out
(21:35:14) Anakisuto: bars+
(21:35:39) cos: can you pay for checking one card or several at once?
(21:35:40) Anakisuto: Sellers sometimes charge a premium for bin selection, but that means they're shit eaters
because it's a completely natural request
(21:35:45) Anakisuto: You pay one buck there
(21:35:50) Anakisuto: and you can check 50 cards
(21:36:10) cos: ok
(21:37:24) bars228: ugscore.ru - here's another checker
(21:37:55) 112233: Does the .ru domain bother you?
(21:38:22) bars228: I don't know, I've been using it since last year
(21:39:07) Sam_Fisher: bars228: Is the domain in onion?
(21:39:40) bars228: only this one I know
(21:40:03) hanau16: have you seen bin builds on the net, are they relevant or crap?
(21:40:15) Sam_Fisher: hanau16: they've been nerded out for a long time already
(21:40:29) Sam_Fisher: because you're not the only one who knows about them
(21:40:43) bars228: the public is all nerded out)
(21:40:53) bars228: dying fast
(21:41:15) hanau16: So the production of cardboard is not in the hundreds.
(21:41:47) Sam_Fisher: hanau16: but from the influx of carders, the bank can lock the cards by bins
(21:41:56) Sam_Fisher: And ask clients to reissue
(21:42:10) Sam_Fisher: Merch may not allow bins
(21:42:29) Sam_Fisher: They can hang vbv on the newbv bin
(21:42:35) Sam_Fisher: There are many different reasons
(21:42:51) Sam_Fisher: Remember one rule: the public is always junk
(21:44:09) 112233: I bought one scheme from the deepnet, I'm checking it now
(21:44:22) 112233: the author is French
(21:44:41) bars228: buying schemes, I think, too crap
(21:44:52) bars228: who will sell their bread
(21:45:04) 112233: I don't understand it either
(21:45:37) 112233: but the scheme is ingenious and simple in theory)) it just takes a week
(21:46:07) Bot438: how much did you get?
(21:46:39) bars228: what topic is it related to?
(21:47:26) cos: I have a rus CC, how can I rip it apart without restoring the number?
(21:47:39) 112233: don't work on ru)
(21:47:40) Sam_Fisher: cos: it's better not to work on he
(21:47:48) 112233: the topic is related to paying yourself
(21:47:52) Bot438: I took it too, it doesn't work.
(21:48:25) xaos: what was the maximum amount you entered?
(21:48:31) cos: I don't want that myself, the debtor's sberbank credit card
(21:48:39) Sam_Fisher: xaos: 1k
(21:48:44) cos: more precisely, not even ss, but debit
(21:49:08) bars228: 112233, not Palkin's merch?
(21:49:14) 112233: no
(21:49:15) Sam_Fisher: cos: what's the difference between CC and debit?)
(21:49:16) xaos: sam_fisher how long have you been studying?
(21:49:32) cos: creditcard
(21:49:36) Sam_Fisher: xaos: half a year. I took everything from the public and learned in practice
(21:49:55) 112233: you pay with CC and you can immediately withdraw to btc, but to do that you need to pump up your account and do some small preparatory actions
(21:50:20) Sam_Fisher: cos: CC is the card itself. And debit/credit are already its classes
(21:50:26) xaos: give me your jabber sam
(21:50:57) cos: how do you pay with CC and transfer to bitcoins?
(21:51:11) cos: buy bitcoins for it or what?
(21:51:23) 112233: you pay with CC to your account, from this account you transfer to btc
(21:51:37) bars228: what is possible. you'll just get fucked up with verifications)
(21:51:43) bars228: if you take USA
(21:51:44) Sam_Fisher: xaos: samfisher@darknet.im
If you have any questions, write, I'll try to help as much as possible
(21:51:52) 112233: no security
(21:52:09) 112233: the topic is a month old, they'll probably start wanking soon)
(21:52:35) Anakisuto: that's it, I'm here
(21:52:39) Anakisuto: I'll answer them all now
(21:52:40) Anakisuto: one by one
(21:52:42) anatoly26: Tell me the story
(21:52:51) anatoly26: The one I was talking about
(21:55:24) Anakisuto: ru domain checker - no problem, it's just a
bin assembly checker - not always nerdy and not everywhere
regarding working with ru, write in PM if you want, I don't recommend working with ru, but if you do work, then I can advise as for CC in bitcoins, there are a lot of such companies and if you find them, then they are great, that's great, many require verification, but new ones appear every day, so you can find your golden corner here too
(21:57:37) bars228: and there won't be any topics regarding bank accounts?
(21:57:47) 112233: enroll?
(21:57:59) bars228: no
(21:58:10) Anakisuto: as for the story:
we have one guy on the board, I won't name him, he likes to drink, but he's a great person, it's a pleasure to work with him, so one guy scammed him for a large sum, then it turned out that not only him, but also a lot of people
in general, with a joint effort, found him down to his address and relatives
(21:58:14) Anakisuto: that's the story
(21:58:24) Anakisuto: according to BA it will, yes, this is included in the topic on the stick
(21:58:32) 112233: Anakisuto: punished? (
21:58:38) bars228: cool)
(21:58:44) bars228: wasn't his name Dimir?
(21:58:45) anatoly26: And I thought that the hounds covered
(21:59:10) Anakisuto: no one will really talk about the bays, but about BA + stick they will.
I will tell about the bays in my mini-lectures after the general material, but that's another story, as they say
(21:59:18) Anakisuto: I don't know about being punished, but I think so
(21:59:31) Anakisuto: the hounds don't cover almost anyone who does carding, there are a lot of difficulties in this
(21:59:38) anatoly26: Are bays a long job? I mean to rock it
(21:59:42) Anakisuto: but you don't need to show off what you're doing at every turn
(21:59:55) Anakisuto: with a stick yes, you don't need to rock anything with the bays themselves, but there are a lot of nuances
(21:59:58) Anakisuto: more on that later
(22:00:05) Anakisuto: are there any other questions regarding today's lecture?
(22:00:31) Topsy Kretts: I didn't really understand about the merch. is it a bank through which the store makes transactions, right?
(22:00:44) xaos: where can I get these bins, etc.
(22:00:45) Bot438: there is an organizational question, what is the class schedule?
(22:00:46) Topsy Kretts: through which the payment is made by card
(22:02:11) Anakisuto: no, the bank is the bank
and the merch transfers the payment from the store to the bank and returns the result back to the store
(22:02:13) Anakisuto: roughly speaking, so
(22:02:25) Topsy Kretts: one merch fits one thing, another fits another. If you know the merch you've already typed in, do you look for a store with the same merch??
(22:02:26) Anakisuto: essentially these are payment systems like PayPal, Yandex money and so on
(22:02:30) Anakisuto: that's right
(22:03:05) 112233: Anakisuto: well, to complete the material, some shops would be nice....)))
(22:03:29) Topsy Kretts: and I would like Homework))
(22:03:36) Sam_Fisher: 112233: it's too early
(22:04:28) Anakisuto: as soon as you find "your" merch, things will go uphill)
it's not difficult
from the info on merch I can say the following

Sagepay:
There is no ABS in the merch, but there is a VBV check.
You can beat bil=ship
volusion usa)
usp usa no vbv
worldpay usa no vbv
yahoo usa eats, if there is no avs in the shop secure
trading usa nobv
authorize eu, usa
alipay canada + vbv
skril cc canada

Sagepay - eu nobv
Volusion aka 3dcart - usa often, but
it happens that it swears at avs, we beat eu.
Worldpay fits usa newbv, not all, need to
look for bins
WUpay - similar to worldpay
Securetrading - newbv usa, also not all
bins fit, but not uncommon
Paraspar - similar to Sagepay, eu newbv
PayGate - regular usa fits
YUK shops, where merch is built into the shop, where
you can notice the presence in 99% vbv and mksk
- we beat usa with vbv, specifically with a vbv password,
icpayment - beat both usa and eu, everything
fits perfectly
(22:04:30) Topsy Kretts: does it matter which bank comes after the merch?? Is it decided to enter or not to enter at the merch?
(22:04:59) Anakisuto: there will be no homework yet, since the lecture is introductory
(22:05:17) Topsy Kretts: what is avs
(22:05:31) Sam_Fisher: Address verification
(22:05:37) Anakisuto: it doesn't matter, everything is decided by the merch, it has a number of measures that it takes towards the buyer in case of a screw-up, also the shops themselves build the merch, including avs in it
(22:05:40) Anakisuto: avs is a system
(22:05:50) Anakisuto: which gives the merch access to bank files
(22:06:01) Anakisuto: which contain the card details and address
(22:06:12) Anakisuto: there is usually no name, so in 90% of cases you can specify any name
(22:06:25) 112233: Topsy Kretts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Verification_System
(22:07:45) Topsy Kretts: alipay canada+vbv
(22:07:54) Topsy Kretts: decipher with an example plz
(22:08:14) Topsy Kretts: eats canada with virif?
(22:09:17) Anakisuto: skrill wrote by mistake, it's better not to touch it at all now
(22:09:47) Anakisuto: yes, but that's purely because I was in a Canadian shop, it depends on the country, but Canada fits in well in general
(22:10:17) Topsy Kretts: did you write this from your head or copy it from your file)?
(22:10:27) Bot438: are we going to go over this terminology in more detail?
(22:10:57) Anakisuto: I copied some of it from my notes, some from when I was writing it down from one person, some from my head
(22:11:13) Anakisuto: we'll go over it right now, I just thought there weren't any unclear terms, but since there are, let's go over them
(22:11:15) Anakisuto: I'm all for it
(22:11:59) Topsy Kretts: There's no AVS in the merch, but there's a VBV check.
You can hit beat = thorn
(22:12:07) Topsy Kretts: there’s enough slang here) let’s sort it out?
(22:12:53) 112233: if we take this example specifically, can the spike be indicated in the Russian Federation?
(22:12:53) Bot438: yes, in general, all the abbreviations from the long message
(22:13:09) Topsy Kretts: the opposite seems to be 112233
(22:13:34) Topsy Kretts: or maybe I don’t understand)
(22:13:47) Anakisuto: avs wrote above, vbv verification means that the merch checks vbv\mksk, that is, if such a check exists (it is also called 3d secure), then either use cards without verification, or those for which you know the vbv\mksk code
(22:13:49) Anakisuto: and vice versa
(22:13:57) Anakisuto: if the merch does not have vbv verification
(22:14:01) Anakisuto: then it doesn’t matter which card
(22:14:14) Anakisuto: billing address - billing address, the address to which the card is linked
(22:14:21) Anakisuto: shipping address - the address to which they send
(22:14:36) Topsy Kretts: and are the VBV MSK codes obtained from the enroll? or sold with CC
(22:14:53) 112233: they are different for each transaction
(22:15:06) Topsy Kretts: mmm
(22:15:14) bars228: Topsy Kretts, usually the data from the enroll is enough to put the code
(22:15:16) anatoly26: Like the ones that come via SMS
(22:15:21) Anakisuto: bil=ship, this means that instead of billing you specify the address to which you will send (which means there is no vbv in the merch)
if ship=bil, then there is avs and the shop does not send at all to addresses that differ from the billing
(22:15:38) Anakisuto: codes are obtained using bins that have a code change
(22:15:50) Anakisuto: you set it yourself and then use it
(22:15:53) Anakisuto: in us it is not disposable
(22:15:54) Anakisuto: but permanent
(22:16:03) Anakisuto: they do not come via SMS
(22:16:43) Anakisuto: I will teach you later how to search for such beans, and for those who are too lazy to search, I sell them on the forum, I have a link in my signature))
(22:16:55) Anakisuto: (22:12:53) 112233: if we take this specific example, can the ship be specified as RF?
it does not depend on the merch
(22:16:57) Anakisuto: and from the shop
(22:17:11) 112233: ok, thanks
(22:17:28) Anakisuto: if the shop sends to Russia, then you can, if not, then no,
it can also send to Russia, but not SEND to Russia
(22:17:29) Topsy Kretts: does the merch have a website with a catalog of the stores it serves?!))))
(22:18:01) Anakisuto: no, it was done that way on purpose so that smart guys like you and me don't look for shops by merch, but you will be taught how to look for shops in the next lectures, including by merch
(22:18:13) Anakisuto: there is also a great website builtwith.com
(22:18:18) Anakisuto: but there is sometimes false information there
(22:18:30) Anakisuto: but it just shows which shops have such merch
(22:18:46) Anakisuto: but I still advise you to search manually, because it can make mistakes, and it only gives 50 shops without a paid subscription
(22:19:29) Topsy Kretts: and why is 50 not enough?)
(22:19:40) Anakisuto: very little
(22:19:48) Topsy Kretts: wow
(22:19:49) Anakisuto: out of these 50, only one can send, for example)
(22:20:34) 112233: will you tell us about intermediaries and the call service?
(22:20:52) Anakisuto: yeah, you'll get all that later
(22:20:54) Topsy Kretts: but in theory it's better to look for one that sends to RU or something? it'll be cheaper to ship and use an intermediary, right
(22:21:02) Anakisuto: whoever knows English, I'll tell you later how to call yourself
(22:21:10) Anakisuto: well, you're both right and wrong
(22:21:12) 112233: ok, cool)
(22:21:54) Anakisuto: better, but you can spend a week and find the treasured shop that will send the apple directly to RU
, or you can type in a day for an intermediary and in two weeks you'll already be holding the apple in your hands
(22:21:55) Bot438: there's an organizational issue, what's the class schedule?
(22:22:22) Topsy Kretts: I really want to get an apple in a day
(22:22:38) Topsy Kretts: Euridean
(22:22:38) Anakisuto: Well, we need to decide with Tauris, how he will be online,
approximately Mon-Wed-Fri, but depending on your and his plans, you can change it later
(22:24:21) Anakisuto: Well, if there are no more questions, then have a good evening everyone,
I'll throw the log in the forum correspondence
(22:24:37) anatoly26: Same to you
(22:24:47) Topsy Kretts: Thank you) Good luck to everyone!
(22:24:48) Sadam: likewise
(22:24:51) 112233: thanks for the lecture)
(22:24:53) Topsy Kretts: It's a pity we didn't meet Tauris))))
(22:25:03) Topsy Kretts: Now you'll be the favorite in our eyes)))))))
(22:25:17) bars228: thanks for the lecture, I'm waiting for the continuation)
(22:25:49) Anakisuto: You'll meet him again, he's like this :yes: man
(22:25:58) Bot438: 12 lessons?
(22:26:03) Anakisuto: thank you for being there
(22:26:44) chachak1: Thank you!

[19:27:01] <Topsy Kretts>
[19:28:31] <Sam_Fisher> WHO: Are you going to give a lecture today?
[19:28:56] <WHO> yes
[19:31:19] <Bot438> let's get started, time is running out
[19:31:30] <bars228> Go
[19:32:31] <WHO> I watched the last lecture, I repeat once again, each lesson has a topic, we discuss it, either what we've already covered, what we haven't covered - no need to ask, no need to mention, whoever is going to confuse me newbies at the initial lectures, better not come, we have a clear, worked out plan. If anyone is impatient about something, write separately.
[19:32:57] <WHO> This is about ABC, etc. Do you need some confusion here?
[19:33:32] <Bot438> that's what they said, I decided to figure out what kind of crap ABC is
[19:34:06] <WHO> Well, that's bad, what they said
[19:35:13] <WHO> This guy was teaching for the first time, he replaced me, one of our successful tubers, he just doesn't have enough experience giving lectures.
[19:35:45] <Topsy Kretts> did a great job
[19:35:53] <Topsy Kretts> without any preparation
[19:35:56] <Bot438> well, I don't know
[19:36:15] <WHO> I didn't say it was bad.
[19:37:00] <WHO> First, I bring everyone to the same level. Because our courses start from scratch. That's why it's not comme il faut to talk about ABC in the first lecture.
[19:37:28] <Topsy Kretts> good that it is) we will all feel confident
[19:38:26] <WHO> A couple of questions. Those who have experience, we will not answer.
[19:38:30] <WHO> What is a bin?
[19:38:48] <Vovchi> it is 6 digits in the card no., the first six
[19:38:52] <Sadam> the first six digits of the card number
[19:38:53] <Sadam> 6
[19:39:01] <WHO> What can you find out from a bin?
[19:39:06] <Sadam> bank
[19:39:07] <Topsy Kretts> bank, card type, class
[19:39:15] <Sadam> type class
[19:39:19] <Vovchi> to which bank and what type is it
[19:39:40] <WHO> Difference between debit and credit cards?
[19:39:47] <hanau16> Basic card info
[19:39:54] <Topsy Kretts> limits, I guess?
[19:40:00] <Topsy Kretts> no.
[19:40:00] <Sadam> credit limit available
[19:40:11] <Vovchi> deb. - personal, like money in the account, and credit is money that the bank lends
[19:40:35] <WHO> How can I find out the balance on the CC?
[19:40:38] <hanau16> Is there a credit line or not
[19:40:53] <Vovchi> call, but not advisable)
[19:40:53] <Topsy Kretts> call the bank? enroll
[19:41:00] <hanau16> Call-checker
[19:41:03] <Topsy Kretts> you can estimate by the type of credit card
[19:41:33] <rusell> checked
[19:41:41] <Topsy Kretts> check ONLY VALID Or not
[19:41:43] <Topsy Kretts> imho
[19:41:51] <chachak1> impossible
[19:41:53] <WHO> The correct answer is enroll
[19:42:03] <WHO> enroll (online banking)
[19:42:07] <112233> what about calling?
[19:42:11] <WHO> Sberbank online, as an analogue
[19:42:35] <WHO> How do you imagine, you are the card owner and you call to ask about your balance?
[19:42:48] <112233> I check with robots
[19:43:03] <bars228> This is not in all banks
[19:43:22] <Topsy Kretts> 112233 is pumped up damn)
[19:43:33] <bars228> By the way, it is also not always possible to do an enrollment
[19:43:46] <bars228> Various information is needed
[19:44:01] <WHO> In fact, the answer that suits us at this stage is - no way
[19:44:14] <WHO> But it is not necessary.
[19:44:22] <WHO> They usually have ok balances
[19:44:51] <WHO> This is on the topic of not asking the seller about the balance when buying a card, so they don't tell you to fuck off
[19:44:51] <hanau16> That's good
[19:45:03] <WHO> They'll find out that you're from procrd
[19:45:38] <Vovchi> Is it better or worse when they find out?
[19:46:13] <WHO> After questions like that - it's worse
[19:46:21] <Sam_Fisher> Also, sellers don't know the bins for NovBV, bins for Ali, Ebay, Amazon and other sites
[19:46:22] <bars228> But you have to look at the card type and level, right? Usually there is nothing on Prepaid type maps
[19:47:07] <WHO> bars228: High map type just gives more chance
[19:47:13] <112233> Sam_Fisher: they probably just don't want to talk
[19:47:32] <WHO> Regarding tools for work, for those who don't know yet
[19:47:45] <WHO> Screenshots - http://prnt.sc/
[19:47:55] <WHO> Download the program and do it through it
[19:48:01] <Topsy Kretts> LightShot, right?
[19:48:28] <Topsy Kretts> +
[19:48:32] <WHO> I come across shots that are taken through paint, then uploaded to a file sharing service and the screenshot is sent to me
[19:49:22] <Topsy Kretts> is it worth logging in with a fake account? or not
[19:49:26] <Topsy Kretts> to this service
[19:49:27] <WHO> https://privnote.com/# - anonymous notes service, if you need to pass
[19:49:52] <WHO> Topsy Kretts: yes, it seems you don't need to log in there
[19:49:58] <Topsy Kretts> yes, you can do without.. ok
[19:50:32] <WHO> Passwords, bins, shops, etc., can be stored in the keepass program
[19:50:33] <WHO> keepass.info
[19:50:45] <WHO> Very convenient and reliable
[19:51:20] <WHO> Who needs to hide their activities from their wife, video -

[19:51:35] <WHO> *yes, there have been some like that
[19:51:58] <WHO> Everything I say is for a reason, all sorts of things have happened
[19:52:11] <WHO> Or if you're paranoid
[19:52:32] <Sam_Fisher> Now, instead of TrueCrypt, it's better to use VeraCrypt
[19:52:41] <Topsy Kretts> it'll come in handy 100%
[19:52:52] <hanau16> why?
[19:53:03] <WHO> You can tell right away who reads the news)
[19:53:15] <Topsy Kretts> where do they write this news!??)
[19:53:26] <WHO> For those who don't know about the existence of an anonymous browser, please - https://www.torproject.org/
[19:53:41] <WHO> Surfing the forums, your choice is Tor
[19:54:33] <WHO> A simpler browser, but from the same category - epic privacy browser
[19:56:42] <WHO> Tor will always work, if it's not a question of server problems
[19:59:34] <112233> WHO: the news says that the March group will have a quick start for newbies, can't we expect this?
[20:00:09] <Vovchi> how do you mean quick....?
[20:01:48] <WHO> What you can make money on - fast
[20:02:23] <WHO> So, that means that we've closed the questions.
[20:02:38] <WHO> Today I wanted to discuss options for anonymity on the Internet
[20:03:04] <WHO> It can also be considered from a security point of view
[20:03:50] <WHO> To work, we need to be able to hide our IP
[20:04:33] <WHO> The point is not to hide from the cops, but to deceive the security system in shops, the so-called anti-fraud
[20:05:00] <WHO> Anti-frauds come in different varieties and work in different ways
[20:05:24] <WHO> They are needed precisely to protect against us (carders)
[20:06:02] <WHO> By the way, we are engaged in a business that moves progress
[20:06:31] <cos> and moves the Russian economy)
[20:06:49] <WHO> Read the first major one at your leisure forum on carding in the CIS - http://carderplanet.priv8.us/Wc1dfc603d26e.html
[20:07:55] <WHO> "The special services send requests to our countries of residence with requests to establish data on me and on other people, no one needs this at all. And I can say that they do this in vain, this forum developed them and kept them informed of events, their employees and bank employees improved their qualifications on our forum, now everything will happen exactly the same, only they will not know which way the wind is blowing, and what to do."
[20:07:58] <WHO> Quote)
[20:08:11] <WHO> 2004
[20:08:37] <WHO> The topic is only developing, the words turned out to be true.
[20:08:40] <Sam_Fisher> Is this the same carderplanet?
[20:08:42] <WHO> yes
[20:09:22] <Sam_Fisher> I thought,that the forum was closed 15 years ago
[20:09:29] <WHO> They did close it
[20:09:32] <WHO> These are archives
[20:10:04] <WHO> If anyone is from Ukraine, maybe you've heard of the "Internet Party of Ukraine" with Darth Vader
[20:10:18] <bars228> I'm from Ukraine
[20:10:32] <bars228> We're going to have a revolution here soon)
[20:10:34] <WHO> The question is, aren't you from Ukraine, but have you heard of the party?
[20:10:53] <bars228> Of course
[20:11:56] <bars228> But as everyone knows, parties with practically zero ratings came to power
[20:12:29] <Bot438> How will this info help us in practice? bars228
[20:12:29] <WHO> Well, here is one of the leaders of the planet, the owner of this party
[20:13:13] <WHO> http://www.securitylab.ru/news/264903.php
[20:13:18] <WHO> That's how we live
[20:13:25] <hanau16> He made a lot of money and got into politics.
[20:14:06] <WHO> Since you're here, you need to know the annals of history
[20:15:39] <hanau16> WHO WHEN WILL WE START?
[20:16:00] <WHO> hanau16: And we are already in the process
[20:16:01] <112233> started
[20:16:36] <WHO> So here are the security systems
[20:17:11] <WHO> The idea is that every schoolchild, having got hold of these cards, could not just go and punch through any shop
[20:18:08] <WHO> That's why we are here, to master the knowledge that will help to bypass all this
[20:19:28] <WHO> Roughly, to imagine what we are talking about and roughly to understand what data the shop sees, we go to whoer.net
[20:20:20] <WHO> For this site we need to adjust the settings of our system
[20:21:07] <WHO> The point is that we, Vasya from Khabarovsk, enter the card of John from Miami, they will not let us do anything
[20:21:55] <WHO> Conclusion - we need to adjust to John (there are options if we work with drops, this is later)
[20:22:44] <WHO> To adjust your computer to the required parameters, so-called anonymity bundles come to the rescue
[20:22:53] <WHO> Let's consider them
[20:23:34] <WHO> This is a virtual machine with software that you disassembled
[20:23:58] <WHO> But the virtual machine itself will not give us the necessary IP address
[20:24:41] <WHO> in this regard, we turn to socks or ssx tunnels
[20:24:58] <WHO> they help us select the IP we need, right down to the zip address
[20:26:01] <WHO> To all this, you can add a VPN, which is installed on the main system (not on virtual machine!), but it is not a mandatory condition
[20:26:33] <WHO> It turns out to be a combination of VPN + virtual machine + sock or tunnel
[20:27:17] <WHO> Considering the work with software on a virtual machine, there is a simpler alternative
[20:27:20] <WHO> Dedicated server
[20:27:42] <WHO> Dedicated server is a dedicated server
[20:27:50] <WHO> 91.235.176.91@user;12345
[20:28:02] <WHO> Example of what a dedicated server looks like
[20:28:16] <WHO> Consists of IP, login and password
[20:28:44] <WHO> 91.235.176.91 - ip
[20:28:56] <WHO> user - login
[20:29:00] <WHO> 12345 - password
[20:29:25] <WHO> @ - is a separator between ip and login
[20:29:51] <112233> WHO: what socks are better to use? I use vip 72, but often I don't have the necessary zip. Also, is it possible to use a cracked cybergost? Free cyber has poor speed, as I understand it, this affects fraud points. What is more effective socks or dedicated server?
[20:30:35] <WHO> Questions, in the allotted time, you will repeat them when I give you time for this
[20:31:25] <WHO> 5 minute smoke break, you need to make a gift on Amazon =)
[20:31:42] <Topsy Kretts> a gift in 5 minutes?)
[20:31:56] <Sam_Fisher> Not bad smoke breaks)
[20:32:06] <bars228> Can I have a video?)
[20:32:38] <WHO> mail - text - payment, what time is there for
[20:33:33] <bars228> I heard that Amazon has the toughest, self-learning anti-fraud. Is it true?
[20:34:02] <Topsy Kretts> solid)
[20:36:58] <Bot438> explain for now, please, whoever knows what these socks are, where to get them and how to use them?
[20:38:01] <Sam_Fisher> Bot438: socks? a sock is a proxy. It's also called Socks5. You buy a proxy. And they'll tell us how to use it later)
[20:38:37] <Topsy Kretts> how is a tunnel different and what are the advantages?
[20:38:37] <Bot438> ok, thanks for highlighting
[20:39:09] <Sam_Fisher> Topsy Kretts: everything is encrypted in a tunnel. And they last longer. These are their main differences
[20:39:27] <cos> a gift is a purchase certificate, right? is it easier to make a ship for a gift?
[20:40:20] <Sam_Fisher> I think Tauris will tell and show everything later. Wait a bit)
[20:42:22] <WHO> http://prntscr.com/e6n97v
[20:42:26] <WHO> they might not give it yet)
[20:43:04] <WHO> Amazon's antifraud is crap, not counting the fact that they like to check orders manually
[20:43:33] <bars228> I usually get Cancel after 5 minutes)
[20:43:41] <bars228> I did it from a virtual machine
[20:43:58] <Topsy Kretts> I don't understand yet) was the gift successful?
[20:44:47] <WHO> gift goes up to 5 o'clock, idk
[20:44:56] <Topsy Kretts> MMM
[20:44:58] <WHO> Okay
[20:45:01] <WHO> next
[20:45:02] <WHO> Dedicated
server [20:45:20] <WHO> How to start a dedicated server
[20:45:35] <WHO> Here we turn on our talent for using a dedicated server
[20:45:42] <WHO> oh, what a dedicated server
[20:45:45] <WHO> got carried away
[20:45:48] <WHO> GOOGLE!
[20:46:01] <WHO> Google the query "how to connect to a dedicated server"
[20:46:15] <Sam_Fisher> WHO:are you using regular RDP or something else?
[20:46:31] <WHO> googled it - we know how to run it
[20:46:55] <bars228> Did you just enter the gift from the dedicated server?)
[20:47:03] <WHO> Basic questions, you need to be able to figure it out yourself, your brain should be able to work, and not have everything handed to you on a platter
[20:47:10] <WHO> Sam_Fisher: Normal
[20:47:12] <WHO> bars228: yes
[20:48:57] <WHO> well, let's say I connected to the dedicated server - http://prntscr.com/e6ncqh
[20:49:01] <WHO> everything looks simple
[20:49:56] <WHO> and I go to whoer - http://prntscr.com/e6nda6
[20:50:13] <WHO> that's how the dedicated server works
[20:51:01] <Topsy Kretts> this is + tunnel,?
[20:51:06] <Topsy Kretts> it says there)
[20:51:25] <bars228> some kind of nonsense, don't believe this dick)
[20:51:36] <WHO> No, without a tunnel, the dedicated server is just a little exposed
[20:51:59] <bars228> it detects the same thing on my main machine
[20:52:48] <WHO> The downside of a dedicated server is that it doesn't last forever
[20:52:54] <WHO> It can die at any moment
[20:52:57] <bars228> but the tunnel is still exposed by the open port 22 and the Linux system
[20:53:06] <hanau16> And how does March feel about this a little
[20:53:24] <WHO> To make it live longer, you need to create a separate one for this account
[20:53:35] <WHO> for this the dedicated server must have admin rights
[20:54:16] <WHO> How to create and hide an account - https://privnote.com/Wqh778qE#3wCurlwNg
[20:55:00] <WHO> The advantage of a dedicated server is that you don't need to play with different software, etc., the hardware there is already what we need
[20:55:55] <WHO> If we need another IP, different from the dedicated server's IP, we can also use CCX tunnels or socks
[20:57:08] <hanau16> Does this mean one dedicated server, one store?
[20:57:43] <WHO> No
[20:58:15] <WHO> The situation may be different when you need to change the IP
[20:58:35] <WHO> On the contrary, if we need to enter different cards into one store, for example
[20:58:59] <Sam_Fisher> WHO: on the dedas there may be different names of the RDP and admin groups. I have an old bat file that is suitable for any system with any name. It may come in handy
https://privnote.com/hNZhXJ4I#0ksa4UDCT
[20:59:09] <WHO> Here you can also connect a VPN to the main
[20:59:11] <WHO> machine*
[21:00:12] <WHO> Sam_Fisher: Here you go, explain to everyone who didn't understand what you said
[21:00:28] <112233> yeah, I don't get it
[21:00:35] <Sam_Fisher> WHO: no problem
[21:01:29] <hanau16> Well, come on, fisherman, don't be tamii
[21:02:00] <Sam_Fisher> WHO: many people know that in the Windows system there is a division of rights for accounts. There are several of these groups and they are allocated for specific tasks

https://imgur.com/CbEBKSu

[21:03:00] <Sam_Fisher> On the dedicated server, we are only interested in two groups: Administrators (they have all privileges) and Remote Desktop Users. Users of this particular group are allowed to remotely connect to the computer
[21:03:51] <Sam_Fisher> The example of creating an account that Tauris gave can be used, but there are cases when groups are called Adminisrateorus or something else
[21:04:17] <Sam_Fisher> In this case, we need to go into the properties of the account groups and look at their names
[21:04:42] <Sam_Fisher> But also, each group has its own identifier, which is the same for everyone, regardless of the name of the group itself
[21:05:03] <Sam_Fisher> And the batch file that I gave, by this identifier, extracts the name of the group and creates an account
[21:05:35] <Sam_Fisher> Something like that)
[21:05:43] <112233> is this written in the smdv dedic?
[21:05:54] <Topsy Kretts> it's to create a user on the dedicated server with the admin who lives longer, right? (but for all cases the group names)
[21:06:36] <Sam_Fisher> In my batch file you just replace Свой_Login and Свой_Password with the desired values, save the document with the .bat extension and run it on the dedicated server
[21:06:53] <Topsy Kretts> and what will happen
[21:06:54] <Sam_Fisher> Topsy Kretts: sometimes you need not only Amazon dedicated servers for work
[21:06:58] <Sam_Fisher> But also hand-made ones
[21:07:15] <Sam_Fisher> And for this, so that the computer admin will notice you less, your own account is created
[21:07:25] <Sam_Fisher> There are plenty of articles on the Internet about working on hand-made dedicated servers
[21:07:40] <Sam_Fisher> There are details there it is described how to behave with them
[21:07:44] <hanau16> when buying a dedicated server, can I choose with what rights
[21:07:50] <Sam_Fisher> Yes
[21:08:05] <Sam_Fisher> Normal sellers provide the ability to select by rights
[21:08:25] <112233> how much does a dedicated server cost on average
[21:08:41] <Sam_Fisher> Depending on the country/region and other things
[21:08:52] <WHO> the price of a normal dedicated server for our needs is from 7 to 15
[21:08:53] <Sam_Fisher> But it is more expensive than Tunnel and SOCKS
[21:09:21] <WHO> They are more expensive and die, so in this regard it is worse than using a virtual machine
[21:09:32] <WHO> But more convenient
[21:09:40] <WHO> Sam_Fisher: Thanks for explaining
[21:10:17] <Sam_Fisher> WHO: now I understand you when you give lectures=)
[21:11:04] <Topsy Kretts> at our stage, virtual makes more sense.. right?
[21:11:06] <WHO> Sam_Fisher: Go ahead, I see the prospects
[21:11:28] <WHO> Topsy Kretts:The meaning depends on personal preference and possibilities.
[21:11:54] <WHO> Luckily, I don't even have a virtual machine installed, I just don't need it, it's easier for me to buy a dedicated server
[21:12:01] <WHO> someone works...
[21:12:12] <Topsy Kretts> because your success rate is high)
[21:12:33] <Topsy Kretts> and for trial and error, it's probably worth fiddling with the virtual machine
[21:12:44] <Topsy Kretts> am I right?
[21:12:58] <Bot438> well done, everything is correct
[21:13:16] <hanau16> And how do you adjust the data to the holder?
[21:13:32] <Sam_Fisher> hanau16: it all happens at the purchase stage
[21:13:36] <WHO> if you use a virtual machine, it doesn't mean that you will have more errors, no one said anything like that
[21:14:01] <WHO> When buying a dedicated server, you can choose the IP you need
[21:14:03] <Topsy Kretts> very interesting ((
[21:14:23] <WHO> <112233> WHO: what socks are better to use? I use VIP 72, but I often don't have the necessary zip. Is it also possible to use a cracked cybergost? Free Cyber's speed suffers, as I understand it, this affects the fraud points. What is more effective, socks or a dedicated server?
[21:14:38] <Topsy Kretts> so a dedicated server isn't always even needed tunnel?
[21:14:43] <Bot438> and how long does 1 dedicated server live?
[21:14:52] <Topsy Kretts> because you can take a very suitable one
[21:15:00] <Sam_Fisher> Topsy Kretts: you don't need a tunnel at all for a dedicated server. These are two different things
[21:15:32] <WHO> - Personally, if I use socks, then vip72, if not under zip, I take under the city, if not under the city, I take under the state. Regarding VPN, it does not affect our VBIN, because it is not the final IP
[21:16:01] <WHO> If the sock is clean and if the dedicated server is clean, then it is essentially the same thing
[21:16:06] <WHO> http://ip-score.com/
[21:16:14] <WHO> another site for checking ip
[21:16:16] <Sam_Fisher> Topsy Kretts: both the dedicated server and the tunnel are used to disguise themselves as a holder. But they do it using different methods
[21:16:35] <WHO> here it also shows if your IP is on blacklists
[21:16:51] <WHO> Mainly for spam companies
[21:17:13] <WHO> You can compare a sock and a tunnel
[21:17:16] <WHO> What's the difference
[21:17:50] <WHO> If we need constant access from one IP, then our choice is a tunnel
[21:17:56] <WHO> If you type it in and forget about it - a sock
[21:18:01] <WHO> Socks die quickly
[21:18:09] <WHO> Well, tunnels work faster
[21:18:17] <Bot438> [22:14:37] <Bot438> how long does one dedicated server live?
[21:18:36] <Sam_Fisher> Bot438: it all depends on the dedicated server admin himself
[21:18:43] <Sam_Fisher> And on your visibility
[21:19:04] <Topsy Kretts> who is he, the dedicated server admin?? The guy who got hacked?
[21:19:12] <Sam_Fisher> Yes
[21:19:20] <cos> why might you need a permanent IP?
[21:19:22] <Sam_Fisher> The one who sits at the real machine on the other side of the screen
[21:19:43] <Topsy Kretts> that is, I can log in at the moment when he is at the PC. and I will not be able to run the batch file
[21:20:14] <hanau16> Is there software to extend the life of the tunnel and the sock. and is there any point?
[21:20:20] <Bot438> ah, I get it, thanks
[21:21:05] <Topsy Kretts> is the dedicated server sold to one person??
[21:21:09] <Sam_Fisher> Topsy Kretts: Type a simple query into Google "how not to get caught on a dedicated server" and it will give you a bunch of articles on forums about this. If you don't understand something, write me a PM
[21:21:15] <Topsy Kretts> ok
[21:23:42] <rusell> is this the end of the lecture or what?
[21:24:42] <WHO> Give me your questions
[21:24:48] <WHO> and we'll close for today
[21:25:09] <112233> WHO: Fingerprint canvas, can you tell me more about it
[21:25:17] <Topsy Kretts> what is it))
[21:25:46] <hanau16> Is there software to extend the life of the tunnel and sock? and is there any point?
[21:25:47] <rusell> I was thrown out, and half of the correspondence was lost. Does anyone have the whole text?
[21:26:15] <112233> Topsy Kretts: parameters by which antifraud is triggered
[21:26:32] <112233> I understood that only in pumped up shops
[21:26:37] <Topsy Kretts> rusell: sent me a PM
[21:26:52] <rusell> thanks
[21:27:45] <112233> and can anyone use my computer as a dedicated server?)
[21:27:51] <Bot438> me
[21:28:09] <112233> so there is no protection against this?
[21:28:22] <Topsy Kretts> question: Socks and tunnels, we talked about them, but at the same time I received an answer that this is not necessary for a dedicated server. Or does this still happen? In what case?
[21:28:47] <112233> Topsy Kretts: if you want to change the IP on the dedicated server, then you need to
[21:28:56] <112233> replace*
[21:30:08] <112233> Sam_Fisher: consciousness expanded by experience will never narrow to the previous one)
[21:30:20] <Sam_Fisher> 112233: no one is protected from hacking. As they say: the best antivirus is a gasket between the monitor and the chair
[21:31:18] <WHO> so
[21:32:30] <WHO> <hanau16> Is there software to extend the life of the tunnel and the sock. And is there any point?
[21:32:31] <WHO> no
[21:32:37] <WHO> <rusell> I was kicked out, and half of the correspondence was lost. Does anyone have the whole text?
[21:32:39] <WHO> will be in the group
[21:32:45] <WHO> <112233> and can anyone use my computer as a dedicated server?)
[21:32:46] <WHO> maybe
[21:33:01] <rusell> they already kicked me out
[21:33:47] <WHO> <Topsy Kretts> question: Socks and tunnels, We talked about them, but at the same time I received the answer that it is not necessary for a dedicated server. Or does it still take place? In what case?
[21:33:54] <WHO> if we need to change our ip
[21:34:38] <Sam_Fisher> WHO: do you have Pidgin? It is impossible to get history from Miranda
[21:36:11] <Topsy Kretts> Sam_Fisher: what kind of Amazon dedicated servers are these?
[21:36:31] <Sam_Fisher> Topsy Kretts: dedicated servers that are hosted on Amazon servers
[21:36:55] <Sam_Fisher> The difference is that you are the only owner
[21:37:30] <112233> are they free, I think?
[21:38:32] <WHO> no
[21:38:39] <Topsy Kretts> WHO: can I run into the owner sitting at the computer when I log into the dedicated server? or will our sessions be parallel
[21:38:52] <Sam_Fisher> Topsy Kretts: can you
[21:39:18] <Sam_Fisher> I had this happen when I log into the dedicated server as admin, and there's a browser with a video open on prnohub
[21:39:32] <Topsy Kretts> if I buy an admin dedicated server, do I create a user myself and sit there in parallel?
[21:39:33] <WHO> Topsy Kretts: yes, you can, you need to patch the dedicated server in this version
[21:39:45] <Topsy Kretts> and if I buy a user right away, do I sit in a different session?
[21:40:13] <Sam_Fisher> Topsy Kretts: home Windows needs to be patched. In server ones it is already built in
[21:40:50] <Topsy Kretts> okay. I'll read better articles. so as not to ask everything in a row. If I don't understand, I'll ask later.
[21:41:33] <Topsy Kretts> it feels like I'm the newbie here without any knowledge))
[21:41:50] <Vovchi> not alone
[21:42:08] <Sadam> Topsy Kretts: I understand you so well
[21:42:15] <chachak1> one more question, I have Wi-Fi at home, do I need a modem for work?
[21:42:26] <cos> well yeah, dedicated server is like a betting shop) bought it for a thousand, got caught by the owner - fucked up a thousand
[21:42:30] <Topsy Kretts> Vovchi: do you understand do you need socks for the dedicated server or not?!)))))
[21:42:47] <Vovchi> I understood that it is not necessary))
[21:42:50] <Topsy Kretts> ok))
[21:43:10] <Vovchi> Topsy Kretts: and you...)?
[21:43:18] <Topsy Kretts> if I want to change the IP)
[21:44:01] <Topsy Kretts> but ideally I immediately take the dedicated server for CH and nothing needs to be changed
[21:44:21] <Sam_Fisher> Topsy Kretts: everyone was like that at one time. A couple of years ago I had the same questions as you. Don't be lazy and search for info on the internet yourself
[21:44:33] <Topsy Kretts> Sam_Fisher: ok.
[21:45:11] <Sadam> how do I know if someone is using my machine as a dedicated server?
[21:46:57] <cos> thanks tauris, see you all tomorrow
[21:47:12] <anatoly26> Thanks for the lecture
[21:48:17] <Topsy Kretts> which VPN service would be suitable for backup in our case? advise me
[21:48:23] <hanau16> Question: I enter the store under one account and card, after a while I enter under a different account, but will there be a problem with the old card?
[21:48:29] <WHO> I'll tell you tomorrow
[21:48:34] <WHO> a lot of work has piled up
[21:48:45] <WHO> prepare questions for the beginning of the lecture
[21:48:58] <112233> Topsy Kretts: CyberGhost 6
[21:49:38] <Topsy Kretts> 112233: is it free or something?)) [
21:49:43] <Sam_Fisher> hanau16: basically no, if you followed the basic rules for choosing a dedicated server. Shops understand that there are Internet providers with dynamic IP
[21:49:49] <112233> some are paid, some are free
[21:49:55] <Topsy Kretts> 112233: ok
[21:56:57] <bars228> Thanks for the lecture, see you tomorrow!

( 22:48:40) WHO: prepare questions for the beginning of the lecture
( 22:48:53) 112233: Topsy Kretts: CyberGhost 6
( 22:49:34) Topsy Kretts: 112233: is it free or something?))
( 22:49:38) Sam_Fisher: hanau16: in principle, no, if you followed the basic rules for choosing a dedicated server. Shops understand that there are Internet providers with dynamic IP
( 22:49:44) 112233: some are paid, some are free
( 22:49:51) Topsy Kretts: 112233: ok
( 22:56:38) hanau16: See you tomorrow.
( 22:56:52) bars228: Thanks for the lecture, see you tomorrow!
( 20:00:57) Vovchi: Hello everyone
(20:23:25) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: experienced ones in touch)) Greetings.
(20:23:56) rusell: Hello
(20:33:58) rusell: when does it start?
(20:37:03) Topsy Kretts: we are in a really serious circle today)
(20:37:15) Topsy Kretts: will there be Tauris?
(20:37:35) Sam_Fisher: Yes
(20:37:41) Sam_Fisher: He said he would be here soon
(20:38:06) Cboloch: let me remind you.. when the lecture starts - the lecturer leads the course, everyone listens and writes down their questions. The lecturer will give the opportunity to ask all questions.
(20:38:49) 112233: hi everyone
(20:40:04) Anakisuto: guys, everyone who wrote about the programs in the system, write in PM after the lecture
(20:40:31) Cboloch: before the lecture: two main rules? Who will answer?
(20:41:25) Cboloch: answer )
(20:41:31) WHO: Oh, and here comes the Scoundrel)
(20:42:04) Cboloch: ] <Cboloch> before the lecture: two main rules? Who will answer?
(20:42:06) hanau16: plus this about the programs.
(20:42:18) Bot438: 112233 will answer
(20:42:51) Cboloch: TWO main rules of our work?!! ??
(20:43:05) rusell: WHO: did yesterday's gif pass?)
(20:43:13) hanau16: don't give away your IP
(20:43:20) Cboloch: hanau16: no
(20:43:21) anatoly26: Enter realistically
(20:43:25) Cboloch: anatoly26: no
(20:43:32) Topsy Kretts: no rush?)
(20:43:36) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: no
(20:43:47) Topsy Kretts: we didn't go through the rules
(20:43:51) Bot438: anonymity
(20:43:52) Cboloch: 1. Don't work in RU (and former CIS countries)
(20:43:59) Cboloch: 2. NEVER ditch your own
(20:44:01) Bot438: and don't work for him
(20:44:40) Cboloch: everything else is secondary.
(20:44:53) Topsy Kretts: are your own all carders or our brothers on the forum
(20:44:54) Topsy Kretts: ?
(20:45:02) Anakisuto: Our own are all in the shadows
(20:45:07) Anakisuto: in general in the shadow sphere
(20:45:07) Anakisuto: in general
(20:45:35) Anakisuto: because the shadow sphere stands apart, it's not the kind of thing where you can be supported by something higher up
(20:45:54) Anakisuto: so one for all and all that
(20:46:24) WHO: Okay. Yesterday we looked at the types of anonymity links for our affairs. Who can name them?
(20:46:36) Topsy Kretts: VPN+Dedik+tunnel
(20:46:40) 112233: VPN Dedik Sox, for example
(20:46:41) Bot438: Dedik
(20:46:43) Bot438: socks
(20:46:46) Bot438: VPN
(20:46:51) hanau16: +TOR
(20:47:39) Topsy Kretts: epic browser
(20:48:19) bars228: VPN + virtual machine + sock/tunnel or VPN + Dedik. If you need to change the IP on the Dedik, we use a sock or a tunnel.
(20:48:40) WHO: bars228: I praise
(20:48:57) WHO: Epic, tor is for surfing forums etc.
(20:49:15) WHO: Only Bars has the answer you need
(20:49:25) Topsy Kretts: +
(20:50:22) WHO: There is another option
(20:50:43) Topsy Kretts: just a dedicated server but clear the logs
(20:51:20) WHO: It's just using a separate computer with English Windows in conjunction with socks tunnels
(20:51:52) WHO: There might be a question why with Windows and not with Linux etc.
(20:52:20) Topsy Kretts: a simple user uses Windows, a typical American
(20:52:21) Topsy Kretts: ?
(20:52:39) WHO: Because it's better to use systems that are most popular with US residents, for example
(20:53:39) WHO: Linux, it's stupid for your anonymity, if you, for example, sell drugs over the Internet or shoot child pornography
(20:54:05) WHO: I hope there are no such
(20:55:18) WHO: Does anyone want to add something?
(20:56:13) WHO: Well, ok
(20:56:20) WHO: So, what's next
? (20:56:24) rusell: what's the topic today?
(20:56:38) WHO: We need to work with all this somehow
(20:56:43) WHO: Let's look at that
(20:57:05) WHO: Let's say we're using a virtual machine
(20:57:20) WHO: And we want to launch a tunnel on it
(20:57:26) Bot438: We haven't discussed tunnels very much, can you please look at them in more detail
(20:57:39) WHO: Don't interrupt
(20:58:31) WHO: The main options for launching a tunnel are through Plinker or Bitwise
(20:58:35) WHO: software for launching
(21:00:10) WHO: 50.22.208.5:22;admin;admin | DestinationIP: 50.22.208.5 | Country: United States (US) | State: Virginia (VA) | City: Chantilly | ZIP: 22022
(21:00:13) WHO: tunnel example
(21:00:15) WHO: what it looks like
21:01:16) WHO: visual articles how to launch a tunnel
(21:01:26) WHO: through these programs
(21:01:48) WHO: in the process of practice, we will help you, if difficulties arise with this, do not worry
(21:02:12) WHO: For now we are grasping the whole process necessary for the start
(21:03:29) WHO : In conjunction with plinker or bitwise we use Profixer
(21:03:43) WHO: Our traffic goes through Profixer
(21:04:00) WHO: Proxifier*
(21:04:58) WHO: Essentially, proxifier makes connections work via proxy servers
(21:05:14) WHO: When we use socks, it also necessary
(21:05:59) WHO: For those who have a choice to use socks, this is https://vip72.org/
(21:06:10) WHO: I am from the old school and I started with this service
( 21:06:58) WHO: And I haven't heard of anyone having better service regarding socks
(21:07:24) WHO: There are options, of course, but I can't speak for the quality
(21:07:59) WHO : vip72 provides us with his software when purchasing a subscription
(21:08:05) WHO: I'll show you what it looks like now
(21:09:31) WHO: http://prntscr.com/e72ecs
(21:09:36) WHO: log in
(21:10:01) WHO: and with just a couple of clicks we can change our IP address
(21:10:20) WHO: See "select country"?
(21:10:40) hanau16: log in?
(21:11:03) WHO: on the screen
(21:11:05) WHO: visible
(21:11:13) WHO: country selection point?
(21:11:49) WHO: Well, you can select the country and region you need for your needs with two clicks
(21:12:02) WHO: That's kind of the convenience of socks
(21:12:28) WHO: What can you change them quickly and as much as you like
(21:12:36) WHO: but they die quickly
(21:13:38) WHO: You can install such a program on a dedicated server
(21:14:12) WHO: We'll get hardware from a dedicated server , ip, which we will choose on socks
(21:14:31) WHO: And this is how you can play
(21:15:34) WHO: So it turns out that there are two alternatives, a dedicated server and a virtual machine. Dedic is ready initially in hardware, but it costs money and can die at any moment, a virtual machine is the opposite
(21:15:45) WHO: In both cases you can connect tunnels or socks
(21:16:05) WHO: Tunnels are sold for 1 -2 bucks
(21:17:08) Sam_Fisher: You also need to consider that when using a tunnel/sock, WebRTC in the browser can leak the real IP
(21:17:22) WHO: I'll say for that
(21:19:44) WHO: http://prntscr.com/e72jh3
(21:19:57) WHO: These are the current rates for socks
(21:20:25) WHO: The budget option is a virtual machine + a tunnel
(21:20:30) WHO: It costs one buck
(21:21:22) WHO: WebRTC
(21:21:47) WHO: I can't tell you what it is better than Wikipedia - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC
(21:21:54) WHO: I'll just say that it exists
(21:22:25) WHO: You can find it on whoer.net
(21:22:30) WHO: if it detects us
(21:22:44) WHO: then we turn it off using this article - https://ifud.ws/threads/webrtc-obmani-menja-esli-smozhesh.9025/
(21:23:00) WHO: This is a proper way to disable it
(21:23:07) Anakisuto: I'll add something with your permission about webrtz
(21:25:36) Anakisuto: some large shops immediately lock the order if webrtz is disabled, so in such cases it can be replaced with a special batch file, and you can also do it all manually (more troublesome)
(21:25:38) Anakisuto: sorry for interrupting
(21:26:12) 112233: do you have a batch file?
(21:26:24) Anakisuto: yeah, I'll throw it in the conversation later
(21:26:32) bars228: It can be done even easier, with one plugin.
Or is it better to do it through an adapter?
(21:26:58) Anakisuto: let's discuss everything after the lecture, guys, otherwise you interrupted Tauris
(21:27:00) Anakisuto: it's my fault
(21:27:01) Anakisuto:
(21:27:18) WHO: go on and on
(21:27:22) WHO: interrupted on the topic
(21:28:20) Anakisuto: well, nothing more to say, I'll throw the bat file into the conversation later
(21:29:48) WHO: Anakisuto: Tell me about the dns)
(21:30:29) Anakisuto: oh, dns is a great thing, you can get it from socks or a tunnel with one click
(21:30:31) Anakisuto: in mozilla
(21:31:59) bars228: it's in proxyfire is being configured
(21:32:52) Anakisuto: well proxyfire, I think, too
, I just haven't used it for a long time, usually I tunnel straight to Mozilla
(21:33:38) bars228: do you set local socks in the network settings? (
21:33:51) Anakisuto: exactly
(21:34:01) bars228: I think it shows up like that
(21:34:23) bars228: I can't say for sure, but I think I've had experience with that
(21:34:58) bars228: IMHO, via Plinker and ProxyFair is the best option)
(21:35:03) Anakisuto: no, why would I, ProxyFair connects everything via a local address, and here it's just Mozilla
(21:35:11) Anakisuto: there's no difference in principle, it's just my habit
(21:35:51) bars228: ProxyFair changes the system proxy settings, but you set it manually
(21:37:53) WHO: If there is a need to change DNS
(21:38:00) WHO: here's how it's done - http://www.comss.ru/page.php?id=754
(21:38:22) WHO: Lists of public DNS that can be changed
(21:40:53) WHO: So, that's basically all we have in terms of anonymity. Anyone who wants to add - welcome, I'm off to defend the forum from DDoS
(21:43:40) 112233: is that all for today?
(21:43:50) Topsy Kretts: (((
(21:44:55) WHO: if everyone is silent, then yes
(21:45:01) bars228: I want to add about tunnels - in my opinion, the best software for working with them is plinker. Small, fast and stable. Bitwise is slow, with a bunch of unnecessary functions and does not accept all tunnels.
(21:45:04) WHO: for me personally, that's all
(21:45:12) WHO: bars228: is there such a thing
(21:45:33) 112233: next lecture tomorrow?
(21:45:58) WHO: on Mon
(21:46:06) Sam_Fisher: What's the next topic?
(21:46:07) WHO: let's rest and gather strength
(21:46:15) Cboloch: for the group:
(21:46:19) WHO: Let's gradually move on to typing
(21:46:23) bars228: When will the first practice be (approximately at least)?
(21:46:40) Cboloch: 1. The curator of the group is Anakisuto
(21:46:40) WHO: Next week
(21:47:07) Cboloch: 2. You can ask your questions both to WHO and to the curator of the group.
(21:47:15) hanau16: Waiting for the batch file
(21:47:26) Cboloch: 3. My toad can also help you - cboloch@procrd.pro
(21:47:58) Anakisuto: Yes, I'll send you the batch file now
(21:48:05) Anakisuto: Does everyone know what the default gateway and network name are?
(21:48:07) Sadam: why did you expel your classmate?
(21:48:16) Anakisuto: bro, there was an unpleasant situation there
(21:48:18) Anakisuto: that's why you expelled me
(21:48:27) Cboloch: please be understanding if someone didn't answer "right away" - because each of us has families, our own personal affairs, etc.
(21:48:31) Sam_Fisher: Anakisuto: can you upload the bat file here?
(21:48:41) Topsy Kretts: Anakisuto: I don't know about the gateway. well I saw it in the network card settings)
(21:48:55) Sadam: I don't know what the main gateway and network name are
(21:49:02) hanau16: Me neither
(21:49:21) bars228: Anakisuto: maybe you can tell me what the situation is? I'm sure many people are interested in preventing this from happening again
(21:49:48) Anakisuto: guys,
I'll go have a smoke, come back, send you the bat file, explain about the gateway and name and tell you a little about the situation
(21:49:49) Anakisuto: okay?
(21:49:50) Anakisuto: 5 minutes
(21:50:17) bars228: ok, we'll wait
(21:50:58) bars228: by the way about tunnels, if anyone needs them - I sell them for $1
for testing, I can give a couple for free
(21:51:38) Anakisuto: yeah, Bars has awesome tunnels
(21:51:40) Anakisuto: I confirm))
(21:51:50) Topsy Kretts: bars228: by state and city zip?
(21:51:50) Anakisuto: I took them several times
(21:52:15) bars228: bars228@exploit.im
(21:52:33) bars228: Anakisuto: thanks for the feedback))
(21:54:05) bars228: Topsy Kretts: sure
(22:07:29) Anakisuto: does everything work?
(22:09:08) Topsy Kretts: does it make sense to register Google DNS in your router
(22:09:09) Topsy Kretts: ???
(22:09:19) Topsy Kretts: so as not to get caught in any case at any stage by DNS
(22:09:22) hanau16: works
(22:10:43) Topsy Kretts: Question about a separate computer for work, with English Windows.
It can be your own PC, but boot from a flash drive? or is it worse than a separate computer.
(22:10:55) Topsy Kretts: oh fuck! I sent this to the dead conf 10 minutes ago))) got it
(22:11:21) hanau16: nothing
(22:11:36) bars228: Is it possible to install 2 Windows at the same time
(22:11:48) hanau16: sorry didn't get it
(22:11:56) Sam_Fisher: Because of DDoS?
(22:13:28) bars228: who does this I wonder? Americans? or competitors?)
(22:13:41) Sam_Fisher: Competitors, most likely
(22:14:43) Anakisuto: okay, I'm here
(22:15:22) Topsy Kretts: Questions:
1) Does it make sense to register Google DNS in your router? so as not to get caught in any case at any stage by DNS
2) Question about a separate computer for work, with English Windows.
It can be your own PC, but boot from a flash drive? Or just get into the mindset that a dedicated server is best and that's it)

(17:03:17) WHO: What's our plan
(17:05:09) WHO: Today we'll move on to the next step and start looking at the VBVs
(17:05:57) WHO: Let's start with "easy" sites and shops, so that we can get a feel for the process itself
(17:06:23) WHO: That is, for the very green - it is absolutely necessary to go through all of this
(17:06:54) WHO: On Wednesday there will be practice on what will be told today
(17:07:19) WHO: You can start practicing yourself today or tomorrow
(17:07:38) WHO: After that we will move on to more complex topics
(17:08:18) WHO: By the way, if anyone has problems with swearing, you can write to me later, I can give it to you via dedicated server
(17:08:40) WHO: Have a good evening and a productive lecture to everyone
(17:08:49) Sam_Fisher: WHO: Thank you
(17:10:06) hanau16: What kind of swearing and how much is needed for the next lesson?
(17:10:35) Sam_Fisher: hanau16: Swearing is material. Socks/tunnels/dedicated servers, kart and other stuff
(17:11:46) WHO: They'll say
(17:11:55) WHO: basically a tunnel/dedicated server + SS
(17:12:13) 112233: would a sock do?
(17:12:29) 112233: or is a dedicated server better?
(17:13:18) WHO: a sock or a tunnel
(17:13:59) Anakisuto: yeah, remind me later to tell you why it's better not to hit from a dedicated server purely
(17:13:59) Anakisuto: no socks or tunnels
(17:14:58) bars228: what is the virtual machine for?
(17:15:17) Anakisuto: I'll explain everything
(17:19:11) Topsy Kretts: hi!
(17:27:42) Anakisuto: if everyone is here, then let's get started
(17:27:57) Anakisuto: what do you think we need for carding?
(17:28:10) Topsy Kretts: system for CH + shop + mat
(17:28:13) Topsy Kretts: +cc
(17:28:18) bars228: hands and brain
(17:28:20) Sam_Fisher: Correctly configured machine and cc
(17:28:23) Anakisuto: simple classic carding, without any gimmicks
(17:28:24) Anakisuto: right
(17:28:38) Anakisuto: and how should we behave when carding?
(17:28:43) Topsy Kretts: realistic
(17:28:47) Sam_Fisher: As a real buyer
(17:29:06) bars228: as a card owner
(17:29:28) Anakisuto: right, moreover, you need to convince yourself that you are the owner of the card
(17:29:42) Anakisuto: imagine that you are a socialist and dispossess wealthy people
(17:29:51) Anakisuto: first of all, what I want to tell
(17:29:58) Anakisuto: so this is the difference between entering from a virtual machine and entering from a dedicated server
(17:32:44) Anakisuto: a virtual machine is some kind of old school, with which you sweat for a long time, and then nothing enters for you, because a virtual machine is easily detected
there are ways to hide that it is a virtual machine: this is in first of all, anti-detect (which, by the way, is easily cracked by shops like Amazon), and you can also set everything up manually, I'll explain how to do it later for those who want
(17:33:03) Anakisuto: but do you need it if there is such a wonderful thing as a dedicated server or remote computer
(17:33:17) Anakisuto: a real (or server) computer, on which everything is already configured for the computer
(17:34:11) Anakisuto: we asked you to pre-configure the virtual machines, yes, but it was more of a brain charger than a machine for typing
(17:34:20) Anakisuto: who can tell me how server dedicated servers differ from home ones?
(17:34:23) Anakisuto: and what is a dedicated server anyway?
(17:34:56) Topsy Kretts: a remote PC that we log into and manage as if it were our own
(17:34:59) Sam_Fisher: Anakisuto: a dedicated server is a computer with remote access
(17:34:59) ictus: hardware and operating system,
a home one is more suitable for us because we blend in with the crowd, a server one is not so much
(17:35:33) bars228: A server one is like an Amazon, Azure, etc.
(17:35:39) Anakisuto: that's right, server dedicated servers are an order of magnitude cheaper than home ones, and if you want, you can set them up no worse than a home one
(17:36:06) Anakisuto: work on a home dedicated server occurs on a real person's computer, but not on the main account, but on an additional one
(17:36:17) Anakisuto: this way, the owner of the computer does not see our actions for the time being
(17:36:25) Sam_Fisher: And it needs to be patched
(17:36:31) Anakisuto: server ones work for a limited amount of time
(17:36:52) Anakisuto: that is, for the same poker, let's say, server ones are definitely not suitable for you
(17:36:59) Anakisuto: but for quick regular card entries - why not
(17:38:25) Anakisuto: accounts of one or another store with a linked card, or just an empty account can simplify card entry for us, one way or another, the store has much more trust in such card entry, but I will give a separate lecture about working with accounts later, since this topic is quite extensive
(17:38:55) Anakisuto: and today we will talk about simple card entries, in which you will practice
(17:39:03) Anakisuto: on them you can easily understand the card entry process
(17:39:10) Anakisuto: since nothing will interfere with us
(17:40:09) Anakisuto: one long-standing group complained that, like, why are we hammering in socks like suckers
(17:40:10) Anakisuto: but
(17:41:08) Anakisuto: 1. on socks you can easily understand the process itself
2. does anyone here not wear socks? well, maybe someone wears tights, I am tolerant of everything, so I can understand, but in general. I think everyone wears socks and ordering 100-200 quality socks for yourself isn't that bad
(17:41:12) Anakisuto: nevertheless, we won't be entering socks
(17:41:15) Anakisuto: we'll be entering t-shirts
(17:41:24) Anakisuto: everyone definitely wears them
(17:41:36) ictus: I have a collection of 46 pieces)
(17:42:07) Anakisuto: yes, by the way, my socks always disappear somewhere, so it can be useful to "stock up"
(17:42:23) Anakisuto: in general, you'll be entering them in Skype and in the teesprings.com store
(17:42:41) Anakisuto: without the s
(17:42:44) Anakisuto: teespring.com
(17:43:24) Anakisuto: feminist t-shirts are trendy there now. but there are a lot of others besides them) and you can also make your own with any print
(17:43:31) Anakisuto: the quality there is very, very good
(17:43:55) Anakisuto: let's start with Skype
(17:44:11) Anakisuto: Skype doesn't have 3D Secure, so we can use any card
(17:44:15) Anakisuto: everyone remembers what 3D secure is, right?
(17:44:28) Sam_Fisher: vbv?
(17:44:33) Anakisuto: right
(17:44:41) Sam_Fisher: Yeah, I remember
(17:45:01) hanau16: Will the training work?
(17:45:08) Anakisuto: if you don't know if the store has this system, take American Express or Discovery, Amex has SafeKey, but stores may not often request it
(17:45:13) Anakisuto: yes, it will work
(17:45:15) Anakisuto: if it's alive
(17:45:18) Anakisuto: so
(17:45:21) Anakisuto: we take Dedicated
(17:45:28) Anakisuto: and a tunnel\sox under the card holder's staff
(17:45:33) Anakisuto: you can under zip or city, if there is one
(17:45:46) Anakisuto: but this happens rarely, so at least under the state
(17:46:19) Anakisuto: you can take it from bars (hidden advertising)
(17:46:29) bars228:
(17:46:39) Anakisuto: open a dedicated server
(17:46:46) Anakisuto: put Batwise or any other client there
(17:47:34) Anakisuto: and proxyfire, or set everything up directly in Mozilla
(17:47:37) Anakisuto: it's up to you
(17:48:43) Anakisuto: then
go to whoer.net and see if everything is okay with us
100% anonymity is not always good, everything is always fucking great with me and hundred, but for some reason many have problems, so it's better to download flash player, because you must admit that it's strange if you're such a cool buyer you go to the site
(17:48:46) Anakisuto: and you don't have flash player
(17:48:50) Anakisuto: well, all normal people have it
(17:49:23) Anakisuto: then we set the time zone to the one that whoer shows us
(17:49:26) Anakisuto: specifically the time zone
(17:49:30) Anakisuto: and not just change the time
(17:49:39) Bot438: what is batwise
(17:49:42) Bot438: ?
(17:49:49) Anakisuto: otherwise my girlfriend just moved it for a long time and wondered why nothing fits
(17:49:51) Anakisuto: bitvise
(17:49:56) Anakisuto: a program for tunnels
(17:50:02) bars228: plinker is better
(17:50:07) Anakisuto: well, or plinker
(17:50:11) Anakisuto: which do you like more again
(17:50:40) Anakisuto: I'm just really used to the good old fifth version of bitvise without the extra crap that they introduced in the latest versions
(17:50:42) Anakisuto: that's why I'm saying
(17:50:47) Anakisuto: and you choose what is more convenient for you
(17:50:54) Anakisuto: so, change the time zone
(17:50:57) Anakisuto: you are all
great
(17:51:06) Anakisuto: then register the mail under the holder
(17:51:10) Sam_Fisher: Anakisuto: XD
(17:51:15) Anakisuto: well there with the name of the holder, with some kind of postscript
(17:51:26) Anakisuto: there is a free service mail.com
(17:51:39) Anakisuto: but if Skype can work for teespring, then in other shops they will immediately block such input
(17:51:59) Anakisuto: so either register on Google\Yahoo, or buy ready-made mails, they are cheap
(17:52:08) Anakisuto: or register from a clean IP on hotmail.com
(17:52:14) Anakisuto: if the IP is clean, they won't ask for the number
(17:52:24) 112233: is aol ok or not worth it?
(17:52:29) Anakisuto: or rather they will ask, but you can enter any gibberish there and you won't have to confirm it
(17:52:33) bars228: sms-reg.com
(17:52:34) bars228: There are 3 numbers here
(17:52:35) Anakisuto: aol I don’t remember how it is with verification
(17:52:45) 112233: I need a number
(17:52:46) Anakisuto: hotmail is really annoying about virtual numbers
(17:52:59) Anakisuto: aol maybe not
anyway it’s all in your opinion
(17:53:12) Anakisuto: the main thing is not to use mail.com, temporary mails and ru domains
(17:53:52) bars228: You forgot to mention WebRTC
(17:53:59) bars228: And DoNotTrack
(17:54:03) Anakisuto: so. well and then we do everything according to this manual
(17:54:05) Sam_Fisher: Anakisuto: And how do they treat their mails on the .com domain?
(17:54:11) Anakisuto: it will show everything on the dick
(17:54:18) Anakisuto: and you will notice that your webrtc or dunotrack is being detected
(17:54:28) Anakisuto: that's why I wrote above, because on the dick everything should be clean
(17:54:34) Anakisuto: either disable webrtc completely, or replace it
(17:54:43) bars228: Is it possible with a plugin?
(17:55:01) bars228: Or do shops detect installed plugins?
(17:55:13) Anakisuto: the big ones do spot it, yes
(17:55:23) Anakisuto: you can hide webrtz in mozilla without a plugin
(17:55:27) Anakisuto: that's why I recommend it more than chrome
(17:55:36) Anakisuto: chrome is good, but it's easier to hide fingerprint in mozilla
(17:55:39) Anakisuto: more on that later
(17:56:04) Anakisuto: what's not clear from the manual, let's resolve all that right away
(17:56:54) Anakisuto: by the way, regarding cleaning the system after entering data, CCleaner is a good thing. but I personally recommend Privazer
(17:56:58) Anakisuto: cleans much deeper
(17:57:00) Anakisuto: right down to zero
(17:57:13) bars228: But if you need to change the user agent in Mozilla to some other browser, system, etc., is that also visible?
(17:57:39) Anakisuto: some shops detect user agent, but these are mostly really big ones
(17:57:46) bars228: Antik seems to work like that, through plugins
(17:57:47) Anakisuto: it's better to hit those from the app if you want to change
(17:58:03) Anakisuto: Antik's configs hide the presence of plugins
(17:58:15) bars228: Oh, right
(17:58:19) Anakisuto: user agent itself is simply detected, in fact,
dickhead and ipscore don't detect
(17:58:28) Anakisuto: but there is some kind of system, it slipped my mind
(17:58:34) Anakisuto: it detects that user agent is installed
(17:58:42) Anakisuto: by the way, yes, does everyone know what a user agent is?
(17:59:08) Anakisuto: don't just google it, just answer
(17:59:10) Topsy Kretts: -
(17:59:11) hanau16: no
(17:59:17) Sadam: no
(17:59:22) Anakisuto: okay,
go to the fucker
(17:59:25) Anakisuto: from your own computers
(17:59:45) Anakisuto: do you see the "Browser" item on the right?
(18:00:21) Anakisuto: that's what user agent is
(18:00:32) Anakisuto: nasty crap that exposes your system, browser, etc.
(18:00:40) Anakisuto: in fact, many people use the same system and browser as you
(18:00:46) Anakisuto: so there's nothing scary about it
(18:00:55) Anakisuto: but some sites are easier to enter from the mobile version
(18:01:01) Anakisuto: well, antifraud is more loyal
(18:01:08) Anakisuto: and here the useragent switcher plugin will help you
(18:01:19) Anakisuto: which will disguise your computer as one device or another
(18:01:26) Anakisuto: iPhone, Android phone, Linux
(18:01:28) Anakisuto: anything
(18:01:42) Sam_Fisher: But haven't merch learned to detect this plugin?
(18:01:56) Anakisuto: I wrote above, bro, that not all of them
(18:02:03) Anakisuto: and it's not so much about the merch as about the shop
(18:02:10) Anakisuto: the shop itself builds the merch
(18:02:28) Anakisuto: that is, the shop sets the parameters in the merch that it needs to pay attention to
(18:02:42) bars228: The screen resolution isn't visible either?)
(18:02:48) Anakisuto: it is visible
(18:02:55) Anakisuto: but not in the user agent
(18:03:02) bars228: Android with 1366x768 is somehow suspicious
(18:03:03) Anakisuto: and in another disgusting fucking thing
(18:03:09) Anakisuto: like a fingerprint
(18:03:12) Anakisuto: let's talk about that
(18:03:24) Anakisuto: well, when you change to android, you'll think about it and change the resolution
(18:03:36) hanau16: And Anakisuto if there are a couple of monitors?
(18:03:55) Anakisuto: well, these are already special cases
, I can’t tell you, since I don’t have a couple of monitors
(18:03:56) Anakisuto: they are
(18:03:58) bars228: I didn’t think about it before and it was fine to enter into Microsoft from this
(18:03:58) Anakisuto: but not to one computer
(18:04:12) Anakisuto: oh, yes, Microsoft can only plan computers
(18:04:15) Anakisuto: more precisely, systems
(18:04:22) Anakisuto: and even then, in light of the latest systems, they can’t even do that
(18:04:31) Anakisuto: Skype is essentially Microsoft
(18:04:36) Anakisuto: Hotmail is Microsoft
(18:04:56) Anakisuto: so a fingerprint is a nasty thing, it's an imprint
(18:05:00) Anakisuto: in the literal sense of the word
(18:05:09) Anakisuto: it's how your computer imprinted itself on the internet
(18:05:13) Anakisuto: completely and totally
(18:05:29) Anakisuto: resolution, fonts, language set, colors in the browser
(18:05:30) Anakisuto: everything at all
(18:05:34) Anakisuto: absolutely
(18:05:58) Anakisuto: and this creates a lot of problems
(18:06:10) Anakisuto: for example, even on different Amazon dedicated server computers in a freshly installed Mozilla
(18:06:16) Anakisuto: there will be the same fingerprint
(18:06:33) Anakisuto: how to screw up a fingerprint
(18:06:38) Anakisuto: the simplest options:
(18:07:09) Anakisuto: 1. change the display font in the browser settings
2. change the HardDiskSerialNumber Changer volume number
3. download a couple of fonts
(18:07:14) Anakisuto: and basically everything is ok
(18:07:29) Anakisuto: before each entry, I strongly recommend visiting amiunique.org
(18:07:36) Anakisuto: and check your fingerprint there for uniqueness
(18:08:08) bars228: https://browserleaks.com/canvas or here
(18:09:04) Anakisuto: you can do it here, what's good about amiunique.org is that it just tells you that your fingerprint is unique
(18:09:06) Anakisuto: or vice versa
(18:09:08) Anakisuto: not unique
(18:09:11) Anakisuto: here
(18:09:16) Anakisuto: we figured it out
(18:09:17) Anakisuto: any questions?
(18:09:42) bars228: I see it shows a lot of info there, plugins, fonts and stuff
(18:09:58) bars228: it even sees the video card
(18:10:13) bars228: but on a virtual machine it's "virtual"
(18:10:41) Anakisuto: yes, but you should understand that many people have the same video cards, so pay attention mainly to fonts, disk numbers and things like that
(18:10:48) Anakisuto: which are usually unique
(18:10:56) Anakisuto: yes, virtual machines are generally exposed like that
and not only like that
(18:11:06) Anakisuto: that's why it's not particularly profitable to use them now
(18:11:51) Anakisuto: any questions about the fingerprint and user agent?
(18:12:06) Bot438: by user agent
(18:12:14) Bot438: where is it, I didn't find it
(18:12:17) Bot438: ? (18:12:55)
Anakisuto: well look (18:12:57) Anakisuto:
go to hueer
(18:13:27) Anakisuto: do you see the "browser" item there?
(18:13:53) Sam_Fisher: Bot438:

https://imgur.com/JsBSTbj

(18:14:06) Sam_Fisher: This is the user agent
(18:14:13) bars228: regarding the material, the question is, where can I get it? I asked Fargo - there is no usa, there will be an update tomorrow
(18:14:36) Anakisuto: so
there is a mat with Dweid, I can't say anything bad on our forum
, but I always have bad luck with him, and he is a difficult person
(18:14:36) Cboloch: bars228: Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday Dasha has updates
(18:14:52) bars228: the only normal seller, I don't really trust shops, especially bypass
(18:15:07) Anakisuto: of the shops
cvv-me.su is not bad
, validcc.name is awesome, but the registration is paid
(18:15:11) Anakisuto: there is also xtal
(18:15:18) Anakisuto: and there are people who can get mat from there for you
(18:15:26) bars228: Anakisuto: the same situation with him
(18:15:29) Anakisuto: I have Dasha, yes, she has great swearing
(18:15:52) Sadam: what kind of Dasha?
(18:16:01) bars228: valid CC 150$ reg is too fat in my opinion
(18:16:09) Anakisuto: too fat, for
(18:16:14) Anakisuto: *yes
(18:16:15) bars228: yes, great. but usa for $10
(18:16:17) Anakisuto: it's just that I've had an account there for a long time
(18:16:18) Cboloch: Sadam: Dasha=Fargo
(18:17:05) Anakisuto: well there are also all sorts of sellers here club2crd.cc you can take a look
there are some really good ones, those who have good reviews
(18:17:13) Anakisuto: okay, what other questions?
(18:17:44) anatoly26: Do we enter Skype?
(18:17:55) anatoly26: Or can we bother with the shop?
(18:18:29) Anakisuto: I'll tell you about the shop later
(18:18:41) Anakisuto: well, how thin? we can discuss it here too, so that everyone understands
(18:19:54) Bot438: how will the process of entering/buying proceed, under your control or are we on our own?
(18:20:32) Anakisuto: what did you run it on and through what?
(18:20:35) Anakisuto: a program or a batch file?
(18:21:44) Anakisuto: entered under control. of course
(18:21:49) Anakisuto: there will be a practical lesson
(18:21:57) Bot438: ok, thanks
(18:23:42) Anakisuto: so
about that shop
(18:23:43) Anakisuto: teaspring
(18:23:50) Anakisuto: it has very little antifraud
(18:23:58) Anakisuto: but it's worth rebuilding everything
(18:24:01) Anakisuto: they don't ask for billing
(18:24:05) Anakisuto: they only ask for a zip from billing
(18:24:24) Anakisuto: and some shops, by the way, don't check anything except the zip, but that's just by the way
(18:24:27) Anakisuto: in short, we set everything up
(18:24:29) Anakisuto: go there
(18:24:35) Anakisuto: choose a t-shirt
(18:24:44) Anakisuto: or t-shirts
( 18:24:48) Anakisuto: enter your address
(18:25:15) Anakisuto: enter your card details
(18:25:17) Anakisuto: don't copy
(18:25:18) Anakisuto: manually
(18:25:22) Anakisuto: and that's it, you're done
(18:26:32) Anakisuto: questions?
(18:26:58) cos: should I just enter the shipping ru address?)
(18:27:01) rusel: are you finishing already? I was just able to connect
(18:27:06) Anakisuto: yes, just not in Russian
(18:27:12) Anakisuto: no big deal, Russell, there will be a log
(18:27:16) anatoly26: Your home address?
(18:27:19) Bot438: when are we going to start doing all this?
(18:27:22) Anakisuto: ru address, yes, only in Latin
(18:27:32) Anakisuto: well, your next lesson, as far as I remember, is practical
(18:27:37) Anakisuto: you can type it in yourself
(18:27:38) Bot438: and how do you get the checkmate?
(18:27:41) Anakisuto: that's up to you
(18:28:13) Anakisuto: well, tauris seemed to say something about dedicated servers, so come to him for that
(18:28:28) cos: where can I find this dasha-fargo?
(18:28:29) Anakisuto: you can buy tunnels from bars or from sshseller.tk or getssh.ru
(18:28:35) Anakisuto: And cardboard from Dasha
(18:28:39) Anakisuto: ccshop@jabber.se
(18:28:51) anatoly26: Send to your name and your home address? Specify your details for mail?
(18:28:59) Cboloch: anatoly26: can you send it to your neighbor
(18:29:08) bars228: about cvv-me, is there normal swearing there? can I take it?)
(18:29:17) Anakisuto: well, he's not bad there, I'd say so
(18:29:21) anatoly26: I'll be the one accepting it
(18:29:21) Anakisuto: not awesome
(18:29:24) Anakisuto: but not bad
(18:29:39) Anakisuto: send him to his place, no one will come to you for a T-shirt
(18:29:39) Cboloch: anatoly26: if you put a neighbor there, you'll send a neighbor to accept it
(18:30:00) anatoly26: Cboloch Is there a catch?
(18:30:03) Cboloch: there will be a lecture later about drops/middlemen
(18:30:13) Topsy Kretts: that is, you can order for yourself, for your real self. Right!?)
(18:30:17) bars228: I see the Valid rate base is 98%, at 7-8$ USA
(18:30:23) Anakisuto: no big deal, bro, you really
can, if you really want, send them to a drop in Russia, but that's stupid in my humble opinion
(18:30:25) Cboloch: anatoly26: no, they won't put you in Interpol for 20k$
(18:30:35) bars228: send it to yourself and that's it
(18:30:43) Topsy Kretts: funny) ok
(18:31:05) Topsy Kretts: are there any other options with pickling on yourself?)
(18:31:08) Topsy Kretts: others
(18:31:15) anatoly26: I didn't even expect it to be that easy
(18:31:40) anatoly26: I join in the question topsy
(18:31:46) Cboloch: anatoly26: this is the basics, but not the practice
(18:31:50) bars228: Topsy Kretts: Western Union
(18:31:56) bars228: real money for yourself)
(18:32:02) Anakisuto: yes, there are intermediaries, drops, but as Mr. Bastard said, we'll talk about that later
(18:32:06) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: anatoly26 [10:29:38] <Cboloch> there will be a lecture later about drops/intermediaries
(18:32:15) rusel: tell me, was something set today that needs to be installed by Wednesday?
(18:32:52) Anakisuto: I don't remember
(18:32:56) Anakisuto: I choose the help of the audience
(18:33:05) rusel: thanks
(18:33:20) cos: buy dead or take from tauris
(18:33:26) cos: buy tunnels
(18:33:31) cos: buy ss
(18:33:34) hanau16: rusel: stock up on swearing boutiques and coffee-)
(18:33:37) anatoly26: rusel Just ensure your anonymity and tauris will give you dead if needed
(18:34:37) rusel: thanks, but it will be easier if I reread the entire lecture from the beginning. throw today's material
(18:35:07) Anakisuto: I'll throw it into the dialogue
(18:35:11) Anakisuto: that's it, no more questions for today?
(18:35:16) rusel: thanks
(18:35:47) hanau16: Thank you
(18:37:10) Anakisuto: well that's it, okay then
see you later and have a good evening everyone

(18:38:30) ictus: remind me what tools are needed today?
SS and grandfather?
(18:39:16) hanau16: something like that
(18:39:58) hanau16: behind the tunnel to the leopard if anything
(19:01:47) hanau16: Did anyone take the Master and the Lady from dwyane@njs.netlab.cz cardboard yesterday or the day before?
(19:02:34) cos: you didn't buy it for kiwi?
(19:02:52) hanau16: WMZ
(19:04:37) bars228: So-so cardboard. Checks before selling and doesn't make replacements.
And he himself said that he also sells it on bypass.
Farogo (Dasha) has the best mat
(19:05:20) bars228: They just sell out quickly, you can't always grab it
(19:06:36) hanau16: Well, I haven't waited for it since yesterday evening.
(19:07:23) cos: does anyone have a link to Ixtal?
(19:07:45) Topsy Kretts: I haven't had time to buy from Dasha for three days! Damn)
(19:07:57) Topsy Kretts: Who else is happy with which CC shop?
(19:08:34) WHO: to those to whom I gave dedicated servers, I gave 173.162...... ?
(19:09:05) hanau16: 206.74.248.210
(19:09:08) Topsy Kretts: -
(19:10:08) ictus: -
(19:11:10) WHO: in short, we have problems with SS, yes
(19:11:12) WHO: ?
(19:11:19) Sadam: yes
(19:11:22) anatoly26: 173.162.240.233:3398
(19:11:27) WHO: that's bad
(19:11:37) Vovchi: yes
(19:12:02) Topsy Kretts: I just topped up one shop through BITKt to try it out
(19:12:04) hanau16: yes
( 19:12:04) Topsy Kretts: bitcoins
(19:12:08) anatoly26: Problems with swearing, I can't get any for 3 days already
(19:12:11) Topsy Kretts: so they haven't credited the balance yet
(19:14:39) hanau16: Maybe we should rehearse searching for shops today?
(19:15:06) WHO: Who's ready to swear today?
(19:15:14) WHO: hanau16: we don't know how to beat yet
(19:18:14) anatoly26: No swearing
(19:18:20) Topsy Kretts: did anyone get the T-shirts? Do you have any like these?
(19:18:32) Topsy Kretts: I have Printing.. already
(19:18:34) WHO: ok, wait
(19:18:36) WHO: I'll think about it now.
(19:18:43) cos: Dasha says there will be Yusa tomorrow, do we really need Yusa?
(19:20:52) WHO: yes
(19:20:57) WHO: that's good
(19:23:08) Vovchi: Topsy Kretts: you'll be the only one running the gang in the new T-shirt))
(19:23:29) Topsy Kretts: Vovchi, haven't you entered it yet?
(19:23:39) Vovchi: Topsy Kretts: not yet
(19:23:57) cos: <Topsy Kretts> have you entered it before? or can I congratulate you on your first one?
(19:24:11) Topsy Kretts: with the first bro
(19:24:15) Topsy Kretts: with the first first!)))
(19:24:18) Topsy Kretts: for the first time.
(19:24:19) Vovchi: Topsy Kretts: cool))
(19:25:06) cos: where did you buy the mat?
(19:25:31) Topsy Kretts: managed to snatch it from Dasha
(19:26:26) hanau16: What time is the best time to knock on her door?
(19:26:54) 112233: hi everyone
(19:27:08) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: I dunno! once snatched the current
(19:27:11) Topsy Kretts: then missed three times
(19:27:26) Topsy Kretts: I would knock every two hours from different toads))))))))
(19:27:34) Topsy Kretts: more precisely, I will do it tomorrow
(19:27:37) Topsy Kretts: so as not to be late
(19:27:56) 112233: dwade has normal swearing
(19:28:08) cos: does she take kiwi no?
(19:28:48) hanau16: 112233: And when did you take it?
(19:28:48) ictus: share her contact details guys
(19:29:14) hanau16: ccshop@swissjabber.ch
(19:29:19) Topsy Kretts: takes kiwi) very convenient
(19:29:21) 112233: hanau16: last time 5 days ago
(19:29:39) cos: great
(19:29:43) hanau16: I've been waiting for a day already
(19:29:52) Topsy Kretts: sad
(19:30:02) cos: did you beat me with a tunnel from Grandpa?
(19:30:02) hanau16: YAVOL
(19:31:24) Topsy Kretts: I beat VPN + Virtualka + Tunnel UNDER THE COUNTRY!!!))
(19:33:00) Topsy Kretts: Who else beat Teespring??
(19:33:23) hanau16: THERE IS NO MOTHER
(19:33:49) 112233: I beat it, after it was sent to print, the order was reset. but I beat it from a ru IP and to ru email
(19:35:01) hanau16: 112233: is the card kaput?
(19:35:21) 112233: hanau16: yes, but I killed her in the wrong place
(19:35:36) Topsy Kretts: 112233: yeah? then printing isn't a complete success yet
(19:36:18) 112233: Topsy Kretts: if you didn't hit it with a ru IP or ru email, most likely a success
(19:36:45) Topsy Kretts: 112233: why are you so sloppy! IP ru, email ru))
(19:37:00) Topsy Kretts: CC kiwi virtual with zero, yeah
(19:37:37) 112233: Topsy Kretts: if you hit it through a sock-dedicated-tunnel American, most likely a success
(19:38:42) Bot438: hello to all. let's have one of the experienced ones do it step by step, entering everything correctly, and the young ones can watch it through Team Viewer?))
(19:40:22) WHO: So, well, it seems that since the cards will be there tomorrow, we'll meet tomorrow
(19:40:28) WHO: I'll say a few words
(19:41:23) WHO: someone here showed that he entered one card several times in one shop, it's better not to do that, because the card can be blocked due to suspicious activity, and all the orders that were before can be cancelled
(19:41:31) Topsy Kretts: me
(19:42:05) Topsy Kretts: 1cc = 1 order and 1 account?
(19:43:06) bars228: If you can't get into one shop during processing, you can enter a smaller amount into another one
(19:43:07) WHO: or just enter it intermittently
(19:43:13) WHO: or into different services
(19:43:29) Topsy Kretts: tell me where else I can practice
(19:44:18) Bot438: I think there's nowhere else to go, you're already a guru)
(19:45:35) rusell: what CC is best for entering Skype?
(19:46:31) 112233: Topsy Kretts: try here for practice) www.magformers.com bil=kh, ship yours, ip=yusa=kh
(19:47:14) Topsy Kretts: 112233: thanks! can I have my own personal ship?
(19:47:28) Topsy Kretts: Topsy Kretts: won't that lead to a FEDERAL SEARCH?
(19:47:34) bars228: designers? at first I thought it was a sex shop)0
(19:47:38) 112233: Topsy Kretts: yes, but I'm paranoid, I didn't do that)))
(19:47:58) Vovchi: the prices are normal))
(19:48:01) hanau16: 112233: +++
(19:48:17) Topsy Kretts: TAURIS, what do you think about this shop and your ship?? WHO
(19:48:37) bars228: They will only look for you if the cost of your search (or the benefit from it) significantly exceeds the amount of damage you cause
(19:48:53) Cboloch: Question: You opened your mailbox. There is a receipt from the post office in it. You received a parcel. You do not know where it came from, what it came with, or who it was from. What will you do in life?
(19:49:03) WHO: Topsy Kretts: I didn’t go there
(19:49:09) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: Go to the post office and find out what kind of parcel it is
(19:49:27) Cboloch: Ok. They told you to sign for it and we’ll give you the parcel.
(19:49:29) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: well and since this is Russia, take it for yourself)
(19:49:34) Vovchi: Cboloch: look around and take the order))
(19:49:35) Cboloch: what do you do next?
(19:50:02) Cboloch: They took the package, brought it home.. opened it. There's an iPhone (or condoms). What do you do?
(19:50:10) Vovchi: Cboloch: no way, if they signed for it, I wouldn't take it
(19:50:11) hanau16: Cboloch: Well yeah, and this is the tenth one this week
(19:50:13) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: dancing until you drop
(19:50:27) Topsy Kretts: Vovchi: you can't get through the Russian Post Office without a passport and a signature
(19:50:45) Vovchi: Topsy Kretts: or maybe there are drugs in there and they'll accept you on the way out? (
19:50:51) rusell: Cboloch: Before opening it, I put on gloves and a mask - what if there are anthrax spores in there))
(19:51:04) Cboloch: Are you running to the police station to write a statement, saying you received a parcel from God knows who?
(19:51:06) Topsy Kretts: Vovchi: Maybe. But who's going to send you drugs for free)
(19:51:13) bars228: Pawn your iPhone, you'll need condoms
(19:51:31) Topsy Kretts: 112233: Give me a toad
(19:51:51) bars228: Vovchi: How many times have I received this before and they've never accepted it)) I don't give a damn at the post office
(19:51:57) Cboloch: Customs won't let through optics or drugs. The plant (hemp) too. Don't have any illusions.
(19:51:59) Vovchi: Topsy Kretts: without them you got confused and screwed up there, or you're a rich daddy's son and they're setting you up. I wouldn't take the parcel on my pass.
(19:52:07) Vovchi: bessss
(19:52:19) Topsy Kretts: paranoid too vovchi
(19:52:22) Topsy Kretts: )))
(19:52:26) Vovchi: Topsy Kretts: is that true
(19:52:29) ictus: optics, that is, lenses for photos may not be allowed?
(19:52:35) bars228: Cboloch: I saw a couple of sites where you can enter drugs with CC xd
(19:52:52) bars228: They have big envelopes with stamps
(19:52:53) Cboloch: I received more than 50 packs in December... and the post office even gave me one extra (someone else's) by mistake...
(19:52:56) hanau16: I don't know about you, but our cops would be interested in WHAT he gets ten packs a week and even from abroad
(19:53:54) ictus: Now no one cares who gets what at the post office, you have an online store, and you order all sorts of crap from your customers
(19:54:00) Cboloch: My chief of the police department once personally told me (verbatim): "FUCK, do you even kill each other, CATTLE, I DON'T CARE" (everything verbatim)
(19:54:56) Cboloch: so don't have any illusions that Interpol is interested in you for 10 iPhones and 100 T-shirts
(19:55:03) hanau16: They don't give a damn about money
(19:55:04) anatoly26: Cboloch: There was a rumor that you have a contact person who can get swear words from HTAL
(19:55:58) Topsy Kretts: anatoly26: Rumor))
(19:56:11) Cboloch: anatoly26: no. I have a subaccount, but as a moderator I don't think it's possible for me to be an assistant of this kind.
(19:56:13) cos: )chain
(19:56:23) anatoly26: Topsy Kretts: There was a rumor and he said this
(19:56:59) Topsy Kretts: I have a contact for such an assistant, Bars confirmed that he used it
(19:57:04) Topsy Kretts: Dude fint on ВВХ
(19:57:20) Topsy Kretts: for 10.5 USA
(19:57:23) anatoly26: What's his swearing like and what about the prices? Topsy Kretts
(19:57:29) Topsy Kretts: haven't used it yet
(19:57:33) Cboloch: yeah, USA there starts from 10 bucks.
(19:57:45) Cboloch: database validity (on average) 98%
(19:57:48) rusell: what CC is best to use to enter Skype?
(19:58:33) The account has been disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will be automatically reconnected to it when the account is connected.
(19:52:58) hanau16: I don't know about you, but our cops will be interested WHAT he gets ten packs a week and even from abroad
(19:53:57) ictus: now no one cares who gets what in the mail, you have an online store, and you order all sorts of crap from your customers
(19:54:03) Cboloch: my chief of the police department once personally told me (verbatim): "FUCK, you can kill each other, CATTLE, I DON'T CARE" (everything verbatim)
(19:54:17) 112233: Topsy Kretts: 112233@procrd.pro
(19:54:23) 112233: 21
(19:54:59) Cboloch: so don't feed illusions that you are interesting to Interpol for 10 iPhones and 100 T-shirts
(19:55:06) hanau16: They don't give a damn about money
(19:55:07) anatoly26: Cboloch: Rumor has it that you have a contact of a person who can get swear words from HTAL
(19:56:01) Topsy Kretts: anatoly26: Rumor))
(19:56:14) Cboloch: anatoly26: no. I have a subaccount, but as a moderator I don't think it's possible for me to be an assistant of this kind.
(19:56:16) cos: )chain
(19:56:26) anatoly26: Topsy Kretts: Rumor has it that
(19:57:02) Topsy Kretts: I have a contact for such an assistant, Bars confirmed that he used it
(19:57:07) Topsy Kretts: dude fint
(19:57:23) Topsy Kretts: for 10.5 USA
(19:57:26) anatoly26: What's his swearing like and what about the prices? Topsy Kretts
(19:57:32) Topsy Kretts: haven't used it yet
(19:57:35) Cboloch: yeah, USA there starts from 10 bucks.
(19:57:48) Cboloch: database validity (on average) 98%
(19:57:51) rusell: what is the best CC to use to enter Skype?
(19:58:40) anatoly26: Cboloch: The REG, as I understand it, is closed there? Is there no way to get there?
(19:58:47) Cboloch: rusell: any. but it makes sense to check the KB address, for example, through Google Maps to see if there is a barracks at that address (as the easiest option), or a cafe at it
(19:59:24) Cboloch: anatoly26: yes. The REG has long been closed. Now even invites have been removed for subaccounts. An account (or subaccount) can only be bought used.
(19:59:36) Cboloch: rarely, but people sell them.
(20:00:15) Topsy Kretts: HERE'S A NEW SELLER ON OUR FORUM
(20:00:24) Topsy Kretts: has Verified status. What are the criteria for it?
(20:00:30) anatoly26: Cboloch: We had a problem with swearing today, everyone doesn't have USA, maybe you can advise where there is normal swearing
(20:00:43) Cboloch: you shouldn't mark the HTA account yet, you'll come yourself in time.... for now you need to learn how to work with the material
(20:01:14) ictus: and understand in which direction to move
(20:01:26) Cboloch: I just came up.... is Dasha not available?.. Is Dwayne in touch?....
(20:02:05) anatoly26: Dwayne is not available, Dasha will give us a ride tomorrow
(20:02:37) Cboloch: then, as WHO said - focus on tomorrow.
(20:02:46) Cboloch: another paid shop on the reg - VALIDCVVMTWP25N5.ONION
(20:03:07) Cboloch: you can also put a used account there. find buy (will be cheaper)
(20:03:16) anatoly26: 100 green reg as far as I know
(20:03:30) anatoly26: Today I also tried to get there
(20:03:31) bars228: 150
(20:03:31) Cboloch: but for now - don't waste money on such mat shops...
(20:03:35) WHO: Yes, wait for Dasha
(20:05:05) rusell: Let Dasha leave at least one card for beginners
(20:05:29) hanau16: Dwayne appeared and is gone, strange
(20:05:30) Cboloch: I'll have a look now... we have a person on the board who is trying to become a mat seller... you can try to take mat from him (but I don't give a Recommendation for him, just - as an option)... and since he is a "fresh" seller - you can try to get cheaper from him, for example half the price he announces + review
(20:05:58) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: Excellent)) I will take part in the test
(20:05:59) Cboloch: rusell: she won't do that... she has more contacts in toad than hair on my head
(20:06:43) hanau16: Cboloch: I'm only for it
(20:06:52) bars228: Go
(20:07:26) Topsy Kretts: WHO: Cboloch What are the criteria for giving Verified status? Here is a new seller on the forum
(20:07:33) Topsy Kretts: chatters in English in toad
(20:07:36) rusell: https://cvv-me.su/cvv/ - can I buy valid here?
(20:08:13) Cboloch: rusell: yeah, I think the guys had average reviews for this one
(20:08:22) bars228: I don't really like the swearing there
(20:08:33) bars228: The prices are high, the validation is so-so
(20:08:50) hanau16: Topsy Kretts: What's the point of all this clumsy show-off with English?
(20:09:02) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: Verification for sellers is assigned exclusively by the Club Administrator
(20:09:22) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: he's just a foreign seller, that's all)
(20:10:14) hanau16: I don't really believe it
(20:10:16) Cboloch: try to unsubscribe (as an option) to this informer.. write, like beginners, this and that.... like sell at half price.... + feedback from me... like here at the courses... like the tuber ProCrd... sent to you....
(20:10:50) hanau16: Who will take it on?
(20:11:11) hanau16: Will negotiate for everyone
(20:11:44) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: don't rule out that verified sellers may have deposits on closed paid well-known boards
(20:12:15) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: I can try
(20:14:06) hanau16: Topsy Kretts I'll take 3 pieces
(20:14:31) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: started a dialogue
(20:14:41) hanau16: Guys, squeal, who's asking for how much
(20:15:04) bars228: I'll save money, I'll take it from Dasha tomorrow))
(20:15:11) Bot438: 4
(20:15:53) Bot438: and how much from Dasha?
(20:16:04) bars228: 4.5
(20:16:15) Topsy Kretts: is this with a check 4.5?
(20:16:28) Cboloch: 4.5 - is this with Dasha's selection
(20:16:28) hanau16: Topsy Kretts: Check what Qiwi WebMoney wants regarding payment?
(20:16:37) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: ok
(20:16:48) Bot438: and what about this guy?
(20:16:54) anatoly26: He has 12
(20:16:55) bars228: Cboloch: tell me about the checkers
(20:17:23) Bot438: then I'm out. I'll wait tomorrow
(20:17:23) bars228: Probably not everyone knows what it is and how to use it.
(20:17:31) Vovchi: +
(20:17:34) hanau16: anatoly26: Well, we're hoping for a discount
(20:17:59) anatoly26: does psy+ support otr?
(20:18:21) bars228: In short, the main rule is - don't check before entering))
(20:18:22) hanau16: anatoly26: +
(20:19:25) Topsy Kretts: here's what we have on our issue
[10:17:52] <fullz informer> discover 6 usd, visa - master 10usd
, balance known for the last reporting period
[10:18:00] <fullz informer> fullz
(20:20:25) Cboloch: let him give a discount, half and + for your review on the quality of his material
(20:20:56) hanau16: Topsy Kretts: It seems like there was a conversation about discounts + reviews on the board from the whole group
(20:21:02) bars228: Yeah, then it would be okay
(20:21:31) hanau16: bars228: No harm in trying
(20:21:32) Topsy Kretts: I'm chatting.
(20:23:02) Topsy Kretts: for now [10:21:49] <fullz informer> the price has already been reduced at Cvoloch's request,
but if there is a wholesale order, then the master visa will be 8usd
[10:22:24] <fullz informer> the original price for everything was 12usd
(20:23:13) Topsy Kretts: now I want to know how many cards we need. and ask for 5.
(20:23:15) hanau16: Dwayne showed up and gave the cards
(20:23:28) Topsy Kretts: Topsy kretts 2 cc
(20:23:37) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: 3 CC
(20:24:05) hanau16: I'll take 3
(20:27:11) cos: also 3
(20:27:25) Topsy Kretts: COS 3 cc
(20:27:33) cos: yes
(20:27:38) cos: if for 5
(20:27:44) Topsy Kretts: yes, I want to hit for 5
(20:28:26) hanau16: He really needs reviews
(20:28:43) Cboloch: of course, he really needs reviews.
(20:28:48) Cboloch: put pressure on him on the price!
(20:29:13) Cboloch: they already gave him a "cute" .. opened a topic for him on cards without a deposit
(20:30:04) cos: anatoly26 ictus Sadam rusel does anyone have their toads? write to them
(20:30:05) Topsy Kretts: said that I need 10 cards for 5 bucks + reviews
(20:30:18) bars228: If for 5 then I'll take 1 too))
(20:30:30) anatoly26: +1 for me if for 5
(20:30:31) hanau16: Cboloch: You will have a personal godson
(20:30:37) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: there you go, you're doing great!
(20:30:39) Topsy Kretts: well, I indicated 10 cards with a reserve
(20:30:44) anatoly26: cos: -
(20:30:48) Cboloch: hanau16: who*?
(20:30:57) bars228: I want to try to get through one shop, if everything is good I'll share the info
(20:31:06) hanau16: Cboloch: New seller
(20:31:17) anatoly26: bars228: If anything - prepare a big pack of tunnels
(20:31:32) Topsy Kretts: he's acting up [10:30:55] <fullz informer> 10 min, I'll see how many "not fullz" there are, I'll offer what happens
(20:31:38) Topsy Kretts: he already wants simple ones, he's not offering fullz
(20:31:51) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: in his case - these are not fullz
(20:32:10) Cboloch: these are just cards with available info on the date of the last issue. but not full
(20:32:13) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: 5 at a time, not full wholesale, he's kind of greedy
(20:32:26) bars228: Full is with ssn-dob info
(20:32:31) Topsy Kretts: he has ssn and dob and everything is listed in the topic
(20:32:37) Topsy Kretts: phone/email/SSN/DOB/address/city/ZIP/STATE/Name Holder/card number/exp/cvv/balance
(20:33:26) cos: ssn+dob what's that? mother's maiden name or something like that? (
20:33:39) Topsy Kretts: dob date of birth
(20:33:43) Topsy Kretts: ssn serial number
(20:33:44) Cboloch: ssn - like our tax identification number, social security number
(20:34:09) Topsy Kretts: [10:22:24] <fullz informer> initially the price for everything is 12usd
[10:29:30] <Topsy Kretts> 10 cards needed, 5 usd each
[10:29:36] <Topsy Kretts> with reviews
[10:30:55] <fullz informer> 10 min, I'll see how many "not fullz" there are, I'll offer whatever happens
[10:33:01] <Topsy Kretts> depending on what's missing)
[10:33:09] <Topsy Kretts> ok, offer
[10:33:25] <fullz informer> DOB minus month and day
[10:33:48] <Topsy Kretts> I'll check now
(20:34:10) cos: ah, the shop can ask for this
(20:34:15) bars228: You can check it yourself on robocheck
(20:34:19) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: it works for us without DOB)?
(20:34:29) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: yes
(20:34:32) bars228: It might be needed for VBV
(20:34:42) Cboloch: ssn+dob are needed for enroll
(20:34:42) Topsy Kretts: well, at our stage there won't be VBV
(20:35:02) bars228: Depends on the shop).
(20:35:07) hanau16: cos: MMN (mother's maiden name) - mother's maiden name.
DOB (date of birth) - date of birth.
SSN (social secure number) - individual taxpayer identification number.
PIN (pin code) - 4-digit PIN code of the card.
DL (driver's license) - driver's license number.
(20:35:55) cos: <hanau16> (Y)
(20:36:25) bars228: Topsy Kretts: go fuck yourself, why do we need full
(20:36:27) Topsy Kretts: now he's making a selection, looking at how many cards there are.
(20:36:34) Topsy Kretts: waiting for an answer. said not to rush)_)
(20:36:36) Topsy Kretts: me
(20:36:52) bars228: Where to put the money if you want to throw something?)
(20:36:59) bars228: BTC?
(20:37:02) Topsy Kretts: He has Bitcoins! Who has 50 usd in Bitcoins?
(20:37:02) 112233: he was checking me for info, did a good job
(20:37:11) cos: well, holy shit
(20:37:14) bars228: I have some
(20:37:25) Topsy Kretts: bars228: ok, shall we do it with you then?
(20:37:33) bars228: Good
(20:37:33) cos: shall we spill you some kiwi?
(20:37:38) hanau16: NO NO NO I don't need bitcoins, I don't have any
(20:37:39) bars228: What should we do?
(20:37:50) Topsy Kretts: if kiwi is good enough for you, then yes, kiwi
(20:38:07) Topsy Kretts: they send you everything, then you transfer bitcoins to him
(20:38:48) hanau16: WMR-Z kiwi
(20:38:58) anatoly26: Write kiwi
(20:39:11) bars228: 5 minutes, I'll sit down at the computer
(20:39:37) hanau16: Let's have a smoke?
(20:39:45) Topsy Kretts: wait, I still need an answer from him
(20:39:52) Topsy Kretts: I didn't finish talking about the quantity
(20:39:58) Topsy Kretts: more precisely, he didn't say how many there are
(20:39:59) Cboloch: =)
(20:40:13) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: well, are we doing everything right?)
(20:40:21) hanau16: No problem
(20:40:24) Cboloch: yeah
(20:42:04) Sadam: oh, I think I missed a lot here
(20:42:12) Sadam: and I'll take 3 CC
(20:42:18) Sadam: how do I pay?
(20:42:38) cos: <Sadam> wait a minute, the seller will write back
(20:42:43) Topsy Kretts: Sadam: while we wait for the answer on the amount. Kiwi will pay Bars. and Bars will pay the seller in bitcoins
(20:42:56) bars228: +380688785976 - kiwi
Z648719940540 - vmz
(20:43:01) bars228: we are waiting, yes
(20:43:33) cos: rusel, how are you?
( 20:43:39) rusell: ;le dct[
(20:43:50) rusell: we're waiting for me vmz
(20:43:54) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: tell me about the check, is it worth it or not to check, if the CC shop has a service for 0.5
(20:44:26) Topsy Kretts: this is not about this seller, I'm talking about another CC shop. also cards for 5, no reviews but from our forum Verified https://cvvunion.ws
(20:44:38) bars228: Topsy Kretts: no one will tell you until you understand it yourself)
(20:44:53) Topsy Kretts: drove 5 usd there. I'll take one and the review will be the first on the forum.
(20:45:25) hanau16: Looks like he's sitting in a trench counting cardboard
(20:45:51) Cboloch: hanau16: ahahaha)
(20:46:27) Topsy Kretts: [10:45:39] <fullz informer> 5 pcs, are you taking them?
[10:45:56] <Topsy Kretts> no extras, huh? visa?
[10:46:09] <fullz informer> visa and master
(20:46:35) Topsy Kretts: so whoever takes them, one at a time then, +
(20:48:06) cos: let him hoof the sixth one))
(20:48:41) Topsy Kretts: right.
(20:48:44) hanau16: Those who didn't make it in time... no problem, I have some for tomorrow
(20:49:02) anatoly26: Cboloch: I have a question, if the card doesn't have a zip - can I take it?
(20:49:44) Cboloch: anatoly26: the postcode can be found on Google Maps, that's the easiest way
(20:50:13) bars228: That's if you have the address)
(20:50:36) Topsy Kretts: now if there's MAT, the lecture with practice will continue)? WHO
(20:50:43) Topsy Kretts: [10:47:50] <Topsy Kretts> if it's not valid, then a refund? how much time is there for verification?
[10:48:29] <fullz informer> 1 hour
[10:48:43] <Topsy Kretts> need a sixth
[10:48:54] <Topsy Kretts> can you make another +5?
[10:48:59] <Topsy Kretts> +5 usd
[10:50:20] <fullz informer> screw it, ok
tell Cvolоch there thanks
(20:51:47) Cboloch: yeah, his thanks are exactly what I need. the main thing is that the profit is from his cards. the rest is crap in this case.
(20:51:53) Cboloch: especially since he gives an hour.
(20:52:11) Topsy Kretts: where are we going to hit? except for tispring
(20:52:17) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: ?
(20:52:24) Topsy Kretts: with a spike in ru
(20:52:47) cos: let's teaspring and type it in
(20:52:48) hanau16: Cboloch: So what, maybe we should try to type it in?
(20:52:49) Topsy Kretts: Pay for Bars on Qiwi or VMZ for 300 rubles or 5 USD
+380688785976 - Qiwi
Z648719940540 - VMZ
(20:53:00) cos: you will have another T-shirt))
(20:53:16) bars228: if VMR then here - R753981153856
(20:53:38) hanau16: JОк
(20:53:43) Topsy Kretts: indicate your nickname in the comment
(20:53:48) bars228: I can give you a shop with Chinese phones to tear apart, I recently carded one from there
(20:53:54) bars228: but he doesn't give more
(20:54:21) Topsy Kretts: why doesn't it? it's not clear? that ship is not equal to bill?
(20:54:42) bars228: probably the address is giving away
(20:54:42) Topsy Kretts: ))))))))))))
(20:54:52) Topsy Kretts: Transferred 300r to Qiwi Topsy
(20:54:55) bars228: and so I sent to bill usa, ship ua
(20:55:21) ictus: bars let's shop)
(20:55:36) cos: uploaded
(20:55:44) bars228: lightinthebox.com
(20:55:48) bars228: there vbv
(20:55:59) rusell: transferred to vmz 5
(20:56:45) bars228: you were sent a postcard with money xd
(20:57:20) cos: <bars228> ahaha yeah, I got tired of the postcard)
(20:57:44) hanau16: bars228: SENT
(20:58:05) cos: ok)
(20:59:17) Sadam: I agreed with Bars
(20:59:23) bars228: For tomorrow, yes
(20:59:27) Sadam: yes
(20:59:40) Topsy Kretts: ok
(20:59:59) Topsy Kretts: then we'll pay. I will issue them according to this list in order, as he sends them in the same order
(21:00:19) Topsy Kretts: my toad topsykretts@exploit.im hit me up and write my nickname
(21:00:28) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: correct
(21:01:09) bars228: http://prntscr.com/e96cm7

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(21:01:59) bars228: https://blockchain.info/ru/address/1JD3CVedVtBYm1kkjv9ecjL1PR6EJpmeGd
(21:02:02) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: where did you send it?
(21:02:16) hanau16: СЯС
(21:02:25) bars228: seller's wallet, sent money ($30)
(21:03:12) cos: Dasha said tomorrow at +17:00 Moscow time to hammer her
(21:03:39) bars228: oh, ok
(21:03:44) bars228: I'll just wake up)
(21:05:11) Topsy Kretts: [11:01:45] <fullz informer> I see
5 min
(21:05:13) Topsy Kretts: received the money
(21:05:14) Topsy Kretts: we're waiting
(21:05:30) hanau16: Tell me where I can look at the transfer history on webmoney
(21:05:33) cos: <bars228> how CC in hand will you be able to write to me about the tunnels?
(21:05:43) bars228: yes, of course
(21:05:50) cos: ok
(21:05:59) bars228: I'll give you the tunnels and then I'll enter them myself)
(21:06:17) Topsy Kretts: we'll find where to enter them)
(21:06:23) Topsy Kretts: in addition to the T-shirts, throw in a shop
(21:06:36) cos: let's have a teespring
(21:07:02) bars228: hanau16: https://mini.webmoney.ru/purses-view-history.aspx
(21:08:01) Topsy Kretts: I received the cards, I'm forming them by nicknames. a couple of minutes
(21:09:10) hanau16: : Topsy Kretts R753981153856here you go
(21:09:34) hanau16: Why not there?
(21:10:02) bars228: http://prntscr.com/e96hnl
(21:10:10) bars228: why nothing, weird
(21:10:13) bars228: *t
(21:11:16) Sadam: I missed a lot again
(21:11:29) Sadam: where should I send the money for the SS?
(21:11:54) Topsy Kretts: sent 5 cards. waiting for the sixth and to sort out the finances. those who paid will receive it in a couple of minutes
(21:11:55) Topsy Kretts: [11:10:09] <Topsy Kretts> there are only 5
[11:10:14] <Topsy Kretts> or I have porridge
[11:10:16] <Topsy Kretts> in the file)
[11:10:25] <fullz informer> 1 min
[11:11:10] <fullz informer> sorry
I didn't add it
, everything will be here now
(21:12:37) Topsy Kretts: Sadam: +380688785976 - kiwi
Z648719940540 - vmz
R753981153856
5 bucks or 300 rubles
(21:12:39) bars228: Sadam: I wrote the details in a PM
(21:13:13) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: bars must confirm! take a screenshot of the translation
(21:13:32) hanau16: Ok
(21:14:29) bars228: hanau16: well there is no translation from you, why should I lie
(21:15:09) Topsy Kretts: we formed a list and the seller gave an answer on the number of SS
(21:15:30) hanau16: Guys, no problem, we'll figure it out
(21:16:24) bars228: let's distribute the available maps for now and I'll start looking for tunnels)
(21:16:49) Topsy Kretts: received the sixth one. I'll give it to you in a PM
(21:17:07) cos: maybe there will be a seventh one for fisher)
(21:17:31) cos: so that we can start a gang already)
(21:17:44) Sam_Fisher: haha
(21:19:10) Topsy Kretts: I'll find out now
(21:19:16) hanau16: People, I'm terribly sorry but the payment didn't go through, so I can resend it or I can give the cardboard to those in need, I have cards with me
(21:19:35) bars228: hanau16: why didn't it go through?
(21:19:52) Topsy Kretts: I already sent you the card
(21:19:57) Topsy Kretts: pay using another method?
(21:20:11) hanau16: Ah, I've known WebMoney for two days
(21:20:54) hanau16: No problem, throw me another wmr
(21:21:12) Topsy Kretts: [11:20:37] <fullz informer> that's just impudence..
stuff like that costs 15usd
(21:21:15) bars228: R753981153856 - wmr
(21:21:36) Topsy Kretts: Sam_Fisher: [11:21:08] <fullz informer> I can give you the disk for 5
[11:21:16] <Topsy Kretts> a full copy?
[11:21:19] <fullz informer> yes
(21:21:40) Topsy Kretts: do you need that kind of material?
(21:22:11) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: what's the difference with Discover?
(21:22:29) Cboloch: frankly - I've never worked with Discover
(21:22:44) Sam_Fisher: Me neither
(21:22:49) Topsy Kretts: guys, did you get everything, is everything ok?
(21:22:56) Topsy Kretts: well, they confirmed everything for me except hanau
(21:24:00) Cboloch: register emails... tunnels, dedicated servers, etc....
(21:24:04) Topsy Kretts: am I giving up Discover? Sam_Fisher
(21:24:16) hanau16: bars228: I get it, this bitch demands that I visit the site and fill out a form
(21:24:17) Sam_Fisher: How much does it cost?
(21:24:26) Topsy Kretts: Sam_Fisher: 5 usd full with balance
(21:24:40) Sam_Fisher: Topsy Kretts: Let me try
(21:24:44) Sam_Fisher: Kiwi
(21:24:44) Topsy Kretts: Sam_Fisher: ok
(21:24:51) Topsy Kretts: Sam_Fisher: +380688785976 - kiwi
(21:24:54) Topsy Kretts: 300r
(21:25:24) Sam_Fisher: Gone
(21:25:33) bars228: Received
(21:25:43) bars228: There for bitcoins too?
(21:25:58) cos: guys, what is this ORION MI 48359-1270???
(21:26:22) hanau16: bars228 If it's urgent, I'll fill it out and send it, but if possible, later BUT today
(21:27:13) bars228: hanau16: not urgent, do it when you have the opportunity
(21:27:29) bars228: is there a problem with the certificate? there it seems like you need to wait for confirmation of documents
(21:27:35) hanau16: bars228: Ok thanks
(21:28:18) hanau16: bars228: Yesterday I transferred 12 bucks without any problems
(21:28:23) bars228: cos: write to toad, I'll find it
(21:28:29) cos: <Cboloch> Is CITI a bank? I'm analyzing the tsekshki and this is the only thing that looks like the name of a bank
(21:28:41) Cboloch: check the card bin:
(21:28:49) Cboloch: http://bins.pro/
(21:29:12) Cboloch: cos: this is for you and for everyone (as one of many options)
(21:30:00) cos: ok
(21:30:37) rusell: which Bitcoin wallet is better to use?
(21:30:45) bars228: https://blockchain.info
(21:31:02) Cboloch: bars228: + correct, as one of the most typical simple ones
(21:31:14) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: bars228 could not top it up from a card
(21:31:21) Topsy Kretts: payment was canceled twice for some reason
(21:31:32) Sadam: I once read about electrum, they said it was good
(21:31:36) Sadam: what can you say?
(21:31:38) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: I did it through an exchanger
(21:31:44) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: me too
(21:31:57) bars228: a ton of exchangers
(21:32:03) bars228: bestchange.ru
(21:32:11) bars228: everything is here
(21:32:47) Cboloch: so, don't relax... grandpas, tunnels.. etc. and get to work.
(21:33:00) Cboloch: I'll help with the first simple example on Teespring
(21:33:17) Cboloch: this is a quick simple entry, for ease of understanding.
(21:33:24) Cboloch: further shops will be more difficult
(21:33:37) cos: yes CITI is a bank
(21:33:48) cos: <Cboloch> I have two addresses
(21:33:56) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: it turns out that you can use this card to check it and leave it for other shops?*
(21:34:01) Topsy Kretts: by the way, we have about 40 minutes to exchange guys
(21:34:04) Topsy Kretts: if the card is invalid
(21:34:10) cos: Sawyer/867 vernita dr/Lake orion/48362/Michigan/United this one with a zip
(21:34:17) cos: and some other one
(21:34:29) cos: 1968 SUNFIELD PL APT 101
(21:34:31) Cboloch: cos: send me in private what you gave
(21:34:45) Cboloch: you can remove the card number, the rest is as you gave
(21:35:27) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: yes, but if it works - you can check it in two different shops at once (I'm not bullying about the money on the card)
(21:35:36) Cboloch: not bullying*
(21:36:37) Cboloch: so, we go to Teespring - we see "companies" - http://prntscr.com/e96vff
(21:37:55) cos: <Cboloch> did you get the link?
(21:42:33) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch:
(21:43:23) Cboloch: oh
(21:43:25) Cboloch: 5 sec
(21:43:29) Cboloch: so here it is.
(21:44:05) Cboloch: The company has Time.
(21:44:47) Cboloch: The less time for the company - the faster the company will go to print. The faster it goes to print, the higher the chances that the charge will not have time to come.
(21:45:39) Cboloch: Hitting something that has 2-3 days left until the end of the company - reduces the chances of success.
(21:47:40) Cboloch: chose... clicked Buy it now
(21:48:02) Cboloch: chose the size, quantity
(21:48:23) Cboloch: clicked Add to cart
(21:49:12) Cboloch: clicked Proceed to Checkout*
(21:49:29) Cboloch: filling:
(21:51:44) Cboloch: 1. http://prntscr.com/e973eb
(21:53:40) Cboloch: 2. http://prntscr.com/e974an
(21:55:22) Cboloch: click checkout
(21:57:42) Cboloch: is someone doing something?
(21:58:19) bars228: zip doesn't need to be specified, does it?
(21:58:26) Cboloch: no
(21:58:33) Topsy Kretts: I'm doing it
(21:58:34) Topsy Kretts: +++
(21:58:41) hanau16: I'm watching closely, not ready yet
(21:58:51) Topsy Kretts: still choosing shirts! Dedicated server + tunnel ready
(21:59:02) bars228: does anyone else need tunnels?
(21:59:08) Topsy Kretts: is there a way to sort by campaign time?
(21:59:35) hanau16: bars228 I'll ask you later:
(21:59:50) bars228: I'll go have a smoke for now
(22:00:20) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: unfortunately, no (I didn't find such an opportunity on tise at the time)
(22:01:10) Cboloch: shop, for those who already know what middlemen are - https://www.romwe.com
(22:01:18) hanau16: bars228 Yes, wet ones are needed to strengthen the material
(22:01:42) Cboloch: shop breaks through to bil=ship=middlemen. Then the shop will request rendering (rendering costs $10-15)
(22:02:39) Cboloch: the above-mentioned lightinthebox.com gets through to billing=ship, then requests rendering
(22:02:55) hanau16: How long does rendering usually take and how long can the shop wait
(22:03:33) Cboloch: hanau16: normal renderers draw in 2-3 hours. The shop waits (usually) up to a couple of days
(22:03:37) Cboloch: (working)
(22:03:50) hanau16: Cool
(22:04:22) Topsy Kretts: billing=ship, so we indicate our billing and shipping addresses?
(22:04:37) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: "ours" - depends on where
(22:04:44) Topsy Kretts: light
(22:04:46) Topsy Kretts: inzebox
(22:05:23) anatoly26: Drop the log in the chat
(22:05:43) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: no, in light (me personally) - in the middle. ship=bil=posred
(22:05:54) Topsy Kretts: ok
(22:05:57) Cboloch: here's another shop (bil like teespring) - http://www.ripndipclothing.com/
(22:06:39) Cboloch: but there's a small "but" - ripndip sends only once to one address... then the address gets into their "lock", and they don't send anymore
(22:07:33) ictus: ripndip is normal, I'm interested)
(22:08:05) Cboloch: ) you can send it to a neighbor, to a friend...
(22:08:24) bars228: Cboloch: regarding lightinthebox, as I understand it, you don't need to specify the billing of an American, but bil with a USA IP?
Personally, when I did it, I put the UA ship, and the billing was Amer, but then, when the payment was confirmed, they changed the billing to mine))
from the documents they asked for a receipt for utilities, shipping address, which was easy to do without rendering
(22:08:36) Cboloch: if not a friend, but a "comrade" - you can tidy up that you sent it to him, like you wasted your passport...
(22:09:28) Cboloch: "they corrected the billing for me))" - who corrected it? it couldn't happen that they corrected the billing for you
(22:09:58) bars228: when I entered it, I remember exactly that I installed usa. and then I look and there is bill-ship UA
(22:10:04) Cboloch: billing - place of invoice (binding)
(22:10:22) Cboloch: binding of CH card
(22:11:14) Cboloch: bars228: regarding UA... if I'm not mistaken, your norm is 30 USD per month for customs.. or am I mistaken? or 150 USD.. I don't remember exactly
(22:11:45) ictus: there is about 150, I think
(22:12:07) bars228: Cboloch: I think so, but in that shop customs are paid. if you know - tell me about it - does it send to the same address?
(22:12:21) Cboloch: bars228: yeah)
(22:13:58) bars228: cool, I hope I'll get lucky)
(22:14:29) hanau16: bars228: Don't be modest
(22:15:16) bars228: I'll cash in for an 8k laptop
(22:22:40) Topsy Kretts: who else beats besides me??
(22:23:00) hanau16: -
(22:23:56) cos: what court can I try? lightinthebox.com
(22:24:33) Topsy Kretts: here you need an intermediary
(22:25:23) Cboloch: cos: it’s possible, but you need an intermediary
(22:25:49) cos: clearly, that means later
(22:27:39) Cboloch: another recommendation in life - don’t be greedy
(22:27:43) cos: will mail com get in there? or do I need to create a Yahoo?
(22:28:04) Cboloch: cos: you can gmail, you can yahoo, you can mail
(22:28:14) Cboloch: there are a lot of domains on the email....
(22:28:27) cos: ok
(22:31:15) hanau16: Tell me please, can I verify the verification on the web money docks from a bold or are they checking? (
22:31:39) bars228: They're checking, write your own or buy for $3
(22:32:01) hanau16: Ok
(22:33:46) hanau16: bars228: Looks like I won't be able to transfer money to you. Tomorrow I'll make a Qiwi voucher and send it to you in the toad. Will that be okay?
(22:34:23) bars228: hanau16: No problem, good
(22:34:45) hanau16: Danke serr
(22:36:57) hanau16: Damn, how can I now get a hundred Baku from WebMoney, I signed up on purpose?
(22:37:15) bars228: Write to support (22:37:31)
bars228: They'll change the details
(22:37:40) bars228: They'll also need a scan of your passport
(22:37:41) hanau16: What should I tell them?
(22:37:46) bars228: Just say so)
(22:37:57) hanau16: The truth
(22:38:30) hanau16: Ok, I'll try tomorrow
(22:40:07) hanau16: And you don't know how WebMoney gets along with the priests? I'm just in debt to a bunch of banks
(22:41:37) Cboloch: hanau16: no way
(22:41:38) hanau16: And all my accounts in different banks are blocked
(22:42:10) hanau16: Even though there was nothing there anymore
(22:42:16) cos: How much do the broker's services cost?
(22:42:45) bars228: Cboloch: Why? When I registered, I made a mistake in the data - I wrote to support and they corrected it
(22:42:50) cos: <hanau16> you are not the only debtor)))
(22:43:07) cos: How much do the broker's services cost?
(22:43:25) hanau16: I don't care the whole country is in debt\
(22:44:05) Cboloch: cos: for example: http://parcelforce.ru/
(22:44:24) Topsy Kretts: the card was declined
(22:44:31) Topsy Kretts: damn. what, disabled?
(22:44:39) Topsy Kretts: in tis
(22:44:50) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: try typing it into Skype
(22:45:00) Cboloch: if it doesn't work in Skype, change it
(22:47:18) ictus: http://parcelforce.ru/ then to yourself, for example, from ripndip, or can you immediately to yourself?
(22:47:45) bars228: http://prntscr.com/e97vfk well as always
(22:48:26) Topsy Kretts: http://prntscr.com/e97vqv entered for the second time, accepted. but look what! half of it was wrong! how so?
(22:51:04) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch:
(22:51:43) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: I'll tell you -
(22:51:56) Cboloch: Teespring is not one seller, but a platform of sellers.
(22:52:21) Cboloch: even one item (a T-shirt and a cup) can be sent for printing for different sellers
(22:53:13) Cboloch: bars228: for lightsinthebox (where you hit) - it's normal that not everything fits. in such shops you need to "select" the incoming bins.
(22:53:15) Topsy Kretts: I see! That is, you don't need to choose one design for several positions. Mine were rejected like that
(22:53:19) Cboloch: Among other things -
(22:53:57) Cboloch: For each shop, write down the information - bin (which entered). date, time, day of the week.
(22:54:39) Cboloch: For some shops, statistics are sometimes tracked - for example: the shop swallows orders for the first two weeks, but not for the second two weeks in a month. (This is figuratively speaking now, as an example).
(22:54:55) Cboloch: So you need to keep some statistics on your shops
(22:56:16) Cboloch: The same Skype is essentially a good "checker" - i.e. we don't run the card through a checker (which are known to all merchants, and banks then decline the card itself, and not the specific transaction, which is why checkers kill cards)
(22:56:33) Cboloch: , but we enter it into Skype, like "honest KH"
(22:57:27) Cboloch: in principle, withdrawal from Skype exists (as I was told) through paid calls to numbers, but (IMHO) - it's a burden.... and Skype itself will be useful to you in the future.
(22:57:54) Cboloch: because then we buy a number for Skype, to which we put an audio recording, for possible calls from stores
(22:58:12) Topsy Kretts: cool)
(23:03:57) Topsy Kretts: damn! everyone rejected http://prntscr.com/e983kc
(23:04:01) Topsy Kretts: that's a full one
(23:04:42) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts first... as far as I understand (see)... are you hitting from under an account? (
23:04:57) Topsy Kretts: I created an account under KH
(23:04:59) Cboloch: second - there is no point in creating an account on Teespring
(23:05:06) Cboloch: of course
(23:05:14) Cboloch: no accounts on Teespring
(23:05:18) Cboloch: clean the car
(23:05:24) Cboloch: ssscreener om....
(23:05:44) Cboloch: and go "simply" choose, just enter as I showed the screenshots
(23:05:49) Topsy Kretts: ok
(23:05:52) Topsy Kretts: the same SS?
(23:06:00) Cboloch: and as I said above - try in Skype
(23:06:05) Topsy Kretts: yes, I see this advice
(23:06:10) Cboloch: yes. in Skype - try to enter the same SS
(23:06:14) Topsy Kretts: and in TIS
(23:06:18) Cboloch: Skype doesn't care if it's a tunnel or not
(23:06:25) Cboloch: just from any USB IP
(23:06:34) Cboloch: and TIS doesn't care if it's a tunnel or not
(23:12:42) Topsy Kretts: and about DNS?
(23:12:46) Topsy Kretts: TIS doesn't care?
(23:12:54) Topsy Kretts: I have German
(23:13:09) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: why German??
(23:13:44) Topsy Kretts: yes, I ran DNSWatch into the router without logs
(23:14:09) Topsy Kretts: and for some reason the virtual machine doesn’t work from the VPN, but it does without the tunnel, mine, the router’s
(23:14:28) Topsy Kretts: I entered Google’s 8 8 8 8 on the virtual machine.
(23:14:34) Topsy Kretts: everything is ok. USA is just right
(23:15:33) Topsy Kretts: here http://prntscr.com/e9895x
(23:16:08) bars228: what kind of Win2k3 is this?
(23:18:07) Cboloch: bars228: 2003
(23:18:25) bars228: first time I see it)
(23:18:44) Cboloch: server OS
(23:21:39) Topsy Kretts: actually I have XP on a virtual machine
(23:21:42) Topsy Kretts: strange
(23:21:49) Topsy Kretts: xp x64
(23:23:08) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: are you using a reflashed router?
(23:24:48) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: no
(23:25:18) Topsy Kretts: http://prntscr.com/e98di4 can we ignore this? in short, from a clean machine without registration, I got another email, like check your payment details
(23:25:51) Topsy Kretts: I'll go to Skype,
(23:25:53) Topsy Kretts: )
(23:26:19) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: the last screenshot - you need to click next to it and enter the order
(23:26:31) Cboloch: to the left of Facebook
(23:26:41) Cboloch: and there you will see whether the order "went" or not
(23:26:52) Cboloch: try loading it in Skype
(23:27:06) Cboloch: the rest - what's your situation?
(23:27:45) bars228: just entered - 8 cancellations came right away
(23:27:53) bars228: only 20 positions
(23:28:09) Cboloch: bars228: I already said above - don't be greedy
(23:28:45) Cboloch: there may be (in general, in essence) limits on the cards.. for example - no more than 100 dollars a day. - this is as an example
(23:30:10) Cboloch: when you get to liquidation - you will remember my words... the fact that there are tens (10k$) on the card, it does not mean that you can go buy two R4 aliens... the bank .. the bank itself will block the transaction as dubious
(23:31:05) Cboloch: now your task is not to buy some stuff, but to understand basic carding, to practice your skills, if from a virtual machine - to save your virtual machines...
(23:31:09) ictus: I understand the theory, I will try on Friday most likely because there are some problems with time and finances for mat
(23:31:47) Cboloch: okay, Topsy Kretts - go to the store saboskirt - choose a dress
(23:31:49) bars228: And don't Skypes block if a charge comes in? (
23:32:15) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: ok! I'll make Skype now for 10 minutes
(23:32:20) Cboloch: bars228: in general - they block... but no matter how much I typed, I haven't had a single lock in the last six months... there are about 400 dollars on Skype
(23:39:55) bars228: http://prntscr.com/e98kmq (23:40:01) bars228: didn't go into Skype
(23:40:23) bars228: it seems to me that they slipped us crap
(23:40:47) Topsy Kretts: didn't go into
(23:40:49) Topsy Kretts: http://prntscr.com/e98l4p into Skype
(23:41:07) Cboloch: okay.
(23:41:18) Cboloch: let's go to the third shop - saboskirt
(23:41:31) Cboloch: if he doesn't get in there, we need to change the cards
(23:42:08) Topsy Kretts: ok.
(23:42:11) Topsy Kretts: what's special about that?
(23:42:18) Cboloch: I'll open it now..
(23:42:20) Cboloch: 5 sec
(23:42:31) Topsy Kretts: our change time has passed, but we'll definitely decide something with you)
(23:43:12) Cboloch: to put it simply - we don't care about him. We (the club, the board) gave him a chance. Either he'll take it or not
(23:43:18) Cboloch: let's choose a dress.
(23:43:23) Cboloch: we take up to 100 bucks
(23:43:26) Cboloch: any
(23:44:06) Topsy Kretts: one yes
(23:44:08) Cboloch: we set the required size
(23:44:22) Cboloch: yes, one. our task is to "pump up" the card, to understand what the job is now
(23:44:29) Cboloch: trouble*
(23:44:37) Cboloch: presses add to card
(23:44:59) Cboloch: press the basket and choose checkout
(23:45:14) Cboloch: enter email
(23:45:19) Topsy Kretts: by the way, I don't have a tunnel
(23:45:21) Topsy Kretts: do you need it?
(23:45:26) Topsy Kretts: USA IP VPN
(23:45:32) Cboloch: just USA IP
(23:45:35) Topsy Kretts: ok+
(23:45:40) Cboloch: any USA IP
(23:45:49) Cboloch: first name and last name - yours
(23:46:23) Cboloch: choose a country
(23:46:30) Cboloch: and put your address
(23:46:58) Cboloch: put a tick at the bottom
(23:47:01) Cboloch: and continue
(23:47:30) Cboloch: billing - as it is, i.e. by Just use my shipping addres
(23:47:34) Topsy Kretts: it costs PAYPAL
(23:47:36) Topsy Kretts: no choice
(23:48:09) Topsy Kretts: http://prntscr.com/e98oli
(23:48:29) Topsy Kretts: for a moment, what you're talking about. maybe I accidentally clicked on the right one. I don't understand
(23:48:39) Cboloch: ok. 5 sec
(23:49:05) Cboloch: we do "back" (those who got a paypal)
(23:50:02) Cboloch: set the country to Poland
(23:50:07) Cboloch: index - OWN
(23:50:14) Cboloch: address - OWN
(23:50:33) Cboloch: write at the end of the street for example: Lenina 21-38 RU
(23:51:08) Topsy Kretts: oh, now CC input
(23:51:12) Topsy Kretts: cheating ))
(23:51:21) Cboloch: enter the card, name - OWN
(23:51:27) Topsy Kretts: my owner is GREGORY L MASER
(23:51:31) Topsy Kretts: should I put the letter L?
(23:51:33) Cboloch: name - YOUR OWN
(23:51:40) Topsy Kretts: ok
(23:51:41) Cboloch: Vasya Pupkin
(23:51:50) Cboloch: your own, like in ship and bill
(23:52:49) Cboloch: we do everything with our own hands, no copy-paste
(23:53:04) Topsy Kretts: ok.
(23:53:43) Topsy Kretts: damn) Rejected http://prntscr.com/e98r4i
(23:54:32) Cboloch: question -
(23:54:44) Cboloch: where I entered the card - below, there was the Billing address...
(23:54:52) Cboloch: did you change the RU to Poland there?
(23:55:04) Topsy Kretts: I set yuse shipping
(23:55:11) Topsy Kretts: :-$
(23:55:27) Cboloch: the card is for replacement
(23:55:34) Topsy Kretts: Bars is doing the same now
(23:55:35) Cboloch: let him check
(23:55:42) Cboloch: no, just for replacement.
(23:55:58) Topsy Kretts: help me compose a normal appeal to him so that I don't spout bullshit, plz
(23:56:01) Cboloch: you can just say that - she didn't log into Teespring, she didn't log into Skype
(23:56:05) bars228: http://prntscr.com/e98s77
(23:56:10) bars228: same thing
(23:56:29) Cboloch: also needs to be replaced
(23:56:42) Cboloch: bars228: try her on Skype
(23:56:52) bars228: I already tried
(23:56:54) bars228: didn't work
(23:56:58) Topsy Kretts: we're doing the same thing)))
(23:57:04) Cboloch: for replacement. definitely
(23:57:19) bars228: who else entered it?
(23:57:33) Topsy Kretts: Sam_Fisher: what did you enter?
(23:57:34) Cboloch: I'll explain - shops like teespring, a service like Skype - this is where "everything" goes
(23:58:56) Topsy Kretts: I understand
(23:59:01) Topsy Kretts: how cool it is to type under supervision
(23:59:10) Topsy Kretts: especially on time)
(23:59:37) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: I'll write him a message now, I'll show you
(23:59:50) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: don't worry about words.. write as it is
(23:59:59) Cboloch: he's a nobody to me and I have no name for him
(02/16/2017 0:00:22) Cboloch: I mean, I don't care, even if you call him a donkey
(0:00:52) Topsy Kretts: Two cards, first and second, are dead. Teespring didn't work, Skype didn't work. The bastard checked and looked at everything. Definitely needs to be replaced. I understand the check time has passed, but here we have a different situation
(0:01:13) Topsy Kretts: or better without the bullshit about the check time
(0:01:14) Cboloch: normal
(0:01:21) Cboloch: without the check time
(0:01:38) Cboloch: here you go
(0:01:39) Cboloch: http://prntscr.com/e98uph
(0:01:42) Cboloch: just now
(0:01:53) Topsy Kretts: processing? (
0:02:02) Cboloch: yes
(0:02:30) Topsy Kretts: by the way, the work from which I took out 1k, for example (LAPTOP), is fraught with the risk of hammering it in with a spike on myself, right?
(0:02:42) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: I don't need this sabotskirt... I took it out for 5k in December
(0:03:02) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: did you manage to realize what you took out?)
(0:03:19) Topsy Kretts: [14:01:21] <Topsy Kretts> Two cards, the first and second, are dead. Teespring didn't work, Skype didn't work. The bastard checked and looked at everything. Definitely needs to be replaced.
[14:02:58] <fullz informer> let him write to me
(0:03:21) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: the thorn on yourself will go away for you... first to the middleman.. then you'll send the middlemen away
(0:03:49) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: will you say a few words to him??
(0:03:52) Topsy Kretts: give him a toad?
(0:04:08) Topsy Kretts: fullz informer < fullz_informer@zloy.im /Psi+>
(0:05:15) cos: http://prntscr.com/e98vpq
(0:05:27) cos: I left DED, here it is in the mail
(0:05:46) Cboloch: I received it, he will give it to me now
(0:06:00) Cboloch: cos: good
(0:06:26) cos: but they can still cancel it, right?
(0:07:41) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: I entered the processing http://prntscr.com/e98xd5
(0:07:45) Topsy Kretts: without changing anything)))
(0:07:47) Topsy Kretts: it went. Holy shit
(0:08:00) Cboloch: cos: they can. congratulations.. here is your accepted order: http://prntscr.com/e98xfl
(0:08:38) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: good.
(0:09:32) cos: so, I bought some crap quickly, they have a day now, so that the grandfather doesn’t get caught not sitting around
(0:09:50) Topsy Kretts: cos: did you use our swear words?
(0:09:55) Cboloch: I’m telling you “about Poland”. what’s the cheating here ?
(0:09:55) cos: yes
(0:09:59) Topsy Kretts: received the cards. sent to bars
(0:10:33) cos: <Topsy Kretts> what kind of screenshot do you have? from which shop
(0:10:54) Cboloch: cos: saboskirt - I wrote above how to beat
(0:10:56) Topsy Kretts: cos: dresses
(0:11:30) cos: so what should we do now? then squeeze this SS
(0:11:43) Topsy Kretts: Discover gave us
(0:11:44) cos: or wait until they send the pack from Teespring?
(0:12:10) Cboloch: cos: to saboskirt - beat now
(0:12:15) Cboloch: long charge there
(0:12:26) Cboloch: the track should be given in 24 hours
(0:12:43) Topsy Kretts: the track is on email, right?
(0:13:26) Cboloch: you'll see it in the shop first, it'll appear in your email in 24 hours, depending on how you see it on the website
(0:13:33) Cboloch: I'll get back to Poland.
(0:14:40) Cboloch: what happens in a case like this - if the order goes through the tracking, the parcel starts moving to Poland, in Poland the post office checks and sees that there is no such address, then by the index it sees that it is RU, and sees (as in one of the options) RU on the street and forwards it to an address in RU
(0:15:50) Vovchi: so they don't lose parcels, they arrive normally?
(0:15:54) bars228: and this is not the case in USA?)
(0:17:11) Cboloch: Vovchi: a parcel can be lost anywhere... but for me - everything arrived for me. Relatively "normal" - as I said at the beginning, I was given someone else's parcel in January...
(0:17:16) Cboloch: at our post office
(0:17:31) Cboloch: bars228: I didn't understand the question
(0:17:36) Vovchi: I see) Cboloch
(0:18:24) bars228: Cboloch: you send to the USA, and they forward to the Ukraine
(0:18:36) bars228: although I doubt it, what I said is nonsense xd
(0:19:00) Cboloch: bars228: )) I've never seen or heard of anything like that)))
(0:20:32) Topsy Kretts: are we testing new cards in Tis first now?
(0:20:38) Topsy Kretts: or Skype
(0:22:03) Cboloch: enter in sabotskirt
(0:22:23) bars228: fuck I can't find a tunnel for myself, I always come across some kind of cheap states)
(0:22:47) Cboloch: bars228: in sabotskirt I don't care about the state. any USA IP
(0:22:58) Cboloch: I just hit a random tunnel from a virtual machine
(0:23:12) bars228: that's it, I already found a clean one
(0:23:20) bars228: well I kind of want to make it perfect
(0:23:27) Topsy Kretts: especially my own tunnels ))
(0:23:31) Topsy Kretts: it's a sin not to use
(0:23:37) bars228: really)
(0:26:03) Cboloch: bars228: are tunnels brutal?
(0:26:17) bars228: yes
(0:26:34) bars228: what other types are there?
(0:27:20) cos: a tunnel is definitely in sabo or like in tivprng I don't care about the IP
(0:27:21) cos: ??
(0:28:24) Cboloch: cos: any US IP
(0:29:32) Sam_Fisher: Topsy Kretts: Surprisingly, it worked

https://imgur.com/ORqeFD9

(0:30:03) Cboloch: Sam_Fisher: where is this?
(0:30:11) Sam_Fisher: Teaspring
(0:30:34) Cboloch: <bars228> what other ones are there? - there are "non-brut" ones... I can't find the topic on the board right now....
(0:31:12) bars228: Cboloch: (0:19:08) jorgo@xjabber.pro : Excellent)
(0:19:10) jorgo@xjabber.pro : do they last long?
(0:19:14) jorgo@xjabber.pro : I just used it before
(0:19:16) jorgo@xjabber.pro : flyssh
(0:19:19) jorgo@xjabber.pro : if you know one
(0:19:22 ) jorgo@xjabber.pro : they don't work now (
(0:19:25) jorgo@xjabber.pro : they're always there)
(0:31:26) Cboloch: bars228: I used a separate machine for brute tunneling...
(0:31:40) bars228: a guy just wrote about some site where you could "make tunnels"
(0:32:09) Cboloch: bars228: no) the ones I "meant"... they worked and work... and the tunnels there are 10 bucks apiece....
(0:32:32) Cboloch: my tunnel has been alive for 4 months already... I definitely made 8 grand from ONE tunnel
(0:33:00) bars228: not in one shop?
(0:33:01) Cboloch: but it doesn't matter.....
(0:33:12) Cboloch: bars228: no, of course
(0:33:30) Cboloch: from the tunnel and VM I beat the processing in all sorts of shit, check the card
(0:34:11) bars228: and not the processing from what?)
(0:34:18) Cboloch: from the dedicators
(0:34:24) Cboloch: zip in zip under the card
(0:34:40) Cboloch: there is a problem with the dedicators... there are no good dedicators on the market
(0:34:44) bars228: it's hard to find
(0:34:44) Cboloch: total shit
(0:35:54) bars228: I have a friend who brute-forces dedicators, maybe he will learn someday and I will start too
(0:36:02) Cboloch: bars228: (Y) (Y)
(0:36:05) bars228: but you need expensive software there and a server for it
(0:36:13) Cboloch: yeah.. I know
(0:36:30) Cboloch: and it's better to have the server in someone else's rack) xD)
(0:37:15) Topsy Kretts: new map, in the dresses http://prntscr.com/e999nj something's wrong again. Discover Card
(0:37:31) Topsy Kretts: saboskirt
(0:39:54) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: try Skype
(0:39:56) Topsy Kretts: I went to Skype http://prntscr.com/e99av2
(0:40:05) Topsy Kretts: yeah, Skype is real, EASY, EASY straight away)
(0:40:13) Topsy Kretts: 1 minute to make Skype))
(0:40:16) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: yes
(0:40:23) Topsy Kretts: a different error than the first time on dresses.
(0:40:32) Topsy Kretts: should I try to repeat the operation?
(0:40:32) bars228: the money appeared in Skype right away?
( 0:40:36) Topsy Kretts: I'll take a look now
(0:40:39) Cboloch: You need to check the card so you don't kill it with the checker
(0:40:43) Topsy Kretts: Let me dial the number))))
(0:40:53) bars228: I think you have processing there
(0:40:56) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: did you log into Skype?
(0:41:14) Topsy Kretts: yeah, 25 on my account
(0:41:16) Topsy Kretts: just entered
(0:41:23) bars228: then good)
(0:41:34) bars228: now I'm going to rape mine
(0:41:39) bars228: discoverer
(0:41:47) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: then go on shopping
(0:42:00) Cboloch: tomorrow I'll throw you some shops in a closed group
(0:42:04) Topsy Kretts: cool)
(0:42:09) Topsy Kretts: and I'm in tis for now? or something else
(0:42:12) Topsy Kretts: you can
(0:42:33) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: you can, and you should
(0:42:36) bars228: also in yew
(0:42:45) bars228: I wonder how to enter this crap
(0:42:47) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: and in what? I don't know any shops
(0:43:53) Topsy Kretts: I forgot my name or the holder's name in the dresses at checkout((
(0:43:56) Topsy Kretts: maybe that's why there's a mistake
(0:44:10) Cboloch: mine is EVERYWHERE in the sabotskirt
(0:44:18) Topsy Kretts: I see. I did mine. mistake
(0:44:32) Topsy Kretts: Skype which state should I choose for the number?) Cboloch
(0:44:37) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: once again. everywhere - YOUR name
(0:44:39) Cboloch: everywhere
(0:44:48) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: yeah, leave it for now
(0:44:52) Cboloch: Skype
(0:46:42) bars228: okay, I'll take care of the full-length shirts for now
(0:47:24) Topsy Kretts: sorry
(0:47:28) Topsy Kretts: I'll try Poland
(0:47:40) Cboloch: you can send through an intermediary. There will be a separate lecture about intermediaries
(0:48:50) bars228: how much should I make in total in tise?
(0:49:05) bars228: so as not to be greedy)
(0:49:28) Cboloch: make it up to 100 for now
(0:49:55) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: besides Poland, there is another option to replace the country
(0:49:59) Topsy Kretts: ??
(0:50:08) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: Germany
(0:50:36) Cboloch: via Germany the cost of delivery to ru is the same as directly to ru, in some ways it's even better than Poland
(0:52:52) Cboloch: xD)
(0:55:44) bars228: ska I want it too)
(0:55:52) bars228: http://prntscr.com/e99h4e - no need to create an account here?
(0:56:22) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: you're sorry, you have exceeded the number of allowed credit-card payment attempts! Please checkout with PayPal or contact us for assistance.
(0:56:23) Cboloch: bars228: no, just click on the left
(0:56:28) Cboloch: and there will be an order
(0:56:31) Cboloch: enter the order
(0:56:37) Cboloch: copy the order link
(0:56:48) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: I was driving another processing into the dresses after 2 refusals on another card. did I kill the processing?
(0:56:57) Cboloch: you can also check its progress using this link
(0:57:23) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: no, I don't think so
(0:57:41) Cboloch: but what you did (I suppose) was a bit stupid
(0:58:07) Cboloch: drive into one freshly registered account, which received one order, other (!) cards into the same account. (0:58:21) bars228
: Thanks for your purchase! An email confirmation has been sent to you. Your order is being shipped to: bla-bla-bla
(0:58:28) bars228: click here?
(0:58:42) bars228: it doesn't click at all)
(0:58:46) Topsy Kretts: no, on the contrary, the order for the newly issued card did not enter. then I entered it into Skype. then I entered it here again, refusal. and then entered the processing
(0:59:14) Cboloch: bars228: http://prntscr.com/e99iku
(0:59:20) Cboloch: approximately in this place
(0:59:33) Topsy Kretts: the only thing missing today is the yew. now I'll go there to do
Discover WAITING FOR ORDERS
1) https://saboskirt.com gregmaser@clerk.com / rtq + Processing 1
2) Skype 25 EU edwardrhardy@hotmail.com + Discovery
3) zamplebox edwardrhardy@hotmail.com + Discovery
(0:59:53) Topsy Kretts: 3 entries so far )
(1:00:24) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: just be sure to say not "waiting for orders", but "waiting for confirmations" (for orders)
(1:00:45) Topsy Kretts: ok))
(1:01:12) bars228: Cboloch: there's nothing there. oh well, they didn't throw in any cancellations right away and that's ok)
(1:01:15) Cboloch: bars228: figured it out?
(1:02:00) Cboloch: if you stay on the Thanks For You page"... then in the place where I showed there will be a link to the order
(1:03:49) bars228: http://prnt.sc/e99k92 damn it's not there
(1:05:00) Sam_Fisher: https://teespring.com/track/order/номер_заказа
(1:06:48) Topsy Kretts: by the way, are the sizes there like in RU?!)
(1:06:57) Topsy Kretts: and I take 2XL for myself. I'm lying, I buy in 2XL
(1:06:57) Cboloch: I'll tell you a little story ))))
(1:08:22) Cboloch: when I had my first purchase... I took the largest size... well, and when "this and that"... in short, the guys saw "my" size... everyone was shocked))) ... but I didn't take it myself)) xD) I just needed to try my hand.. how is it... in general))) and everyone thought that it was my BIG-size) xD)
(1:08:55) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: yes.. what I sent to myself, everything went as normal before L)
(1:09:21) Topsy Kretts: ))))
(1:11:11) Cboloch: don't forget to write to tipU in his topic.... just don't make anything up. write everything as is. everything honestly.
(1:12:11) Cboloch: copy and post a lecture.
(1:12:21) Cboloch: do you have any pressing questions for me?
(1:14:13) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: where else can I insert the card besides tisa and dress and skype?)
(1:15:10) bars228: I'll try to card the laptop now anyway
(1:15:34) bars228: I'll finally torture this shop someday
(1:16:06) Cboloch: I understand your zeal) but don't rush. ))) you still have a lot of information ahead
(1:17:35) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: you can kill the card now, and all orders will be rejected
(1:17:49) Topsy Kretts: good.
(1:17:50) Sam_Fisher: I've seen this more than once
(1:18:07) Cboloch: the third time - don't be greedy
(1:18:11) Sam_Fisher: When you start to get impudent - all orders start to be rejected
(1:18:25) Cboloch: Sam_Fisher: + . right
(1:18:26) Topsy Kretts: I just did it for practice))
(1:18:28) bars228: Cboloch: can I have 2?
(1:18:43) bars228: I do it too, for practice)
(1:18:59) bars228: I haven't entered Discovery into it yet
(1:19:09) Cboloch: bars228: basically, without being cheeky with the amounts, you can try(~) to drive it into a couple of different shops
(1:19:36) Cboloch: I'm currently fighting with the middleman...
(1:19:57) Cboloch: http://prntscr.com/e99qb1
(1:19:57) bars228: what's wrong with it? does it ask for documents?
(1:20:04) Cboloch: worse)
(1:20:27) bars228: strange
(1:20:33) bars228: "because of suspicion"
(1:20:46) bars228: did the charge come or something
(1:20:52) bars228: only one pack on it?
(1:21:02) Cboloch: no. the shop claimed the parcel from the middleman
(1:21:19) bars228: why the hell send it then))
(1:21:28) bars228: to take it back
(1:21:32) Cboloch: no.. that's the point.. not one.. but one from one shop "in demand"
(1:21:35) Cboloch: in demand*
(1:22:31) bars228: in that case, will rendering help?
(1:22:58) Cboloch: yeah, there was shit there... about 500.... the bad thing is that the whole parcel, and there were several packs in it... and the amount is well over 500... and because of one shitty thing - the whole stuff of the middleman is in doubt..
(1:23:09) Cboloch: in short, I'm unsubscribing for now... but I don't have much hope
(1:23:28) bars228: don't give up)
(1:23:41) Cboloch: bars228: in this case - no. I immediately told the middleman - the pack is not mine, go fuck yourself... the rest are mine. let's send them to me
(1:24:37) bars228: you can tell it's a carder right away
(1:24:55) Cboloch: bars228: :-D and I'm not refusing)
(1:25:00) bars228: I wish I'd offered them money)
(1:25:33) Cboloch: yes, on the other hand - take a shit... at least I know a rotten mediator

(18:44:14) hanau16: anatoly26: I bought it from Bars and everything worked as it should.
(18:45:55) hanau16: Hello everyone.
(18:46:28) topsy kretts: rusell: mat from 2 bucks there without a bill
(18:46:40) topsy kretts: rusell: but a dead 50/50
(18:46:49) topsy kretts: rusell: but I can change it in 10 minutes.
(18:54:10) rusell: does anyone have a normal service for receiving SMS online for registering emails, etc.?
(18:55:02) ictus: hello everyone, I plan to make my first VB today!
I think I'll ask what we've already covered, don't scold me too much)
so first I'll buy some swear words)
(18:55:21) hanau16: I'm also tired of this mail
(18:56:29) topsy kretts: rusell: I use three, all three are normal. sms-reg; sms-activate; simsms; BUT!! The normality of the service does not mean THAT YAHOO or SOMEONE ELSE is eating VIRTUAL NUMBERS)))
(18:57:02) ictus: Do you have to register your mail on yahoo or gmail?
(18:57:07) Vovchi: Hello everyone
(18:57:26) cos: gmail registered under kh, didn't ask for a phone number. asked only for a spare email, entered disposable tempmail
(18:57:51) ictus: I just don't know where to start
ok email from grandfather above to do right?
(18:58:13) cos: don't do it with ded
(18:59:10) cos: there's nothing to do with ted in tis, I went from ded to tis, there you choose, buy, and specify your delivery details
(18:59:51) cos: http://fotosav.ru/services/transliteration.aspx
(19:00:02) 112233: hi everyone
(19:00:07) cos: translates Russian words into Latin
(19:01:00) cos: hello sensei
(19:01:32) WHO:
Hi (19:01:36) topsy kretts: WHO: Hi
(19:01:58) WHO: 15 min
(19:02:00) WHO: let's get started
(19:02:36) ictus: guys, mail anyway, how to call names right?
(19:02:44) topsy kretts: for yew yes
(19:02:52) topsy kretts: i bought mails for 3 rubles
(19:02:55) topsy kretts: ready-made)) yahoo
(19:03:02) cos: sharpen for CH just in case
(19:03:12) WHO: you can go to mail.com for simple services and shops
(19:03:14) WHO: there is no sms
(19:03:23) bars228: hi everyone
(19:04:12) topsy kretts: yahoo mails for simple shops ready for 3.5 http://buyaccs.pro/?cat=4028
(19:04:42) cos: bars hi, do you know how to enter a tunnel into a browser without bitwise proxy servers???
(19:05:09) bars228: plinker + write in settings
(19:05:20) bars228: SOCKS from it
(19:05:21) bars228: 127.0.0.1:8081
(19:05:52) anatoly26: In ripndip when we write the name of CH - should we write our own?
(19:11:22) Cboloch: rip: ship - our own, beat - everything according to KH
(19:11:40) anatoly26: Thanks, I'll try now
(19:15:44) 112233: looked at satoshi's shop, impressive)
(19:16:14) ictus: who should I get the mat from now?
throw me a link
(19:16:46) anatoly26: Bill is also a kh? Or should I put the same as ship?
(19:17:25) Cboloch: anatoly26: [09:10:20] <Cboloch> rip: ship - yours, bil - everything according to KH
(19:20:28) WHO: Today we are starting a series of lectures
(19:20:36) WHO: The following topics
(19:20:42) WHO: E-Gifts
(19:20:49) WHO: Carding physical goods
(19:20:54) WHO: Working with drops
(19:20:59) WHO: Enroll
(19:21:38) 112233: excellent
(19:22:02) WHO: All the topics are interconnected with each other, so in fact, in order to start working normally, you need to listen to and understand each of their topics
(19:22:40) WHO: For example, to work with physical goods or enroll, you need to understand how to work with drops
(19:23:51) WHO: Let's probably talk about entering physical goods today, and about gifts next time
(19:24:19) WHO: We get the following picture
(19:24:51) WHO: Normal shops, especially with liquidity, do not work on delivering goods to Russia
(19:25:17) WHO: Of course, there are a few exceptions, but they need to be found
(19:25:42) WHO: Therefore, the solution here is to work with drop services
(19:26:14) WHO: Details about drop services, separately, for now, let's say we have a drop in the USA
(19:26:33) WHO: And we need to make delivery through it
(19:26:49) WHO: As we know, there are two addresses
(19:26:55) WHO: Billing and shipping
(19:27:04) WHO: Billing is the cardholder's address
(19:27:15) WHO: Shipping - delivery address
(19:27:29) WHO: We need to send a pack to our drop
(19:27:41) WHO: And here the first difficulties arise
(19:28:02) WHO: Let me introduce you to the address verification system - the ABC system
(19:28:05) WHO: AVS
(19:28:19) WHO: Address verification system
(19:28:27) WHO: Address verification system, in our opinion
(19:28:42) WHO: About 70-80% of shops in the USA have this system
(19:28:48) WHO: Some say even more
(19:29:10) WHO: The principle of operation is simple - checking the address we entered
(19:29:17) WHO: but there are some moments
(19:29:28) WHO: Only the billing address is checked
(19:29:49) WHO: And the billing address is checked only numbers
(19:29:53) WHO: I'll show you an example now
(19:32:12) WHO: 5514177013676865/07/17/453/54 Tiffany Lane/26041/Moundsville/US/Gregory/S/WV/Gregory S/1764964/STAR PROCESSING, INC./US/MASTERCARD/STANDARD
(19:32:17) WHO: let's say here's the CC
(19:32:49) WHO: Let's take everything that relates to the address
(19:32:55) WHO: 54 Tiffany Lane/26041/Moundsville/US/Gregory/WV
(19:33:07) WHO: 54
(19:33:09) WHO: 26041
(19:33:28) WHO: This data will be checked by the ABC system
(19:34:51) WHO: Where we enter our card is called a merchant
(19:34:52) WHO: merch
(19:35:01) WHO: this is a gasket between the shop and the bank
(19:35:22) WHO: The ABC system is attached to the merch
(19:35:27) WHO: and the merch to the shop
(19:36:02) WHO: So it turns out that the merch with ABC checks the address that is stored in the bank file of our CC
(19:36:21) WHO: At the same time, it checks us for fraud and passes the transaction through itself
(19:37:15) WHO: If the address is incorrect, then when you click the payment button, it will give us an error about it
(19:38:16) WHO: Or skips the payment, and the verification result goes to the manager, who then reports the error by email
(19:38:50) WHO: Let me immediately draw your attention to the fact that ABC does not verify the name with the CC
(19:39:15) WHO: Also, the ABC system can be configured differently
(19:39:33) WHO: for example, verify all the numbers in the address or only the zip
(19:41:07) WHO: Our task is entered into the shop in such a way that the AVS system would say that everything is ok, the address is correct and the goods can be sent
(19:41:12) WHO: There are several options
(19:41:23) WHO: By entering different billing and shipping addresses
(19:41:53) WHO: That is, we indicate the billing address - the address with CC
(19:42:07) WHO: And in the shipping address of the drop
(19:42:34) WHO: ABC checks the billing address, everything is ok, in the shipping system anyway
(19:43:03) WHO: The name is indicated the same in both the bill and the shipping (of our drop)
(19:43:20) WHO: The merchant passes the transaction
(19:43:55) WHO: But the shop itself can reject it
(19:44:07) WHO: because they don’t really like to send to different addresses
(19:44:16) WHO: but the method itself works
(19:44:58) WHO: The second method is to enter the same billing and shipping
(19:45:14) WHO: That is, we take a regular USA CC and hit the address we need
(19:46:06) WHO: But here the AVS system gets in the way again, because we can't take the Alabama CC and hit the California address right away, because each CC is tied to a specific address that is stored in the bank file that the merch is linked to
(19:46:22) WHO: If we just take it and hit it, then we'll be told about an error in the address
(19:46:51) WHO: So we need to find a shop where the ABC is set up to only check the address by zip
(19:46:59) WHO: What I already talked about, about different settings
(19:47:34) WHO: if such a shop exists, then we take the CC with the zip for the delivery address and hit it
(19:48:54) WHO: To find such shops, we need to probe each one
(19:49:05) WHO: We take several CC
(19:49:24) WHO: and enter them into the desired shop on the left address, but on the zip as in CC
(19:49:40) WHO: if sent, then verification by zip only
(19:49:56) WHO: if it says an error in the address, then everything is verified
(19:50:15) WHO: When testing, it is better to enter not small amounts
(19:50:26) WHO: so that one CC can check more shops
(19:51:08) WHO: found your shop - milk it while it gives, you can upload for several K
(19:52:17) WHO: when you probe the shop, we hit zip with CC, and the address is fake, but the address is not random, it must exist, the neighboring street and house, Google maps will help
(19:54:52) WHO: The shop can also additionally check the address by calling the bank
(19:55:10) WHO: or having a subscription to the BG service
(19:55:18) WHO: background
(19:55:27) WHO: what does full information about CH mean
(19:56:39) WHO: The third option for entering
(19:56:53) WHO: This is entering Euro cardboard
(19:57:11) WHO: We are now talking about entering in the USA, separately for other continents
(19:57:33) WHO: the AVS system in USA cannot check the address of EU cards
(19:58:03) WHO: when entering such swear words, two possible outcomes await you
(19:58:43) WHO: 1) You will receive a letter that they cannot check the address, in which case they usually ask for documents confirming the address
(19:59:05) WHO: we draw it through risoval (it is on the forums) and send it to the shop
(19:59:33) WHO: 2) They will say that they do not accept cards issued outside the USA, and ask to pay with a stick
(19:59:59) WHO: And one more option is enrollment
(20:00:19) WHO: Enrollment is online access to CC
(20:00:36) WHO: Where can I change the CH address to the drop address
(20:00:43) WHO: But that's another story
(20:01:07) WHO: Setting up the system
(20:01:14) WHO: Billing is not equal to shipping
(20:01:24) WHO: or billing is equal to shipping
(20:01:41) WHO: it doesn't matter
(20:01:44) WHO: we take the IP for the delivery address
(20:01:56) WHO: time zone for the delivery state
(20:02:17) WHO: if the shop asks why shipping is different from billing
(20:02:41) WHO: you can say that I'm temporarily living with my mom, dad, sister, there are renovations at home
(20:02:47) WHO: or something like that
(20:03:26) WHO: No matter which method you use, always indicate the name of the delivery
(20:03:37) WHO: Register the mail under the name of the delivery
(20:04:05) WHO: We chose a shop, you can go to it using the link from Google
(20:06:16) WHO: When we enter different billing and shipping, it is better to take a CC with the same zip or city as the drop
(20:06:44) WHO: the shop is less suspicious than if we take a CC from a state that is far from the delivery location
(20:07:40) WHO: Total
(20:07:46) WHO: Question
(20:07:52) WHO: What options do we have?
(20:08:21) cos: we found a shop that sends via zip, for example, where can we get a drop?
(20:09:22) chachak1: WHO: 3 options
(20:09:40) WHO: chachak1: essentially 4
(20:10:02) WHO: cos: reread the beginning of the lecture
(20:10:37) chachak1: 1 is when only the address by CC passes the check
(20:10:41) WHO: cos: where did you say that we hammer everything into your head in order
(20:11:02) WHO: you need to answer like this:
(20:11:24) Cboloch: (cos: there will be a separate lecture for drops)
(20:11:54) WHO:
1. Billing is not equal to shipping
2. Billing is equal to shipping (checking by zip)
3. Entering Euro cards
4. Enrollment
(20:12:06) WHO: Questions
(20:12:28) Sadam: and the name with delivery is it a drop (or your own) or is it the name of KH?
(20:12:36) WHO: drop
(20:12:44) WHO: who are you delivering to
(20:13:04) WHO: Cboloch: do you want to add?
(20:13:26) Cboloch: no, in my opinion it's all the same
(20:13:40) Cboloch: ask questions about what you've covered
(20:13:41) ictus: warm up the shops as always for 20-30 minutes or?
(20:13:53) WHO: No need to heat it
(20:14:03) WHO: depending on your mood
(20:14:03) 112233: now I understand why not a single shop sent the goods after the credits were approved :-D
(20:14:07) WHO: I personally don't believe it
(20:14:48) hanau16: how many shops do you go to per day on average and how many are in the plus
(20:14:49) Sadam: should I use heat?
(20:15:05) ictus: how do weekends and weekdays affect the carding? when is it better to do it? or is it impossible to guess here?
(20:15:18) ictus: well yeah, to warm up is to walk around the shop looking at different things
(20:16:13) WHO: they do, the best time to enter is Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday in the evening Moscow time
(20:16:22) WHO: hanau16: me?
(20:16:46) ictus: that makes me happy
(20:16:47) hanau16: Yes
(20:17:50) WHO: hanau16: I've already outgrown these topics with goods, this is just one of the stages of development
(20:17:50) hanau16: Well, or an average worker?
(20:18:16) 112233: I found a shop that sends by zip, he won't have any questions if one drop is indicated with 10 cards?
(20:18:37) WHO: 112233: so what prevents you from using different drops?
(20:19:10) cos: that is, the one that checks by zip can be sent to Russian drops, right?
(20:19:22) 112233: we don't know how to look for them yet. I asked the question incorrectly. I meant about the forwarding service
(20:20:14) cos: damn, it's a mess in my head))
(20:20:18) WHO: cos: each shop has a column on its website where it indicates where it sends, you need to proceed from this
(20:20:42) WHO: 112233: for one forwarding - questions may arise over time
(20:21:02) WHO: reread and understand after the lecture and tomorrow - it will be clear
(20:21:11) WHO: you can draw diagrams on A4)
(20:22:29) cos: a shop that sends to RU and only checks by zip so that it can be sent to drops in RU is probably a pain in the ass to look for
(20:23:14) WHO: well if a shop sends to RU, then logically there are no problems with the address
(20:23:18) WHO: since it sends
(20:23:27) WHO: like saboskit
(20:25:27) 112233: http://dropmefiles.com/jOjGq here is a diagram of all the stages of work
(20:25:33) 112233: only the quality is not very good
(20:27:46) cos: <WHO> 1. Billing is not the same as shipping - this is an option with drops and intermediaries, right?
(20:27:59) WHO: yes
(20:28:18) WHO: all the same options with drops and middlemen
(20:28:46) cos: well, everything with usa drops
(20:29:01) WHO: yes
(20:29:29) hanau16: Does it happen to be scammed?
(20:30:01) ictus: there's no other way, you need a normal drop service, with a reputation if their drop screws you they can reimburse you
(20:30:33) 112233: I have a drop service provider in New York, I'll have to test him
(20:31:47) topsy kretts: what's the easiest way to start searching for such a shop, well, how to find weaker shops? Where to start searching for a shop? for tests with these points
(20:32:45) cos: well, it looks like it sends to ru, then buying junk to a left address
(20:32:59) cos: then trying to send to ru for a drop)
(20:33:31) topsy kretts: I think those sending to ru are not needed, because there are few of them for these options. am I wrong?
(20:33:37) 112233: probably no one sends liquid to ru
(20:34:16) cos: well yeah, you probably can't buy liquid without intermediaries
(20:34:29) Cboloch: topsy kretts: there will be a separate lecture on finding shops
(20:37:40) topsy kretts: [18:24:39] <WHO> Normal shops, especially with liquid, don't work on delivering goods to ru
[18:25:05] <WHO> Of course there are a few exceptions, but they need to be found
[18:25:31] <WHO> So the solution here is to work with drop services
(20:43:42) Cboloch: so.. write a review to this infomer guy!
(20:44:42) hanau16: Cboloch: I haven't hammered in his cardboard yet.
(20:45:03) Cboloch: hanau16: well, time has passed....
(20:45:41) hanau16: and what about the holidays on weekends?
(20:46:04) ictus: you can just share your experience here, so that the time doesn't go to waste
(20:46:17) Cboloch: it's better not to hit during non-working hours, there's a higher chance of getting charged
(20:46:43) Vovchi: hanau16 eat hot dogs, they have no time.... ))
(20:47:05) topsy kretts: it turns out RU-Carder needs to hit at night in the Russian Federation)
(20:47:23) Cboloch: 10.47 California time
(20:47:55) Cboloch: now...
(20:48:04) Cboloch: 12.46 - Nebraska
(20:48:25) Cboloch: now...
(20:48:56) Cboloch: would a normal person really place an order for 2k at 4 am? )
(20:49:32) Cboloch: don't forget to post the lecture
(21:00:40) ictus: another normal time for typing is when an American is having lunch, they often shop on the net at this time, so at CH it should be 12-14.00 local time
(21:09:05) cos: who typed in sabo?
(21:09:28) cos: should I specify zip with CC or ru
(21:10:16) bars228: bil=your ship
(21:11:00) cos: ok
(21:21:36) ictus: sabo? what kind of shop do you throw
me, I'm planning on ripndip, but I haven't bought the mat yet)))
(21:22:43) topsy kretts: saboskirt
(21:22:45) topsy kretts: dresses
(21:23:19) ictus: is it still the same delivery to ru to yourself?
(21:24:37) topsy kretts: I think to Poland, I forgot something
(21:24:46) topsy kretts: because ru paypal is climbing into the payment
(21:25:19) ictus: I get it, then tisprint is better, at least they will have a t-shirt and socks)
(21:28:42) anatoly26: Cboloch: Regarding ripndip, do you need to change the billing there?
(21:29:17) anatoly26: Cboloch: leave same as shipping or choose use a different?
(21:32:38) anatoly26: topsy kretts: regarding ripndip, should I leave same as shipping or choose use a different?
(21:33:11) topsy kretts: anatoly26: I haven't tried it! I heard that billing is from KH, it's my own! Either in the correspondence in this or on the forum in the February group
(21:33:23) topsy kretts: _SOMEHOW_
(21:33:34) topsy kretts: I'm not sure.
(21:34:09) Cboloch: came up
(21:34:34) Cboloch: anatoly26: hit = by KH, ship - yours
(21:34:55) Cboloch: seim ace shipping - leave by ship,
(21:35:14) Cboloch: us difference - use different (different)
(21:36:35) topsy kretts: Cboloch: does he send it once?)
(21:36:38) topsy kretts: once.
(21:36:53) topsy kretts: Cboloch: you can try 3-4 cards there in turn, from one IP, if you deckline?
(21:37:05) Cboloch: topsy kretts: yes, to one address - once, then the address is blocked (when a charge is caught on it)
(21:37:54) topsy kretts: ?
(21:38:20) topsy kretts: and from the same system
(21:42:04) Cboloch: what from the same system?
(21:42:13) topsy kretts: Cboloch: can you try 3-4 cards there in turn, from one IP, if you deckline?
(21:42:23) Cboloch: you can
(21:42:43) Cboloch: you can there
(21:42:53) Cboloch: but this is an exception to the general rule
(21:43:02) topsy kretts: is it also possible in tis and sabo?
(21:43:07) Cboloch: yes
(21:43:09) topsy kretts: good. if there is no money or the card is not valid, then the message is the same?
(21:43:25) Cboloch: I didn't pay attention
(21:44:08) topsy kretts: I'll try to charge 500 from my credit card
(21:44:25) topsy kretts: what do you say?)
(21:44:35) Cboloch: topsy kretts: scuba gear
(21:44:13) topsy kretts: I'll try to charge 500 from my credit card
(21:44:30) topsy kretts: What do you say?)
(21:44:39) Cboloch: topsy kretts: scuba gear
(22:00:42) Cboloch: Why didn't anyone post the log?
(22:01:49) bars228:
Cboloch: I'll do it now
(22:01:58) Cboloch: bars228: (Y)
(22:08:34) topsy kretts: Cboloch: Does this exception apply to all of this merch, that you can charge in a row and from one system?
(22:08:55) Cboloch: topsy kretts: no, this concerns the fraud system of a specific shop
(22:09:12) topsy kretts: Cboloch: ok\\
(22:14:43) topsy kretts: Cboloch: GEROGE COOPER/166 BERKSHIRE
AVE/SOUTHWICK/01077/Massachusetts/United States/Discover
(22:14:57) topsy kretts: Cboloch: 166 berkshire ave
(22:15:11) topsy kretts: just write it in the address, AVE; not avenue?
(22:15:19) Cboloch: yes
(22:15:38) Cboloch: you were explained today how it works when there is avs
(22:16:06) topsy kretts: fff
(22:16:08) Cboloch: at least write 166 berkshire hui
(22:16:09) topsy kretts: damn right
(22:18:34) topsy kretts: damn this transaction has been declined
(22:18:45) topsy kretts: But not about the card. and about the transaction
(22:18:58) ictus: you're in a hurry, I'll try to warm up the shop a little
(22:20:00) topsy kretts: I sat at checkout for 10 minutes and chose T-shirts for 10 minutes (
(22:20:30) topsy kretts: rndip, my ship, beat kh
(22:22:29) Cboloch: topsy kretts: there's no point in "sitting" at checkout. you need to beat. Wait 1 minute (like I got the card) - and beat
(22:22:44) topsy kretts: got it
(19:03:54) WHO: we'll start in 10 minutes
(19:04:16) Anakisuto: I'll step away for 15 minutes
but I'll save the logs
(19:09:54) cos: I want money)
(19:10:01) cos: hi everyone
(19:11:08) bars228: I want a Lamborghini)
(19:12:11) bars228: And my own island
(19:12:25) Vovchi: with internet)? bars228
(19:12:38) bars228: Of course
(19:13:00) Vovchi: are you going to work there or what7
(19:13:02) Vovchi: ?
(19:13:32) rusell: you need to work!
(19:13:41) bars228: Live, work, rest)
(19:13:56) hanau16: bars228: A hundred pounds to grow ganja.
(19:14:11) bars228: Nah, I'm done
(19:14:21) Vovchi: hanau16: so there will be int., will order through the site))
(19:15:13) hanau16: Vovchi: Not his own is tastier
(19:15:43) Vovchi: I'll take your word for it) hanau16
(19:18:07) WHO: Today we have a lecture on gifts
(19:18:18) WHO: Any questions about what we've covered?
(19:18:34) hanau16: no. as I see
(19:18:43) ictus: yes but then the question, everything is clear, purely technical? yes
(19:18:56) cos: gifts gifts gifts
(19:19:03) cos: fast money
(19:19:11) hanau16: YES YES YES
(19:19:54) bars228: I once dreamed that I entered a gift for 50k
(19:21:18) WHO: First, we read a lecture
(19:21:25) WHO: then we analyze the questions
(19:21:41) WHO: Gift cards are probably the best thing to start with in the card. Doesn't require much brain activity.
(19:21:54) WHO: There are two types of gift cards, physical and electronic
(19:22:17) WHO: I think you've all seen physical gift cards in real life, a card the size of a credit card, with a unique code under the protective layer
(19:22:32) WHO: E-gift is a gift in electronic form, sent by mail as a letter
(19:22:42) WHO: What does an e-gift look like:
- Sender's name
- Recipient's name
- Amount
- Message from the sender
- Gift code and sometimes + PIN code
(19:23:05) WHO: In shops, a physical gift is designated as a physical gift card
(19:23:28) WHO: Electronic - E-Gift \ E-Gift Card \ Gift Voucher (Gift Voucher can also be physical)
(19:25:13) WHO: Let's look at the example of the shop http://jeanmachine.com/
(19:25:21) WHO: Let's go
(19:26:12) WHO: http://prntscr.com/eb7124
(19:26:41) WHO: Click
(19:26:49) WHO: We see available denominations
(19:28:06) WHO: from $25 to $200, and only electronic, no physical ones
(19:28:53) WHO: Click on any
(19:29:51) WHO: We understand that this is an e-gift because of the word e-cash
(19:30:52) WHO: In the description of the gift we see the phrase - Gift cards will be e-mailed instantly and can be used immediately
(19:31:31) WHO: We are told that the gift will be sent to the e-mail, but not just like that, but instantly (immediately, i.e. instant sending).
(19:32:40) WHO: The gift is sent to your email, and then you can give it to anyone yourself.
(19:34:07) WHO: Instant gift - you type it in and it's in your email right away. These gifts are the tastiest. But in practice, it happens that it's written as instant, but in fact the order is processed manually, this may be because the shop has already been screwed, or they simply removed instant sending of the gift.
(19:34:59) WHO: Another example
(19:35:01) WHO: https://www.kiehls.com
(19:35:23) WHO: http://prntscr.com/eb75yx
(19:36:21) WHO: If you can't find the gift card visually, type in Gift\Card\Gift Card\Voucher into the search engine on the site
(19:36:56) WHO: Fields to fill in - http://prntscr.com/eb76pe
(19:37:04) WHO: Everything is clear here, what is what?
(19:37:23) topsy kretts: yes. your name, and who you are giving it to. name and email
(19:37:25) WHO: Names, Email of the sender, recipient, message
(19:37:27) WHO: it's simple
(19:37:37) WHO: Well, and the denomination at the bottom
(19:37:59) ictus: yes? are there sites where you can stock up as a guest, is it better to register or does being a guest also work?
(19:38:47) WHO: Extra actions are never extra, especially if the shop is new
(19:39:41) hanau16: How can I tell if the shop is new or old?
(19:40:05) WHO: New for you
(19:40:10) WHO: So you didn't enter anything into it
(19:40:12) ictus: they usually write the date of foundation at the bottom
(19:40:36) hanau16: Ok
(19:40:42) bars228: There are sites where you can look up info about the shop
(19:40:54) WHO: That's not what I'm talking about
(19:41:05) WHO: The first part of the lecture is over. Any other questions? (
19:41:18) topsy kretts: How to enter them)
(19:41:22) topsy kretts: is this the second part?*
(19:41:37) hanau16: Do gifts get cancelled quickly ?
(19:41:57) bars228: How to enter liquid gifts? Tuna and similar)
(19:42:12) cos: what kind of tuna
(19:42:12) topsy kretts: Use the gifted gift on the same day?
(19:42:19) hanau16: Is there any non-liquidity in gifts ?
(19:42:19) WHO: Guys
(19:42:24) WHO: did I say entering?
(19:42:28) WHO: no
(19:42:33) WHO: well, holy shit (19:43:10
) WHO: Okay, let's move on
(19:43:38) WHO: Now let's talk about the gift design itself
(19:44:20) WHO: 1) What emails should I use?
Any, AOL, Gmail, Yahoo, Mail.com.
One email should be under the name of the person giving the gift, the second email under the name to which the gift is being sent.
(19:45:09) WHO: 2) What name should I indicate in the sender field?
Any, you can use the name under which you already have an email from old entries.
You can register under a name with CC
(19:45:57) WHO: 3) What name should I indicate in the recipient field?
Here we indicate the name to which we will send
For example, the name to which the intermediary account is registered
Or the name of the drop to which you will sell the gift
(19:46:21) WHO: 3) What to write in the message?
Here we write wishes\congratulations
(19:46:51) WHO: This is the standard filling of the gift
(19:48:23) WHO: Now about non-standard options
(19:48:50) WHO: Mail
(19:50:11) WHO: Ideally, the sender's mail should be on one domain (for example, gmail), and the recipient's on another (aol.com), but this is not necessary of course, it will just be a plus. It's
just that if you register both mails, for example, on mail.com, this is a complete bummer and a figment, since mail.com is actually not used by many Americans, most often yahoo\gmail\aol
If both emails are on AOL or Gmail, that's still okay, but if both emails are on Mail.com, then points are added to the fraud. And if the manager checks everything meticulously while checking the order, he may suspect something is wrong. If you specify emails on the same domain, it doesn't mean that the shop will send the order to hell, it's just a plus to karma.
(19:52:00) WHO: Name.
- The first option. We specify any name convenient for you, and specify the same last name as the one we are sending the gift to.
For example, we send the James Hill gift, which means the sender will be Sharee Hill.
That is, we are pretending to be relatives. This often goes over great.
You can also put a Slavic name for the sender, ours also live in USA
(19:53:26) WHO: - The second option, almost no one uses it. We started using it recently, when I was writing an article about gifts.
In the Sender field, put two names, for example James & Sharee.
I use this option all the time, for example, I send a gift in a shop with expensive clothes as a wedding/anniversary gift
. This way, I unloaded a shop that no longer wanted to send gifts, I'm a nerd.
We moved away from filling in the standard way.
(19:56:03) WHO: -The third option. You can specify the Hill family.
It turns out that the gift is from the entire Hillof family, a normal option for entering for the New Year, write a New Year's greeting and enter.
(19:57:05) WHO: And immediately about the Recipient field. It is similar to the Sender.
You can specify two recipients, you can specify "last name family"
(19:58:37) WHO: You can ask how to make a payment if the recipient specifies two names or a family.
Everything is simple, if there are two estates, then one is ours from the middle, and the second is left, we will make it in our name.
If a family is indicated, then everything is just as simple, the family’s last name coincides with the last name from Wednesday, the helmet is in our name
(19:59:05) WHO: As for the message, it’s better to write a full text
(20:01:34) WHO: http://qoo.by/L02
(20:01:40) WHO: Here are templates for examples
(20:02:56) WHO: Depending on the staff/shop, you can write different messages to the Gift .
(20:03:27) topsy kretts: follow the Viber newsletter link
(20:04:21) topsy kretts: ah! You need to click "go to the site"
(20:04:37) WHO: Hold it like this
(20:04:38) WHO: http://www.babla.ru/фрАЗЫ/личный/с-наил
%D1%83%D1%87%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0%BC%D0%B8/%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA
%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9/ (
20:04:42) WHO: I just shortened it
(20:04:47) WHO: one link all
(20:05:22) 112233: there is a button, go to the site. top left
(20:05:32) topsy kretts: https://goo.gl/0ZnPgC
(20:05:38) topsy kretts: here's a good link
(20:06:13) WHO: http://www.lingvistov.ru/blog/spoken-english/greetings-in-english/
(20:06:32) WHO: Let's continue
(20:06:36) WHO: <WHO> Depending on the staff\shop, you can write different messages to the gift.
(20:07:37) WHO: For example, I make sports equipment, in the message I write something like, "friend, get well, heal your injuries, and get back in shape
." That is, everything looks natural, the person is recovering from injuries, we are sending him a gift for support.
Or, for example, we write that congratulations on your academic achievements, and we kiss at the end of the message "Your father"
(20:08:32) WHO: I get the idea
(20:08:45) WHO: Now about entering the gift
(20:10:11) WHO: - any CC card type, preferably a credit one
- Tunnel\sock\dedic for CC
(20:10:50) WHO: That is, everything as we can
(20:11:33) WHO: How can you enter it more "meticulously"
(20:12:14) bars228: Call after entering
(20:12:28) WHO: Let's say we have an intermediary in the state of NY, we take a suitable CC for the same state.
And it turns out that the sender of the gift and the recipient are in the same state.
This is an ideal option, especially when they are pretending to be relatives.
You can take not just under the state, but directly under the zip middleman, then it turns out that the sender is in the same city as the recipient.
(20:13:02) WHO: By selecting the CC for the state\city of the gift recipient, we reduce fraud points.
(20:13:53) WHO: There are shops that are already pretty tired of carders, and they carefully check everything in the order.
(20:14:44) WHO: Merchandising the gift
(20:16:10) WHO: Everything is simple here. IP under the middleman\drop.
We throw the goods into the basket, and if the basket has a coupon\gift code or card field, we shove our gift there.
If there is no column, then this means it will appear at the last stage of gift registration, where to indicate the CC.
When entering the gift, the CC input field disappears.
(20:16:41) WHO: and that's it, the gift has been delivered
(20:17:32) WHO: In what cases is a call usually made
(20:17:43) WHO: - if the shop writes to the email and has questions
(20:18:07) WHO: - if the gift does not arrive in the email, and there is no movement from the shop
(20:18:30) WHO: If you have the desire and funds, you can call right after the order is placed
(20:18:48) WHO: make sure that the order is placed correctly and warm up the shop a little
(20:19:10) Vovchi: won't our accent add any minuses to us?
(20:19:46) WHO: Are there call services for this
(20:20:05) cos: who, and when you buy a gift for sale in a scoop service, what recipient's name should you indicate?
(20:20:38) Cboloch: Vovchi: "accent" (if you speak normally) - unlikely... and in writing, Americans are not very literate (in general)
(20:21:20) WHO: cos: Any
(20:21:21) WHO: https://privnote.com/pweOYZzb#OCLq6AgeA
(20:21:26) WHO: Article for phone when entering
(20:21:32) WHO: Save yourselves
(20:23:25) cos: we don't have a gift buying service on our board?
(20:25:01) WHO: Write it in Google
(20:25:06) WHO: there are many services
(20:25:13) WHO: and we have some
(20:25:33) cos: there are only Kromakof there who doesn't need anything anymore
(20:25:50) WHO: not only
(20:26:14) hanau16: WHY IS IT EASIER TO RETAIL A GIFT THAN TO SELL IT?
(20:27:30) WHO: Looking at what kind of stuff, what kind of gift, not all gifts can be given to the miser
(20:28:45) hanau16: WHO: CLEAR
(20:29:18) topsy kretts: and if the gift is 200 and the goods are 220, how do we sell the goods?
(20:29:21) topsy kretts: or don't we do that?
(20:30:25) WHO: Looking for a product in your gift range
(20:30:41) WHO: Right
(20:30:54) WHO: Next lectures on finding shops and working with drops
(20:31:16) WHO: And we'll talk a little more about anonymity
(20:31:28) Anakisuto: I'll throw the log in the chat
(20:31:36) WHO: Then we can start working based on all the lectures and knowledge
(20:32:02) WHO: We know how to beat
(20:32:11) WHO: Options - physical goods, gifts
(20:32:18) WHO: Now we need to pay for shops
(20:32:32) WHO: And where to send, sell, etc.
(20:32:36) WHO: that's the plan
(20:33:23) topsy kretts: shops, data, as an example, let's try to beat?
(20:33:23) WHO: Any question?
(20:33:52) WHO: Try it
(20:33:53) cos: who tell me a little about Amazon gifts
(20:34:18) 112233: and gifts for games and the like
(20:34:31) topsy kretts: do you need to redeem the GIFT on the day you receive it?
(20:34:35) 112233: so that they can be sold in BTC later
(20:34:36) topsy kretts: so that they don't get cancelled
(20:35:49) WHO: You can get goods 5-6 hours after receiving the gift
(20:36:04) WHO: goods*
(20:36:14) WHO: Games will be charged separately
(20:36:50) WHO: Amazon etc., everything is difficult there now and those who know the schemes, they are very expensive, it is better not to look in that direction yet, it is too early.
(20:37:46) WHO: It is better to hit on Mon-Tue-Wed
(20:37:50) WHO: evening Moscow time.
(20:38:25) WHO: Write down all your movements
(20:38:51) WHO: Bins, bank, engine etc.
(20:39:16) WHO: You can find out the shop merchant through - https://builtwith.com/
(20:39:51) Sadam: is dvidok a merchant?
(20:39:58) Sadam: engine
(20:42:21) WHO: No
(20:42:33) topsy kretts: I opened sabo https://builtwith.com/saboskirt.com , Who has merch here, based on this site
(20:42:43) topsy kretts: :-S
(20:43:51) topsy kretts:http://prntscr.com/eb87ke it's kind of sparse here. not that at all
(20:43:54) topsy kretts: or am I mistaken
(20:44:25) WHO: The engine is what the site is built on
(20:44:32) WHO: and the merch is what accepts payment
(20:45:17) Sadam: got it, thanks
(20:46:56) WHO: topsy kretts: Ecommerce look there
(20:49:55) topsy kretts: you can find ecommerce shops here The same
(20:49:59) topsy kretts: looks like
(20:50:04) WHO: A video for this
(20:50:44) WHO: Find shops with the same merch
(20:54:08) WHO: Okay, then we'll meet on Wednesday
(20:54:22) topsy kretts: okay
(20:54:50) Cboloch: please save and post log

(18:54:26) Sadam: hi
(18:55:00) Vovchi: how are you, a student, have you already done VBG))?
(18:55:28) Sadam: you're telling me*?
(18:55:33) Vovchi: Sadam: yes)
(18:56:25) Sadam: there was an attempt, but it was unsuccessful
(18:56:29) Sadam: the CC was dead
(18:56:41) Vovchi: did you try once?
(18:56:42) Sadam: and how are you doing?
(18:56:59) Vovchi: Sadam: so far only one unsuccessful one in Skype
(18:57:53) Sadam: I hit one CC in Skype and in several shops, then Anakisuto checked her and said that she was dead
(18:58:20) Sadam: and what didn’t work for you in Skype?
(18:58:53) Vovchi: Sadam: I don’t know, some kind of nonsense popped up at the very end, I understood that the card is not good
(18:59:21) Sadam: and Skype asked me for a code from SMS
(19:00:04) Vovchi: Sadam: me too)). So a kind person helped. I went back and set up for me to receive SMS by mail.
(19:00:26) cos: hi everyone. I finally got the status of the ship from the yew
(19:00:34) Sadam: Who is a kind person?)
(19:00:38) cos: It hasn't even been half a year))
(19:00:55) Vovchi: Sadam: Our teacher is Tauris )
(19:01:17) Vovchi: cos: So are they T-shirts or what?
(19:01:27) Vovchi: cos: Or a fashionable dress, a mini))?
(19:01:52) cos: Yes, all sorts of crap sweaters, T-shirts
(19:02:04) Vovchi: cos: did you get your size)? (
19:02:15) cos: well
(19:02:44) Vovchi: cos: not just anymore.... just, you'll be hanging around in new clothes))
(19:03:19) cos: not my style of clothing, I'll only wear it to a barbecue and around the house))
(19:03:43) bars228: Hi everyone)
(19:03:43) Vovchi: cos: that's good, you won't kill yours at a barbecue))
(19:04:07) cos: okay, the sweater won't feed me
(19:04:23) bars228: I'd like to find a car, right?
(19:04:31) Vovchi: cos: I don't think so)
(19:04:33) cos: we're waiting for a guide on drop services drops in the middle
(19:04:46) Vovchi: bars228: 2, white and black)
(19:17:56) cos: we're on our own today)))
(19:21:40) Topsy Kretts (no VBV): Greetings
( 19:34:54) Topsy Kretts: chachak1: do you do a little carding?)

(19:35:01) Bot438: thank you and join in the congratulations)
(19:36:02) chachak1: Topsy Kretts: Yeah, I'm totally new to this. I'm totally shocked by the possibilities!
(19:36:58) Topsy Kretts: chachak1: yeah, especially for a lady, even entry-level dress shops are awesome)
(19:37:42) chachak1: Yeah! I'm still looking for my sizes and styles.
(19:37:52) WHO: Hello everyone
(19:37:55) WHO: We'll start soon
(19:37:56) Topsy Kretts: WHO: Hello boss
(19:38:09) Topsy Kretts: chachak1: write to topsykretts@exploit.im
(19:40:57) Topsy Kretts: Guys, if you have any initial questions, write to topsykretts@exploit.im (19:41:12
) Topsy Kretts: like settings or errors or misunderstandings
(19:41:17) Topsy Kretts: errors)*
(19:41:33) hanau16: Hello everyone.
(19:41:39) Bot438: I wrote once, but you never replied)
(19:41:44) Vovchi: Topsy Kretts: are you here part-time already)? (
19:42:15) Topsy Kretts: Vovchi: no))
(19:42:37) Topsy Kretts: Bot438: well maybe I missed it, although it's weird, well write if anything
(19:42:49) Bot438: thanks, I'll get back to you.
(19:43:34) Vovchi: Bot438: yeah, I bother him from time to time too))
(19:44:27) hanau16: why are you kidding, the guy really knows his stuff and doesn't refuse
(19:45:13) Vovchi: hanau16: if I didn't know his stuff, I wouldn't have asked him how and what. Yeah, he caught the wave, I don't argue.
(19:45:54) Topsy Kretts: no one's kidding here. but I don't pretend to be knowledgeable)) I ask everything myself from Tauris and Svoloch and the Curator)
(19:46:14) Topsy Kretts: just about the settings for emails, I got it about simple things..
(19:46:55) Bot438: yeah, we're not joking, I'm grateful. sbol reminded me of the 2 main rules: not in rashka and drag your own, we're doing the same thing)
(19:47:09) Vovchi: Topsy Kretts: yeah, yeah, thanks for the email, I didn't forget....
(19:49:52) WHO: What, were there any questions, I think?
(19:50:43) hanau16: We're having trouble with emails. It's hard to register
(19:51:13) WHO: What problems?
(19:51:39) hanau16: Requires phone +7 doesn't work
(19:52:39) hanau16: Registered once, logged in and after that it still won't let me into the same account
(19:52:39) WHO: http://simsms.org/ doesn't help?
(19:53:06) hanau16: WHO: I'll try today
(19:53:06) bars228: I register from the main system, open a private window in the browser (opera, chrome) and go
(19:53:38) bars228: Gmail doesn't accept American IP numbers
(19:55:38) hanau16: I screwed up two Skype accounts because of email
(19:57:00) WHO: Speaking of emails
(19:57:40) WHO: You can use corporate email services
(19:57:58) WHO: such mail gives more trust
(19:58:04) WHO: than usual
(19:58:05) WHO: fraud.cat
(19:58:06) WHO: service
(19:59:19) WHO: and also CORPM.PW
(19:59:21) Topsy Kretts: can you choose carded there??
(19:59:31) WHO: I quote
(19:59:36) WHO: for better understanding
(19:59:42) WHO: What are corporate emails for?

What opinion do you form about a person/organization when you receive an email from an email address like "gromov@xcorporate. ru"? I perceive the sender as a very serious and responsible person, since they wrote to me from a corporate email, which is not as easy to register as an email at mail or gmail. What will you say if you click on the domain name (in our case xcorporate.ru) and see a working site? Loyalty and trust increase many times over.

Email data increases loyalty and trust of the support of the shops where we "buy" the goods we are interested in.

(20:04:18) ictus: because the American type sits from work, from his work email and orders for himself
(20:04:25) WHO: like yeah
(20:04:43) WHO: Okay
(20:04:47) WHO: not long today
(20:04:56) WHO: let's talk about working in Europe
(20:05:02) WHO: about drops in the next lesson
(20:05:10) WHO: And then we can slowly start working
(20:05:43) WHO: First of all, remember what the ABC system is?
(20:05:46) WHO: avs
(20:06:10) Topsy Kretts: address verification system, checks numbers by zip and by address
(20:06:20) Topsy Kretts: does not check NAME
(20:06:58) cos: merch request to the bank checks data
(20:07:07) WHO: Yes
(20:07:11) WHO: so here
(20:07:16) WHO: it is not in Europe
(20:07:21) WHO: except for England
(20:07:36) WHO: avs no, we hit any address basically
(20:07:56) WHO: standard tunnel, grandfather under the country where we send
(20:08:09) WHO: you can hammer straight into RU for a drop, if the shop sends to us
(20:08:31) WHO: The only problem is the presence 3D secure protection in almost all shops
(20:08:48) WHO: in other words, merch with VBV
(20:09:40) hanau16: Should I only look for cardboard with VBV?
(20:09:47) bars228: And most EU cards are also with VBV
(20:10:47) WHO: if you entered EU in merch with VBV, it usually asks for dob\zip, card number
(20:11:05) WHO: that's the minimum, sometimes they ask for all sorts of crap
(20:11:44) WHO: if you entered CC that doesn't support VBV, it will ask you to enter CH data, which could be - SSN, dob, zip, bank account number, etc.
(20:12:06) Topsy Kretts: are you talking about CC USA?
(20:12:13) cos: eu
(20:12:22) Topsy Kretts: a.ok
(20:12:34) WHO: i'm about usa ss
(20:12:57) WHO: everyone's hammering them there
(20:13:41) WHO: there are non vbv bins, if you enter such a CC in a shop with vbv, when paying it will redirect you to the vbv verification page, it will process for a couple of seconds and return to the shop and thank you for the purchase
(20:14:16) WHO: but, as a rule, non vbv bins work up to a certain amount
(20:14:54) WHO: for example, when I worked with UK, I had bins that gave up to 350 pounds
(20:15:12) WHO: if you enter more than 350, it asked for CH data
(20:15:39) WHO: and so most non vbv bins, it's just that the threshold for the amount is different for everyone
(20:16:18) WHO: your curator
(20:16:26) WHO: I think we can agree
(20:17:24) WHO: If the EU shop sends to RU, we take non vbv bin and shoot from ru tunnel or grandfather to drop in ru
(20:17:32) WHO: the name of the drop is always
(20:18:05) WHO: American Express is also non vbv
(20:18:24) WHO: it's just that not all EU merch eats Amex
(20:19:42) WHO: and there are some that accept it, but after you enter it they can write that you pay with a card with 3D secure
(20:20:45) WHO: If you use Eurocardboard, which is more expensive than USA, then it is better to take cards from leading European countries
(20:21:26) WHO: In fact, EU merch does not see anything more than digital data of the card, sometimes the country where it was issued
(20:21:37) WHO: No ABC - does not see the card
(20:21:43) WHO: does not see the name
(20:21:47) WHO: phone too
(20:22:01) WHO: by the way, they don't call EU shops, they communicate via email
(20:24:25) WHO: If we found a shop without VBV, for example
(20:24:58) WHO: Then here we can enter bill not equal to ship
(20:27:00) WHO: maybe there is no separate billing, then we just write our delivery address
(20:28:00) cos: and if billing is separate, then we need IP US?
(20:28:06) WHO: no
(20:28:16) WHO: may request rendering
(20:28:18) WHO: we draw
(20:28:38) WHO: Shops with vbv
(20:28:46) WHO: As I already said - bins
(20:29:02) WHO: Then material with available vbv, which is difficult and expensive to get
(20:29:23) WHO: and pay pal, lectures on which you will have separately
(20:31:15) WHO: Questions?
(20:31:24) Sadam: I don't understand what separate billing is
(20:31:38) WHO: billing
(20:31:41) WHO: shipping
(20:31:47) WHO: two addresses to fill in
(20:31:52) WHO: address from card in billing
(20:31:53) cos: as if bill is not equal to ship
(20:32:04) WHO: delivery address in shipping
(20:32:04) cos: enter from ru channel
(20:32:08) WHO: bill is not equal to ship
(20:32:18) Topsy Kretts: [12:24:05] <WHO> If we found a shop without vbv, let's say
[12:24:37] <WHO> Then here we can enter bill is not equal to ship

For what purpose, I don't understand. If you can hit bill = ship = middle. Why is hit bill not equal to ship?
(20:32:35) Sam_Fisher: WHO: you said that amex doesn't have vbv, but when I entered their mat into eu shop, it asked for dob with ssn as confirmation
(20:32:55) hanau16: Why is eu cardboard more expensive?
(20:33:19) WHO: cos: tunnel under ru simple and that's it
(20:33:47) hanau16: Is working with eu more difficult than usa?
(20:34:34) hanau16: Can usa cardboard be blocked?
(20:36:16) WHO: Topsy Kretts: because we'll need to specify the card's country in billing
(20:36:27) WHO: Topsy Kretts: in the address, it's the only thing that matters
(20:37:04) Topsy Kretts: WHO: because there's no ABC and it doesn't see it.
(20:37:09) Topsy Kretts: damn. confused(
(20:37:56) WHO: Topsy Kretts: merch can see the country of issue of the card
(20:38:13) WHO: Sam_Fisher: amex does not have an additional security code, you mixed something up
(20:38:31) WHO: hanau16: harder to get
(20:38:55) WHO: hanau16: nothing complicated, let's start with this, if we understand everything, of course
(20:39:01) WHO: more questions
(20:40:28) WHO: Sam_Fisher: ah, so ssn and dob asked, this is not a security code
(20:40:39) WHO: Sam_Fisher: by the way, this data can be easily punched
(20:40:50) bars228: regarding ru IP - doesn't the bank see where the transaction was made from? looks suspicious
(20:41:18) ictus: gifts on EU cardboard also up to a certain amount?
(20:41:29) Sam_Fisher: WHO: I mean that newbies should not hope that they will just take Amex and enter it into EU shop. So that they would immediately prepare to break through SSN with Dob
(20:41:34) WHO: Sam_Fisher: http://promarket.ws/threads/probiv-ssn-dob-credit-score-i-dr-usa-only.756/
(20:43:10) WHO: bars228: so what, you can just place an order from another country, there is delivery there
(20:45:39) bars228: will there be a lecture on finding shops soon?
(20:46:05) bars228: I would like to test new methods
(20:46:25) WHO: soon
(20:47:33) hanau16: How are things with grandfathers and tunnels when working in the EU?
(20:47:35) WHO: It is better not to make gifts across Europe
(20:48:30) WHO: You can beat EU mat in USU for gifts
(20:48:35) WHO: and send goods to intermediaries
(20:49:00) Topsy Kretts: total: We find an EU shop that sends to RU, we find BINs no VBV, We enter bill = ship = intermediary = profit?
(20:49:12) ictus: well that's what I meant, beat EU mat in US for gifts, probably just asked the question wrong
(20:49:49) WHO: Topsy Kretts: but why the middleman, straight to RU for the drop
(20:51:06) Topsy Kretts: WHO: does Eurocardboard have any advantages over US when entering into EU Shop?
(20:54:03) cos: <WHO> is it true that people card cars in EU?
(20:54:25) WHO: Topsy Kretts: if the shop doesn't send to ru, you can hit the middlemen Europe to Europe
(20:55:10) ictus: yes, but the countries should be different!
(20:55:19) Topsy Kretts: WHO: what are the options for buying in the EU shop, if the goods cost roughly more than 350 dollars (I understand that this figure is approximate)
(20:55:25) ictus: for example, German cardboard but slash in France
(20:56:01) WHO: Topsy Kretts: I don't get it
(20:56:12) WHO: cos: do cars hiss?
(20:56:25) Topsy Kretts: WHO: maybe I didn't get it right that NON VBV bins have limits on 1 transaction, on average up to 350 bucks
(20:56:48) WHO: Topsy Kretts: it's different for everyone, I gave my own example
(20:57:27) Topsy Kretts: WHO: if the bin is NON VBV, it doesn't matter if the shop has VBV or not, right? and based on the lecture almost all shops have VBV. BUT the NON VBV card will work.
(20:57:52) bars228: They card cars in EU, I've heard of that))
(20:58:08) bars228: There are some kind of scams with the banks there
(20:58:40) Vovchi: and they send it to the drop by car carrier))?
(20:58:59) cos: there in EU too
(20:59:34) bars228: Probably they issue documents for the drop and pay from a bank account in the real store.
(20:59:39) bars228: Something like that
(21:00:22) cos: nonsense in short, I would buy normal things here for a start)))
(21:01:23) WHO: Topsy Kretts: you can also drop vbv knowing ssn and dob, I think the curator will add it next time
(21:01:46) hanau16: bars228: This is most likely some kind of scheme BUT they will close it down quickly.
(21:03:02) WHO: Who didn't understand, reread the lecture and write down the questions for next time
(21:07:02) WHO: save the lecture please
(21:07:27) Topsy Kretts: Bars, your logs are cool to read! Please make them) bars228
(21:10:55) Vovchi: Yes, you can highlight the links. Go for it, buddy))
(21:12:59) bars228: Ok, I'll do it)

(12:16:20) WHO: So
(12:16:31) WHO: Let me give you some info on finding shops
(12:16:35) WHO: There's not much to say here
(12:17:45) WHO: Making queries in Google - https://privnote.com/uUh5GLBs#ci4pZOiuu
(12:21:53) WHO: When choosing a shop, pay attention to the following points:
(12:22:33) WHO: 1. Look at how expensive the design looks, if you poured money into the design, then the security system is also most likely not the simplest
(12:23:31) WHO: 2. Look at the multilingualism, i.e. number of languages available on the site
(12:23:38) WHO: I think the idea is clear
(12:26:43) WHO: In essence, it is necessary to compose competent queries and monitor "by eye"
(12:27:07) WHO: Let's say you've found a shop, don't forget to search it in Google
(12:27:27) WHO: query "shop name + carding"
(12:28:19) WHO: Often there you can read about methods of entering into a shop and just draw a conclusion about how much it can be screwed up
(12:29:34) WHO: You can turn to all sorts of ratings
(12:29:39) WHO: Like - https://www.cy-pr.com/
(12:30:03) WHO: There we look at Alexa Rank
(12:31:04) WHO: Of course, you can also use all sorts of parsers
(12:31:23) WHO: Butterfly
(12:31:29) WHO: Netpeak Checker
(12:32:09) Topsy Kretts: is butterfly relevant? I tried it last week. Didn't start. Collects URLs like code.google.com / and not shops
(12:33:06) WHO: I haven't used it for a long time, I need to take a look, it's basically a nerd
(12:33:32) hanau16: What will these site analyzes give us?
(12:35:24) WHO: The analysis will give an idea of the positions in search engines, various ratings
(12:35:28) anatoly26: look at pr and alexa rank hanau16
(12:35:48) WHO: The more "visible" the shop is, the more difficult it is to break through
(12:36:35) hanau16: Is the one in the outer rows ours?
(12:37:42) WHO: Yes
(12:41:34) WHO: This is useful regarding gifts
(12:42:43) WHO: Search by merchant - https://privnote.com/x9iuUKjR#SrJA6142g
(12:43:08) WHO: Search for shops with the same merchant -

(12:44:34) Anakisuto: I've used fly just recently, it works well
but there are better parsers
(12:44:38) WHO: Search from the IP of the country whose shop you want to find
(12:45:07) WHO: it's not like you can search for shops from the USA through google.ru
(12:46:00) hanau16: Free VPN is enough
(12:46:12) hanau16: ?
(12:47:57) WHO: yes
(12:48:10) WHO: dedicated servers, everyone has tunnels
(12:48:16) WHO: you can search from them
(12:48:44) hanau16: Ok
(12:48:54) cos: will you tell us about the drops today?
(12:49:01) WHO: No
(12:49:04) WHO: Let's do it like this
(12:49:20) WHO: You can look for shops on the weekend, order some for yourself
(12:49:32) WHO: We'll look at drops on Monday
(12:50:39) WHO: Afterwards, we'll hold a contest for who can enter any product on scoop faster
(12:50:44) WHO: We'll think of a prize)
(12:51:16) cos: on scoop or on Wednesday
(12:51:27) Cboloch: is everyone allowed to participate? B-)
(12:51:30) WHO: anyway
(12:51:50) Topsy Kretts: just not T-shirts ))))
(12:51:51) Topsy Kretts: in tise))
(12:51:52) cos: are there any drop services that buy up right away?
(12:51:55) WHO: Cboloch: leave the opportunity for others)
(12:52:00) Anakisuto: Don't leave yet, whoever wants to I want
to add something else about the analysis and search for shops
(12:52:06) WHO: cos: yes
(12:52:22) Topsy Kretts: Anakisuto: we're really looking forward to it ))
(12:52:40) hanau16: Anakisuto: Maybe you can tell us about brute force?
(12:53:00) Anakisuto: it would be better to have a separate lesson, it would take quite a lot of time
(12:53:07) Anakisuto: why create a mess in your head
(12:53:13) Vovchi: +
(12:53:16) Anakisuto: it would be better to sort out the shops sensibly
(12:53:27) hanau16: Ok
(12:53:47) Anakisuto: vovchi, write me a PM after the lecture regarding our question with you
(12:54:57) Vovchi: Anakisuto: ok
(12:55:20) anatoly26: Does anyone have https://builtwith.com/ premium?
(12:56:40) Anakisuto: type it in)
the anti-fraud is so-so there
but it often lets you down with merch,
it shows currency instead of merch
(12:57:04) Topsy Kretts: Anakisuto: I also couldn't get merch from some sites from it
(12:58:41) Anakisuto: okay,
let's not start a bazaar for now, I provoked everyone to chatter again (
ask Tauris questions about the lecture
and then we'll get back to the bazaar and additional material
(13:00:26) bars228: It's better to look for euro shops, right?
(13:02:05) hanau16: If I start playing with the translator in the shop, maybe it sees merch?
(13:02:21) Vovchi: I thought about that too
(13:02:41) hanau16: Will it affect the result?
(13:02:44) bars228: And from them to hit the drop/middleman? It turns out that there is no way to check the AVS and you can shamanize with the address? Here VBV enters the fight, but that's a completely different story)
(13:02:59) rusell: question: what is the optimal time to enter US cardboard into European shops?
(13:03:06) WHO: hanau16: no, the merch doesn't see it
(13:03:46) Cboloch: hanau16: but the shop does see it
(13:03:59) WHO: bars228: from them, from whom?
(13:04:11) bars228: from Euro shops
(13:04:14) WHO: rusell: better during the daytime in the country of the shop
(13:04:34) WHO: no, we search on USA
(13:06:55) hanau16: What other search engines besides Yahoo would you recommend?
(13:07:32) hanau16: I'm not talking about Mozilla and Google
(13:07:45) WHO: The rest is not necessary
(13:09:21) WHO: Ok, let Anakisuto add what he wanted
(13:09:30) Anakisuto: you can try bing, it's inconvenient and shitty, but the data there is very different
(13:09:34) Anakisuto: thank you
(13:10:33) Anakisuto: first of all, I wanted to say
what's good about the parser
, it's good, of course, first of all, in quantity (but the quality is lame)
if you choose the right query, then at the output you will get a huge number of links to shops
(13:10:34) Anakisuto: but
(13:10:36) Anakisuto: what's important here
(13:10:39) Anakisuto: this is the right query
(13:10:54) Anakisuto: buy+iphone+usa+online doesn't work anymore
(13:11:02) Anakisuto: so you should come up with something yourself
(13:11:05) Anakisuto: I'll give you a little life hack
(13:11:20) Anakisuto: Google price lists, they indicate the manufacturer code, color and all sorts of similar details
(13:11:48) hanau16: I'm sorry, what is a parser? (
13:12:06) Anakisuto: by the full name of the product from the price list (along with the details (in price lists all this is written in the name (price lists in xml format)) ) you will be able to find the product you are looking for more clearly
(13:12:11) Anakisuto: and most importantly more individually
(13:12:19) Anakisuto: a parser is Butterfly, Selka and similar ones
(13:12:29) hanau16: Ok
(13:12:31) Anakisuto: this is a program that parses (sorts through) links in search engines based on your requests
(13:12:40) Anakisuto: and gives you the links you need
(13:13:08) Anakisuto: after that you upload them to netpeaker and here the most pleasant part begins, because it sorts the links for you by alexa rating and Pr
(13:13:28) Anakisuto: this way you can clearly see the information you are interested in on shops
(13:13:49) Topsy Kretts: what combination would you recommend for such an analysis? programs
(13:16:00) Anakisuto: butterfly (if you have enough nerves for it, a crooked and shitty program, but it gives good results) or Selka (we will still work with it when draining databases) + Netpeak Checker
(13:16:08) Anakisuto: Damn, it’s not XML above, but XLS
(13:16:34) Anakisuto: butterfly is very convenient in fact,
if you suffer with it a little, the results will be good
(13:16:54) Anakisuto: what I wanted to add about the site analysis
is the analysis on the eternal topic of “will the card fit here”
(13:17:09) Anakisuto: firstly, when analyzing the shop, you need to remember that you are not a fraudster, but a real buyer
(13:17:19) Anakisuto: you open a shop and you are interested in whether you can pay with your card here
(13:17:28) Anakisuto: with your hard-earned American dollars
(13:17:32) Anakisuto: *you
(13:18:26) Anakisuto: you are interested in three things:
1. availability of VBV
2. delivery
3. which countries are included
(13:18:58) Anakisuto: that is why you simply go to the payments tab, it is made for regular buyers, so all the information you need is provided there
(13:19:11) Anakisuto: if the site does not accept payment from a card of a particular country, then this will be indicated
(13:20:26) Anakisuto: next, what about VBV,
you place an order using any fake data, when entering card data, as a rule, there are icons verified by visa or mastercard secure code
(13:20:33) Anakisuto: it would seem that everything is obvious
(13:20:33) Anakisuto: but
(13:20:35) Anakisuto: there is a nuance
(13:20:36) Anakisuto: nuance
(13:21:28) Anakisuto: after we saw these icons, we realized that the merch is with vbv\mksk
(13:21:34) Anakisuto: but not all such merch accepts non-vbv cards
(13:21:42) Anakisuto: so we go back to the payments tab
(13:22:01) Anakisuto: and there it will either say that all cards must be equipped with 3d secure, or there will be no such data
(13:22:12) Anakisuto: if it says so, then reset the bins and go ahead
(13:22:16) Anakisuto: if it doesn't say so, then non-vbv and go ahead
(13:22:25) Anakisuto: actually, that's all I wanted to say
(13:23:05) Anakisuto: some shops also specify that they do not send to different billing-pinching addresses, but this is rare
(13:24:52) hanau16: Suggest a site where there is a lot of information about parser software.
(13:25:04) hanau16: Is it possible to install these programs on a regular computer with VPN OR do you need a dedicated tunnel?
(13:25:04) Topsy Kretts: and how to find bins with a vbv reset?
(13:25:09) Anakisuto: and what info do you need, let's start with this better
(13:25:12) Anakisuto: you can install it, yes
(13:25:17) Anakisuto: but it is better to load a proxy there
(13:25:29) bars228: Thank you for the lecture, it was interesting. I've long wanted to know how to search for shops. Now it remains to apply this knowledge in practice
(13:25:31) Anakisuto: there you simply indicate that the search is allowed only in English or only in USA Google
(13:25:33) Anakisuto: there are nuances
(13:25:39) Anakisuto: not nuances, but parameters, that is
(13:26:13) Anakisuto: about bins, you already wrote me your assumptions on how to search for them and I told you that everything is so
(13:27:04) hanau16: Some specialized site
(13:28:21) Anakisuto: bro, well I don’t know, actually a parser is a very simple program, so I don’t think there are any sites about them
, you write what specifically interests you in them and what is not clear, and I will explain everything
or write in PM
(13:29:09) hanau16: I I'll contact you in PM.
(13:33:07) Topsy Kretts: what did you mean when you said buy+usa+iphone - it doesn't work
(13:33:26) Topsy Kretts: it will also show shops for this request.
(13:33:35) Topsy Kretts: what do you mean by "it doesn't work"??
(13:33:54) Anakisuto: it will show requests
(13:33:59) Anakisuto: but the shops will already be fucked up to death
(13:35:09) Topsy Kretts: I understand
(13:36:03) hanau16: Is there a place where all the shops are registered when they start their activity?
(13:36:20) Anakisuto: netpeak checks the age of the site
(13:36:33) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: notepad?)
(13:36:43) Topsy Kretts: aaaah! I'm being stupid
(13:36:52) hanau16: Too bad
(13:37:02) Anakisuto: what's too bad, bro?
(13:37:08) Anakisuto: I'm telling you, Netpeak checks the age of the site
(13:37:23) Anakisuto: but this is not always an indicator
new sites are not made by idiots either, they can immediately install protection
(13:37:51) Anakisuto: and vice versa, I once ordered a lot of Lego directly from a site that has been around since 2001
(13:37:57) Anakisuto: some kind of family business in general
(13:38:04) Anakisuto: South American families
(13:38:09) Anakisuto: so age is not really an indicator
(13:38:21) hanau16: I see
(13:38:39) Anakisuto: just like design can be deceiving
someone's site is not super bright, but balanced at the same time, and someone's is very beautiful and convenient, but in fact, it was stupidly made from a free template
(13:39:23) Topsy Kretts: so what's the indicator then
(13:39:30) Topsy Kretts: PR/Alexa
(13:39:32) Topsy Kretts: and that's it?
(13:39:40) hanau16: In general, the more you hammer, the better the result
(13:39:51) cos: can I ask a question, I found Euroshop without the requirement of VBV.USA, Eurokarton is not
(13:40:10) cos: of the country whose shop it is
(13:40:19) cos: in the billing column
(13:40:27) cos: should I hammer out the data?
(13:40:38) cos: or you can drop it in ru
(13:40:47) cos: shop with delivery to ru
(13:41:15) Anakisuto: drop it in ru
if the shop is not UK and Karton is not UK
(13:41:32) Anakisuto: and if the site does not have manual payment processing
(13:41:34) Anakisuto: but through merch
(13:41:48) Anakisuto: if it is manual, then the site has your card details and they will immediately understand by the bin that you screwed them
(13:42:24) Anakisuto: besides, if it is manual, then they call the bank
(13:42:31) Anakisuto: in short, most likely you can specify the address in ru
(13:43:40) Anakisuto: but here it is better to hit from IP ru
if delivery is in ru
(13:43:44) Anakisuto: and if without vbv
(13:43:55) Anakisuto: but if with vbv, then they can block the card if the amount is large, and the IP is ru
(13:44:06) Anakisuto: because the window that pops up is vbvshnyy already from the bank, and not from the merch
(13:44:26) cos: can you check first?
(13:44:32) cos: enter the processing
(13:44:46) cos: and see with or without vbv
(13:44:47) Anakisuto: yes
(13:45:01) cos: or it will reject without even indicating that vbv is needed
(13:45:41) cos: although it doesn't seem like it should
(13:45:50) Anakisuto: well I'm telling you, as for vbv, most often the icons are when entering cards
(13:45:56) Anakisuto: but in general it's good to try with processing too, yes
(13:46:58) cos: can a cardboard box without a name, zip address and other info be entered somewhere?
(13:47:13) cos: number date color
(13:47:19) cos: and name
(13:47:51) Sadam: F]
(13:47:53) cos: tis sent me now
(13:48:16) Topsy Kretts: cos: and did you hear something like that in tis)
(13:48:18) Topsy Kretts: me
(13:48:21) Topsy Kretts: ok
(13:48:37) cos: either cc is dead, or it got screwed up because I entered zip.ru in the billingzip field
(13:49:33) cos: <Anakisuto> how do you shop? mostly through brokers? liquid?
(13:50:06) cos: or is there a maneuver for Europe to hammer Liquid into RU straight away
(13:51:26) Anakisuto: from EUR to RU directly, or from USA to an intermediary
(13:51:43) hanau16: cos: Please send me a link to tis and how much should I enter there?
(13:51:55) Anakisuto: but I ship things purely for myself, mostly, not for buying up
(13:52:32) hanau16: Have you worked with buyups?
(13:52:47) cos: <hanau16> Have you worked with buyups?
(13:52:52) cos: wrong question
(13:53:19) cos: <Anakisuto> and how do you make money? (
13:53:38) Anakisuto: I worked a lot with scoops, yes
(13:53:51) Anakisuto: I make money with brute force, but that's another story
(13:54:05) cos: brute force?
(13:54:38) Anakisuto: +
(13:54:42) Anakisuto: there will be a lecture about this
(13:54:48) cos: ok
(13:55:30) Sadam: YO
(13:56:08) Sadam: I'm cleaning my keyboard here))
(13:56:14) hanau16: Guys, please send me a link to a shop with t-shirts. Damn, I can't find it on my site
(13:56:25) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: teespring.com
(13:56:37) Topsy Kretts: for less anti-fraud and to get some practice, as an option, look for a Portable HDD ) ? or RAM for laptops for example
(13:56:40) hanau16: Topsy Kretts: Thanks
(13:56:56) Sadam: accidentally pressed
(13:57:01) Sadam: pressed
(13:57:15) Topsy Kretts: less cardable so to speak
(13:57:33) Anakisuto: well, they are fucking cardable, but it's worth looking for them, they send normally
(13:57:56) cos: <Anakisuto> can I ask another question
(13:57:59) cos: D+P
(13:58:00) Anakisuto: sure
(13:58:05) cos: what do we have on the board
(13:58:18) Anakisuto: give + pin?
(13:58:29) cos: rolling them through mcr and sending them to usu for cashing out
(13:58:36) cos: to the dropper
(13:58:44) cos: is this even real?
(13:59:22) hanau16: Topsy Kretts: What amount is best to deposit into tis
(13:59:39) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: try up to 200 for starters
(13:59:47) hanau16: Ok
(13:59:56) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: yesterday I deposited 500. only half paid, half cancelled
(14:00:04) cos: <hanau16> everything is cheap there, no need to pack a bag, and there are 200 bks
(14:01:01) hanau16: I just set up the machine today, now I'll try
(14:01:33) Topsy Kretts: hanau16: great
(14:01:47) Anakisuto: well, first of all, I haven't encountered this shop, but dump+pin is most likely used purely for advertising
(14:02:11) Anakisuto: secondly, real carding is incredibly dangerous and not as easy as it seems, I strongly advise you to talk to Evgeny about this issue
(14:02:31) Anakisuto: incredibly dangerous and not as easy for those who don't know much about this topic, I mean
(14:03:21) cos: I yesterday I read his question and answer, his training for 26k includes trips to EU and there with a skim or POS to get dumps
(14:03:37) hanau16: Purely out of curiosity, how much money is needed to get into real life?
(14:03:47) cos: 2k
(14:04:41) hanau16: I mean fully with equipment, mat software
(14:04:53) cos: yes yes
(14:05:16) hanau16: It won't be more
(14:05:32) cos: gear is like a hobby
(14:05:34) Anakisuto: this is all for Evgeniy. guys, I'm not doing this yet
for the material 1500-2k bucks for the start as such
(14:05:48) Anakisuto: well, it depends on how you do it
(14:05:54) cos: but real life is really dangerous
(14:06:17) hanau16: Life is a dangerous thing
(14:06:34) cos: clothes? well, I understand if you hammer liquid and send it to the scoop
(14:06:42) cos: then you can earn normal money
(14:07:34) Anakisuto: well, these are all the most primitive options
that you don’t need to think about
carding is an industry in itself, let’s say, in which analytical thinking is more important than any theory and other things
(14:07:54) Anakisuto: as someone once said, I don’t know who, just someone said
if you want to earn money in an unconventional way, you need to work in an unconventional way
(14:08:02) Anakisuto: and these are 100% true words
(14:09:32) cos: yes, yes, but to allow yourself to try to earn money in an unconventional way, you need to sit steadily
(14:09:48) cos: because it can fail in an unconventional way)))
(14:10:02) Anakisuto: well, that’s why carding shouldn’t be a hobby
(14:10:10) Anakisuto: it’s work first and foremost
(14:10:33) cos: what direction will you give us for fruitful work
(14:10:34) cos: ?
(14:11:01) cos: for example - guys, hit the EU, it's easier there
(14:11:26) Anakisuto: especially since the gear is just that branch of carding that gives an idea of carding in general,
this knowledge is applicable to everything
(14:11:43) cos: otherwise we'll get bored here, half of us, and forget about this whole thing after a couple of unsuccessful cardings)))
(14:12:34) Topsy Kretts: yeah, sometimes I'll tip you 1-2 bucks. to at least type something every day))
(14:12:45) cos: a lot of information and you can spend a lot of time not knowing what is relevant now
(14:14:15) hanau16: In my opinion, you need to dig up information and analyze
(14:14:56) Cboloch: cos: you are not the first))) and not the last)))))) in our work * the ass is also not the last part of the body that grows calluses)
(14:16:06) hanau16: In the distant past in Germany I bought a company horns and hooves, took out loans for all kinds of office equipment for a couple of hundred marks and ran away
(14:16:19) Anakisuto: 1. there should be no laziness, because this is not the kind of work where there is someone above you and he provides you with money in any case, this is work for yourself, so diligence is the main thing
2. well, hit the EU, it's easier there, yes, but in general, to understand what is easier, become a real buyer, you will definitely not hear more valuable advice than this
3. learn to analyze a site from A to Z
4. learn to draw conclusions
5. learn to catch trends in carding, they are very easy to notice
6. hanau16 is 100% right
7. beat the little things for the soul, but at the same time make money out of it, I gave an example at the beginning of the lecture and it was not sarcasm
8. experience in the clothing store will then give you experience in typing in services with money and methods for finding such services
9. be kind to people, people in the shadow sphere are the main thing, every person (except for scammers) is your team
10. help each other, I've helped people as many times as they helped me, even more, even morally
(14:17:06) Anakisuto: 11. capital in carding is important, even if it's small, you can quickly make 3k from 1k bucks, but you can make 3k from 10 bucks with the same success, but with more difficulty
(14:18:05) Anakisuto: 12. do small things, but aim for big and global projects
(14:21:01) cos: <Anakisuto> thanks bro)
(14:22:39) hanau16: Here's a kick in the ass in the right direction :-D
(14:26:37) Anakisuto:
I just wish that those who realized that carding is for them weren't afraid of difficulties and achieved their goal
(14:34:07) cos: now I quickly reread today's lecture
(14:34:38) cos: <Anakisuto> if it was entered manually or through merch, what does that mean?
(14:35:31) cos: is it like he transfers it to PayPal and asks to enter it there?
(14:35:40) cos: PayPal*
(14:36:20) Anakisuto: Manual entry is when there is no merch, but the site simply saves your data, and then allows the transfer through the bank itself, this is rare, but it happens
(14:36:36) Anakisuto: No, PayPal is also merch
(14:37:09) cos: Yes, yes, PayPal is merch
(14:37:41) cos: It was like that in Sabo that it transfers to it, you refuse and hit the shop
(14:44:18) Anakisuto: It also happens like in ASOS, there if the card is valid, the amount is frozen on it, and then within 24 hours they call the bank to check the billing
(14:45:10) Anakisuto: All this comes from experience,
there are already shops where you can’t understand anything without a number of fucked up entries

[19:52:01] <anatoly26> bars228: fucking can't search for shops
[19:53:45] <bars228> I can't do it either, I found a price list for laptops on the Dell website, I googled shops using these codes. I found a couple that looked normal, one had merch like in TIS)) But the rating was something like a million according to Alexa rank
[20:00:40] <anatoly26> I tried digging in the other direction, first I tried by related, but I didn't find a suitable product, and sometimes it shows nonsense in the request, then I went through the forums, tried to find something there by related. I also tried to analyze the merch, there are great ones where you don't even need to specify a phone number, but they don't send to ru. I read the comments - everyone says that it is not profitable to bring to ru. If it was electronics - that would be a different matter. And so cheap up to 500. Maybe it will be easier to spike with a stick, since many shops use it. YES and they also updated the protection system on Lightinthebox. Now even the beat somehow checks differently.
[20:03:25] <Topsy Kretts> alexa the lower the worse
[20:03:28] <Topsy Kretts> alexa 1 = google
[20:03:39] <Topsy Kretts> alex 1 000 000 = shady shop
[20:04:11] <bars228> I just typed it into one, there are masks for lucid dreams))
[20:04:18] <bars228> For $100
[20:08:04] <bars228> Bil=Ship - UA
[20:08:41] <bars228> I don't understand why shops let orders like this through? Do they have no AVS?
[20:09:15] <bars228> And I thought that all USA shops have such a check
[20:10:29] <anatoly26> Your name, number?
[20:12:33] <Topsy Kretts> yeah, like in tise
[20:12:35] <Topsy Kretts> no ABC
[20:12:48] <Topsy Kretts> apparently))
[20:13:25] <bars228> Yeah. There should be more of these
[20:20:28] <Topsy Kretts> great hitter
[20:20:30] <Topsy Kretts> ))))))))
[20:21:11] <hanau16> So quiet today :-D
[20:21:43] <hanau16> Don't even have anything to brag about?
[20:23:11] <hanau16> Ok then I'll start, I've lost two cards and three Skypes (really) and I'm not even complaining!
[20:23:19] <Vovchi> Hello everyone
[20:23:33] <anatoly26> The only sadness so far is the rotting corpses of cards
[20:24:02] <hanau16> Exactly
[20:24:43] <Topsy Kretts> Anatoly, where are you hitting?

[20:29:48] <Cboloch> I can't put my brain to shame today - I have high blood pressure and tachycardia
[20:30:01] <Topsy Kretts> good
[20:31:55] <anatoly26> Topsy Kretts: Wherever my eyes look and the mouse points :-D But seriously - 3 packages are flying so far, it's unclear whether they will arrive or not. I made Skype and it hasn't been blocked yet - that's already good. At least now I can call operators and ask them polite and not so polite questions
[20:32:08] <WHO> Hi everyone, we'll start soon
[20:32:24] <Topsy Kretts> anatoly26: great
[20:32:35] <Vovchi> Cboloch: yes, high. pressure is not good, yours is high
[20:32:36] <Topsy Kretts> and two of mine blocked Skype. stopped
[20:33:16] <Cboloch> Vovchi: ))) the further, the more) Kopaten is good pills for lowering pressure.
[20:33:17] <hanau16> Topsy Kretts: Well, in theory it's not needed at first
[20:33:41] <Cboloch> then insomnia sets in)))
[20:33:48] <Vovchi> Cboloch: I'm being stupid, I don't take pills
[20:33:59] <bars228> pills are evil)
[20:34:03] <anatoly26> Topsy Kretts: Make a clean IP for the card, get it from the store - enter it and forget about it until the 3 months are up
[20:34:16] <hanau16> Guys, you need to drink some weed, it really helps.
[20:34:26] <Cboloch> I also only use them under pressure (literally and figuratively).... I don't like all "this" business....
[20:34:41] <anatoly26> Cboloch: For several days now I've been falling asleep at 3-5 in the morning, and sometimes I still have to go to classes
[20:34:50] <Cboloch> ahahaha)
[20:35:18] <Cboloch> no, I only leave home to go to the post office and the store)......
[20:35:38] <Cboloch> I'm ruining, so to speak, my youth)
[20:36:01] <anatoly26> :-D
[20:39:19] <anatoly26> Today I got scared, I wanted to check the card that entered one shop yesterday. I go to the Amazon website, register on Skype, enter the data, the card, 3D Secure appears and after a few seconds it disappears, the payment does not go through and says either not enough funds or the information is incorrect. Got a little scared
[20:54:51] <WHO> Today we'll analyze work with drops
[21:03:55] <WHO> In this section you'll find offers from drop services
[21:04:06] <WHO> The task will be to monitor topics
[21:04:23] <WHO> Each service has its own rules of operation
[21:04:56] <WHO> List of stuff that can be accepted
[21:06:53] <WHO> krots@xmpp.jp
[21:07:07] <WHO> here's another contact, you can contact
[21:07:47] <WHO> verified2ebdpvms.onion
[21:07:50] <WHO> here's another forum
[21:07:52] <WHO> closed
[21:07:55] <WHO> with paid registration
[21:07:57] <WHO> $50 [
21:08:21] <WHO> A forum where the main specialization is drops
[21:08:31] <WHO> You can take 1 account for 2
[21:08:39] <WHO> You'll decide for yourself there
[21:09:38] <WHO> A normal service provides a panel with a list of available drop addresses
[21:10:18] <WHO> So, in fact, there are no problems
[21:10:35] <WHO> What about shops, have you chosen?
[21:10:55] <bars228> Yes
[21:11:05] <WHO> Now what's the task
[21:12:13] <WHO> Send me the shop name + your jabber in a PM on the forum. Create a conversation with the name "shops".
[21:12:44] <WHO> I'll look at it tomorrow and try to rate it based on your choice
[21:13:38] <hanau16> Need it right now, or not
[21:14:08] <WHO> not burning
[21:14:17] <WHO> https://privnote.com/snwSl9Ol#0FdbJBV15 - article for working with intermediaries
[21:14:42] <WHO> The intermediary also gives you an address to which you can send the goods
[21:14:46] <WHO> Then forward to ru
[21:15:00] <WHO> Drop services work in several directions
[21:15:17] <WHO> This is a scoop service, i.e. they buy your goods
[21:15:26] <WHO> Forwarding service, i.e. forward to your address
[21:15:39] <WHO> I advise you to start working now on illiquid goods
[21:15:49] <WHO> The task is simple - to be sent
[21:16:03] <WHO> Then "more"
[21:20:02] <WHO> Let's ask questions
[21:20:19] <Topsy Kretts> IP under drop always and everywhere
[21:20:45] <Topsy Kretts> EU shops, No ABC, bill, ship, IP ... all drop
[21:20:59] <Topsy Kretts> right?
[21:21:04] <anatoly26> WHO Regarding shops, there are, but it's probably better to send a personal message later, it doesn't work out as I'd like
[21:21:15] <WHO> Topsy Kretts: yes
[21:21:17] <WHO> anatoly26: ok
[ 21:22:35] <Topsy Kretts> here's a question
[21:22:36] <112233> that is, first I choose a drop, then I buy a map for it (state, city), then I set up the machine
[21:22:42] <112233> right?
[21:22:56] <Topsy Kretts> it seems the map doesn't matter
[21:23:05] <112233> what about the zip?
[21:23:05] <Topsy Kretts> or am I mistaken??
[21:23:12] <Topsy Kretts> euroshops are not ABC)
[21:23:46] <112233> I understand that the CH and drop need to be from the same place
[21:23:51] <112233> well, at least the state
[21:23:56] <Topsy Kretts> for EU - no
[21:24:00] <Topsy Kretts> or am I mistaken)?
[21:24:06] <112233> I'm talking about US right now)
[21:24:13] <Topsy Kretts> ok
[21:24:54] <hanau16> What difference does it make what state, ship=drop anyway
[21:25:35] <hanau16> Look for a drop closer to the shop
[21:25:57] <hanau16> Or a shop to a drop)
[21:26:45] <bars228> a card for a zip drop, right? if avs only checks zip.
because otherwise it turns out to be different bill-ship
[21:27:18] <bars228> for a zip middleman as well?
[21:28:41] <WHO> yes
[21:30:23] <bars228> and how to find shops without avs? only by typing?)
[21:30:41] <Topsy Kretts> or with ABC via zip yeah*
[21:30:42] <bars228> so that they eat us like yew
[21:31:02] <WHO> by processing
[21:31:06] <WHO> I told you
[21:31:19] <WHO> reread the lecture on typing in physical goods
[21:31:56] <Topsy Kretts> First ABC is checked and only then VALIDITY?
[21:32:02] <Topsy Kretts> or by live processing)
[21:32:05] <Topsy Kretts> ?
[21:32:15] <WHO> alive of course
[21:32:26] <bars228> I see, thank you
[21:32:37] <bars228> I'll go and type it in then, good luck to everyone)
[21:32:50] <Topsy Kretts> handsome Bars
[21:32:56] <Topsy Kretts> watch the next one))
[21:33:55] <bars228> look at your monitors
[21:34:21] <bars228> I mean the keying ins
[21:34:26] <Topsy Kretts> I once thought that everything starts with SS
[21:34:29] <Topsy Kretts> at the first second lecture
[21:34:32] <Topsy Kretts> :-D
[21:34:39] <Topsy Kretts> now CC is the last point on the list)))
[21:35:59] <Topsy Kretts> Using drops from EU shops in USA, nothing unusual?
[21:36:07] <Topsy Kretts> that is, buying from Europe in the States.
[21:36:17] <Topsy Kretts> is it a common thing?
[21:36:25] <Topsy Kretts> or for EU - EU Drops
[21:36:57] <hanau16> Look at the blacklists of countries
[21:37:44] <WHO> okay, yeah

[21:39:02] <ictus> as I understood it, if I'm wrong please correct me
1 - we go to the drop service/intermediary and they give us the data + spare parts
2 - we look for CC with the same ZIP
3 - we enter it and wait for the track
? From USA is it better to ship to EU or to another state? If according to EU so that the countries are different (this has already been discussed)
everything seems to be right?

[21:39:38] <WHO> everything is right
[21:39:51] <WHO> from USA I look where the shop sends we look first
[21:39:51] <ictus> thanks
where can I see the blacklists of countries?

[21:40:08] <Anakisuto> in the shop
[21:40:18] <Anakisuto> there is always a Delivery/shipping section and the like
[21:40:23] <Anakisuto> everything about delivery is described there very well
[21:40:30] <ictus> yeah, I get it, first check where the shop sends, then look for a drop in the reachable zone, etc.
[21:40:42] <ictus> oh ok, I get it
[21:41:27] <Anakisuto> a little life hack:
some shops write that they have delivery, but you need to contact them in advance. Be sure to take advantage of these moments and write to them by email (just make sure you don't pay with a stick), this is +100 to the successful sending of the goods
[21:41:36] <Anakisuto> I'm talking about European shops now
[21:42:56] <Anakisuto> They just started writing to me in private messages about the contacts of drop projects
and if Tauris doesn't mind. I'll throw them here in the common fund?
[21:48:40] <bars228> I've already reached two people, they registered in the admin panel
[21:48:46] <Anakisuto> The minimum cost of a parcel is $250.

carrier@jabber.ccc.de - daily from 18:00 Moscow time until early morning of the next day.
carrier_reserve@exploit.im - daily from 18:00 Moscow time until early morning of the next day.

They buy mostly liquid, but there is also some non-liquid
[21:49:26] <Anakisuto> We buy liquid.
We take non-liquid for sale, payments are 50/50.

Terms of work:
buy liquid 25-50%
shipping - $60 or 50\50

Contacts:
dropify_support@linuxlovers.at
dropify@linuxlovers.at

[21:51:01] <Anakisuto> walmart@0nl1ne.at
walmart@lethyro.net
buy and ship, there is work 50/50
[21:51:08] <Topsy Kretts> what is 50/50
[21:51:16] <ictus> yeah, I don't get it either
[21:51:27] <hanau16> give me half
[21:51:30] <Sam_Fisher> You ship for one unit of goods
[21:51:40] <Sam_Fisher> One goes to you, and the drop service takes one
[21:51:41] <Anakisuto> fisher is right
[21:51:46] <Anakisuto> or goods for the same price
[21:51:57] <Topsy Kretts> comfortable))
[21:52:14] <Topsy Kretts> shipping $60, are these considered normal conditions?
[21:52:16] <Anakisuto> Contacts:
Registration, work questions, payment questions: support@strongjabber.
cc Registration, cooperation questions: Success@strongjabber.cc

IMHO the best buy-service, very convenient panel, good support and they buy a lot of everything, at one time Nelik disappeared, but now it’s back
[21:52:16] <ictus> and like you don’t have to pay for drop services and forwarding right?
[21:52:42] <Anakisuto> if 50/50, then no
[21:52:59] <Topsy Kretts> shipping - $60 or 50\50
[21:53:00] <Anakisuto> and 60 is a normal price for drop-shippers, in Europe it's more expensive
[21:53:06] <Topsy Kretts> ok
[21:53:54] <hanau16> well, if on average, as they write, somewhere around 30-40% p has hammered in the end, but here without nerves get your 50 and sleep peacefully :-D
[21:54:02] <Anakisuto> pack@black0ut.cc scoop and shipping
[21:54:37] <Anakisuto> http://posil-club.pw/signin.php pickup scoop
[21:55:15] <Sam_Fisher> Pick-up is a very tasty opportunity
[21:55:30] <Topsy Kretts> what is this
[21:55:42] <Sam_Fisher> You type in bil=ship kh
[21:55:46] <Sam_Fisher> They send the goods
[21:55:52] <Anakisuto> The cost of receiving the pack is 10% (minimum 60€, maximum 100€) of the parcel.
Sending at the rates of local courier services.

We provide a customs bypass service. At the moment, we send a shuttle to Moscow once every 10-14 days, as the service develops, the shipment will become weekly. Cost - 40€.

gshn424@exploit.im
salandors@xmpp.jp

Receiving packs in Spain
[21:55:58] <Sam_Fisher> And then they forge the CH documents and the drop goes to the post office to pick up the pack
[21:56:01] <Anakisuto> yeah, fisher, it all sounds cool. but there are some pitfalls
[21:56:09] <Sam_Fisher> Yeah
[21:56:17] <Sam_Fisher> Not all delivery services agree to pickup
[21:56:35] <Sam_Fisher> That is, only courier to your home
[21:57:51] <Anakisuto> I'll upload a more detailed list of contacts to the cloud a little later
, there are still a lot of simple services, right now there will be a mess here,
but I'll upload everything to the cloud carefully and with complete information
[21:57:55] <Vovchi> Sam_Fisher: if there is a laptop for 700 bucks, will they fake the documents? Or does the product have to be credible?
[21:58:27] <Anakisuto> goods over 1000-1200 bucks always cost
[21:58:31] <Anakisuto> if it's cheaper, then they don't take it
[21:58:36] <Vovchi> Anakisuto: ok
[22:00:33] <Topsy Kretts> to earn real money, stingy - interesting. if you learn how to hit))
[22:00:43] <Topsy Kretts> 20-30% illiquid
[22:02:04] <Anakisuto> Well, yes, there are good options with illiquid, someone buys up blenders and stuff like that, they are not that hard to hiss
[22:02:22] <ictus> from the experience of refs from Amazon,I can say that some goods, even illiquid ones, will be much more profitable (5-10k) to sell in RU than to receive payment from a buyer
the only pain in the ass is time, selling in RU!
[22:02:34] <Anakisuto> Some cheapskates sell goods through Amazon, it takes longer, but is more expensive
[22:02:45] <Anakisuto> yes, Iktus is right
[22:02:58] <Topsy Kretts> how long does it take for a package to go from EU to USA?
[22:03:01] <Topsy Kretts> time)
[22:03:19] <Anakisuto> I advise you to pay attention, if you are going to sell something in Russia, to goods for the smart home, while there is little competition and you can sell relatively calmly
[22:03:23] <Anakisuto> in different ways
[22:03:26] <ictus> depending on what kind of delivery, if UPS then it is 3-4 days
[22:03:34] <Anakisuto> if from the UK, then Royal Mail arrives in 2 weeks and that's fast
[22:03:53] <Topsy Kretts> yeah))
[22:03:56] <Anakisuto> 3-4 days is to Russia, yes, but then Russian Post can really fuck you up
[22:03:58] <Anakisuto> in terms of time
[22:04:49] <Anakisuto> if inexpensive goods, then take DHL, it's fast
[22:05:00] <Anakisuto> but first check their customs limits, they are quite strict
[22:05:17] <Anakisuto> in general, Royal Mail is the coolest delivery, if we take the UK specifically
[22:05:27] <Anakisuto> at least they delivered to me with it many times, there were no problems
[22:05:34] <Anakisuto> neither in cost, nor in any other parameters
[22:08:00] <hanau16> Anakisuto: How much did a 2-3 kg parcel from the UK cost on average?
[22:08:22] <Anakisuto> not at all, I shipped without an intermediary, but directly to Russia from the UK
[22:08:46] <hanau16> That's why I asked
[22:09:04] <hanau16> payment for postage
[22:09:43] <Topsy Kretts> what is delivery by delivery
[22:09:46] <Anakisuto> still didn't understand the question, bro
[22:09:52] <Topsy Kretts> payment by delivery*
[22:09:56] <Anakisuto> that means payment upon delivery
[22:10:04] <Anakisuto> they pay as soon as it was delivered to the buyer
[22:10:27] <Topsy Kretts> and as for shipped, did you provide screenshots or something?
[22:10:41] <hanau16> Did you make a pack to pay for Royal Mail services?
[22:10:52] <Anakisuto> ah, well, you paid by card too
[22:10:58] <Anakisuto> during the order
[22:11:03] <hanau16> I see
[22:11:05] <Anakisuto> you don't pay anything upon arrival in Russia, everything has already been paid for
[22:11:26] <112233> Anakisuto: are you ordering for yourself?
[22:11:30] <112233> ship in the Russian Federation
[22:12:16] <112233> not scary?)
[22:13:31] <Anakisuto> always on yourself, yes
[22:13:37] <Anakisuto> no, what should I be afraid of)
[22:14:14] <Topsy Kretts> I have a second passport)
[22:14:59] <hanau16> Topsy Kretts: That's what they might bother me for
[22:15:09] <Topsy Kretts> :-|
[22:15:14] <hanau16> That's already an article
[22:15:20] <Topsy Kretts> ok
[22:15:41] <112233> Anakisuto: are we going to study air tickets, tours, hotels, etc.?
[22:15:44] <ictus> why take a second one with you except to the post office?)))
also the idea was right to make it so that I could show it to the courier
[22:16:15] <112233> you can have a temporary ID
[22:16:28] <ictus> you can
[22:16:38] <hanau16> 112233: A student card is just right
[22:16:39] <112233> it's just easier
[22:16:39] <Anakisuto> unfortunately, but no,
there's a lot of stress with this now and everyone works according to their own scheme, but
I can tell you in general terms and share my experience on this topic, but these will be materials from before the new year, I'll say it right away
[22:16:55] <Anakisuto> there are two ways to make hotels, yes, they still work without problems
[22:16:57] <Anakisuto> I'll tell you about them
[22:17:31] <112233> ok, we'll find working methods ourselves )
[22:17:37] <112233> based on old methods
[22:17:42] <Anakisuto> however, you know what
I'll test these two methods of mine
[22:17:44] <Anakisuto> and then I'll tell you what and how
[22:17:51] <Anakisuto> in any case, I'll tell you about them
and then we'll see
[22:18:09] <Anakisuto> maybe everything works the same now, maybe we'll improve something with our collective mind
[22:18:21] <Topsy Kretts> ready to go with my wife to a test hotel))
[22:18:41] <Topsy Kretts> what to do in cases where there are no drops?
I read what Tauris gave about intermediaries

Use the second option. Register an intermediary for scans. You can buy scans here - http://scano-ff.net/ (not an advertisement, but a good, time-tested service).
I highly recommend buying the maximum sets suitable for your country. In the event that the intermediary requests documents, you will save a considerable amount for a beginner (maybe the renderers here will forgive me), and provide all the documents.

Registered for data from scans. Then what to do at the post office???
[22:18:45] <ictus> I thought that hotels are made like this, you enter, for example, for 3 people, one of whom is a KH, but he doesn’t show up and only the other two are accommodated
[22:18:49] <Anakisuto> well, yeah, I did it for myself too, I only made it for a guy once to order, but I took a pack of documents from a random travel agency with me, you never know
[22:19:25] <Anakisuto> if there are no drops, take intermediaries, this is a completely normal transfer
[22:19:31] <Anakisuto> they may request scans for registration
[22:19:35] <Anakisuto> and they will send them to your name
[22:19:57] <Topsy Kretts> ah... I haven’t seen a request for scans yet. ok
[22:21:40] <Topsy Kretts> buy scans of your city for reg, in that case yes?
[22:21:50] <ictus> on shopfans every account asks for a scan
[22:22:05] <ictus> but it's not worth using, as they wrote earlier
[22:22:51] <Anakisuto> no. shopfan is total crap
[22:22:57] <Anakisuto> forget about it forever
[22:23:35] <ictus> well, I used it when I ordered gear for hard-earned money + then I partially refueled packs
[22:25:55] <Anakisuto> well, that's different
[22:31:49] <hanau16> I tried registering with the forwarder the other day, no problem Intermediary-forwarder EasyShip Log -Mail POR FHRFLBQHFQFBY(ARKADIYRAIKIN)ADDRESS Recipient:
Your EasyShip number: 4437
Address line 1 (Address): 805 Kiamensi rd
Address line 2 (Address): STE - 4437
City (City): Wilmington
State (State): Delaware (DE)
Zip Code (Zip Code): 19804
Phone (Phone): 1 - 929-999-7648
Post -- nazarovroman903@gmail.com por nhfrth2017 ( gb-01/03/1980 )
[22:32:55] <hanau16> Regal under the address - CITY KX
[22:33:46] <Topsy Kretts> do they have options by city?
[22:34:04] <hanau16> And everything is in Russian
[22:34:48] <hanau16> Actually, there are a lot of them, you need to read reviews and look at prices
[22:37:40] <Topsy Kretts> in short, I already wrote to the mole - I gave Tauris contact. everything is ok and convenient. scoop krots@xmpp.jp (drop) < krots@xmpp.jp /Psi+>

liquid 25-35%, non-liquid 20-25% ... payment by shipped )
[22:38:01] <Topsy Kretts> but in non-liquid there is also technology of course. not T-shirts
[22:38:19] <Anakisuto> Technology is not
all the same [22:38:35] <hanau16> Just right for a start
[22:40:44] <Topsy Kretts> and by the way, looking at such a dropper, I remember the article that in carding, most likely they make money on you, and not you))) . he has a fucking business of buying and selling goods)) Here you have a creepy word "drop"
[22:41:25] <ictus> well, you need to have connections so that the service doesn't get shut down, I guess
[22:43:19] <Anakisuto> well, a drop project isn't as difficult as it seems
[22:43:21] <Anakisuto> if you have a head
[22:43:43] <Anakisuto> I told someone from the group about this in a personal conversation, that in fact, in the end you should strive to stir up big projects yourself
[22:44:03] <Anakisuto> whether it's for bays or for staff, everything is achievable if you have the right partners and the right mindset
[22:44:26] <Topsy Kretts> that's the beauty of the club)
[22:44:34] <Topsy Kretts> big projects with your own team)
[22:51:04] <Topsy Kretts> on the one hand we have drops
[22:51:24] <Topsy Kretts> I have no experience with the hissing of what they buy. And their shipping is expensive for a trinket
[22:51:48] <Topsy Kretts> get your hand in the middle? to start
[22:52:45] <112233> look for stores with non-liquid goods and ship them
[22:52:54] <112233> learn)
[22:53:44] <Anakisuto> yes, you can fill up on middlemen
[22:53:49] <Anakisuto> a loooooot of stores send to middlemen
[22:53:54] <Anakisuto> even Amazon sends, if anything so
[22:54:13] <Anakisuto> so you shouldn't bypass middlemen
[22:54:16] <Anakisuto> that's a normal topic
[22:56:54] <Topsy Kretts> good
[22:57:03] <Topsy Kretts> http://prntscr.com/ee4jnv I'm checking my IP on IP-score
[22:57:14] <Topsy Kretts> where would it say LOW RISK or some other risk??
[22:57:56] <hanau16> Why the hell do you need Lithuania?
[22:58:54] <hanau16> It's also on many shops' blacklists
[22:59:13] <ictus> I think he has Latvia there
[22:59:46] <Topsy Kretts> yeah, I'm here for surfing, what are you talking about
[22:59:50] <Topsy Kretts> so it's closer to Russia.
[22:59:55] <Topsy Kretts> lower ping. surfing is more comfortable
[23:00:19] <hanau16> Sorry, I made a mistake, but it doesn't change the essence
[23:00:55] <Topsy Kretts> sorry
[23:01:03] <Topsy Kretts> really showed off)
[23:01:09] <hanau16> The entire former Soviet Union is under suspicion
[23:01:51] <Anakisuto> that's a fact
[23:02:00] <Anakisuto> but in usa, Europe is mostly more loyal to this

[06:58:37] <Anakisuto> I don't know if it's possible to do this, but if anything happens, they'll definitely come and fuck your ass
[06:59:17] <hanau16> Who studied what
[06:59:44] <hanau16> Anything is possible, if only there was a desire
[06:59:56] <anatoly26> Anakisuto: :-D
[07:00:38] <anatoly26> Need a drop in RU, payment 20% of $71 thousand
[07:00:43] <Anakisuto> Do you mean at the university?
[07:00:47] <Anakisuto> haha, yeah
[07:00:55] <Anakisuto> shipping $60
[07:01:27] <hanau16> Shipping is a bit expensive
[07:01:59] <anatoly26> I read how people card large
items [07:02:15] <anatoly26> I carded one Dell laptop for several hundred
[07:02:42] <anatoly26> Another 140 kg telescope for $10,000, I was looking for where to sell it
[07:03:17] <hanau16> anatoly26: You play chess, that's the same thing
[07:04:42] <anatoly26> There are also rumors, I don't know whether to believe them or not, that one admin from a forum that shouldn't be named carded 2 3D printers worth $1 and $3 million respectively
[07:06:15] <Anakisuto> not worth it, because there are no such 3D printers
[07:06:32] <Anakisuto> one of the most expensive costs 6k euros
there is a Russian one for 2 million rubles
[07:06:37] <Anakisuto> but not for a million bucks
[07:06:47] <Anakisuto> at least on open sale
[07:13:31] <anatoly26> Anakisuto: I already have that toad
[07:13:50] <anatoly26> Anakisuto: http://prntscr.com/ee5nnq
[07:32:18] <anatoly26> Who can say anything about this bigcommerce.com merch?
[07:36:35] <Topsy Kretts> I don't know! also interesting)
[02:22:07] <Topsy Kretts> hi colleagues
[02:59:38] <cos> bars, did you hammer this eurocardboard into the US or what?
[03:07:29] <Topsy Kretts> bars, don't tease me anymore, please
[03:07:39] <Topsy Kretts> I sat there until 7 in the morning. no result))
[03:09:31] <cos> Bars will get a prize for being the first to enter through an intermediary
[03:10:11] <WHO> definitely
[03:13:02] <cos> some kind of bullshit
[03:13:11] <cos> no purchase
[03:13:13] <cos> http://prntscr.com/eeqx87
[03:13:34] <cos> support told me that I can buy flowers in ru and send them to a girl
[03:13:53] <cos> but I can't buy them ska
[03:15:03] <cos> no noscript, chrome is in normal mode
[03:15:38] <anatoly26> Try Mozilla
[03:17:57] <anatoly26> I think they screwed me, I entered my noscript on Wednesday, they sent that they confirmed the order and do not answer my messages, I saw another shop where it says something like in case of non-delivery, refund, BUT they do not return the money for delivery, the shop was apparently so poorly made. Business idea,create a fake mazal and sell cards to shops
[03:18:12] <anatoly26> *shop
[03:18:53] <WHO> the order number is not displayed in the shop?
[03:22:30] <cos> <anatoly26> and how will they pay in a fake store?
[03:23:07] <anatoly26> The card, if I come across such stores again, I'll send you the card - if I don't forget
[03:23:15] <anatoly26> WHO: I'm looking for the letter now
[03:27:47] <anatoly26> no, there isn't one
[03:28:59] <Topsy Kretts> WHO: do socks lose out on fraud verification, unlike Tunnel? Do they reveal something that closes Tunnel?
[03:30:18] <WHO> Topsy Kretts: no such thing
[03:31:14] <Topsy Kretts> Amazon Dedicated Server with SOCKS can be used too then
[03:31:38] <WHO> It's better not to use Amazon Dedicated Servers
[03:31:59] <WHO> I posted a service above where you can check your IP for risk score
[03:32:21] <WHO> The optimal risk score is no more than 2
[03:36:45] <bars228> http://prntscr.com/eer7sp - Dedicated Server without tunnel
http://prntscr.com/eer910 - with tunnel
the OS of the tunnel is detected (all tunnels are on Linux)
[03:36:54] <bars228> whatleaks.com
[03:37:10] <bars228> in that case is it better to beat from a pure dedicated server or from socks?
[03:38:47] <WHO> Optimally, a dedicated server + install a socks package on it from vip72
[03:39:52] <WHO> Today we are sorting out the issues, tomorrow we will start the enroll
[03:41:56] <anatoly26> WHO: What is the easiest way to break through a USA shop if it accepts all countries?
[03:42:14] <WHO> USOI)
[03:43:26] <Topsy Kretts> and if the shop is with ABC, then Eurocardboard?
[03:43:36] <Topsy Kretts> why do you say USOI is easier?
[03:43:56] <cos> yes, they are almost all with AVS
[03:44:26] <WHO> Lecture "entering physical goods"
[03:44:34] <WHO> Euro can be accepted or rejected
[03:44:42] <WHO> You asked more simply
[03:44:46] <WHO> Euro cards are expensive
[03:44:52] <WHO> so it's easier to use US
[03:44:56] <Topsy Kretts> thanks
[03:45:19] <WHO> Ideally, everyone should try
[03:45:31] <WHO> How to bypass AVS, again a lecture "entering physical goods"
[03:48:52] <anatoly26> WHO: I have another question, what to do if you have no luck with electronics, and there is no one to send your clothes to
[03:49:17] <cos> CC only France and Italy drop is in Germany how to connect everything now? should I try usu shop or is it better to type in bil ship drop including CC name in Europe?
[03:49:19] <WHO> I told you
[03:49:28] <WHO> that you need to start with illiquid assets
[03:49:37] <WHO> you send me all the shops with equipment
[03:49:37] <cos> <anatoly26> you can use wool or find a person at the post office as an option
[03:49:41] <bars228> anatoly26: look at the droppers' list of illiquid assets,you can also search for shops for these products
[03:49:55] <WHO> liquid can be punched through an enroll
[03:49:59] <WHO> which we haven't reached yet
[03:50:10] <WHO> or through a stick
[03:50:39] <anatoly26> WHO: Does this mean that with the help of the roll we will put our bill and the shop will be stretched?
[03:51:52] <anatoly26> bars228: I'm surprised, clothes for 500 went in, but the phone for 400 didn't go to lightuinthebox
[03:52:28] <bars228> you need bins there
[03:52:50] <anatoly26> cos: So we'll hook up with the postwoman? :-D And shave some cabbage. Another business idea
[03:53:26] <anatoly26> bars228: And here our brother Anakisuto will come to our aid
[03:53:38] <cos> <anatoly26> yes, prove to her that you have an online store and give her a rag once a month
[03:55:11] <anatoly26> Here the issue is most likely not with the postman, but with customs. So you need a familiar customs officer. Although with him you can’t get by with just a rag. Business idea #3 for independent thought
[03:55:17] <Vovchi> anatoly26: you need to drink hard so as not to see her mug))
[03:56:22] <cos> <anatoly26> in lightuinthebox the clothes also indicated through an intermediary at 500?
[03:56:28] <anatoly26> I fucking hate going to the post office, there's always a bunch of elderly women paying their utilities, although there's a Sberbank branch across the street where there's no line
[03:57:00] <Vovchi> anatoly26: that's their period. They're up to their own business))
[03:57:11] <WHO> cos: beat France or Italy, that's fine
[03:57:59] <cos> <WHO> per person in de? it's more reliable than in ru
[03:58:16] <WHO> cos: yeah
[03:58:34] <cos> got it, thanks
[03:58:44] <cos> <anatoly26> in lightuinthebox, did you also indicate 500 for the gear through an intermediary?
[03:58:53] <anatoly26> WHO: Do you mean cvv France or Italy?
[03:59:23] <WHO> anatoly26: his question is above, reread it
[04:01:28] <anatoly26> cos: I only wanted to order a phone there. And that didn't work, I hit it at night and it looks like two cards were dead, then the next day I stocked up on obscenities, prepared my email addresses, and the payment window somehow changed a little, it indicated an error in the bill
[04:02:34] <anatoly26> cos: I found it in the middle of nowhere in the next town :-D 36 km from me
[04:02:49] <bars228> WHO: are there any other ways to search for shops with one merch, besides builtwith and a picture?
[04:03:02] <anatoly26> I join the leopard
[04:04:03] <cos> <anatoly26> how did you find Posred in the neighboring city? I don't understand
[04:05:30] <anatoly26> cos: Posred meant a drop project in ru. I write like I need an address, and he says addresses in the neighboring city
[04:06:41] <WHO> - extension for FireFox - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/builtwith/
- extension for Chrome - http://www.chromeextensions.
org/other/builtwith-technology-profiler/ - extension for Opera - https://addons.opera.com/ru/extensions/details/builtwith-technology-profiler/?display=en
[04:06:53] <WHO> extensions for BuiltWith
[04:07:03] <cos> <anatoly26>aaa, yes, you can throw an ad with an email on the job board, pick some chicks, and accept packs for 400-500 rubles
[04:07:51] <WHO> I threw it out like through Google image by logo, search for more
[04:08:11] <anatoly26> cos: I read Dropology, everything is described there interestingly
[04:09:34] <cos> I searched for drops for gold cards through the boards, it worked, but it's fucking awesome with them
[04:11:56] <cos> by the way, guys, I always register my email in Gmail, it doesn't require a mobile number when you change the country
[04:13:07] <cos> and shop through tor is easier to search for the desired country, so as not to go to deadlock or buy a VPN, you can simply set the exit node of the desired country in the tor settings
[04:13:59] <anatoly26> WHO: I have another question, what to do with the phone number? Specify Skype or CH with +-1 digit on the left, I read somewhere that Skype is better because if you call, they will immediately cancel the transaction
[04:14:52] <cos> there was a lecture, it is better to have a phone that does not answer
[04:15:01] <bars228> WHO: http://prntscr.com/eert8h - it does not show all shops, like the site itself, they are probably having some problems now
[04:15:13] <Topsy Kretts> I also suspect that the cancellations are due to a fake number. who randomly entered from his head*
[04:15:16] <WHO> anatoly26: https://privnote.com/kJt01WDL#U1lFiMjQE
[04:15:48] <anatoly26> I remember this article
[04:17:23] <WHO> https://carambatv.ru/mcelroy/security-2
Watch from 11:50, to get in the mood
[04:17:37] <WHO> anatoly26: Skype is better of course
[04:18:18] <bars228> I saw this video)
[04:27:14] <anatoly26> The guy is from West Hollywood, California
about carding and more
[04:30:58] <anatoly26> bars228: It was especially funny when he said about the woman that she wouldn't go for less than $5,000 will even go outside to do something
[04:32:56] <hanau16> Somehow my BuiltWith extension for Google doesn't want to install at all
[04:33:12] <anatoly26> I need a developer version
[04:33:56] <hanau16> anatoly26: So this one won't work?
[04:34:27] <anatoly26> If you have a developer version of Chrome, it will work
[04:34:49] <hanau16> No, the regular one
[04:34:58] <anatoly26> I don't think it's that hard to download if you like Chrome on principle
[04:35:27] <ictus> Hi everyone,
was there a lecture today?
yachet was late
[04:35:38] <hanau16> Chrome just use stores
[04:35:59] <hanau16> ictus: Didn't miss anything
[04:36:06] <hanau16> Hello
[04:37:32] <ictus> made Skype yesterday, everything is fine, but on Teespring it seems to be a screw up

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

prntscr.com

on CC the limit seems to have been reached
[04:38:27] <bars228> ictus: did you get it for everything?
[04:38:38] <hanau16> ictus: I also messed around with Skype
[04:38:41] <anatoly26> I also had this written on tisa a few times, in the end only one T-shirt was tracked
[04:39:09] <hanau16> From how many?
[04:39:23] <bars228> yes, it happens
[04:39:45] <anatoly26> From 2, I didn't try hard to squeeze out of them, but that first entry is unforgettable
[04:40:33] <hanau16> I entered 4 pcs. in the same way today. two have already been cancelled
[04:40:58] <anatoly26> I want to enter a ps4, but when I search with + it gives out some forums and hard stores
[04:41:13] <anatoly26> Looks like this is a hard liquid
[04:42:44] <hanau16> [jljdjq dblfnm njdfh
[04:42:59] <ictus> yes, such messages came for all selected positions in tisa
[04:43:05] <hanau16> Looks like a popular product
[04:43:27] <cos> same issue, instead of three ordered items, one is coming from tisa
[04:44:16] <anatoly26> At least make one for yourself from there, don't ruin this nest :-D
[04:44:44] <hanau16> I entered children's items
[04:44:48] <Topsy Kretts> Guys, is there anyone here who can record an answering machine in Skype?
[04:45:26] <cos> http://www.bustedtees.com/ from a public page, the same crap
[04:46:25] <hanau16> Does it also send to Russia?
[04:47:19] <Cboloch> shops that provide rendering: Roomwe.com , lightake.com, dhstyles.com
[04:48:02] <hanau16> Cboloch: Do they send to Russia?
[04:48:08] <Cboloch> on the middleman
[04:48:23] <hanau16> yes
[04:49:24] <Cboloch> middleman receiving on "names" - meest.us
[04:49:33] <bars228> Cboloch: beat kh, ship drop?
[04:50:40] <Cboloch> beat=thorn=intermediate, then rendering
[04:51:34] <anatoly26> The easiest shop for entering https://shop.stripe.com/ I don't know if it sends to RU
[04:51:43] <anatoly26> Only 2 T-shirts
[04:52:10] <Cboloch> one example: - beat the workpiece... so as not to kill it with a checker... entered... eight pairs of boots (example): http://prntscr.com/eescot
[04:52:48] <anatoly26> Share the store with ps4 :-$
[04:55:38] <hanau16> Eight pairs? Well, now you're not afraid of winter :-D
[04:55:55] <Topsy Kretts> your workpiece is like my best credit card)
[04:56:18] <anatoly26> He has the same processing as me 4 new ones
[04:56:40] <hanau16> Experience
[04:56:47] <Topsy Kretts> S-Svo
[04:56:53] <Cboloch> get used to taking, look for what you really need (need, you can sell, you will need to give, etc.)
[04:56:59] <Topsy Kretts> I'm looking for laptops
[04:57:08] <Topsy Kretts> The leopard teased me
[04:57:29] <Topsy Kretts> The sheep knows))
[04:58:19] <hanau16> Topsy Kretts: What didn't work out with the jackets?
[04:58:30] <Topsy Kretts> hanau16: I didn't buy the jackets
[04:58:33] <Topsy Kretts> Well, they were just
sent from Ripndip [04:58:34] <Topsy Kretts>)
[04:58:42] <Topsy Kretts> Warm sweatshirts
[04:58:43] <Topsy Kretts> for the summer)
[04:59:07] <cos> <Topsy Kretts> You'll lose weight)
[04:59:23] <ictus> In Ripndip, do we write our delivery address right away?
Then we enter the CC and that's it?
[04:59:27] <Topsy Kretts> or maybe the shop is too cool - manually cancel the signature credit due to fraud??
[04:59:29] <anatoly26> Are there any drops in Canada?
[04:59:30] <cos> who got the dedicated cards from where and how much?
[04:59:33] <anatoly26> Drop projects
[04:59:55] <anatoly26> I looked today - there are none in the public
[05:02:22] <cos> if you really need drops, you can find them yourself, it's risky though, post an ad on the job board in Canada
[05:03:05] <cos> well, you need to look at the photos from those who write to you by email and choose the most suitable ones
[05:03:42] <cos> some mother with children, for example
[05:04:02] <ictus> how risky is it to ask acquaintances or friends to accept a pack for EU or, for example, Australia? has
anyone done this? were there any consequences?
[05:04:02] <cos> ladies and gentlemen, where do you buy your DEDs?
[05:04:31] <hanau16> anatoly26: There are also many of our brothers in Canada, look for them on websites and forums
[05:04:33] <Cboloch> cos: xdedic
[05:04:33] <cos> <ictus> I doubt there could be any consequences
[05:04:35] <ictus> I haven't taken it yet, grandpa
[05:05:13] <Cboloch> http://xdedicvhnguh5s6k.onion - xdedic
[05:05:36] <ictus> when will we have lectures on stick?, I'm interested in this topic
[05:10:57] <cos> I read vitalko's topic on stick, it's all complicated there
[05:11:14] <cos> even lying down doesn't help
[05:11:20] <Cboloch> cos: the head is afraid, the hands do it
[05:11:26] <cos> well yeah
[05:12:07] <anatoly26> Is it possible to specify the same Skype number?
[05:13:06] <WHO> need
[05:13:27] <WHO> Save please what we wrote here today
[05:14:12] <Cboloch> general REQUEST - considering that the curator "fell off" - save the log and post it in the topic
[05:21:10] <cos> wow 50usd registration))
[05:21:31] <cos> xdedic
[05:23:54] <Cboloch> they're going to Balik
[05:24:08] <Cboloch> we'll send the sellers of the grandfathers to the private section
[05:24:14] <Cboloch> sent*
[05:26:08] <cos> oh, that's already cool http://www.lightake.com
[05:26:21] <cos> Cboloch thanks
[05:26:42] <cos> there are already drones and phones there
[05:28:42] <cos> only dead tunnel rendering forwarder ss
[05:29:05] <cos> all that's left is to get the right dead
[05:35:19] <cos> and what other specifics of working with aliexpress?
[05:36:09] <cos> can you order Chinese crap from there in bales?
[05:36:19] <cos> to open a shop
[05:51:33] <anatoly26> I have another question, in whose name should the rendering be done? In kh? Or in the recipient's name?
[05:51:41] <anatoly26> Cboloch: ?
[05:53:49] <Cboloch> on what was entered)
[05:53:55] <Cboloch> entered) OF COURSE
[05:54:31] <anatoly26> CH or the one who will receive?
[05:54:57] <anatoly26> Should we show the middleman that we are KH?
[05:55:07] <anatoly26> That's why we draw it?
[05:55:45] <anatoly26> Cboloch: ?
[05:56:10] <Cboloch> not in front of the middleman, but to the SHOP
[05:56:34] <Cboloch> and we draw a card for the shop, under the name we entered (ours, someone else's)... a card, etc.
[06:00:04] <anatoly26> Can you tell me how not to kill the card? How can she check the shops carefully? As soon as I get 1 or 2 refunds, they immediately block me.
[06:00:10] <anatoly26> Cboloch: .
[06:01:06] <Cboloch> anatoly26: these are your "thoughts" that the card is going to be deckled..... no need to fuck the same card up and down...
[06:01:22] <Cboloch> on a couple of shops... well, on three...
[06:01:37] <Cboloch> and put it aside... "for tomorrow".... on other shops
[06:01:48] <anatoly26> That is, if it was refed, then it should be left for a while?
[06:02:27] <anatoly26> Cboloch They also said that you need to hit with small amounts, is there a place for this?
[06:03:27] <Cboloch> incorrect understanding.....
[06:03:36] <Cboloch> it's not about "that"....
[06:04:24] <Cboloch> I don't know how to explain that idea..... I'll try now...
[06:04:51] <Cboloch> look: there are two cards -
[06:04:57] <Cboloch> 1. debit
[06:05:03] <Cboloch> 2. signature credit
[06:05:19] <Cboloch> question - which one is more likely to have a larger amount?
[06:05:35] <Cboloch> (available for write-off)
[06:06:01] <Vovchi> 1
[06:06:08] <Cboloch> it was not so much about small amounts, but about the fact that greed is the ruin
[06:06:31] <Topsy Kretts> on the second
[06:06:59] <Cboloch> Vovchi: not correct. Debit is what is on the card, Credit is what can be taken from the debit and written off (overdraft) on credit
[06:07:03] <Cboloch> Topsy Kretts: correct
[06:07:32] <Vovchi> Cboloch: I somehow remembered that credit cards are better for purchases
[06:07:49] <Vovchi> I'll keep that in mind
[06:08:12] <Cboloch> ok.simple question. We know that the card has a balance of $5,000. Question: for what amount will you punch this card in one order?
[06:08:35] <Cboloch> You are the BANK.
[06:08:52] <Cboloch> what amount would you not find "strange" to write off?
[06:09:05] <Vovchi> I think up to 500
[06:09:23] <Vovchi> even less
[06:09:32] <Cboloch> right... up to 500 - (not taking into account the other indicators) - is normal.
[06:09:57] <Cboloch> the card may have "limits" - for example daily, "monthly"
[06:10:15] <Cboloch> for example: the amount of daily write-offs is no more than N $
[06:10:22] <Cboloch> or monthly
[06:10:43] <Cboloch> a story from personal experience:
[06:11:32] <Cboloch> the card had a limit (judging by all my entries) - no more than 50-70 dollars a day.... I "paid off" this card for 20 days...) for orders of 50-60 dollars.... and the card LIVED.
[06:13:37] <Cboloch> it did not allow writing off more than 50-60
[06:14:12] <Vovchi> sent it to yourself? The intermediary is not in on this at all)?
[06:14:22] <Vovchi> drop
[06:16:35] <Cboloch> Vovchi: in case of the voiced card - on himself
[06:17:19] <Cboloch> middleman (if I sent it to him) it wouldn't matter either. The parcel arrives, and then the parcels can be grouped into one pack (one) and sent
[06:18:02] <Vovchi> and how would he count it in that case?
[06:18:14] <Vovchi> for one pack. or for 30?
[06:18:50] <Vovchi> probably for 30
[06:19:03] <Cboloch> middleman? he doesn't care. it's not a drop that "takes" the amount for each reception
[06:19:10] <Topsy Kretts> check out the CC SHOP guys. two hours of work wasted http://prntscr.com/eetn7i
[06:19:12] <Cboloch> Vovchi: no, in the middle it doesn't matter how many packs
[06:19:15] <Vovchi> Even so?
[06:19:24] <Vovchi> Cboloch: I didn't know these things
[06:20:18] <Cboloch> Topsy Kretts: $2 cards with billing? ) lol
[06:20:24] <Topsy Kretts> with a zip)
[06:20:39] <Topsy Kretts> but billing=ship=drop.
[06:21:46] <Vovchi> Topsy Kretts: and I was wondering where you disappeared to)))
[06:22:21] <Topsy Kretts> damn.. a checker before the input
[06:22:26] <Topsy Kretts> would be priceless.
[06:22:52] <Cboloch> forget about checkers
[06:22:57] <Cboloch> checkers kill cards
[06:25:46] <Topsy Kretts> Cboloch: bad
[06:25:53] <Topsy Kretts> :-D
[06:26:00] <Topsy Kretts> and the dwayne checks before checking
[06:26:04] <Topsy Kretts> or the dwayne.
[06:26:57] <Topsy Kretts> tunnels are not always there for drop
shops, it's hard to find
ss invalid
[06:27:01] <Topsy Kretts> there is no money button here.
[06:27:12] <Topsy Kretts> t-shirts are on the way.
[06:27:13] <Topsy Kretts> ahahaha
[06:28:50] <cos> bro, don't fuss
[06:29:01] <cos> everything will be fine
[06:29:22] <cos> we'll work on the goods now
[06:29:47] <cos> then we'll go further, there are many directions
[06:30:06] <anatoly26> Topsy Kretts: Use normal
[06:31:15] <Topsy Kretts> anatoly26: ssshop?
[06:31:20] <Topsy Kretts> anatoly26: I got it from there)
[06:31:22] <Topsy Kretts> I think
[06:37:19] <Cboloch> <cos> everything will be - CORRECT. [06:37:19] <Topsy Kretts> went
to http://www.lightake.com . just like corpses. everything is simple there) but without a warrant yet
[06:38:17] <Cboloch> Topsy Kretts: without an accepted "warrant" and without a "track" - two different things
[06:38:35] <Topsy Kretts> yes) I don't have a warrant))))))
[06:38:37] <Topsy Kretts> did cards

(19:12:04) ictus: who last took a normal mat and from whom? otherwise dwayne is silent for now
(19:15:51) WHO: Not guys, as I understood, yesterday everyone didn't understand that today is a lecture, then it's for tomorrow, more than half of the group is gone.
(20:10:38) Anakisuto: that's for sure
(20:48:58) Topsy Kretts: I understood everything but I overslept)
(20:49:56) Vovchi: are you here with two toads? For the crowd )?
(20:50:18) Topsy Kretts: and there's a cell phone
(20:50:21) Topsy Kretts: I'll turn it off now
(18:52:44) anatoly26: http://prntscr.com/efl3qt what could be the reason?
(18:54:06) Cboloch: what's the reason? what didn't you like?
(18:54:21) Cboloch: already at sorting
(18:54:44) anatoly26: Is the delay normal?
(18:54:58) Cboloch: you're already at sorting
(18:55:29) Cboloch: 2.5 hours at customs?... already cleared customs.
(18:55:36) Cboloch: it could take a week at customs. (
18:55:38) Cboloch: week
(18:55:45) anatoly26: Don't be angry, sir, the devil has tempted the damned one, henbane has come over his eyes
(18:55:50) anatoly26: :-D
(18:55:51) Cboloch: ahahahaha)
(18:56:20) Cboloch: anatoly26: then a local))) what's his name... ah! LAND)
(18:56:38) anatoly26: Cboloch: :-D
(18:56:52) topsykretts entered the room.
(18:56:57) Cboloch: well if Lyubertsy is not far away - see you)
(18:57:27) hanau16: Cboloch: Damodndovo
(18:57:43) anatoly26: Rostov B-)
(18:57:49) Cboloch: good.. I have a dacha there.. (in that "area").. which I really need to sell
(18:58:00) Cboloch: 24 hundredths, house 110
(18:58:22) WHO entered the room.
(18:58:28) Cboloch: and an apartment in Moscow... etc.
(18:59:15) hanau16: anatoly26: Give me your toad
(19:00:14) anatoly26: Anyone who wants to join, I'll help with anything you need
(19:28:33) anatoly26: usb here
(19:31:08) Cboloch: any questions about the previous lectures left?
(19:31:56) 112233: can I send you a list later?
(19:32:03) 112233:after all the lectures
(19:32:42) WHO: Yes, you can
(19:32:50) WHO: Today we will look at the enroll
(19:33:09) WHO: The enroll is a regular CC, only with online access
(19:33:21) WHO: An analogue of our Sberbank Online
(19:33:39) WHO: What does the enroll give us?
(19:34:19) hanau16: $$$
(19:34:22) WHO: depending on the bank: the ability to change the address online, find out mini write-offs (they are also minis\mini deposits), find out the name\code of the transaction
(19:34:49) WHO: as well as all the cardholder's transactions, where he stores, for what amounts
(19:35:17) WHO: The process of loading itself is as follows
(19:35:41) WHO: as a rule, we are interested in banks that require only ssn&dob for loading
(19:35:52) WHO: ssn - social security number
(19:36:01) WHO: dob - date of birth
(19:36:40) WHO: this is the data that we can check
(19:37:21) WHO: http://robocheck.cc/
(19:38:08) WHO: if for When rolling, the bank asks for the driver's license number, bank account number, or MMN - mother's maiden name. We bypass such banks
(19:38:40) WHO: Rolling is done from a clean tunnel or dedicated server, not from a sock. Socks die quickly, and we need constant access from the same IP
(19:39:07) WHO: The tunnel/dedicated server is selected for the city or state
(19:39:35) WHO: We register mail under the name of the KH, on any service
(19:40:03) WHO: How to find a rolling bank? We take a list of banks, and stupidly go to their sites, and see what data the bank asks for rolling
(19:41:31) WHO: Found the bank. We buy a bank CC, usually not lower than platinum is taken, although usually any credit cards are accepted, classic, standard, premier, platinum, signature, but not business and any corporate ones
(19:42:02) WHO: When we buy a CC under a roll, it is better not to check the card, so as not to screw it up
(19:42:58) WHO: Example
(19:43:11) WHO: creditonebank.com
(19:43:27) WHO: logs in from a usa IP, you can use an epic browser for those who have one
(19:43:34) WHO: for those who don't, see the screenshots
(19:44:07) WHO: To make an enroll, click http://prntscr.com/efmc7a
(19:44:47) WHO: A window will open - http://prntscr.com/efmchg
(19:44:59) WHO: Here we enter all the data, we already have it
(19:45:35) WHO: if everything is ok, a sign appears that your online account is registered
(19:45:53) WHO: if not, then the card is already rolled at KH
(19:46:37) WHO: in this case, the bank has a reroll, click on forgot your name or password
(19:48:19) WHO: Everything will be clear there too
(19:48:53) WHO: http://prntscr.com/efmefw
(19:48:57) WHO: https://www.creditonebank.com/account-reset
(19:49:05) WHO: Only Keep Existing Username?*
(19:49:07) WHO: put no
(19:49:11) WHO: and enter your nickname
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(19:51:06) WHO: after these manipulations, the reroll is ready
(19:52:04) WHO: So, we are in the roll. The first thing we should do is compare the last digits of the card, in the roll and your card they should match
(19:52:33) WHO: if they are different, then the card has been reissued, this happens
(19:53:10) WHO: It also happens that in addition to your card, another one is indicated in the roll. It is impossible to find out its full number, expiration date and color.
(19:53:57) WHO: In each bank, when you roll up, you will see several lines with different balances
(19:54:40) WHO: Balance - many people think that this is the rollup balance, but in fact it is the amount that the CH has already spent
(19:55:22) WHO: Aviable credit - this is the amount we need, this is the amount available for making purchases
(19:56:04) WHO: Also in the rollup there are so-called rewards
(19:56:13) WHO: bonuses
(19:56:49) WHO: they can usually be spent on all sorts of airline tickets, hotels, e-gifts from popular shops, etc.
(19:57:55) WHO: The main goal is of course to change the CH address to the address of your drop, specifically to the drop, because often the addresses of intermediaries at banks are blacklisted
(19:58:06) WHO: And our spike method will be bill=spike
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(19:59:18) WHO: When changing the address, the bank will ask you a question like the dob CH that we have, or its phone number
(19:59:49) WHO: that's why it's best to take cards with a phone number
(20:00:16) WHO: After changing the address, we let our enroll settle
(20:00:21) anatoly26 left the room.
(20:00:22) anatoly26 entered the room.
(20:01:11) WHO: The address change occurs within 3 days, we give another +1 day to rest, the change occurs only on working days, touch that weekends do not count
(20:02:29) WHO: when changing the address, we indicate the Skype number registered under the city\state of the drop, you can also use Google Voice
(20:02:39) WHO: Entering
(20:02:42) WHO: It's simple
(20:02:53) WHO: like any CC
(20:02:58) WHO: regular entering
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(20:03:09) WHO: the second way is by phone
(20:03:17) WHO: there are calling services for this
(20:03:43) WHO: we send the caller all the card details with the new address, the shop and the goods
(20:04:14) WHO: and the caller places the order by phone, the manager makes the payment through the terminal
(20:04:52) WHO: using this method of entering the chance that the shop will send the stuff increases
(20:05:50) WHO: when paying through the terminal, the bank sees the transaction as if the CH himself came to the shop and made the purchase
(20:06:39) WHO: but not all shops accept orders by phone, look on the website or ask the shop by mail
(20:07:13) WHO: It happens that when entering the order, the shop asks to go through additional verification
(20:08:49) WHO: offers to write off a small amount of up to 1-2 bucks from our card, and you must tell them this amount
(20:09:55) Topsy Kretts: is this for orders by phone?
(20:10:04) WHO: we agree to this check, the shop writes off, we go to the roll and see this mini-deposit
(20:10:07) WHO: no
(20:10:11) WHO: usually when entering
(20:10:15) WHO: minis
(20:10:22) WHO: min write-offs from the card
(20:10:26) WHO: mini*
(20:10:44) WHO: We look in the roll, tell them the amount, and usually after that the shop sends the goods
(20:12:47) WHO: if you come across such shops, always write them down separately, in the future you will send them out with rolls
(20:14:03) WHO: In addition to minis, the shop can ask you to name the transaction, we also look online and call it that
(20:14:24) WHO: But not all banks display minis or the name online transactions
(20:15:48) WHO: You can still try to solve the problem with minis if you remember the balance that was when you rolled it
(20:17:09) WHO: subtract the original balance from the current amount on the card, the difference will be our small write-off
(20:19:01) WHO: But there are shops that make two mini write-offs, here you can’t calculate them. You will calculate the difference, but since there were two write-offs, it will not be possible to understand which ones they were
(20:19:59) WHO: If they ask for the name of the transaction, and we can’t see it online, then the only way to call the bank is to call, but for this we need the mother’s maiden name - we don’t bother
(20:21:16) WHO: If when you roll up you see that alerts are set, we go and see what these alerts are
(20:21:23) WHO: Alerts - notifications
(20:22:39) WHO: Vida - a message/reminder comes that you need to deposit into the account, because you are spending credit money. Or there is an alert notifying about a low balance on the card
(20:23:04) WHO: There are dangerous alerts, for example if the transaction is over 500 bucks
(20:24:59) WHO: We disable such alerts, but before disabling, we need to make sure that the CH email has been changed to our email. If everything is good, we will disable them.
(20:25:58) WHO: https://privnote.com/WCGCEymi#ppG005ufN - a couple of banks that are rolling
(20:26:02) WHO: Questions
(20:26:19) 112233: how to spend revords
(20:28:36) hanau16: Optimal terms for the roll to last?
(20:30:02) hanau16: Does Enrol work everywhere or are there countries and banks where it is not an option?
(20:30:42) 112233: and still don't know where satoshi went? the store doesn't work for him
(20:30:56) chachak1: the address changes for 3 days, etc. and during that time CH doesn't know anything? So the bank doesn't notify KH?
(20:31:34) hanau16: chachak1: please throw it away Satoshi
(20:31:54) WHO: 112233: We'll see there
(20:31:55) hanau16: Sorry 112233
(20:32:01) WHO: hanau16: Just like a regular card
(20:32:11) chachak1: And the bank doesn't call kh?
(20:32:16) WHO: hanau16: We can check SSN and Dob through USA, it's problematic in other countries
(20:32:33) hanau16: Got it
(20:32:34) 112233: WHO: that is, having enrolled the card, I will be able to spend Rewords from my account?
(20:32:35) chachak1: hanau16: I don't have it.
(20:32:40) WHO: chachak1: we're making the video using our own data
(20:32:51) 112233: hanau16: ??
(20:32:51) WHO: chachak1: we register ourselves, as if we are kh
(20:33:04) hanau16: 112233: please throw off the toad satoshi
(20:33:19) WHO: You can buy a ready-made roll, you can sell it
(20:33:21) 112233: hanau16: I don’t have one, I’m looking for it myself
(20:33:33) hanau16: 112233: Ok
(20:33:53) WHO: https://privnote.com/7TsdwLGF#LMKcX5aB5
(20:33:55) WHO: article
(20:34:05) WHO: Where did satoshi go I have no idea
(20:36:12) WHO: So, think about it, come up with questions, write in PM or the next lecture, I'm running away
(20:36:23) hanau16: If I don't pass the mini-check, etc., can they close the role-playing game?
(20:37:31) WHO: no
(20:38:31) 112233: what other lectures do we have left?
(20:38:50) hanau16: Stick, we're
waiting (20:39:10) hanau16: brkt, we're waiting
(20:39:17) hanau16: brut
(20:39:36) chachak1: We're changing the data, doesn't this moment seem strange for the bank?
(20:40:22) hanau16: chachak1: Can you change your data in Sberbank? (
20:41:01) chachak1: I don't know, I haven't tried it
(20:41:09) hanau16: Easily
(20:41:14) chachak1: I'm a true pioneer
(20:41:27) hanau16: Well, our own
(20:42:02) hanau16: Mail. Phone, anything can happen
(20:42:26) chachak1: I'll try with Sberbank tomorrow for fun
(20:42:48) hanau16: It's done without any problems
(20:43:17) bars228: What's the point of changing your address in Sberbank? We don't have avs
(20:43:31) hanau16: this is an example
(20:44:22) hanau16: they can pester us with questions over the phone too
(20:46:03) chachak1: it turns out that enrol is the weak link in the banking system
(20:46:27) hanau16: No, the card is the weak link
(20:51:39) chachak1: yes, the card. all the people have a card...
(20:58:43) hanau16: chachak1: I don't have one

(21:52:43) Anakisuto: evening in the house
(21:52:46) Anakisuto: and all that
(21:55:59) anatoly26: Anakisuto: :-D
(21:59:58) Topsy Kretts: main job - searching for shops, that's how it is for me at the moment.
(22:00:06) Topsy Kretts: then test them for entry
(22:00:10) Topsy Kretts: analysis of order cancellations
(22:00:16) Topsy Kretts: and joy is not canceled
(22:00:19) Topsy Kretts: :-D 4
(22:00:30) bars228: I think to make a rollup
(22:00:40) anatoly26: Similar thoughts
(22:00:53) anatoly26: In search of a bank
(22:00:58) Anakisuto: with shops it is correct, it is enough to set a couple of search standards for yourself and everything will go great
(22:01:00) Anakisuto: and with rollups
(22:01:01) Anakisuto: my advice
(22:01:05) Anakisuto: if you don’t want to search for a long time
(22:01:09) Anakisuto: buy the cheapest rollup
(22:01:12) Anakisuto: on any board (22:01:18
) Anakisuto: but of course it's not a shitty one
(22:01:24) Anakisuto: and then roll this bean for health
(22:01:29) Anakisuto: *health
(22:03:17) Anakisuto: this is the fastest option
(22:03:19) Topsy Kretts: good))
(22:03:50) Anakisuto: the main thing to keep in mind is that the address changes every 2-3 business days
(22:03:57) Anakisuto: and if the drops are one-time in a drop project
(22:04:00) Anakisuto: then you understand
(22:05:38) Anakisuto: well, let's get started
(22:05:39) Anakisuto: first of all
(22:05:44) Anakisuto: a logical question
(22:05:46) Anakisuto: a little
(22:05:51) Anakisuto: you've set everything up awesome
(22:06:47) Anakisuto: entered
(22:06:47) Anakisuto: the payment went through
(22:06:47) Anakisuto: cunning shop workers start thinking whether to skip the order or
(22:06:47) Anakisuto: what do you think they analyze first?
(22:06:59) Topsy Kretts: did it have a spike?)
(22:07:07) Anakisuto: whatever
(22:07:15) Topsy Kretts: well, they analyze, I mean that
(22:07:19) Anakisuto: let's say that either a store without an AWS and billing cannot be checked
(22:07:23) Topsy Kretts: but since we are talking about accounts. then are you a new reg or not)))
(22:07:24) Anakisuto: or you entered CH billing
(22:07:32) bars228: IP
(22:07:40) Anakisuto: well,
they look at IP first, right
(22:07:49) Anakisuto: how close is it to the SHIPPING address
(22:08:45) Anakisuto: then they look at the order history
(22:08:55) Anakisuto: I don't care where they were sent, just their very existence
(22:09:00) Anakisuto: and here accounts will help us
(22:09:05) Anakisuto: in general, brute force solves a lot of problems
(22:09:29) Anakisuto: first I'll tell you about the benefits of accounts, and then we'll talk about their types and how they are mined
(22:09:35) Anakisuto: and in the next few days we will conduct a practice on them
(22:12:18) Anakisuto: accounts are, roughly speaking, always that intermediate option that we want to get in carding
(22:12:29) Anakisuto: do we want to buy something?
the account already has everything we need
(22:12:36) Anakisuto: do we want to add money to a balance somewhere?
the account already has it
(22:12:54) Anakisuto: do we want to drain the balance?
see the point above
(22:15:04) Anakisuto: There are accounts:
1) a shop account with a card
a) you can pay with it
b) you can't pay with it
2) a shop account with a balance
3) an account of any other company with a balance
4) just an empty account
(22:16:47) Anakisuto: let's consider them one by one
(22:17:05) Anakisuto: let's say we can pay from an account with a card
(22:17:07) Anakisuto: what should we do?
(22:17:42) Topsy Kretts: change the ship in the account
(22:17:45) Topsy Kretts: and pay?)
(22:17:52) Anakisuto: that's possible too
(22:17:58) Anakisuto: who else thinks what?
(22:18:35) bars228: Helmet on bil=spike and do pickup)
(22:18:41) Vovchi: change bil)
(22:18:53) bars228: Or write to sap to change the address
(22:19:19) Anakisuto: ok
all these options are good
(22:19:23) Anakisuto: but there are better ones
(22:19:25) Anakisuto: I'll explain
(22:19:51) Anakisuto: what's good about the barsa option:
minimum hassle when ordering, maximum luck, the very maximum of luck
(22:20:16) Anakisuto: what's good about the Vovchi option:
if the shop is without avs, then everything is just as cool as in the point above
(22:20:58) Anakisuto: what's good about the Topsy option:
we'll get our order faster, minimum dancing with a tambourine
(22:21:06) Anakisuto: but there is an option that unites all of these
(22:21:15) Anakisuto: what's wrong with the Bars option?
(22:21:21) Anakisuto: a pain in the ass when redirecting an order to yourself
(22:21:34) Anakisuto: if the shop is reputable, they'll give you a hard time about the pickup
(22:21:39) Anakisuto: what's wrong with Vovchi's option?
(22:21:41) Anakisuto: the shop could be with AVS
(22:21:51) Anakisuto: and what's wrong with Topsy's option?
(22:22:12) Anakisuto: the shop will get worried, why all of a sudden a new IP and new shipping abruptly (IP for shipping)
(22:22:22) Anakisuto: that's why it's better to do it this way:
send from the new IP, change to the holder
(22:22:28) Anakisuto: and in a day send to your shipping
(22:22:34) Anakisuto: that's +100 to the order completion
(22:24:47) bars228: Is it the same with shops that give credit for purchases? (22:27:48)
Anakisuto: you think correctly
(22:28:00) Anakisuto: so as not to take out a loan in such shops ourselves
(22:28:05) Anakisuto: it's easier to brute force an account with a loan
(22:28:13) Anakisuto: let's move on
(22:28:18) Anakisuto: you can't pay with a card in a shop
(22:28:20) Anakisuto: it's all simple
(22:28:24) Anakisuto: the same as with an empty account
(22:28:29) Anakisuto: knit your own, send it straight to yourself
(22:28:46) Anakisuto: but here, depending on the situation,
it’s better not to be impudent with the amount from the very beginning
(22:28:51) Anakisuto: and if they send a small order to you
(22:28:55) Anakisuto: send a second, larger one from THIS same card
(22:34:46) Anakisuto: accounts with a balance
(22:34:54) Anakisuto: it’s easier to order from a balance to some extent than from a card
(22:35:07) Anakisuto: you can change the saved shipping address in the shop and voila
(22:35:14) Anakisuto: but there is more suspicion towards such order
(22:35:16) Anakisuto: occasionally (22:35:19
) Anakisuto: mostly it's easier with a balik
(22:38:15) Anakisuto: well, and from an office with a balance you can either play (bets and the like)
or just withdraw
(22:38:20) Anakisuto: or sell an account with a balance
(22:38:38) Anakisuto: still empty accounts (like Instagram, VK) are in demand among buyers
(22:39:38) Anakisuto: any questions about using accounts and their types?
(22:41:27) Vovchi left the room.
(22:42:17) hanau16: Which specific AEIs are we interested in?
(22:42:25) hanau16: frb
(22:42:31) hanau16: aki
(22:42:54) ictus: those with balance
(22:43:00) Vovchi [ vovaprocrd@zloy.im /Psi+] entered the room.
(22:43:14) hanau16: Which ones for card. Which ones for draining
(22:43:56) ictus: card - with credit,
balance - drain
?
(22:44:10) hanau16: Bank.club. aki shops. aki social networks?
(22:45:41) Anakisuto: to each his own, as they say
(22:45:48) Anakisuto: you can and should work with all of these accounts
(22:45:55) Anakisuto: but what is more convenient - everyone knows for themselves
(22:46:06) hanau16: Which accounts are better to drain and withdraw to?
(22:46:33) Anakisuto: for draining the balance, it is better to use accounts with the balance of those companies that generally imply withdrawal
(22:46:39) Anakisuto: to a stick, to a VM, to gifts and others
(22:47:11) hanau16: D.ct tcnm DV,
(22:47:38) hanau16: Is there a VM in us? (
22:48:44) Anakisuto: sure
(22:49:08) hanau16: Is it possible to top up an account from another unlinked card?
(22:49:36) Anakisuto: I didn't quite understand the question
(22:49:45) Anakisuto: huh
(22:50:00) hanau16: Is it possible to unlink a card on an account and link another one?
(22:50:10) Anakisuto: sure
(22:50:13) Anakisuto: I talked about this above
(22:50:26) hanau16: Sorry
(22:50:45) Anakisuto: empty accounts are convenient for this, or those where you can't pay from a linked card
(22:52:06) hanau16: Another question, which AKI in us work well with webmoney?
(22:52:31) Anakisuto: "(22:43:56) ictus: card - with credit,
balance - drained
?"
can you clarify the question?
(22:52:34) Anakisuto: well, here you already need to look
(22:52:41) Anakisuto: I can't name specific services
(22:52:51) Anakisuto: since everything is very dynamic here
(22:53:06) Anakisuto: like in the clothing store with shops, here you also find an office and fuck it as best you can
(22:53:31) Sam_Fisher: Usually these are some bookmakers
(22:53:39) hanau16: I see.
(22:53:49) Sam_Fisher: But here they are very nerdy in terms of changing payment details
(22:53:55) bars228: http://prntscr.com/eh88xf
there is no webmoney in us..
(22:54:28) hanau16: I looked today and didn’t find it.
(22:55:13) Anakisuto: hmm
(22:55:24) Anakisuto: well maybe I came across international offices
(22:55:31) Anakisuto: but I often came across withdrawal to VM
(22:56:11) hanau16: VM is probably the final point in the chain
(22:56:26) Anakisuto: well yeah, maybe US offices just withdraw through exchangers or something like that
(22:56:42) Anakisuto: in any case, USA is not the only country for such accounts
(22:57:09) hanau16: EU?
(22:57:39) Anakisuto: Asia, EU, CIS, the whole world in other words
(22:57:59) anatoly26: It turns out that you can find an account, the balance or the linked card from which you can withdraw to EPS?
(22:58:07) anatoly26: Am I right in understanding or am I wrong
(22:58:16) Anakisuto: well, not from the card, but from the balance yes
(22:59:01) anatoly26: Is it difficult to work with Amazon? I've often heard that it is problematic
(23:00:32) Anakisuto: well, you need to find an approach to them, and find it and constantly stay afloat, because Amazon changes their anti-fraud settings pretty quickly
(23:01:19) anatoly26: As far as I heard, they even look at the video card
(23:01:48) Anakisuto: well, they look at the equipment there, of course, and it's not only Amazon that does it
(23:01:58) bars228: it's all fingerprint
(23:02:16) Anakisuto: any more questions on usage?
(23:03:20) bars228: a question about the software, in private keeper you can easily make brutes for your services, but I didn't figure it out
(23:03:47) Anakisuto: well, it's not easy, but you can
(23:03:51) hanau16: As I understand it, the picture is like this: card=ac=bitcoins=VM
(23:04:01) Anakisuto: it's enough to know how the site is structured and how the request goes to it
(23:04:04) Anakisuto: more on that later
(23:04:07) Anakisuto: no, why?
(23:04:12) bars228: ok)
(23:04:28) Anakisuto: no need to consider working with accounts in a template way,
it's not necessarily a card, it's not necessarily bitcoins and VM
(23:04:35) Anakisuto: the withdrawal can be anywhere
(23:04:44) Anakisuto: as well as the replenishment used by the holder
(23:06:59) Topsy Kretts: I see two directions. 1) purchases 2) withdrawal
(23:07:03) Topsy Kretts: by accounts. right?
(23:07:08) Anakisuto: yes
(23:07:15) Anakisuto: that's right
(23:07:46) Topsy Kretts: yeah. withdrawal is a sweet deal
(23:08:39) Topsy Kretts: if there is a card on the account. SHOP WITH ABC. But the card asks for CVV
(23:08:48) Topsy Kretts: I'm knitting a new card. Will he check the billing again?
(23:09:26) Topsy Kretts: and will turn me around if I leave Bill from the account
(23:09:55) Anakisuto: yeah, will turn around
(23:12:11) Anakisuto: ah, well one more option
(23:12:20) Anakisuto: it's pretty stupid, but if you have a bunch of accounts, it'll do
(23:12:26) Anakisuto: in short, if cvv requires it
(23:12:38) Anakisuto: take the zip from the billing, the expiration date and the name of the holder
(23:12:43) Anakisuto: and look for this card in shops
(23:12:55) Anakisuto: 1 in 100-200 is found
(23:13:57) Topsy Kretts: heh) (
23:14:32) Topsy Kretts: is there some script for selecting color combinations in a shop like this
(23:14:33) Topsy Kretts: is this real?
(23:14:40) Topsy Kretts: some guy mentioned something like that
(23:15:24) Topsy Kretts: it's probably real if only, for example, the check mark lights up when the color combination is correct without refreshing the page, I think
(23:15:25) bars228: try through 1000 combinations?
(23:15:39) Anakisuto: if there is an unlimited number of attempts, then you can write one, yes
(23:15:43) Anakisuto: here, in essence, it's a simple enumeration
(23:16:27) Anakisuto: moreover, as far as I know, in banks, too, a certain system is used to set the color code, something is calculated, I found it once, so as not to lie, I won't say more for now, but I'll find the article and send it later
(23:19:21) Topsy Kretts: did we talk about where to get accounts? sorry if i missed it
(23:19:44) Anakisuto: you can get it from bruteforce.online
(23:19:49) Anakisuto: there are a lot of different ones there
(23:20:01) Anakisuto: ah, well let's move on then
(23:20:12) Topsy Kretts: it seems like there are problems with this shop
(23:20:23) Anakisuto: you can get accounts, you can buy software, you can write software yourself, you can ask for software to be made to order
(23:20:27) Anakisuto: yes? which ones?
(23:20:38) Topsy Kretts: host error
(23:21:03) Topsy Kretts: http://bruteforce.online/
(23:21:37) Anakisuto: ah, well it's still glitching then
(23:21:39) Topsy Kretts: well, not the first day, that is. one of our guys asked Tauris about satoshi, where did it go
(23:21:45) Topsy Kretts: ok
(23:24:39) Anakisuto: well, that's it
(23:24:47) Anakisuto: you can get it from many places, but there were just a lot of them here
(23:25:07) Anakisuto: software is sold correctly on third-party boards, more hacker than carder
(23:25:22) Anakisuto: you can write it yourself on YUBC, Keeper, and also in programming languages
(23:25:28) Anakisuto: if you know about them, then this will be very useful
(23:27:12) bars228: I know about Delphi)
(23:31:15) Topsy Kretts: the best choice to start understanding what accounts are is buying them, I guess?
(23:31:22) Topsy Kretts: I mean buying goods from an account
(23:31:38) Topsy Kretts: more understanding at the moment, regarding clothing)
(23:32:18) hanau16: Maybe someone has a manual for accounts?
(23:32:35) Topsy Kretts: we look for a shop with accounts, we look at what stores it offers, we register there first, we knit CC, we see if we need CVV, if not, then we take accounts and try to buy goods)
(23:33:22) Topsy Kretts: and what manual, bro? in theory, everything is explained)
(23:33:35) Topsy Kretts: at least it is clear how to ship)
(23:34:13) hanau16: Topsy Kretts: Where,,? You know how many subtleties
(23:34:30) Topsy Kretts: I don’t know yet)
(23:34:42) hanau16: Neither do I
(23:34:53) hanau16: I want to know
(23:35:45) Anakisuto: What manual?
(23:36:14) Anakisuto: That’s why I’m asking, are there any questions
(23:36:18) Anakisuto: To answer them
(23:36:22) hanau16: To understand the overall picture. Any
(23:36:37) Anakisuto: Well, what exactly is not clear?
(23:36:43) hanau16: The topic is sooooo big
(23:36:58) hanau16: There are a lot of possibilities
(23:37:05) Cboloch: stop flooding. Questions - to the point! Ask! (
23:37:37) Cboloch: 1. if you have questions about what was said - ask
(23:37:52) Anakisuto: the topic is big and there are many possibilities, but if you are interested in something specific, ask
and otherwise there is definitely no manual for working with accounts
(23:37:59) Cboloch: 2. not ready to voice questions now - think about it, you can always go back to what was said
(23:38:08) Anakisuto: well, yeah
(23:38:12) Anakisuto: plus you can always write in PM
(23:39:01) Topsy Kretts: Which shops can I start with?))
(23:39:08) Topsy Kretts: getting to know the accounts)
(23:39:28) Anakisuto: in practice, I'll give you accounts and you'll see
(23:39:31) Anakisuto: try it
(23:39:34) Anakisuto: but in general
(23:39:35) Topsy Kretts: cool
(23:39:58) Anakisuto: once bruteforce.online works, we'll do one thing
(23:40:07) Anakisuto: choose one for your company and we'll individually analyze it
(23:40:09) Anakisuto: it will be more convenient
(23:40:21) Cboloch: Anakisuto: (Y) (Y) (Y)
(23:40:23) Topsy Kretts: do you remember any other shop with accounts besides him?
(23:42:55) hanau16: And about the distribution - Freebie is worth contacting now
(23:43:28) Cboloch: hanau16: there is no point in hanging out on freebies, but for hands - just to practice - of course
(23:43:49) hanau16: I see
(23:45:04) Anakisuto: there is one, but it is saved on the laptop
(23:45:10) Anakisuto: I'll look later
(23:45:17) Anakisuto: they are just more scattered there, it is inconvenient to watch
(23:45:39) Anakisuto: for those who will ship, I advise you to look towards shops with accounts
(23:45:51) Anakisuto: for those who will merge - towards their own brutes, or purchased ones
(23:45:52) Anakisuto: software
(23:47:10) Anakisuto: another question
, are there anyone interested in talking specifically about software and working with it?
as for the accounts themselves,
we'll either just talk here now
or separately with those who are interested, we'll talk another day, but the logs, of course, we'll throw in the general conversation
(23:47:42) hanau16: +
(23:48:08) Topsy Kretts: yes, I'm interested
(23:48:11) anatoly26: Basically, is it possible to find a log-pass database and a checker for the needed shop?
(23:48:29) Anakisuto: I'll ask the same question about poker, it's an interesting topic, but a real pain in the ass, a fucking pain in the ass,
that's why many people left the January group and I decided to give a lecture to interested people from it and yours,
so write +s if you're interested in software, and +p if you're interested in poker
(23:48:50) Anakisuto: in general yes, anatoly, but it's not that simple
(23:51:14) anatoly26: I'd also like to hear about both topics
(23:51:53) Anakisuto: well, okay
(23:52:31) Topsy Kretts: +s+p )) everything's interesting )
(23:52:41) Anakisuto: let's do a lecture on software tomorrow or the day after, as you prefer, and I'll tell you about database leaks there
(23:52:57) Anakisuto: I wanted to today, but perhaps it’s better to let it all digest, and at the next lecture we’ll just talk more extensively
(23:52:57) Topsy Kretts: + tomorrow
(23:53:04) Sadam: tomorrow+
(23:53:23) Cboloch: always!
(23:53:29) Vovchi: +)))
(23:53:38) anatoly26: Any time of year
(23:53:46) Anakisuto: great
then tomorrow at 8
(23:54:34) Cboloch: there are two options: a) we study b) "work!" .... well, and sometimes you have to remember to sleep... (+ at least have dinner) :-D
(23:55:56) Anakisuto: that's for sure
(23:56:03) Anakisuto: well, this is the last time I’ll ask,
are there any questions?
(23:56:26) Cboloch: did you read what "Marchovsky" wrote in the thread about the courses? :-D I laughed when I read it)
(23:57:10) Topsy Kretts: glad it wasn't a scam?)
(23:57:26) ictus: I will have questions))) after reading the lecture logs, now everything is a bit like a snowball)

(23:57:41) anatoly26: Anakisuto What format is the account you are selling?
(23:57:54) Anakisuto: well then write them in PM, and then I'll add them to the log
(23:57:56) Anakisuto: different formats
(23:57:59) Anakisuto: there is no single one
(23:58:06) Anakisuto: login\mailassword
and info
(23:58:15) Anakisuto: all that can be obtained using the checker
(23:58:23) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: yeah) about the "rip-off")
(23:59:04) Cboloch: "After the first lesson, a happy realization settled in my head: "Thank G-d, this is not a scam. Well, finally!"

I express my gratitude for this wonderful feeling!
"
(23:59:13) Cboloch: xD)
(23:59:24) Vovchi: )))
(23:59:29) hanau16: Here is an example of an account + cc in the chicos.com shop
darkretzs@gmail.com :sailing26x || CardType - Visa || CCExpires - 3/2017
ethantaleen@gmail.com :love1993 || CardType - AmericanExpress || CCExpires - 3/2014
bobbi.swinford@gmail.com :sheryl68 || CardType - Visa || CCExpires - 10/2016
chriscarle@gmail.com :rover1953 || CardType - MasterCard || CCExpires - 11/2018
curiousnoble@gmail.com :butter94 || CardType - AmericanExpress || CCExpires - 1/2015
ejppc@yahoo.com :francisco || CardType - Visa || CCExpires - 10/2016
karen409@yahoo.com :chuckles1 || CardType - Visa || CCExpires - 3/2017
(08.03.2017 0:00:14) hanau16: The deals are probably dead by now
(0:00:42) Anakisuto: first of all, there's nothing much to catch there, and secondly, they used to give instant gifts, but not anymore
(0:00:49) Anakisuto: I have their accounts somewhere
(0:01:00) Cboloch: hanau16: from deals only with the added one if the deal is going on... and the ones on the common fund are dead
(0:01:29) Topsy Kretts: there's only one CC ALIVE in this deal) the rest are gone
(0:01:35) Topsy Kretts: exp date
(0:02:04) Cboloch: big-eyed Topsy) Topsy Kretts
(0:02:05) anatoly26: Anakisuto: we are selecting a tunnel for the zip. So there should definitely be info on the zip or not always?
(0:02:42) hanau16: Topsy Kretts: So you definitely won't be able to keep up with me for another couple of minutes and this CC will be entered somewhere :-D
(0:03:03) Topsy Kretts: :-D
(0:03:33) Topsy Kretts: yes. there are consistently two shops hanging on the checkout. waiting for CC ABOVE
(0:03:37) Topsy Kretts: :-D
(0:04:45) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: that's very true (no joke)
(0:05:15) Topsy Kretts: http://prntscr.com/eh97lf
(0:05:21) Topsy Kretts: :-$
(0:06:12) hanau16: How long can it hang like that?
(0:06:23) Topsy Kretts: yeah Svo once said that there's no point in hanging around at the card input
(0:06:50) Topsy Kretts: waited a minute and entered
(0:07:40) Cboloch: entering (entering the card) takes 40 seconds at most... and there's no point in sitting at the checkout
(0:07:47) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: right
(0:08:06) Anakisuto: no, anatoly, a tunnel for shipping
(0:08:08) Sam_Fisher left the room.
(0:08:28) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: then what do you mean "that's very true"? A motivated old man with a shop, with a basket?
(0:08:50) Cboloch: yes
(0:09:18) hanau16: Is this like warming up?
(0:09:39) Cboloch: no. I don't believe in "warming up" of the shop
(0:10:09) hanau16: They see and probably record it, or?
(0:10:15) anatoly26: Cboloch: I have another question for you, maybe others will also be interested in learning how to test shops, just beat the processing? Let's say bill=ship or something else, I'm interested in details
(0:10:33) Anakisuto: yes, that's the easiest
(0:10:37) Anakisuto: and the least expensive
(0:10:45) Cboloch: I hit both 1800 and 2400 in 10 minutes + 10 minutes (different shops, same grandfather, different cards)
(0:11:07) Topsy Kretts: (Z)
(0:11:43) Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: do you personally often encounter a call or draw?
(0:11:56) Cboloch: anatoly26: your own work remains (not from hands!, but specifically your own) - and you can break through it
(0:12:29) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: 15%
(0:13:38) Cboloch: I'm not interested in doing a draw for a pack less than $400-500, I don't waste time on it
(0:13:59) anatoly26: Cboloch: So we initially enter, set bill=ship, beat the card and look at the result? (
0:14:22) Cboloch: anatoly26: no, here we need to go back to Anakusito's lectures on merch
(0:15:11) anatoly26: Cboloch: I just wanted to know how you check a shop
(0:15:39) Cboloch: I hit live(!) with my own work
(0:16:00) Cboloch: I hit (try to hit) any shop
(0:16:19) Cboloch: the shop's job is to sell, the card's job is to pay
(0:17:06) anatoly26: Cboloch I'm interested in how you deal with this info regarding BIL SHIP
(0:17:40) Cboloch: I'm focusing on working in pickup services
(0:18:27) Cboloch: it's much more difficult to find the mat (both dedicated servers and cardboard), but easier in the rest of the process
(0:20:06) Topsy Kretts: the button finally smelled like money
(0:20:08) Cboloch: as for "pornography", all sorts of bullshit - I send it to myself or to an intermediary without thinking
(0:20:49) anatoly26: Do you do the pickup yourself or do the callers?
(0:21:10) Topsy Kretts: pickup is different)
(0:21:29) Cboloch: no, not myself... my task is to get the track.. I gave the track - the rest doesn't bother me anymore... the rest of the work is done by people from the team
(0:22:13) Cboloch: if a call is needed - I give the info, and the rest is also not my concern
(0:23:44) Cboloch: entering is not done "on the fly" ... first they look at the balance on the card on the last statement .. so that it is clear what is with the card balance ... and how much you can try to enter it
(0:24:12) Cboloch: with a balance of 9,000 no one beats 8,000, it's stupid
(0:25:20) Cboloch: I'm not lazy to beat shops that everyone has heard of ... because what he didn't give to someone is not a fact that he won't give to me ... and - vice versa
(0:25:52) Topsy Kretts: are you buying a mat with a statement?
(0:26:21) Cboloch: I fought for a month with a shop from which a person was "stealing" electronics in front of my eyes for a month... I knew EVERYTHING, bins, how to beat.. but I still couldn't beat him)
(0:26:33) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: no. they'll find out the statement later
(0:27:54) Cboloch: in principle there is a certain informer on the board... on prokrd and promarket.... he's not from the club... he's on his own... but he also does balance checks on cards..... (but this is not advice to contact him, but in general, in principle)
(0:28:25) Topsy Kretts: we took full cards from him, I think
(0:28:30) Topsy Kretts: in practice)
(0:28:46) Cboloch: ah.. well, yes
(0:28:48) Vovchi: I remember your entries as if it were now )) Topsy Kretts
(0:29:32) Topsy Kretts: Vovchi: but I don't really remember. I thought I'd remember the first one forever
(0:29:38) Topsy Kretts: and there are so many of these attempts now
(0:29:42) Cboloch: well, I'll be honest... for me, the ProCrd link is for the person - it's easier for me to understand and vouch for my own than for someone else...
(0:29:43) Topsy Kretts: shit
(0:30:06) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: that's normal)
(0:30:21) Topsy Kretts: :-D
(0:30:40) Topsy Kretts: the main thing is at least 1 order a day. but not always unfortunately. but if they give a tracking number from another order that day - that's also good
(0:30:50) Topsy Kretts: approved order.
(0:31:03) Topsy Kretts: I don't know how to name it correctly
(0:31:06) Topsy Kretts: name it))
(0:31:32) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: that's right.... now if you haven't deleted the file...
(0:32:42) Cboloch: http://prntscr.com/eh9kg0
(0:33:33) Cboloch: these are orders, tracks received (ALL) for a little more than a month
(0:33:50) Cboloch: December + part of November
(0:34:38) Cboloch: that's why every day (correct Topsy Kretts) should be a working day
(0:35:08) Cboloch: this is what was purely going into itself...
(0:36:11) Topsy Kretts: great. I also started keeping track of my stats in Excel
(0:36:18) Topsy Kretts: the notebooks are fucking awesome))
(0:36:27) Topsy Kretts: Svo worked really well))
(0:38:27) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: this is the level of the first... well, maybe the second class ((((... we need to strive for more
(0:39:00) Topsy Kretts: do you manage to earn a living?
(0:39:10) Topsy Kretts: an exciting question
(0:39:17) Cboloch: I like to provoke people) and I like when they provoke me))) it gives me anger and a surge of strength)
(0:39:18) Topsy Kretts: because I only do this
(0:39:28) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: I also ONLY do this)
(0:39:55) Cboloch: I eat instant noodles, drink beer from eggplants) in general - like EVERYONE
(0:40:02) Topsy Kretts: I saw your beer
(0:40:41) Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: let them do their own homework) I gave all the tips) (0:41:17) ictus: in Excel, a notebook is
definitely crap to keep track of your affairs , it's only worth using at the start, if you take your business seriously, Excel is the only one
(0:44:23) Cboloch: hanau16: well yeah... the topic was starting out not bad.. until Bolych came and scolded the idiot from the end of the topic.....
(0:44:53) Cboloch: so, brothers...
(0:44:57) Cboloch: 1. prepare questions
(0:45:06) Cboloch: 2. voice them in the topic
(0:45:12) Cboloch: 3. save logs
(0:45:32) Cboloch: Thanks to the lecturer!)
(21:07:07) Anakisuto: before we begin
(21:07:15) Anakisuto: does anyone have any questions about the last lecture?
(21:10:11) Anakisuto: does this mean there are no questions or that it takes time?
(21:11:36) Topsy Kretts: I haven't tried to use the knowledge given to me yet
(21:11:40) Topsy Kretts: knowledge
(21:12:28) anatoly26: Most likely, questions will appear immediately before or after practice
(21:13:12) Anakisuto: Well, yeah, that's quite logical
(21:30:00) Anakisuto: In the last lecture, we talked about using brute accounts (21:30:07) Anakisuto: Now let's talk about where to get them from
(21:30:13) Anakisuto: The easiest way is to buy
(21:31:07) Anakisuto: But, as a rule, accounts are sold either from large shops, or like in bruteforce.online, there are a lot of shops for which the author has brute accounts, but there is usually no log as such and it is difficult to understand before buying what is included in this account
(21:31:31) Anakisuto: in general, the range of accounts for sale is limited by both the author's need to sell them and the demand for them
(21:31:44) Anakisuto: and it can hardly be said that excessively high demand is good in this case
(21:32:59) Anakisuto: well, and I think that it is not necessary to specify that no one sells accounts with the balance of certain offices
(21:33:13) Anakisuto: they sell, or rather, but if there are any problems with the withdrawal
(21:36:01) Anakisuto: so the only option here is to get the program itself, which will bruteforce and check accounts for our shop
(21:36:54) Anakisuto: here you can either order it from a coder for various amounts (from 200 rubles on Keeper or YBC to 1500+ on Delphi and Si)
(21:41:36) Anakisuto: or learn to write it yourself
(21:41:58) Anakisuto: how any brute checker works in essence:
(21:43:10) Anakisuto: it takes a post request from an authorization page
and pushes there the log\mail\nomass post data from our database
(21:43:22) Anakisuto: it does this in several threads using a proxy
(21:44:06) Anakisuto: there are some good tutorials on keeper, so if you sit down, you can learn to write brute checkers there, there are also tutorials on ubc, but they are scarce
(21:44:14) Anakisuto: nevertheless, you can figure it out there too
(21:44:27) Anakisuto: in general, what is private keeper and ubc?
(21:44:49) Anakisuto: these are platforms for writing your own brutes and using third-party projects written EXACTLY on this platform
(21:45:45) Anakisuto: both keeper and ubc are distributed in the form of a license,
I will not compare them with each other, nor with c\delphi
(21:45:50) Anakisuto: here it all depends on the hands
(21:46:06) Anakisuto: someone writes brute checkers for eBay on keeper, and someone else's program for eBay written in c works crap
(21:49:03) Anakisuto: on the one hand, it all sounds pretty rosy, right?
(21:50:24) Topsy Kretts: ok)
(21:50:34) Anakisuto: and in general everything is so
(21:50:36) Anakisuto: but
(21:51:04) Anakisuto: services with 500 visitors per month, for example, are not suitable
(21:51:17) Anakisuto: because the probability that you will find something there from all the variety of databases is low
(21:51:49) Anakisuto: but there are also advantages in
addition to brute\checkers there are regcheckers
they help to sharpen the database for certain services in general
(21:52:00) Anakisuto: that is, for shops, gaming offices, bitcoin offices, money offices
(21:52:01) Anakisuto: and so on
(21:52:07) Anakisuto: how does it work
(21:52:37) Anakisuto: a regchecker is written for 1-2 large services
, that is, for example, a regchecker for ASOS sharpens the base for shops, a regchecker for Steam (roughly speaking) sharpens the base for games
(21:52:40) Anakisuto: and so on
(21:53:04) Anakisuto: okay,
we chose a service, made\bought a brute for it, what's next? how to work with it?
(21:56:20) Anakisuto: guys, let's decide, is the topic unclear to someone or simply not interesting? both can be solved, just let me know
(21:56:24) Anakisuto: otherwise it's somehow very quiet
(21:57:05) Topsy Kretts: for example, I realized that your questions are the presentation of the material, after which an answer from you will follow)
(21:57:10) anatoly26: Everything is fine, just first the lecture then the questions, if you need us to answer, you say so
(21:57:14) Sadam: I don’t know about the others, but personally I don’t understand because I’ve never had anything to do with Brutus
(21:57:15) Vovchi: interesting, but it seems to me that only super smart people can do it )
(21:57:42) bars228: Vovchi: it's easier than it seems)
(21:57:57) Topsy Kretts: bought brute force - need to find a base )
(21:58:05) Topsy Kretts: email/logass
(21:58:12) Vovchi: bars228: bars228 if I can't do it then it's Bars's fault))
(21:58:36) Cboloch: Vovchi: bars228 respect
(21:58:39) Anakisuto: okay, well first of all let's go back to the mechanism to clarify any misunderstandings
(21:58:48) bars228: Of course, we'll all make millions)
(21:59:01) Anakisuto: Sadam, what you don't understand is the mechanism, or the goal, and what exactly?
(21:59:20) Anakisuto: in other words, what should you focus on at the moment?
(21:59:29) Sadam: the mechanism is unclear
(21:59:45) Anakisuto: okay
(21:59:55) Anakisuto: so, we go to any site where there is a personal account
(22:00:01) hanau16: Hello everyone.
(22:00:12) Anakisuto: it always has a so-called authorization form, this is the area where we enter the login and password
(22:00:34) anatoly26: hanau16: hi
(22:01:21) Anakisuto: we have databases of the type Mail\login\number ass
that is, for example, cboloch@mail.ru :qwerty or cboloch:qwerty or +79862573578:qwerty
(22:01:32) Anakisuto: the brute force's task is to run each line of this database in this authorization form
(22:01:44) Anakisuto: in other words, enter the loginassword from each such line
(22:03:08) hanau16: Sorry I'm late.
(22:03:23) Anakisuto: no big deal
(22:03:48) Anakisuto: that's actually why we need it for successful work:
the brute force itself - the database - the proxy
(22:03:59) Sadam: Anakisuto: got it
(22:04:17) Anakisuto: so think about it, if you're going to type 100-200-1000 login-password combinations from one IP address, then it's clear that the IP address will just be blocked
(22:04:21) Anakisuto: that's what proxies are for
(22:05:07) Anakisuto:
now that's it, as for the databases
(22:05:27) Sadam: Anakisuto: thank you)
(22:06:04) Anakisuto: don't be shy about asking anything, that's why we're here, and we don't have any time limits no
(22:06:47) Sadam: Anakisuto: where can I find these citizens who write and sell these programs?
(22:06:47) Anakisuto: there are countless databases, seriously, last year alone I had more than 50 million lines on my hard drive, and I haven't been doing brute-force for a whole year
(22:07:26) Anakisuto: mostly on hacking forums, but ads have started appearing on carding forums as well
(22:07:34) Anakisuto: We'll talk about contacts later at the end
(22:07:50) Anakisuto: Why are there so many bases?
(22:08:05) Anakisuto: because they are merged from different sites
(22:08:12) Anakisuto: from a huge number of sites
(22:08:40) Anakisuto: large and not so large
(22:08:47) Anakisuto: this brings us to the question of where to get the databases
(22:08:50) Anakisuto: you can buy them
(22:08:51) Anakisuto: or you can merge them
(22:09:11) Anakisuto: as for the prices, it is from 100 rubles to 1800 for about 100k
(22:09:25) Anakisuto: the databases vary in quality, it is impossible to judge this right away, but what is important
(22:09:42) Anakisuto: databases can be private, public, and valid, invalid
(22:09:49) Anakisuto: private are those databases that are not publicly available
(22:09:55) Anakisuto: public, of course, exists
(22:10:34) Anakisuto: valid are those databases where Mail ass is suitable for mail
(22:10:52) Anakisuto: that is, we can log in to mail under the same login and the same password
(22:10:55) Anakisuto: is this point clear?
(22:12:17) Anakisuto: Sbol, Sadam?
(22:12:27) Topsy Kretts: valid databases are probably honey)
(22:12:28) Anakisuto: this is just a pretty important point, I'll explain why
(22:12:33) Anakisuto: right
(22:12:37) Cboloch: (I'll stand aside)
(22:13:19) Anakisuto: if we don't have access to a valid database, then we lose two options:
1. delete the letter from the shop if we made an order from an account
2. confirm the withdrawal of funds if we are talking about a company with a withdrawal
(22:13:42) Anakisuto: 1 can be bypassed by flooding the mail
(22:13:44) Topsy Kretts: today I saw that the first can be solved by flooding)
(22:13:47) Topsy Kretts: oh) ok
(22:13:49) Anakisuto: There's no way to get around 2, only with the help of C
(22:13:52) Anakisuto: Yes, that's right
(22:14:03) Anakisuto: C in the sense of social engineering
(22:14:20) Anakisuto: Well, or you can ask someone to hack the mail, if there is a large sum hanging there
(22:14:26) Anakisuto: But here you have to be careful
(22:14:27) Topsy Kretts: I often see the word C, but is this just a conversation to start?
(22:14:46) Anakisuto: it seems so at first glance
(22:14:53) Cboloch: SI - social engineering
(22:14:57) Topsy Kretts: I mean in simple words SI
(22:15:15) anatoly26: to persuade in a simple way
(22:15:17) Anakisuto: in fact, this is a very extensive set of methods that allows you to a) gain the trust of the listener b) extract information\money\service from him
(22:15:19) Anakisuto: yes
(22:15:22) Anakisuto: rather persuade
(22:15:45) hanau16: Topsy Kretts: This is an art
(22:15:46) Cboloch: "to fall for" (colloquial) - to persuade (Russian)
(22:16:03) Anakisuto: then
where to get proxies?
here, without a doubt, only by buying
they are definitely somehow obtained, but I don't know, because it's very difficult
(22:16:24) Topsy Kretts: here we are also talking about socks? SOx5? or is it HTTP
(22:16:42) Anakisuto: both
(22:16:46) Anakisuto: but those socks that are for carzh
(22:16:48) Anakisuto: and those that are for brute force
(22:16:50) Anakisuto: not the same thing
(22:17:03) Anakisuto: for carzh you take single private socks, and for brute force you take whole sheets
(22:17:43) Anakisuto: they are used not only by you, this is the difference from private socks, but not the whole world either) but it already depends on the price of the proxy
(22:18:14) Anakisuto: that is, good-proxies.ru offers a fuckton of proxies, both socks and HTTP, but they are cheap. and that's why a lot of people use them
(22:18:21) Anakisuto: if you're the only one brute-forcing the service, then there's no problem
(22:18:23) Anakisuto: these will do too
(22:18:55) Topsy Kretts: ideally, you'd want to have as many proxies as you do accounts in the database?!)
(22:18:56) Anakisuto: but if it's a big service that you and 100+ other people brute-force, then most likely it will end with you having a nervous breakdown because of captchas and shitty speed
(22:19:17) Anakisuto: no, that doesn't make sense, since the lists are updated periodically
(22:19:27) Anakisuto: that is, you buy proxies, but they are updated as they break down
(22:19:57) Anakisuto: let's say 100,000, of course 5 proxies are not enough, but 7-8-15k is just right
(22:20:30) Anakisuto: due to multi-threaded connections and mixing of proxies, the shop or office does not ban them
(22:21:52) Topsy Kretts: ok
(22:22:10) Anakisuto: there are proxies for 100 bucks a week, this is the other extreme, but for some services it is ideal
(22:23:33) Anakisuto: in general, if you decide to do this, then you will see everything from experience pretty quickly, what. in what form and in what quantity you will need
(22:23:48) Anakisuto: well, and of course, you can count on my support for all questions
(22:24:19) Anakisuto: give me 10 minutes to digest the information and I will tell you a little about draining databases, and then I will summarize it all and push you in the right direction
(22:27:51) Topsy Kretts: and merge from another shop? or from this one? or both are possible
(22:29:33) Anakisuto: in general it is possible, but here you need much more than automated programs and so on
ideally you need to read the site code like a book
(22:29:36) Anakisuto: this can be achieved
(22:30:05) Anakisuto: merge from different sites of others
(22:30:11) Topsy Kretts: got it)
(22:30:26) Anakisuto: now I'll explain why, actually, this happens
(22:30:30) Anakisuto: in 5 minutes)
(22:40:04) Anakisuto: so
(22:40:17) Anakisuto: websites have a number of types of vulnerabilities
(22:41:03) Anakisuto: XSS, SQL, LFI, CSRF
(22:41:07) Anakisuto: we're interested in SQL
(22:41:08) Anakisuto: why?
(22:41:23) Anakisuto: because working with this type of vulnerability is automated
(22:44:32) Anakisuto: with XSS to some extent too, moreover, there are more opportunities to further harass a specific site
(22:44:57) Anakisuto: but we will analyze SQL for now
(22:46:28) Anakisuto: in general, the work process looks like this:
we need to create dorks (a certain search query) - using a parser, parse links for this query - check them for possible vulnerability (and exactly in the form in which the link was parsed) - introduce vulnerability - drain the database - decrypt
(22:46:32) Anakisuto: it all looks scary
(22:46:37) Anakisuto: well, that is a little scary, yes
(22:46:54) Anakisuto: but steps 2, 3, 4, 5 in general, they are automated
(22:47:10) Anakisuto: and 1 and 6 are worth making an effort
(22:47:18) Anakisuto: is that clear?
(22:47:28) Anakisuto: for those who are interested in the database leak, I will make a detailed manual to make it clearer
(22:48:09) hanau16: Of course it is interesting
(22:48:37) Topsy Kretts: well, how clear.. a lot of new, unexplored. hacking)
(22:49:01) Anakisuto: besides databases, you can also leak map data, by the way
(22:49:14) Anakisuto: here the entire foundation of what you will leak is laid at the first stage
(22:49:15) Anakisuto: on dorks
(22:50:17) Anakisuto: most likely we will do it this way, I will make a manual for each stage, I will combine some, and then we will analyze all this in detail, just to make it clear
(22:50:40) Topsy Kretts: yes, it is very convenient for perception, IMHO
(22:52:40) anatoly26: Anakisuto: You tell it nicely. Will there be more lectures?
(22:55:21) Anakisuto: yes, from my side there will be another lecture on poker, practical on accounts and a big lecture for those who want to get into draining
(22:55:24) Anakisuto: as for directions
(22:55:29) Anakisuto: brute force opens up a lot of them
(22:56:50) anatoly26: Anakisuto: You talked about a stick and searching for bins at the beginning of training, will it be?
(22:57:51) Anakisuto: 1. buy brute force from a well-known large service and sell its accounts
2. buy brute force from a well-known large service and practice on its accounts yourself, thereby finding an approach to it
3. drain bases and sell them
4. make brute force attacks on non-standard companies (like those that pour traffic) and provide services
5. brute force services like VK, Facebook, Instagram and sell to buyers
6. brute force money services and just drain your money
(22:57:56) Anakisuto: yes, it will be on the stick
(22:57:59) Anakisuto: but I won’t be leading
(22:58:03) Anakisuto: Vitalka)
(22:59:44) Anakisuto: as for bins, everything is simple:
take a bin, go to cc.nampro.com, generate a card number, paste it into https://verified.visa.com/aam/activation/landingPage.aam or https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/consumers/payment-technologies/securecode/securecode-sign-up.html
(22:59:46) Anakisuto: voila
(23:01:02) anatoly26: http://prntscr.com/ehzs3h nampro
(23:01:22) Anakisuto: https://cc.namsopro.com/
(23:01:33) Anakisuto: confused
(23:05:01) anatoly26: Anakisuto: Great site, thanks
(23:05:43) Anakisuto: so
are there any questions about all the above material?
(23:06:28) hanau16: Is it worth buying privat brut soft?
(23:07:17) hanau16: How long does the software last?
(23:07:21) Anakisuto: definitely, but you should do it wisely,
don't buy services you don't know what to do with
(23:07:32) Anakisuto: private software lasts a long time, since the coder is obliged to update it
(23:07:47) Anakisuto: but how often he will do it is a question
(23:08:45) hanau16: As a post
(23:09:17) Anakisuto: public works, of course, less
and not so much the software, but the service itself
(23:09:37) hanau16: I see
(23:12:56) Anakisuto: I'll be here for about 15 minutes
(23:13:01) Anakisuto: so ask if there is anything else
(23:15:11) Topsy Kretts: to sell accounts of a large service
1) merge / buy any soap/pass databases
2) buy brute force + checker for this service
(23:15:11) Topsy Kretts: uh-huh?)
(23:28:18) Anakisuto: yes
(23:28:19) Anakisuto: exactly
(23:28:22) Anakisuto: well, and a proxy

Practice parser

[19:51:15] <Anakisuto> we're waiting for everyone, I'll throw in the man now, we'll discuss it right away, until everyone understands
[19:53:43] <anatoly26> Fucking chase http://prntscr.com/emqne4
[19:54:02] <bars228> you can't get in like that
[19:54:16] <bars228> it's only for knitting a stick
[19:54:27] <anatoly26> Got it?
[19:54:54] <anatoly26> I have ssn and dob, map and CH data, what should I do?
[19:55:10] <Topsy Kretts> no access to mail or mob)
[19:55:15] <bars228> ah, I thought it was BA
[19:55:30] <anatoly26> This is a half-roll
[19:55:31] <bars228> although it seems to be all together
[19:55:42] <bars228> throw it out) who rolls chases?
[19:56:00] <anatoly26> Who knew
[19:56:56] <bars228> I told you, watch the small banks
[19:58:17] <Topsy Kretts> fuck, I can't get around to making a role-playing game
[20:02:02] <bars228> first I bought it for $50, but it died from being typed in
[20:02:18] <bars228> it's better to do it yourself)
[20:02:33] <Topsy Kretts> wow
[20:02:41] <Anakisuto> manual on the cloud,
password procrd
[20:02:49] <Topsy Kretts> let's go
[20:05:49] <Topsy Kretts> should we test the software right away or will we do it together
[20:07:12] <Anakisuto> I'm all about the software I'll send it now, study it first and we'll start
[20:07:32] <Topsy Kretts> ok
[20:11:25] <bars228> I read it, everything is clear in theory) I tried to do it before, it worked but very weakly, probably because of public dorks
[20:18:48] <Anakisuto> threw the software
[20:20:01] <Anakisuto> http://dropmefiles.com/0A5ED
dorks
[20:20:12] <Topsy Kretts> I read it, the topic is new, I need to do it and understand at the same time
[20:22:01] <Vovchi> I'm still reading but already in my account
[20:22:18] <Anakisuto>
you'll understand everything
[20:22:27] <Vovchi> ))
[20:23:36] <Topsy Kretts> I'll run ahead. I'm a little confused.
[20:23:56] <Topsy Kretts> do we need these logpass databases to have our own valid accounts for brute forcing into other shops?

[20:24:28] <Anakisuto> yes, to brute force accounts with a shop with these databases
[20:25:09] <Anakisuto> but regarding dorks, you can apply them not only here
[20:25:23] <Topsy Kretts> that is, the theme of dorks should be chosen similar to the future shop for brute
[20:25:40] <hanau16> So what software should we install?
[20:27:08] <Anakisuto> well yes, not with a specific shop, but shops in general
[20:27:15] <Anakisuto> more general, that is, the topic
[20:27:18] <Anakisuto> yes, install
[20:27:45] <hanau16> should I turn off the antivirus?
[20:32:30] <Anakisuto> yeah, definitely
[20:32:39] <Anakisuto> better throw these programs in exceptions altogether
[20:33:59] <hanau16> SQLi Dumper asks for password to extract from rar
[20:35:04] <bars228> +
[20:35:26] <Anakisuto> oh, damn
[20:35:27] <Anakisuto> right now
[20:37:09] <Topsy Kretts> judging by the man - proxies will be needed. for the time being, what to do? as of today
[20:37:28] <Topsy Kretts> I tried to collect proxies from sites like freeproxy for brute force
[20:37:39] <Topsy Kretts> but I still don't understand whether they let me down or not))) because I got zero good
[20:37:42] <Topsy Kretts> :-D
[20:38:04] <bars228> http://awmproxy.com/freeproxy.php
[20:39:26] <hanau16> Will the Amazon ones work?
[20:39:34] <bars228> Topsy Kretts: if it throws in good-bad then it's ok, but if there are only errors - crap
[20:39:50] <Topsy Kretts> bars228: ok thanks
[20:39:58] <bars228> does Amazon have a proxy?
[20:40:13] <Anakisuto> hat
[20:40:15] <Anakisuto> password
[20:40:22] <Anakisuto> I'll send you the proxy
[20:41:42] <Anakisuto> http://80.78.251.153/?controller=api&hwid=b94809ca525be355c8201140a0a94250
does this link work?
[20:42:00] <anatoly26> http://prntscr.com/emrbaq
[20:42:08] <hanau16> Syas Anakisuto {"status":"err","code":"api","message":"Invalid physical user ID. Please regenerate the API key","data":null}
[20:42:20] <Anakisuto> oh, wait a minute
[20:42:43] <Topsy Kretts> +
[20:43:07] <Anakisuto> http://dropmefiles.com/irBTH
[20:43:10] <Anakisuto> http proxy
[20:43:36] <hanau16> Here's the Amazon manual
[20:43:38] <Anakisuto> average shit, but will do for this
[20:44:37] <Topsy Kretts> thanks
[20:49:50] <hanau16> there is no "key.txt" file for Searcher
[20:52:08] <Topsy Kretts> let's make dorks in one program?
[20:52:40] <Topsy Kretts> Anakisuto, which of the three)
but I once got acquainted with dumper, I have an idea of how it works
[20:52:46] <Topsy Kretts> the first one on the screen?
[20:53:04] <Topsy Kretts> topsy
[20:53:06] <Topsy Kretts> gg
[20:57:10] <Anakisuto> right now, guys
[20:57:31] <Anakisuto> choose any of the two programs that I took apart, I didn't even bother to throw in the third one, it's very limited
[20:57:58] <Anakisuto> key file is in the main folder
[20:58:43] <Anakisuto> MDRhZWQxNmRkMWZkZjcwMjhmNzVkYTM4ZWZlNThjYzcwMTgwYjY4Y2QyY2QyZDMyNjM3MWM5MGQ4MDI5NWI5Mzk4NG JiODNhODM4MjZkMGY4OGFiNDFjZDk4MzJiYWJhOWI4YWIwZmY5ZjQxOGM4MjA0MzJhZmUzMTFjYzZkNTI=
[20:58:43] <hanau16> Anakisuto: Ok
[20:58:44] <Anakisuto> here is the key
[20:59:22] <anatoly26> Password for pdf?
[20:59:31] <Topsy Kretts> procrd
[21:00:27] <bars228> http://prntscr.com/emrkby
[21:00:37] <bars228> where do I put dorks here?)
[21:00:49] <Anakisuto> source
[21:01:00] <bars228> ok, I see
[21:01:15] <bars228> and the proxy?
[21:01:21] <Anakisuto> Proxy
[21:01:57] <Topsy Kretts> damn, it won't start tonight
[21:02:01] <Topsy Kretts> :-O
[21:02:07] <bars228> ahh, those are buttons,Holy shit I'm blind)
[21:02:59] <Anakisuto> It won't start?
[21:03:03] <Anakisuto> why?
[21:03:40] <Anakisuto> what does it say?
[21:03:46] <Topsy Kretts> just empty. after double click
[21:03:49] <Anakisuto> why are the others silent?
[21:03:49] <Topsy Kretts> I'll reboot
[21:03:52] <Anakisuto> is your antivirus turned on?
[21:04:01] <Topsy Kretts> it was turned on! added to whitelist
[21:04:05] <Topsy Kretts> but probably it ate somehow
[21:04:07] <bars228> http://prntscr.com/emrm6w for some reason only gives errors
[21:04:15] <Topsy Kretts> Bars, don't step on the gas))))))))) [
21:04:19] <Topsy Kretts> :-D
[21:04:35] <Topsy Kretts> turned off the anti-virus, unzipped it again
[21:04:38] <Anakisuto> are you sure the proxy is ok?
[21:04:39] <Topsy Kretts> won't turn on
[21:04:44] <hanau16> bars228: Where did you get the log and password for Searcher,?
[21:04:47] <Anakisuto> bars
[21:04:50] <Anakisuto> no need for log pass there
[21:05:11] <bars228> wcm?
[21:05:44] <hanau16> Anakisuto: http://prntscr.com/emrmz0
[21:05:55] <bars228> write whatever you want there
[21:06:01] <bars228> it's a crack
[21:06:03] <Topsy Kretts> Anakisuto: can you send me the standard "parts 2 and 3" in text form??
[21:06:24] <Anakisuto> write any login and key from the file
[21:06:28] <Anakisuto> or rather from the conversation
[21:06:30] <Anakisuto> I posted above
[21:06:34] <Anakisuto> bars. are the proxies definitely working?
[21:06:44] <bars228> yeah
[21:06:55] <Anakisuto> maybe the cracked version is just shitty, idk, I use the official one
if it keeps throwing in errors, try bing instead of yahoo
[21:07:15] <bars228> damn, I wrote the wrong key..
[21:07:19] <bars228> how to fix it?
[21:07:25] <bars228> probably because of this
[21:07:26] <Topsy Kretts> maybe unzip it again
[21:07:56] <Anakisuto>

.do?=
.php?=
.jsp?=
.asp?=
.pl?=
.cfm?=
.html?=
.p?=
.c?=
.aspx?=
.htm?=
.do?=
.htm?=
term=
iid=
m=
cite=
idn=
game=
view=
lang=
url=
l=
itemnumber=
gid=
hubId=
ReturnUrl=
start=
post=
vid=
id=
skuId=
mp3=
f=
Certificate=
category=
ID=
spage=
app=
type=
s=
___store=
mingleforumaction=
sClass=
go=
idd=
TOPIC_ID=
query=
t=
locale2=
portfolio=
isbn=
sl=
origin=
p=
item=
pv=
id_product=
variant=
hl=
lnk=
attachment_id=
cmd=
page=
ajax=
topic=
parentCat=
nodeId=
display=
category_id=
tid=
q=
_mwBanner=
c=
title=
productId=
c_id=
storyId=
nosplash=
mid=
pfmredir=
action=
ArtNum=
var=
i=
nr=
noc=
fq=
jnm=
uri=
option=
affil=
listingId=
products_id=
term=
products_id=

[21:07:59] <Anakisuto> try these, topsy
[21:08:07] <Topsy Kretts> thanks
[21:08:08] <Anakisuto> just don't forget to put spaces after exactly

[20:24:21] *** WHO changes topic to: Enroll

[21:08:13] <Anakisuto> or empty space, if you use the lower program
[21:08:22] <Anakisuto> no, bars, that's definitely not the issue, it's a crack
[21:08:33] <Anakisuto> try installing more yahoo pages and fewer threads
[21:08:52] <Anakisuto> if that doesn't work, then parse through dumper, or use bing searcher
[21:08:58] <bars228> ok
[21:09:15] <Vovchi> Who else has had their blood pressure rise? Does everyone understand and do it, or am I the only one?
[21:09:38] <Topsy Kretts> bro, I hardly understand
[21:09:42] <Topsy Kretts> just following the manual for now
[21:11:01] <Topsy Kretts> damn, here's the first column
[21:11:03] <Topsy Kretts> we'll come up with it ourselves
[21:11:46] <Topsy Kretts> I don't understand yet what needs to be put there
[21:13:14] <Topsy Kretts>
shoes
watches
sorts
[21:13:15] <Anakisuto> go to translator.ru
[21:13:17] <Topsy Kretts> is that it)?
[21:13:19] <Anakisuto> ah, yeah
[21:13:37] <Anakisuto> list there in English all the brands of shoes you know
[21:13:37] <Topsy Kretts> and how many lines should I write?
[21:13:38] <Anakisuto> clothes
[21:13:40] <Anakisuto> watches
[21:13:42] <Anakisuto> and other stuff like that
[21:13:46] <Anakisuto> whatever you can remember
[21:13:51] <Topsy Kretts> ok
[21:14:28] <bars228> http://prntscr.com/emrqx7 seems to work with bing
http://prntscr.com/emrrag are these supposed to be the links?
[21:14:47] <Anakisuto> anyway, once we figure out the databases, I advise everyone to buy the Keeper license, because there are a lot of free projects for it, first of all, and I will throw in some when I write something new, well, that's for the future
[21:15:13] <Anakisuto> hmm
[21:15:17] <Topsy Kretts> good))
[21:15:26] <Anakisuto> put 100 pages
[21:15:31] <Anakisuto> some strange links
[21:15:47] <bars228> oh, now there are normal ones
[21:15:49] <bars228> and already 300
[21:15:58] <Anakisuto> good
[21:16:02] <Topsy Kretts> Anakisuto: spaces can be
[21:16:05] <Topsy Kretts> in the first column
[21:16:05] <Topsy Kretts> ?
[21:16:08] <bars228> are these already vulnerable sites or not ?)
[21:16:21] <Anakisuto> no, you don't need to, you need to put them in the last one
[21:16:22] <Anakisuto> no
[21:16:28] <Anakisuto> these are just links found on dorks
[21:16:44] <Anakisuto> then you need to dump them, as described in the man
[21:16:48] <bars228> there aren't enough of them
[21:17:01] <bars228> okay, I'll wait then
[21:17:24] <bars228> by the way, it launched on socks5
[21:17:51] <Anakisuto> well, I sent my http as an example, because they're the only ones I have right now without an IP link
[21:18:20] <Topsy Kretts> and the fourth column
[21:18:29] <Topsy Kretts> there's something cool in it
[21:18:33] <Topsy Kretts> I put brands in the first one
[21:18:38] <Topsy Kretts> what should I put in the fourth one to improve it?
[21:18:45] <Anakisuto> fourth is either a space or nothing, in this case nothing is better
[21:19:05] <Topsy Kretts> oh yeah, I already did the spaces
[21:21:06] <Topsy Kretts> textutilpak - randomize from the control menu?
[21:21:43] <Topsy Kretts> dorks are ready. I'm rebooting! secher doesn't work
[21:22:09] <Topsy Kretts> http://prntscr.com/emrv77 - right?
[21:22:19] <Topsy Kretts> 317 kilobytes! this is not the whole list
[21:23:06] <Anakisuto> from context, yes
[21:23:06] <Anakisuto> just wait, now
[21:23:07] <Topsy Kretts> here
[21:23:37] <Anakisuto> I uploaded the second part incorrectly, I didn't pay attention
[21:23:41] <Anakisuto> there are no equal signs needed there
[21:24:16] <Anakisuto> and spaces after them, "=" only in the third
[21:24:22] <Anakisuto> it's strange that it was copied like that
[21:25:28] <Topsy Kretts> should I leave questions?
[21:26:43] <Anakisuto> yes
[21:28:09] <Topsy Kretts>

reebok.cfm?mingleforumaction=
timberland.jsp?pv=
ugg.do?productId=
fila.jsp?uri=
fila.do?mp3=
swatch.html?mp3=
swatch.htm?idd=
lacoste.htm?mid=
lacoste.asp?products_id=
adidas.do?nodeId=
.do?var=
fila.jsp?Certificate=
lacoste.asp?page=
puma.jsp?category=
timberland.jsp?sl=
calvin.c?sClass=
newbalance.html?app=
timberland.htm?p=
converse.cfm?start=
puma.htm?view=
fila.htm?productId=
swatch.php?hubId=
puma.asp?c_id=
rayban.aspx?Certificate=
rayban.aspx?idn=
fila.do?start=
calvin.html?ReturnUrl=
calvin.c?fq=
rayban.asp?cmd=
ugg.jsp?i=
lacoste.cfm?___store=
newbalance.php?l=
.do?mp3=
puma.do?q=

[21:28:20] <Topsy Kretts> now like this
[21:30:30] <Anakisuto> well, that's better, but not enough
mix with the ones I threw in above
[21:33:57] <Topsy Kretts> that's not all bro
[21:34:07] <Topsy Kretts> 317 kb of text in total
[21:34:08] <Topsy Kretts> I don't know how many lines
[21:34:19] <Topsy Kretts> 14k combinations I think
[21:34:26] <Topsy Kretts> maybe I'm stealing
[21:34:27] <Topsy Kretts> )
[21:35:08] <Anakisuto> awesome
[21:35:08] <Topsy Kretts> throw me a link with proxies please.
[21:35:10] <Topsy Kretts> no history
[21:35:41] <Anakisuto> (20:43:17) Anakisuto: http://dropmefiles.com/irBTH
(20:43:20) Anakisuto: http proxy
[21:35:53] <Topsy Kretts> yeah, it's a scam. won't start in the evening
[21:35:57] <Topsy Kretts> there's just nothing after double-clicking
[21:36:05] <Topsy Kretts> no antivirus. I tried compatibility (
[21:36:18] <Topsy Kretts> maybe the anti-virus snagged it during the download. I'll redownload it
[21:36:28] <Anakisuto> try downloading the archive again, unpack it and run it
[21:39:24] <Topsy Kretts> nope - nothing
[21:39:27] <Topsy Kretts> I'll try it on the dedicated server now
[21:39:36] <Topsy Kretts> ah! it's multi-threaded, right
[21:39:38] <Topsy Kretts> the dedicated server won't give it to me)
[21:41:59] <Topsy Kretts> strange. redownloaded and won't start on mine or my grandfather
[21:42:06] <Topsy Kretts> :-D I'll do some magic now
[21:43:08] <Anakisuto> strange thing
[21:43:22] <Anakisuto> how are the others doing?
[21:44:55] <Anakisuto> iktus, sadam, hanau, vovci, chachak? what do you have?
[21:46:08] <hanau16> Gsnf.cm gj vfyefke
[21:46:23] <Vovchi> I personally don't have it, I downloaded this http://prntscr.com/ems5r6 , I don't know what else to install
[21:46:29] <hanau16> I'm trying to follow the manual, it's difficult
[21:46:50] <hanau16> but we'll get through it
[21:46:54] <Anakisuto> hanau, vovchi, let's go step by step
[21:47:00] <Anakisuto> what exactly is not clear?
[21:47:29] <Anakisuto> vovchi, you need to generate dorks here
[21:47:34] <Anakisuto> hanau, what are you having trouble with?
[21:47:47] <hanau16> it's clear from the dumper, but
[21:48:46] <Vovchi> which of these should I install http://prntscr.com/ems879 I only have one...
[21:49:43] <hanau16> Searcheker my left side panel is sliding and it's getting on two screens
[21:49:45] <Anakisuto> vovchi, first work with the dorks. and then install searcher
[21:55:23] <Anakisuto> bars, how are you?
hanau,send me a screenshot
of the wolf, how are you?
[21:55:56] <hanau16> http://prntscr.com/emscck
[21:56:21] <bars228> I'm still looking for 4k
[21:56:25] <Anakisuto> if for some reason it is more convenient for someone to write in PM, write in PM
[21:56:26] <Anakisuto> ok
[21:56:37] <hanau16> Ok
[21:56:53] <Anakisuto> oh, ok, scan
[21:56:56] <Anakisuto> *scans
[21:57:57] <hanau16> Anakisuto: It's really hard for me to get it right away, so I'll figure it out slowly and ask questions along the way
[21:58:06] <Anakisuto> no problem
[21:58:10] <Vovchi> Anakisuto: I don't know what to write in the third and fourth parts
[21:59:39] <Anakisuto> in the third part, that I'm taller threw, spaces in the fourth
[21:59:46] <Anakisuto> for the future I wrote where to get them from, in the manual
[22:05:27] <Anakisuto> after each work with the dumper I recommend throwing unnecessary links in trash
[22:05:34] <Anakisuto> so that you don't have to find them again later
[22:07:13] <Topsy Kretts> I set up the dumper. How long should I wait for links in the "exploit" to work the first time?
[22:08:04] <Anakisuto> wait until everything is scanned
[22:08:08] <Anakisuto> and only then go to exploit
[22:11:41] <bars228> Strange, there were 4k there - but when I loaded it into sqldumper it became 1900
[22:12:03] <Anakisuto> maybe there were repeats
[22:12:25] <bars228> I don't know
[22:12:45] <bars228> Nothing found yet)
[22:13:29] <Anakisuto> exploits?
[22:13:38] <bars228> Yes
[22:13:56] <bars228> And no
[22:14:01] <bars228> 1 is at 24%
[22:14:22] <Anakisuto> well, that's already not bad
[22:15:12] <bars228> I wanted to ask about poker, what will happen? I don't know how to play, does that mean everything is lost?)
[22:15:40] <Anakisuto> sure, I don't know how either
[22:15:42] <Anakisuto> Sbol can do it, but
[22:15:48] <Anakisuto> well, how [22:15:51]
<Anakisuto> I can't do it properly
[22:15:53] <Anakisuto> specifically playing
[22:16:03] <bars228> I don't know anything at all
[22:16:08] <bars228> What's up with that
[22:16:18] <Anakisuto> easy to figure out,
PS even has a tutorial
[22:16:47] <bars228> I played through it and still don't get it xD
[22:16:59] <Anakisuto> well, no one's forcing you to be a professional
[22:17:04] <Anakisuto> the main thing is to play realistically
[22:17:19] <Anakisuto> if you play shitty with both accounts, then it will be logical. that one of them will lose))
[22:18:43] <Cboloch> (they opened a separate area in the club... you can practice)
[22:19:55] <Topsy Kretts> http://prntscr.com/emsoph
[22:20:00] <Topsy Kretts> 1% so far
[22:20:05] <Topsy Kretts> is this lazing around until the morning
[22:20:07] <Topsy Kretts> )???
[22:20:13] <Topsy Kretts> not enough streams))
[22:20:53] <bars228>https://pp.userapi.com/c636922/v636922601/613a0/tn_ofd0Ulak.jpg
[22:21:05] <bars228> It turns out they are also different)
[22:24:53] <Anakisuto> well, don't wait until the end, as soon as there are at least five links, you can press stop
[22:24:59] <Anakisuto> but in general it's better to leave it overnight, yes, if there are a lot of dorks
[22:25:14] <Anakisuto> yes, they are different. but I don't really know much about the game itself
[22:25:30] <Anakisuto> but that's not really necessary
[22:27:38] <Topsy Kretts> yeah! ok now I have 1100 links http://prntscr.com/emsssd
[22:27:46] <Topsy Kretts> shouldn't you be afraid that there's still only one in the injection, and it looks like it's yours
[22:27:50] <Topsy Kretts> ?
[22:28:21] <Topsy Kretts> Yahoo also stopped giving) only Bing is running
[22:28:25] <Topsy Kretts> Google has completely gone silent
[22:28:42] <Topsy Kretts> more precisely, one in the exploit***
[22:31:01] <Anakisuto> Oh well, wait for now
[22:34:44] <bars228> http://prntscr.com/emswhg
[22:34:55] <bars228> I don't understand something, did it finish or what?
[22:35:00] <bars228> what should I press here?)
[22:36:44] <bars228> http://prntscr.com/emsxi6 that's it
[22:36:46] <bars228> nothing there
[22:37:09] <Anakisuto> yeah, looks like not a single vulnerability
[22:37:28] <Anakisuto> did you press start analyzer?
[22:37:59] <bars228> yeah
[22:38:17] <bars228> well there are 7 sites in the exploit
[22:39:06] <Anakisuto> I mean did you press start analyzer in the injectables tab?
[22:39:16] <bars228> already yes)
[22:39:17] <bars228> http://prntscr.com/emsysz
[22:39:22] <bars228> still nothing
[22:40:36] <Anakisuto> ah, well exploitables are not enough because, yeah
[22:40:42] <bars228> I'll try to make other dorks and search with the same dumper
[22:40:56] <Anakisuto> +
[22:41:05] <Anakisuto> use parsed links
[22:41:18] <Anakisuto> to make the second and third parts in the dork generator
[22:41:47] <Anakisuto> so far it's going pretty slow and sluggishly, but maybe because there's new material, if later someone else will be interested in this, which I hope, I will teach some additional tricks
[22:42:43] <Topsy Kretts> and will these second and third parts be better from the parsed ones?
[22:42:50] <Topsy Kretts> than the ones I put, which you gave
[22:42:51] <Topsy Kretts>
[22:43:03] <Topsy Kretts> for now I'm doing it but I don't really understand)
[22:43:08] <Topsy Kretts> :-D
[22:43:19] <Topsy Kretts> what will
[22:43:23] <Cboloch> lead to BD
[22:43:37] <Anakisuto> they will be better, yes
[22:43:39] <Anakisuto> basically look
[22:43:47] <Anakisuto> you parse by dorks
[22:43:56] <Anakisuto> that is, you parse only those links that match the dorks
[22:44:02] <Anakisuto> and you take extensions and queries from them
[22:44:07] <Anakisuto> this way you take only what you need
[22:46:04] <bars228> http://prntscr.com/emt2fr
[22:46:08] <bars228> is that right?
[22:46:14] <bars228> there was a problem at the end
[22:46:58] <Topsy Kretts> http://prntscr.com/emt2w5 there are 5k links.
[22:47:09] <Topsy Kretts> slowing down, switching to exploit and waiting for start
[22:47:11] <Topsy Kretts> huh?
[22:47:42] <Anakisuto> yes
[22:48:01] <Anakisuto> to both questions
[22:48:02] <Anakisuto> only bars
[22:48:05] <Anakisuto> remove those equal signs
[22:48:08] <Anakisuto> did I get it mixed up
[22:48:29] <bars228> in the second column?
[22:50:41] <bars228> where to load from the proxy dumper?
[22:51:08] <bars228> found it, in the settings)
[22:51:41] <Anakisuto> in the second, yes
[22:51:54] <bars228> let there be 3 search engines?
[22:53:26] <bars228> forum;showthread;injection;dorks;union;hack;.gov
[22:53:33] <bars228> and also a hundred per line?
[22:53:47] <bars228> I don't understand)
[22:55:55] <bars228> takes a long time to start..
[23:03:19] <bars228> something is still standing
[23:03:30] <bars228> http://prntscr.com/emtbg4
[23:07:42] <Anakisuto> did you specify the proxy type correctly?
[23:07:43] <Anakisuto> try without them at all
[23:08:05] <bars228> I don't think so, I set socks5, but for some reason there are 4 at the bottom
[23:08:15] <bars228> I made a mistake the first time and loaded it in the wrong place
[23:08:26] <bars228> 10 streams?
[23:09:25] <bars228> http://prntscr.com/emtemx
[23:09:30] <bars228> well, damn
[23:10:30] <bars228> mixed installed, I'm launching it now
[23:14:30] <bars228> complete crap, better through Searcher
[23:16:37] <Anakisuto> well, searcher is nicer, right
[23:37:08] <bars228> Is that all for today?
[23:37:21] <bars228> I think I'll be looking all night)
[23:38:03] <Anakisuto> yeah, the rest of them I don't know what they're doing
[00:02:15] <Topsy Kretts> I got distracted
[00:02:38] <Topsy Kretts> anyway, they found 7 injections, I showed them. then 4 with vulnerabilities. then only 1 opened and it didn't have passwords. so
[00:02:44] <Topsy Kretts> now I'm thinking, what and how should I change
[00:02:49] <Topsy Kretts> but I don't get it yet)
[00:03:06] <Topsy Kretts> anakisuto I showed you) it's all about the same
[00:03:23] <Vovchi> you got off to a good start)
[00:04:34] <Topsy Kretts> yeah
[00:04:41] <Topsy Kretts> I'd also like to make an order for 1-2 to
[00:05:07] <Vovchi> for 4 and you can go to bed)

(21:46:24) Anakisuto: first you need to decide
(21:46:27) Anakisuto: what do you want
(21:46:56) Anakisuto: fill a deposit, and then sell the account for a percentage fill a deposit, and then drain the account for yourself buy an account, and then drain it for yourself
(21:47:46) Anakisuto: which of these is easier? The question is not an easy one, it depends on you
I don’t really know how to play poker, so the last time I worked in poker, I sold accounts to a buyer for a percentage
(21:47:47) ictus: which is easier and more profitable?
(21:47:57) Anakisuto: then I lost contact with him, unfortunately
(21:48:14) Anakisuto: I'll say right away that poker now is a very, very difficult activity, but possible
(21:48:51) ictus: you can start with something simple, then we'll see because
the info is through the roof, for each topic you need time to practice
(21:49:11) Anakisuto: I agree, then in order
(21:49:35) Anakisuto: I focus on two offices 888 and PS
(21:50:01) Anakisuto: the first part and the most expensive, if you go along the first two paths, are dedicated servers
(21:50:16) Anakisuto: I would advise you to buy or take leaked software for brute-force of such, since you will need a lot of them, a lot
(21:50:24) Anakisuto: or if there is some allocated capital, then you can buy
(21:51:55) Anakisuto: on dedicated servers we will prepare our accounts for deposits
(21:52:24) Anakisuto: fucking awesomely configured virtual machines, by the way, will also do,
the main thing is that they do not reveal that they are virtual machines
(21:53:41) ictus: how to configure so that poker does not reveal, will the man be separate or not?
(21:53:52) ictus: did not reveal the virtual machine
(21:54:42) Anakisuto: antik maxes, or various programs that mask the hardware
(21:54:46) Anakisuto: basically the same. how for vbv
(21:55:18) Anakisuto: so, how to create accounts
(21:55:55) Anakisuto: 1) through the client
2) through the browser
3) mobile application
(21:57:09) Anakisuto: 1) with clients it is easiest in general
, we go to the dedicated server, download the client, register
(21:57:22) Anakisuto: the peculiarity is that the dedicated server must be crystal clear for the presence of poker on it before that
(21:57:33) Anakisuto: because the client burns all the hardware up and down
(21:57:48) Anakisuto: on 888 with a deposit of up to $ 250 it does not ask for vbv as a rule
(21:59:01) Anakisuto: through the client I mean
(21:59:25) 112233: does yusa mate work? or just eu
(21:59:39) Anakisuto: all questions later
(22:00:33) Anakisuto: 2) through the browser the hardware is not detected and you can also register without any problems, plus on 888 you can even play through the browser
(22:00:33) Anakisuto: but
(22:00:40) Anakisuto: via browser much attention is paid to IP
(22:00:51) Anakisuto: it shouldn't be shitty socks or similar, only good clean IPs
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(22:02:01) Anakisuto: what's the downside (22:02:05
) Anakisuto: it's harder to make a deposit
(22:02:07) Anakisuto: almost always vbv
(22:02:13) Anakisuto: or hold account
(22:03:15) Anakisuto: there used to be such a thing, but now it's been slightly overused
(22:03:34) Anakisuto: that in Sweden and some other countries there were rates from PS
(22:03:40) Anakisuto: there was no client for them
(22:03:47) Anakisuto: and the account was common
(22:04:07) Anakisuto: then PS started to be suspicious as hell about it, but if you pump small deposits, then it will work
(22:04:25) Anakisuto: it turns out that you are doing dep as if for bets through the browser
(22:04:36) Anakisuto: and do you have a balance in common with poker
(22:05:50) Anakisuto: 3) as for the application, in general it’s not bad, but the settings are incredibly mind-boggling and you can just fuck with it, but the office is much more loyal
(22:06:19) Anakisuto: nevertheless, again you need to be careful with deposits, I hit from the application several times, in general it went fine, but it still locks large deposits
(22:06:47) Anakisuto: so as for me, it’s too much of a pain and not worth the effort, but you can try, if you’re going to hit from android anyway
(22:06:51) Anakisuto: in shops
(22:09:02) Anakisuto: further
(22:09:16) Anakisuto: before you do anything at all, look. in which countries is there poker from these companies
(22:09:28) Anakisuto: it is on the official websites
(22:09:55) Anakisuto: moreover, try to be more creative in choosing a country for an account
(22:10:06) Anakisuto: even I would say more rationally
(22:10:14) Anakisuto: we obviously don’t take yusu at all
(22:10:23) Anakisuto: I don’t recommend Italy, France either
(22:11:15) Anakisuto: in addition, take old shit tunnels and one dedicated server
(22:11:21) Anakisuto: no, I started from the wrong place
(22:11:43) Anakisuto: there are countries, and they often change, that don’t allow you to make a deposit from CC at all
(22:11:46) Anakisuto: how is that check
(22:11:50) Anakisuto: take a
dedicated tunnel
(22:11:54) Anakisuto: register an account, generate a CC
(22:11:58) Anakisuto: and sort of try to deposit
(22:12:24) Anakisuto: another small life hack, after working off, sell the dedicated servers so that the good (money) doesn't go to waste
(22:13:34) Anakisuto: countries like Australia, New Zealand and similar ones are good candidates
(22:14:48) Anakisuto: I'll go pee, just a minute
(22:25:34) Anakisuto: so, I'm here
(22:26:03) Anakisuto: Sweden and Germany are also suitable in principle
(22:26:36) Anakisuto: for some reason, euromat dies pretty quickly in poker, this is a big minus, so I recommend starting with Australia
(22:26:41) Anakisuto: as I wrote above
(22:27:09) Anakisuto: don't take UK at all, there is more hassle with verification, you need to confirm your age, in short, complete stupidity
(22:28:22) Anakisuto: now regarding the deposit, on 888, provided that the dedicated server is crystal clear, a small deposit goes in with a bang
(22:28:33) Anakisuto: no need to immediately bang the second and third, it's worth waiting a little
(22:28:38) Anakisuto: regarding the amount, I wrote above
(22:29:10) Anakisuto: I also advise you to be sure of the validity of the card, because it is not just entering it into the shop, but a long and tedious process
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(22:33:19) anatoly26 [ anatoly26@procrd.pro /Psi+] entered the room.
(22:33:27) bars228: registered on 888 from usa ded, need full account, asks for SSN,
click deposit - here's what it says - http://prntscr.com/enn48d
like only via wifi)
(22:33:58) 112233: online poker in usa has been blocked completely, it seems, for money
(22:34:40) 112233: and you can't deposit from usa mat, if I'm not mistaken
(22:35:05) bars228: I'm just testing
(22:35:25) bars228: Australia has dedicated servers, I'll try later
(22:36:08) Anakisuto: I wrote that we don't take usa at all
(22:36:21) bars228: http://prntscr.com/enn67v - you can deposit via browser also
(22:36:59) Anakisuto: I wrote above
(22:37:03) Anakisuto: about deposit in the browser
(22:37:04) Anakisuto: on 888
(22:38:01) Anakisuto: as for PS
, we register an account, play for a week on conditional chips
(22:38:06) Anakisuto: and regularly lose them to zero
(22:38:47) Anakisuto: after about a week, they can offer you to make a real deposit earlier
(22:38:55) Anakisuto: and that's when you do it
(22:39:23) Anakisuto: but it's better to wait longer if you want to work on quality, not quantity
(22:39:27) Anakisuto: two weeks is just right
(22:40:56) Anakisuto: further I'll tell you about withdrawal accounts, then we'll go back a bit and tell you about verification by documents, and you'll need it
(22:42:31) Anakisuto: with withdrawal accounts everything is kind of simple, but also kind of completely shitty
because you can simply register an account on your computer, upload a scan, link a card, make small white deposits of your money, play with it, and specifically play, because the SB of the companies has become complicated over the years, they carefully monitor right down to the game tactics in case of suspicion
(22:50:30) Anakisuto: the most important thing, as you understand, is to top up your balance without any dirt
(22:50:35) Anakisuto: so that at the right moment you don’t screw everything up
(22:51:22) Anakisuto: why is it better to immediately attach scans?
(22:51:31) Anakisuto: because before the drain it is better to withdraw a couple of times what you have played
(22:52:03) Anakisuto: another point is that it is better to have several small deposits than one big one
(22:52:12) Anakisuto: for example, you decided to deposit 200 bucks to the withdrawal account
(22:52:15) Anakisuto: divide this amount
(22:52:42) Anakisuto: don’t get too excited about games yet, play 2-3 maximum
(22:54:32) Anakisuto: there was another very funny topic
(22:54:39) Anakisuto: now we’ll check if Sbol still has it
(22:54:42) Anakisuto: Sbol, are you here?
(22:55:20) Anakisuto: ok, I'll PM him
(22:55:52) Anakisuto: unfortunately
(22:55:32) evasoul@xmpp.jp /187449424464575651490291529816990: to you, apparently"
(22:56:28) Topsy Kretts: he enabled authorization by reply
(22:56:31) Topsy Kretts: toad)
(22:56:31) bars228: This is his new SB )
(22:56:31) Anakisuto: then we'll skip this for now, I'll check later and tell you, there was just one thread, and sbol constantly plays poker legally and should definitely know how things are with this now
(22:56:37) Anakisuto: yeah? what's the answer?
(22:56:39) Topsy Kretts: dunno
(22:56:41) Topsy Kretts: in Telegram
(22:56:53) Topsy Kretts: you just wrote through conf
(22:56:55) Topsy Kretts: not directly
(22:56:58) Anakisuto: ah, yeah
(22:57:09) Anakisuto: let's move on for now
(22:58:00) Anakisuto: as for draining in PS,
I strongly recommend not to wait until after the deposit the account is locked and they demand documents
(22:58:05) Anakisuto: and write to support in advance
(22:58:21) Anakisuto: the legend is this:
we are good players and are going to play for a long time and awesomely
(22:58:26) Anakisuto: that's why we want to verify everything in advance
(22:58:30) Anakisuto: they will require a minimum of documents
(22:58:40) Anakisuto: passport and bank statement most likely
(23:01:39) Anakisuto: in short, there was such a topic, now it should have remained
(23:01:48) Anakisuto: you can top up from a mastercard, but you can’t withdraw to it
(23:01:52) Anakisuto: this happened at pokerstars
(23:02:19) Anakisuto: I’ll try it and write if this is true now, it was like this a couple of months ago, or maybe someone will try it before me, in any case we’ll find out
(23:02:42) Anakisuto: regarding charges
(23:02:49) Anakisuto: they take a long time, very long
(23:02:52) Anakisuto: 2-4 weeks
(23:03:09) Anakisuto: so there is no need to rush with the drain, but there is no need to hurry either
(23:05:16) Topsy Kretts: but there is no need to hesitate-*?)
(23:06:30) Anakisuto: yes
(23:06:31) Anakisuto: exactly
(23:08:49) Anakisuto: as for the draining process itself, you need to know how to play
(23:08:58) Anakisuto: because everything should look as realistic as possible
(23:09:04) Anakisuto: or it would be even better if everything was realistic
(23:11:39) Anakisuto: well, now let's get to the questions, if there are any
(23:11:57) 112233: well, how do you drain correctly?
(23:12:10) 112233: we sit down at one table in a cash game
(23:12:21) 112233: we find it by search or what?
(23:15:44) 112233: how much can you lose at one table, your entire bankroll or not?
(23:17:03) Anakisuto: well the easiest option is to register a carg account in the CIS HA
(23:17:10) Anakisuto: and quickly sit down with him with a withdrawal account
(23:17:18) Anakisuto: there is also HA on PS
(23:17:32) Topsy Kretts: what is HA
(23:17:34) Anakisuto: during the entire build-up of a carg account it is better to stick to the tactics of a shitty game
(23:17:36) Anakisuto: heads-up
(23:17:37) 112233: holdemanlimit? (
23:17:40) Anakisuto: a game for two
(23:17:41) 112233: a
(23:18:18) Anakisuto: so, if you sat down like that, then further develop the game extremely realistically, because there are a lot of suspicions about such a game
(23:18:19) ictus: we play for two from different grandfathers? or how
(23:18:23) Anakisuto: yes
(23:18:56) Anakisuto: try to fuck the withdrawal account with the card account too
(23:19:02) Anakisuto: it will be much better
(23:19:21) ictus: got it, saw the topic about binary options, where 2 accounts are also required and so on
(23:19:22) Anakisuto: in general, if you can make card accounts in bulk, I recommend selling them
(23:19:30) Anakisuto: it seems like there is less money, but in fact there is more
(23:20:05) Anakisuto: I don't know about binary, I encountered it a few times, then read a shitload of books on stock exchange analytics, eventually went to a regular exchange, and then completely gave up
(23:20:10) Anakisuto: but maybe I'll come back again to this once
(23:23:43) ictus: the scheme with poker is more or less clear, again it takes time)))
bye everyone!
thanks for the lecture!
(23:23:50) ictus left the room.
(23:24:20) Anakisuto: yes, in fact, with brute force, with bases, with poker, these are all directions, you shouldn't rush into everything at once yet
(23:24:31) Anakisuto: you should choose one thing and hammer it, and then connect the rest
(23:27:09) Topsy Kretts: thanks bro for the scheme)
(23:27:22) Topsy Kretts: in fact, you need to play a little to understand what we're talking about here
(23:27:31) Anakisuto: that's right
(23:27:31) Topsy Kretts: but the scheme itself is clear
(23:27:32) Anakisuto: right


Creating a self-registration



19:56:42 bars228: hi
20:00:33 hanau16: I wonder if it will need a Varya or what?
20:02:27 bars228: as far as I know, self-registrations are made from dedicated servers
20:03:02 bars228: because the stick detects virtual reality. although maybe it can be configured somehow)
20:03:57 Vovchi: Hi everyone. Sorry, I'm a little late_
20:04:29 Vovchi: Topsy is also running. asked if possible to wait 15 minutes.)
20:13:24 Topsy Kretts: Hello
20:13:46 bars228: Ku
20:14:07 NEO: yoyo
20:14:23 NEO: we'll start in about 10 minutes
20:14:29 NEO: while I get everything ready
20:17:22 sadam: 1
20:18:06 Topsy Kretts: +
20:19:06 hanau16: Look, what do you think? http://vbiv.bid/topic/10837-личная-корорная-почаста-для-за-81-рубль-на-год/
20:21:18 bars228: better to buy on fraud.cat and not worry, there are a lot of domains there
20:22:04 hanau16: bars228: Do you use it?
20:22:18 bars228: it happens
20:22:43 hanau16: they write everywhere that corps + at fraud
20:25:18 NEO: well, let's get started
20:25:50 NEO: this is how we work: I give part of the information, you read, understand, then I will give time for questions
20:27:07 NEO: paypal, pp, pall - a payment system in the USA and around the world
20:27:23 NEO: used in almost all American shops for payment
20:27:35 NEO: also serves to send money between users of the system
20:28:14 NEO: at first glance a very convenient payment system, but very often it is unpredictable
20:28:36 NEO: but if you at least partially understand the principle of pp, then you can provide for yourself well. which is what we'll do
20:28:51 NEO: there are 2 types of PayPal accounts, personal and business
20:29:04 NEO: the first is for personal use, the second is for business
20:29:25 NEO: they only differ in deposit and withdrawal limits, design and types of account limit (ban)
20:30:06 NEO: some say that PP is more accepting of business accounts, some say the opposite, but from my experience I haven't noticed any difference, each account gives its own, no matter what it is, personal or business
20:30:29 NEO: what is an account limit (ban)? - this is a limitation that the antifraud PP puts on the account and you cannot use it fully
20:30:56 NEO: so it is easier for the account personnel to unlimit in case of a limit, since with its limit they ask for fewer documents for unlimiting
20:31:06 NEO: and if you draw, then it turns out to be more expensive
20:31:29 NEO: if you still want to work with business accounts, then first register the staff, and then in the settings you can upgrade to a business account
20:31:36 NEO: is this why there are no questions yet?
20:32:34 Topsy Kretts: I have a question
20:32:36 hanau16: Is there a difference in the PP robot in USA and in other countries
20:32:52 hanau16: For example in Europe
20:32:57 Topsy Kretts: oh no, no question.
20:33:01 Topsy Kretts: running ahead)
20:33:58 NEO: hanau16: there are no noticeable differences. the PP policy is almost the same everywhere. it's just easier to find the right mat for usu than for the same Europe
20:34:32 anatoly26: I heard about Italy, that the withdrawal is a little faster there, is it true?
20:35:16 hanau16: AK PP in US and AK PP in Europe work fine with each other
20:36:20 NEO: anatoly26: I can't say for sure, I haven't withdrawn to Italy, but I think the withdrawal is to a card there, that's why it's faster
20:36:43 bars228: I heard the same
20:36:58 NEO: hanau16: it's normal if they have more or less history
20:37:45 ictus: is it possible to make a history of minideposits with a virtual card yourself? and then attach another one and ...
20:37:54 anatoly26: NEO A little off topic - will you tell us about brute accounts in the future?
20:38:54 NEO: ictus: make a history of purchases, sends, etc.
20:39:47 NEO: anatoly26: no, not about brute force, I only understand it in theory
20:40:24 NEO: any more questions?
20:40:44 hanau16: I think there will be
20:40:50 ictus: that's what I meant, for example, we make some kind of virtual USB card, make 3-4 purchases of iPhone cords on eBay, then we knit CC and from it a normal order is immediately
20:40:58 ictus: so is it possible or not?
20:42:25 NEO: ictus: it is possible, but there are a lot of nuances and it may not let you pay. but more on that later
20:43:13 NEO: shall we move on?
20:44:16 NEO: the PP also has SM - security measures (protection measures)
20:44:39 NEO: when paying, or when logging into the account, the PP may ask to accept an SMS, a call to the number in the account. less often enter the card number, the bank account, what is in the account
20:45:04 NEO: this happens when you log in from another device, from a new IP, or have already collected fraud points for suspicious actions
20:45:14 NEO: this can be found very often on fraudulent accounts
20:45:59 NEO: you can bypass this only by accepting an SMS to the number in the account, or enter the data that the PP asks for
20:46:34 NEO: the activity of the account is also important, if the account is active, regularly receives, sends money and there are no charges, then the PP will trust such accounts more
20:47:40 NEO: and if you did self-registration, then a couple of months later you logged in from a different IP, from a browser without the same cookies, from a different state and immediately try to pay 2k bucks, or send that amount to a RU account, then the PP accordingly adds points and asks you to confirm your identity by phone, or even limits (bans) the account, if you really sinned in the PP's opinion
20:48:38 NEO: to avoid this, you need to: always log in from the same system, the PP gets used to the system it works with. if you work on grandfathers, then use a portable browser and save the folder for yourself (or just export cookies), because if the grandfather dies, you can easily transfer the folder to a new grandfather. if you work from a virtual machine, then use any browser that is convenient for you
20:49:37 NEO: some say that it's all because of the IP and if CM pops up, then run and get a new SOCKS, tunnel, DEDIC. In some ways it's true, if you often use different IPs for login and even different states, then sooner or later you will encounter the coveted identity check when logging into your account. But if you do everything smart, then everything will be ok
20:50:02 NEO: but if you change the DEDIC, tunnel, then try to find one for the same city, state that was before to avoid CM
20:50:09 NEO: questions?
20:50:29 hanau16: is it possible to change the data on a dumped AC
20:50:39 bars228: will we work from a virtual machine? how does the stick relate to it?*
20:51:08 NEO: bars228: it relates normally, if you set up virtual banking
20:51:28 bars228: NEO: good)
20:51:35 NEO: hanau16: you can, but we have self-registration
20:51:47 hanau16: Ok
20:52:10 hanau16: How many charges can an ac withstand
20:52:29 ictus: is this a charge? a transfer or an order?
20:52:42 hanau16: transfers
20:52:52 Topsy Kretts: REFUND!)
20:53:24 hanau16: withdrawal and replenishment of an ac
20:53:43 NEO: hanau16: always differently. It happens that after the first limit without the right to appeal arrives, it happens that the account lives longer than the holder and drains everything
20:54:18 hanau16: I understand sportloto
20:56:06 NEO: any more questions?
20:56:21 Topsy Kretts: login/exit to the account
20:56:23 Topsy Kretts: every day
20:56:27 Topsy Kretts: will they give some kind of +?
20:56:33 Topsy Kretts: if without payment actions)
20:57:13 NEO: I don't think so. Put yourself in the place of the holder of the PP. Will he log into the account just like that? without doing anything and without paying anything?
20:58:19 Sam_Fisher: NEO: is working with brute accounts and self-registered accounts very different?
20:58:34 ictus: everything written above applies to self-registration of PP or?
20:59:05 sadam: what did you mean when you said that the account sometimes lives longer than the holder and drains everything?
20:59:24 Sam_Fisher: sadam: PP does not limit the account
21:00:00 NEO: Sam_Fisher: very much
21:00:14 NEO: ictus: we are only considering self-registered ones
21:00:31 NEO: sadam: that the account is alive despite the charges
21:00:54 sadam: holder?
21:01:06 sadam: what (who) is this?
21:01:16 sadam: not CH in all likelihood
21:01:27 Topsy Kretts: holder is always CH in the card)
21:01:27 bars228: does it make sense to buy self-registered ones?
21:01:32 Sam_Fisher: sadam: CH - card holder
21:01:46 NEO: sadam don't be stupid
21:01:57 NEO: bars228: I prefer to make my own
21:02:11 sadam: you didn't understand my question, oh well
21:02:35 NEO: questions, or what next?
21:02:54 ictus: next, questions will follow after practice
21:03:50 NEO: moving on to self-registrations
21:04:03 NEO: self-registration - a personally created account using full info (full info)
21:04:22 NEO: full info - complete information about a person, containing full name, address, phone number, email, DOB - date of birth, SSN - social security number, less often MMN - mother's maiden name
21:04:32 NEO: example of a full info WILLIAM CHAMP/11000 GULE BLVD/TREASURE ISLAND/FL/33706/407-44-9880/09.20.1936
21:04:38 NEO: where: WILLIAM CHAMP - first name, last name
21:04:44 NEO: 11000 GULE BLVD - address
21:04:48 NEO: TREASURE ISLAND - city
21:04:53 NEO: FL/33706 - state/zip code
21:04:59 NEO: 407-44-9880 - ssn (social security number)
21:05:10 NEO: 09.20.1936 - dob (date of birth) in the USA the date of birth is in the format month.day.year! here you can clearly see it
21:05:24 NEO: this data is quite sufficient to create a self-registration account
21:05:43 NEO: BA, BA - bank account (wells - wellsfargo, sun - suntrust, td - TDBank, chase, BoA - bank of america). These are the most common banks under pp.
21:05:56 NEO: BA log example: ss582202:loveyou1
Last Sign On: November 30, 2015
Email Address: ss582202@gmail.com
Mailing Address: 123 NICHOLAS LN ASPEN, CO, 81611-3231
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.4 WOW6; 4) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/41.0.2225.0 Safari/537.36
--- Cash Accounts ---
CUSTOM MANAGEMENT(RM) XXXXXX7478 $1,401.54
Cash Accounts Total: $1,432.35
--- Credit Accounts ---
--- Loan Accounts ---
21:06:03 NEO where: ss582202:loveyou1 - login and password
21:06:08 NEO: Last Sign On: November 30, 2015 - date of last login to the account
21:06:14 NEO: Email Address: ss582202@gmail.com - holder's email BA
21:06:19 NEO: Mailing Address: 123 NICHOLAS LN ASPEN, CO, 81611-3231 - holder's address
21:06:25 NEO: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.4; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/41.0.2225.0 Safari/537.36 - holder's user agent (not always available, depending on the seller's checker)
21:06:33 NEO: --- Cash Accounts ---
CUSTOM MANAGEMENT(RM) XXXXXX7478 $1,401.54
Cash Accounts Total: $1,432.35
--- Credit Accounts ---
--- Loan Accounts --- information about individual accounts and the sum of all accounts in the account
21:06:40 NEO: we are only interested in Cash Accounts, since they are the only ones that are related to our self-registration
21:06:48 NEO: all the rest, --- We don't need Credit Accounts --- and --- Loan Accounts ---
21:07:04 NEO: this is what we will buy to create self-registration, I will give the contacts where to get this at the end of the lecture
21:07:11 NEO: questions about this?
21:07:28 Sam_Fisher: Can the user agent be replaced in your browser to reduce fraud?
21:08:01 Topsy Kretts: and for PP, does it make a difference what kind of user agent we have, whether the subBA is adjusted or not? PPZh knits anyway)
21:08:15 bars228: Cash Accounts - are these Checking and Savings accounts?
21:08:17 Sam_Fisher: Or in order to select a system like the holder's?
21:08:19 NEO: Sam_Fisher: you can, but it basically goes in the same way
21:08:28 ictus: When linking a BA to a PP, it seems like the PP makes a couple of mini deposits and asks to enter the amount of these mini deposits
21:08:34 NEO: Sam_Fisher: yeah, it's still better not to go to the BA
21:08:38 NEO: bars228: yeah
21:08:54 NEO: ictus: there are BAs that are linked by log pass
21:09:25 ictus: I see, I've only tried by mini deposits
21:10:00 Sam_Fisher: I heard that there are BAs that are linked instantly, and there are those that have a hold of 5-7 days. Does it depend on the bank?
21:10:10 NEO: Sam_Fisher: yes
21:10:21 Sam_Fisher: And from which ones, will they tell us?))
21:10:36 NEO: Sam_Fisher: will be later
21:12:46 NEO: any more questions? or we can take a short break, for about 10 minutes, and then continue in the team
21:13:00 NEO: by the way, did everyone download it?
21:13:00 anatoly26: Describe the different errors that can appear
21:13:10 anatoly26: NEO: or later?
21:13:43 NEO: anatoly26: there are a lot of errors, with different actions, different errors
21:14:07 ictus: perhaps the sequence of actions is also important?
21:15:32 NEO: ictus: I guess I don't know to be honest xD
21:17:47 bars228: then we'll do it as it turns out, as the holder would do)
21:18:19 Sam_Fisher: bars228: "Think like a holder" ©Svo
21:18:28 Sam_Fisher: holder*
21:18:33 bars228: +
21:20:12 Topsy Kretts: does the holder read the FAQ or Help section?
21:20:16 Topsy Kretts: I never have, even in RU
21:20:21 Topsy Kretts: but I think Americans read
21:20:23 Topsy Kretts: especially 35+
21:20:36 Topsy Kretts: or no, 45+
21:21:23 Sam_Fisher: In the CIS, no one reads the agreement's faces
21:25:37 Cboloch: |one of the good topics for your viewing
21:26:43 NEO: let's continue
21:26:55 NEO: now I'll give you the team details for connecting
21:27:43 NEO: Hello,

Please join the meeting, by clicking on this link:

TeamViewer​

go.teamviewer.com

Meeting ID: m22-515-823

Regards,
privet komp

www.teamviewer.com - Easy online meeting & screen sharing
21:28:06 NEO: who connected, plus
21:29:57 bars228: http://prntscr.com/epl8ki
21:30:14 ictus: if vby
21:30:17 ictus: ша мин
21:30:19 Sam_Fisher: bars228: same thing
21:30:32 bars228: https://download.teamviewer.com/download/TeamViewerQJ_uk.exe
21:30:36 Sam_Fisher: And I downloaded quickjoin too. It doesn't work through it
21:30:41 bars228: looks like this needs to be installed
21:30:42 Topsy Kretts: damn, my version too
21:30:44 Topsy Kretts: incompatible
21:30:50 Topsy Kretts: so we're ready
21:30:57 Topsy Kretts: do you need to refresh? Commander
21:31:21 NEO: download 10 team
21:31:29 NEO: I posted the links
21:32:11 bars228: should I delete this one?
21:32:30 NEO: yeah, I think you can just run it once
21:32:44 NEO: but if it doesn't run, delete it
21:33:10 sadam: - http://download.teamviewer.com/download/version_10x/TeamViewer_Setup.exe 10ka
21:36:32 sadam: m22-515-823
21:38:44 Topsy Kretts: topsy+
21:38:57 NEO: anatoly26: don't make noise
21:39:08 ictus: min I have a newer version of teamka
21:39:18 Vovchi: I also have 12
21:39:23 Sam_Fisher: You can run it in portable mode right away
21:39:35 Topsy Kretts: yeah. I downloaded portable 10
21:39:43 anatoly26: NEO: sorry
21:39:44 Topsy Kretts: but is everyone friends with archivers??)
21:39:56 Topsy Kretts: http://download.teamviewer.com/download/version_10x/TeamViewerPortable.zip
21:42:20 Sam_Fisher: Who else is there?
21:43:08 Sam_Fisher: NEO: can you shoot a video and post it on the forum with the text logs?
21:43:44 NEO: Sam_Fisher: just be careful
21:43:53 anatoly26: Here, this needs to be done, someone capture a video, I would do it, but the Internet won't let me
21:44:01 Sam_Fisher: I'll capture it
21:44:06 Sam_Fisher: I've already set everything up
21:44:16 bars228: I can film it on Bandicam
21:44:22 Sam_Fisher: I didn't want to post it without permission)
21:45:01 NEO: Chachak and Vovchi are left
21:45:41 NEO: why aren't you connecting, you bastard?
21:45:49 NEO: I'll teach you how to do self-registration
21:47:40 NEO: to create a self-registration you need a full account, a bank account, email, phone number
21:47:48 NEO: ss, vcc as desired
21:47:54 NEO: personally, I don't attach
21:48:06 NEO: I don't think registering an email is a problem
21:48:15 NEO: buy a full account, a bank account.
21:48:31 NEO: you can register your phone number for free on textnow.com
21:48:44 NEO: but the number lives there for a week if you don't send text messages from it
21:48:55 NEO: it's easier for me to buy Google Voice
21:49:12 NEO: where to buy, I'll give you the contacts after the lecture
21:49:32 NEO: I've already prepared everything. to register a personal account go to paypal.com
21:50:07 NEO: click sign up
21:50:29 NEO: or go straight to register personal account
21:50:39 NEO: but the design may not be the same
21:50:50 NEO: here enter your email and password
21:51:12 NEO: the checkbox is not necessary
21:51:46 NEO: it is better to enter all data manually
21:51:56 NEO: but you can also copy it
21:52:05 NEO: I prefer to do it manually
21:53:19 NEO: enter everything from the full file, except for the phone
21:53:43 NEO: your phone, Google Voice, or TextNav
21:54:06 NEO: offers to link the map right away
21:54:15 NEO: skip
21:54:23 NEO: offers to take a loan
21:54:41 Sam_Fisher: BML?
21:54:53 NEO: you can try to take it, then it will ask to enter ssn and dob from the full file
21:54:58 NEO: but I don't take it
21:55:01 NEO: Sam_Fisher: yes
21:55:11 NEO: I just skip it
21:55:23 NEO: we get to our account
21:55:52 NEO: before, I always checked the full file first through the add money button
21:56:01 NEO: but now I can't access it
21:56:10 NEO: it will appear after the ba link
21:56:25 NEO: but I don't really need it now, I almost don't deposit
21:56:33 NEO: go to wallet
21:56:45 NEO: click link bank
21:57:03 NEO: do you have one ba from the list, then it can be linked by log pass
21:57:24 NEO: but there are such ba that ask to answer a secret question when linking by log pass
21:57:28 NEO: like TD bank
21:57:45 NEO: then it needs to be linked by routing and account numbers
21:57:56 NEO: usually they already sell it with them
21:58:09 NEO: but I have chase, it is linked by log pass
21:58:18 NEO: I choose it from the list
21:58:59 NEO: if this comes up, it means that ba is already linked to another account
21:59:08 NEO: you need to take a new one
21:59:55 NEO: this one came in
22:00:22 NEO: now we have access to the add money button
22:00:49 NEO: here you need to enter dob and the last 4 digits from the full file
22:01:03 NEO: the last 4 digits are ccn
22:01:06 NEO: ssn*
22:02:07 NEO: the full file is good, which means we can deposit to this self-registration in the future
22:02:16 NEO: we can try now
22:02:23 NEO: but there is a 99% chance it won't work
22:02:39 NEO: what a shame(
22:02:57 NEO: we can also confirm the email
22:04:09 NEO: immediately offers to confirm the phone number, but I don’t confirm
22:04:28 Topsy Kretts: why
22:04:38 NEO: now our PP account is 50% confirmed
22:04:49 NEO: Topsy Kretts: because it already gives
22:05:02 NEO: and it also allows you to receive SMS, in case of something
22:05:29 NEO: that’s all for creation for now, I’m disconnecting the team. and we’ll go over the questions
22:05:51 Topsy Kretts: you’re not going further than 50?)
22:05:52 Topsy Kretts: %
22:06:00 anatoly26: Should the account and the full account be in the name of the same owner?
22:06:00 anatoly26: NEO:
22:06:25 NEO: anatoly26: no
22:06:36 NEO: BA and FULL on different ones
22:06:38 anatoly26: Cool
22:06:43 Sam_Fisher: Which banks are connected with instant, and which with hold and mini deposits?
22:06:49 NEO: Topsy Kretts: 50% is enough
22:06:57 ictus: in the mail, do we set the name as in BA or as in FULL? This moment can also be exposed, right?
22:07:12 NEO: Sam_Fisher: from those that are on sale, only TD bank with hold is compatible
22:07:17 NEO: the rest instantly
22:07:28 hanau16: is it possible to fill up from another AK PP or BAK?
22:07:31 NEO: ictus: any
22:07:45 ictus: should we let the self-regulation settle? or not
22:07:57 NEO: hanau16: is it possible
22:08:15 hanau16: why don't you take out a loan?
22:08:18 NEO: ictus: I try to buy something right away. if nothing comes of it, then I wait
22:08:27 NEO: hanau16: I don't know how to drain
22:08:44 ictus: for what amount right away? to the max or?
22:08:45 hanau16: spend in the shop?
22:08:48 Topsy Kretts: NEO: how much do you try to buy and where? does it sometimes give?
22:08:57 Topsy Kretts: NEO: how long do you wait if you don't give
? 22:09:09 Topsy Kretts: how often does it give right away?)
22:09:19 NEO: ictus: I start with small ones
22:09:26 Topsy Kretts: Do you use self-registration only for purchases, mainly?
22:09:27 ictus: like a swing
22:09:31 NEO: hanau16: I buy on eBay
22:09:36 Sam_Fisher: did you just do self-registration from a sock and your car?
22:09:47 NEO: if it doesn't give, then I wait for a couple of days, a week
22:10:09 NEO: Topsy Kretts: almost everything gives right away
22:10:21 NEO: I mainly use self-registration for purchases
22:10:25 ictus: can we somehow drain the balance or not? only purchase and that's it? what
if I transfer to another account?
22:10:38 NEO: Sam_Fisher: from VPN and from my car
22:10:47 NEO: ictus: we can transfer too
22:10:54 NEO: it's easier for me to just buy
22:11:05 bars228: you create an account and buy something on eBay? does it work to buy from a bank account?
22:11:20 NEO: yes
22:11:35 hanau16: NEO: give me your toad
22:11:35 bars228: do charges from BA go fast?
22:11:47 ictus: if we withdraw, that is, drain the balance, then where? how can we withdraw the money later and get it in ru7
22:12:10 Sam_Fisher: NEO: Yes, can I contact you with any questions about self-registrations in the future?
22:12:15 NEO: bars228: sometimes the holder doesn't reveal the BA at all and you can drain it for 0
22:12:40 Topsy Kretts: NEO: but on eBay the charge goes to the full address, right?)
22:12:42 NEO: ictus: you can to the withdrawal self-registration. There will be another lecture on cashing out methods
22:12:52 ictus: +
22:12:56 NEO: Sam_Fisher: you can
22:13:02 NEO: Topsy Kretts: to the address of the intermediary
22:13:20 Topsy Kretts: NEO: what amount are you trying to buy on eBay right away?
22:13:34 Sam_Fisher: vitalk0@exploit.im ?
22:13:48 Topsy Kretts: is there Vitalko in Telegram?)
22:14:00 ictus: first, make about 5-10$ a couple of times on the mini deposit, then immediately make a big one, right?
22:14:10 hanau16: can I use rolls?
22:14:24 hanau16: lkz cfvjhtuf
22:14:32 ictus: to pump up self-reg for normal transes
and the first 2 transes can be sent to KH
22:14:34 hanau16: for self-reg
22:14:36 Sam_Fisher: That's what everyone's been jumping on))) A tasty topic, though
22:14:46 Topsy Kretts: yeah))
22:15:06 ictus: the stick is a normal topic, I've been dressing for a couple of years at the expense of the ref through the stick)
22:15:06 bars228: I'll step away for half an hour, thanks for the lecture)
22:15:14 bars228: then I'll read the questions
22:15:16 Cboloch: /don't be mistaken, this is Work!/
22:15:19 NEO: ictus: the deposit may not give, but purchases will give
22:15:32 NEO: hanau16: you can, there will be another lecture about this
22:15:32 ictus: well yeah, that's what I meant to buy
22:15:35 bars228: can you upload the video to youtube (access via link)?
22:15:40 Topsy Kretts: I have 6 self-registers and the deposit has never given. purchases 1-25 do not always give right away
22:15:42 Sam_Fisher: NEO: thanks for the lecture
22:16:00 ictus: the lecture is good!
22:16:05 Sam_Fisher: The video is only 50 meters long. I'll cut it a bit and upload it to a file sharing service
22:16:20 bars228: I have 95
22:16:36 bars228: Apparently it's a different format)
22:16:41 Topsy Kretts: NEO: how much do you buy at once?)
22:16:58 NEO: Topsy Kretts: up to $50
22:17:23 Topsy Kretts: NEO: goods in digital
22:17:27 Topsy Kretts: or a thing
22:17:42 Topsy Kretts: well, since you're sending it to a middleman, it's a thing
22:17:49 Topsy Kretts: I don't know how to send it to an middleman on eBay with a private seller
22:17:56 Topsy Kretts: I didn't get it. I'll try
22:18:02 Topsy Kretts: after eBay gave me 50
22:18:04 Topsy Kretts: what are you doing?!)
22:18:19 NEO: waiting for the payments to go through
22:18:23 ictus: you need to add the address and that's it, well that's what I did on my stick
22:18:29 NEO: if they went through, I'll buy more
22:18:40 Topsy Kretts: is the amount higher?
22:18:56 NEO: yes
22:19:05 Topsy Kretts: is the address of the middleman specified in the PP or on eBay
22:19:18 Topsy Kretts: can the same middleman be on several PPs?
22:19:52 NEO: on eBay
22:19:59 NEO: maybe
22:20:05 Topsy Kretts: good stuff!)
22:20:10 Topsy Kretts: same disk with GTA
22:20:16 Topsy Kretts: they'll probably take it to RU
22:20:18 Sam_Fisher: bars228: I didn't capture the sound. Maybe it's because of him that it got inflated
22:20:53 ictus: by the way, I read about this a long time ago, we take 3 sticks, from 1 we transfer to 2, from 2 to 3, we withdraw from 3,
then from the first we write a claim to the 2nd where the goods are, etc., in short, we make a ref
, the balance is 0, but the stick will return the money itself,
thus we multiply the amount by 2,
I don't know if the scheme still works or not
22:21:44 Topsy Kretts: ))
22:22:21 hanau16: which grandfathers are better to use?
22:22:25 ictus: for this you can even register stick #2 on eBay as a seller, and make a business like it
22:23:32 ictus: what is the best combination for self-registration? type vpn-ded etc.
22:25:55 Topsy Kretts: Vitalko seems to be doing it on virte at all?
22:26:05 Topsy Kretts: and how do you manage to keep the same IP? tunnels?
22:26:10 Topsy Kretts: pure ones under PP are questionable))
22:26:27 NEO: Topsy Kretts: I'm from a separate laptop + vpn
22:26:59 Sam_Fisher: And what about the same IP?
22:27:27 hanau16: NEO: will you throw in some sellers?
22:27:41 NEO: I do a lot of PP from the same IP
22:27:47 Topsy Kretts: NEO: wow
22:27:54 Topsy Kretts: but different browsers yes
22:27:59 Topsy Kretts: different folders with ff portable
22:30:39 NEO: yes
22:30:53 NEO: now there are purchases from this self-registered account http://prntscr.com/epm662
22:31:49 Topsy Kretts: awesome
22:31:50 Sam_Fisher: Where do I get all the swear words?
22:31:51 Topsy Kretts: 3 in a row
22:32:00 Topsy Kretts: but echek
22:32:06 Topsy Kretts: almost always echek first, right? (pending)
22:32:17 NEO: I'll send you where to get the mat now
22:32:21 Topsy Kretts: is this really stuff for the middleman?
22:32:28 Topsy Kretts: small stuff
22:32:36 NEO: textnow.com - a number for receiving SMS from PP (lasts a week if you don't send SMS from it)
http://smska.pw/ - google voice
- ba
2992@zloy.im - full files for PP, only for the club (that's my toad)
22:32:50 Topsy Kretts: how much are the fulls?
22:33:03 NEO: Topsy Kretts: in the middle. small stuff that sells well?
22:33:11 NEO: I have them for $0.5?
22:33:22 Topsy Kretts: good
? 22:33:36 Topsy Kretts: give me your toad for general questions?)
22:33:39 Topsy Kretts: 2992 is that it? 22:33:50
NEO: Topsy Kretts: she
22:34:04 Topsy Kretts: do you register on eBay first
22:34:08 Topsy Kretts: or do you register on checkout
22:34:29 NEO: I register first
22:35:04 Topsy Kretts: do you never make more than 3 purchases if there is a pending order?
22:35:45 NEO: sometimes I make more, but mostly 3-4 purchases
22:35:49 anatoly26: NEO: What do you buy, if it's not a secret?
22:36:06 Topsy Kretts: 90% by eCheck? or less? does instant happen?)
22:36:28 NEO: Topsy Kretts: instant depends on pp's mood, it happens very rarely right away
22:36:36 hanau16: what about giftof?
22:36:55 NEO: anatoly26: it's a secret for now, I don't need competitors for my stuff))
22:37:16 NEO: hanau16: I don't take gifts. I used to, but then they stopped giving them
22:37:42 Topsy Kretts: well, it gives any purchases except gifts, if it gives them
22:37:47 Topsy Kretts: or does your secret stuff give better stuff
22:37:47 Sam_Fisher: What about holds, renderings and other things?
22:37:58 Sam_Fisher: And will we have more lectures on the stick?
22:38:37 NEO: Sam_Fisher: gives the best illiquid assets
22:38:46 NEO: almost always gives clothes
22:38:59 NEO: there will be more lectures


09:35:51 paypal_support: hi
09:38:50 anatoly26: They don't give self-registrations, they don't give brutes. What a bitch, a stick
09:39:29 hanau16: anatoly26: Are you eager to sign up?
09:39:55 anatoly26: hanau16: I don't think so
09:41:48 Sam_Fisher: (C)
09:48:52 bars228: http://prntscr.com/epzb50
09:48:57 bars228: linked chase)
09:49:18 bars228: can I go to eBay?
09:49:36 paypal_support: bars228: I agree
09:49:50 bars228: ok)
09:51:01 bars228: should I add the middleman's address to the PP or is it too early?
09:51:09 bars228: to the one I send from the full?
09:51:30 paypal_support: I only add to eBay
09:51:48 paypal_support: I don't add any other addresses to the PP except from the full
09:53:42 Sam_Fisher: How can I determine the sites that eat the stick from the BA and not from the SS?
09:54:29 paypal_support: only enter
10:00:15 anatoly26: paypal_support: Is there a difference in the BA, like it says Savings etc.
10:00:23 anatoly26: ?
10:01:24 paypal_support: saving is a savings account
10:02:13 anatoly26: paypal_support: so you can't spend from it?
10:04:48 bars228: you can
10:04:53 bars228: http://prntscr.com/epzipc
10:05:02 bars228: for some reason it didn't work)
10:05:21 bars228: should I specify the name in eBay from the PP or from the middleman?
10:05:32 paypal_support: you can, but sometimes there are withdrawal restrictions on such accounts
10:05:42 paypal_support: all data from the middleman
10:05:46 Vovchi: Hello everyone)
10:06:34 paypal_support: Vovchi: hi
10:06:42 paypal_support: we'll start in 5 minutes
10:06:49 paypal_support: let's start*
10:06:52 Sam_Fisher: What are we going to look at today?
10:07:04 paypal_support: payment and deposit
10:08:06 bars228: http://prntscr.com/epzk99
10:08:18 bars228: it gave it to the middleman right away)
10:08:40 paypal_support: bars228: fucking wizard)
10:08:45 Topsy Kretts: good))
10:09:33 Topsy Kretts: what amount?
10:10:49 bars228: 5$
10:10:54 bars228: headphones for iPhone
10:11:24 Topsy Kretts: solid
10:12:43 paypal_support: okay, let's get started
10:12:58 paypal_support: we work like yesterday, I give info, then questions
10:13:01 paypal_support: ok?
10:14:03 paypal_support: today we will consider deposit and payment using PP
10:14:21 paypal_support: deposit, deposit - transfer of money from the balance of the BA to the balance of the PP account
10:14:40 paypal_support: to do this, we need to confirm the identity in the account PP
10:14:55 paypal_support: this is done by entering ssn and dob when you first click the add money button
10:15:10 paypal_support: in the last lecture I showed how to do this on the team
10:15:25 paypal_support: if an error pops up that we cannot confirm your identity, it means that the full account is crooked and you will not be able to deposit to such an account
10:15:30 paypal_support: but you will be able to pay and send
10:16:20 paypal_support: if you entered it by mistake incorrect data and it popped up that the PP cannot confirm your identity, then you can use such self-registration for payments, sends, or close the account in the settings (that is, delete it) and then create a new one for the same full, just enter the data correctly
10:16:41 paypal_support: but if the full is crooked, then normal sellers give a replacement for such fulls
10:16:58 paypal_support: the deposit itself takes 3-5 working banking days
10:17:12 anatoly26: fuck him in the ass - he gave it to him brutally http://prntscr.com/epzoqb
10:17:18 paypal_support: that's why I recommend depositing at the beginning of the week, on Monday, or even on Sunday
10:17:43 paypal_support: then the money will appear on the PP balance on Wednesday or, at worst, on Friday
10:18:07 paypal_support: now the deposit from BA to USA is given after the download of self-registration with payments and sends, and even better with the withdrawal of money to BA
10:18:31 paypal_support: send from RU account to PP USA account, or from self-registered USA to another self-registered USA, or exchange bitcoins on PP U exchanged for localbitcoins. just tell them to send money as friends/relatives, and not for services
10:18:49 paypal_support: because if they send it as for services, then the money on your self-registration may be in pending and you won't be able to do anything with it
10:19:04 paypal_support: when the money is on your self-registration balance, then withdraw a couple of bucks to the linked bank, or buy from the balance, then wait a couple of days and try to deposit from the bank
10:19:50 paypal_support: it's unlikely that anyone can give exact dates now, when they will give the deposit, it always gives differently. for each account individually
10:20:07 paypal_support: but it happens that even after a week of active pumping it already gives a deposit, it happens that after two weeks, it happens that it gives payment, but no deposit
10:20:26 paypal_support: regarding payments, the account does not always allow payment from the BA, and even from the CC it does not always allow payment
10:20:42 paypal_support: in this case, lying down again helps, or calling. But I will say right away that calling in the PP without a broken BG (background report) is a bad idea
10:20:55 paypal_support: after the deposit came, do not run to deposit immediately a second time
10:21:18 paypal_support: in most cases it will not let you deposit right away, but will only add additional fraud points
10:21:45 paypal_support: you will deposit in a couple of days, or a week. and in the meantime you will be busy draining this deposit that came
10:22:23 paypal_support: but I will say for the future that now it is better to refuse such a method of deposit as "head-on". and in general probably PP will disable this function someday
10:22:40 paypal_support: you can deposit money to the balance after purchases, ask the shop/seller to make a ref
10:23:19 paypal_support: how to make a ref correctly I will tell a little later
10:23:31 paypal_support: it happens that the deposit in the account is marked as failed and the money did not arrive to the balance
10:23:51 paypal_support: either CH burned it, or there is no such amount on the BA
10:24:06 paypal_support: in this case we knit a new BA, or deposit a smaller amount, I do not advise deleting the old BA from the account right away. you can not delete it at all, or delete it, but better in a couple of days
10:24:28 paypal_support: pp does not treat such sudden movements with the account very well, as practice has shown
10:24:34 paypal_support: questions about this?
10:24:42 Topsy Kretts: what amounts to try to deposit
10:24:47 Topsy Kretts: the first time, the second, the third
10:24:56 Topsy Kretts: 5, 25 or 90?)
10:25:20 paypal_support: the first time I advise an amount up to 100
10:27:35 hanau16: What does "dep v blah" mean?
10:27:45 paypal_support: via the add money button
10:28:19 hanau16: Is that during registration?
10:28:31 paypal_support: is that even
10:30:52 paypal_support: any other questions or should we move on?
10:31:07 Topsy Kretts: go
10:31:23 hanau16: Looks like they will for sure
10:32:05 paypal_support: payment via PP is done in 4 main ways: from the balance of the PP account, from the CC, from the BA and from BML - a credit that the PP gives
10:32:38 paypal_support: BML can be obtained using the full account data here https://www.billmelater.com , when registering the PP account itself, or when buying on eBay, or in a shop that accepts BML payment. but you need to know how to drain BML, you also need to look for your own private shops, schemes, etc.
10:33:08 paypal_support: the easiest payment option from PP is from your balance
10:33:24 paypal_support: you can pay almost anything on the same eBay or in other shops from your balance
10:33:48 paypal_support: I advise paying from CC via Pokla only from Rollok, or from CCs to which you have access
10:34:04 paypal_support: the thing is that most of the USA cards have already appeared in PP and will not let you pay just like that
10:34:24 paypal_support: if you link CC to your account, in most cases it will ask you to confirm it with minicards, and we can do this with Rollok
10:35:05 paypal_support: there was also a topic with KreditOn and the like, but it seems to have died. For a long time, PP allowed attaching cards of this bank with fictitious exp and color code data, and then everything was paid from them. now you can try to link cards of other banks using the same scheme, if you only have the CC number and you can then look at the mini-cards for confirmation
10:35:37 paypal_support: payment from BA is done in two ways: instant transfer and e-check
10:37:03 paypal_support: instant - this is when the payment is completed immediately after payment, and only after 3-5 days the PP withdraws money from the BA account
10:37:10 paypal_support: that is, the PP itself pays the shop
10:37:37 paypal_support: e-check - this is when the payment is completed after 3-5 business days, when this money leaves the BA and comes to the PP (something like a deposit, only the money immediately goes to the seller, and not to the PP balance)
10:38:23 paypal_support: if your payment went through an e-check and you want to ref to the balance, then do not write to the shop immediately after the order, otherwise the money will go back to the bank. you need to wait until the echeck is cleared and only then write to the shop about the ref. in this case, the money goes to the balance. but it happens that the shop says sorry, already sent and gives a track. here you can defend your own and say that you will unpack the pack and return the money, or wait for the pack. so it is better to write to the shops/sellers immediately after the echeck is cleared
10:39:13 paypal_support: when paying with cc, the ref goes to cc, never to the balance. so you can ref to the balance only when paying with ba
10:39:35 paypal_support: and now a life hack for those who don't value pp accounts and don't care about the limits
10:40:10 paypal_support: take a ba with a zero balance, or with a minimum balance, to make it cheaper
10:40:48 paypal_support: create self-registration, link our ba, vcc, cc for greater trust in the account, confirm it (for this, it's better to take one with a vcc balance, not a zero balance). then monitor it well. after that we buy with BA instant as much as it gives, we wear out the account until we get tired of it, or the limit arrives
10:40:59 paypal_support: sellers and shops receive money immediately and send us the goods
10:41:14 paypal_support: after 3-5 business days the PP tries to withdraw money from the BA, but it is not there
10:41:39 paypal_support: writes to the mail so that we top up the BA account and it will try to withdraw money again in 3-5 days
10:41:56 paypal_support: during this time, if there is no limit, we buy more if it gives
10:42:08 paypal_support: when the PP fails to withdraw money from the BA account for the second time, it either limits the account, or drives it into the minus
10:42:23 paypal_support: the minus itself, if there is no limit, we can cover it from the bank. we knit a new large bank, track the account for a while and deposit several times
10:42:37 paypal_support: you can even change the deposit amount in such cases. if for example the account is -$100, then when closing the minus we deposit $300
10:42:46 paypal_support: and so it can give several times
10:42:58 paypal_support: as a result, with minimal investments we have a good profit in the form of stuff and also a balance on our account, if we're lucky
10:43:10 paypal_support: it used to work very well, but now in most cases the PP suggests making the first payments from the bank by e-check, and not instant from the bank
10:43:18 paypal_support: but maybe someone will find it useful
10:43:20 paypal_support: questions?
10:44:22 hanau16: How will this clear the E-checks?
10:44:43 paypal_support: the transfer from the bank to the PP will go through
10:45:05 paypal_support: that is, the PP will receive money from the bank that is linked to the account
10:48:00 paypal_support: any more questions?
10:48:12 Topsy Kretts: do you do this yourself?
10:48:23 Topsy Kretts: instant purchase
10:48:28 Topsy Kretts: well, according to this scheme
10:48:40 paypal_support: I used to do it, now it mostly gives E-checks
10:48:59 hanau16: Is it possible to choose instant or transfer yourself?
10:49:32 paypal_support: hanau16: no, the payment processor decides for itself whether the transfer will be by e-check or instant
10:49:40 paypal_support: depending on the trust in the account
10:50:22 hanau16: If you make a ref, is it bad for fraud?
10:51:24 paypal_support: hanau16: no, but there are shops that can make a ref with a fraud mark themselves, then it's bad for the account
10:51:48 paypal_support: but mostly refs are treated normally pp
10:54:20 Topsy Kretts: do you make the ref yourself?
10:54:56 paypal_support: sometimes yes. if you accidentally shipped something to the full address, or the product is some kind of crap
10:56:25 Topsy Kretts: oh, as an option, beat Chinashop and ref it then
10:56:33 Topsy Kretts: on CH specifically from a stick
10:56:54 paypal_support: many do this
10:57:18 paypal_support: do you have any more questions, or can I give you a little more info
10:57:33 bars228: and how does eBay feel about fraud?
10:57:47 Topsy Kretts: is ref done in the shop or in pp
10:57:55 Topsy Kretts: how to cancel this payment, cleared
10:58:57 bars228: http://prntscr.com/eq09ly hmm, just entered - immediately in complete, and prev. the transaction is still in pending
10:59:30 Topsy Kretts: o) cool
11:01:05 paypal_support: Topsy Kretts: write to the shop to cancel, or if the shop has such a function, then you can cancel by clicking a couple of buttons
11:02:27 Topsy Kretts: ok
11:04:55 paypal_support: well, will you listen a little longer?
11:05:11 bars228: sure
11:05:37 paypal_support: now here's a little bonus for you
11:06:30 paypal_support: at the last lecture I showed on timka how to register a PP account one way
11:06:45 paypal_support: I won't show it today, but I'll tell you how to do it another way
11:07:00 paypal_support: if you have a VCC or CC, then you can register a PP account through a purchase
11:07:10 paypal_support: that is, you take your CC, VCC, with or without a balance and go to a store that accepts PP
11:07:25 paypal_support: select a product, click on payment using PP and since you don't have an account, PP will offer to register it
11:07:40 paypal_support: enter the contact details, the email address that was registered under the PP account, the billing and shipping addresses, the first and last name from the full file and click pay
11:07:53 paypal_support: there are 2 options, if your card is active, has a balance and was not displayed in the PP, then the payment will go through and the account will be registered
11:08:07 paypal_support: or the payment may not go through, but the account will still be registered, you will be asked to come up with a password for the account
11:08:20 paypal_support: for another way to register a PP account, you need to know such a concept as send to an empty email
11:08:51 paypal_support: send to an empty email (or empty email) - sending money from a PP account to an email that is not registered in the PP system
11:09:37 paypal_support: that is, from your own acca pp, or through the same money changers you send a couple of bucks to the email that you just registered and haven't used it in pp yet
11:09:54 paypal_support: when the send goes through, a letter from the PP will be sent to your email, stating that the money has been received and can be collected by registering the account
11:10:39 paypal_support: click on receive money in the letter and register the account to the full address. that's it, we registered the account and the money is on the balance, then we withdraw it to the bank, or buy something, thereby pumping up the PP account
11:10:56 paypal_support: it seems that PP treats accounts registered in such ways more acceptably and gives better payments, deposits in the future
11:11:10 paypal_support: but I register the old-fashioned way, it gives anyway, it's enough for me
11:11:15 paypal_support: try it, test it
11:11:25 paypal_support: that's all, ask questions if you have any
11:13:07 Topsy Kretts: does it matter to send by 0.1, 1, or 10?
11:13:10 Topsy Kretts: isn't 0.1 fraudulent?
11:13:20 Topsy Kretts: for reg or for boosting, it doesn't matter
11:13:36 paypal_support: it doesn't matter how much you send
11:13:58 paypal_support: it happens that only when the amounts are large, then it can limit
11:14:07 paypal_support: and with small amounts everything is fine
11:23:27 Topsy Kretts: just now the 3-day echeck on eforchin was cleared
11:23:34 Topsy Kretts: and I don't see the cancel button
11:23:39 Topsy Kretts: I beat it 3 days ago I mean
11:25:35 paypal_support: write to cancel
11:25:50 anatoly26: Shall we see the practice today?
11:26:00 Topsy Kretts: like I made a mistake? i have s6 buy not s7 !
11:26:06 Topsy Kretts: but not*
11:29:40 paypal_support: no, that's all for today
11:30:32 ictus: please send me the full log in notepad! I'm late somehow

10:15:40 today's lecture won't be long, but we work as always, I give info and then questions
10:16:17 today we'll look at ways to drain pp
10:16:41 I already said in the last lecture that balance is the easiest to drain
10:17:00 balance can be drained almost anywhere, if you have an account with history and it's been sitting for a while
10:18:10 but now something's wrong with pp and there are accounts with balance and giving deposits, but they don't let you drain the balance. at the same time, they sometimes give purchases not even from the balance, but from the BA. this is exactly what happens with the balance after a deposit, if after a ref, then it allows you to drain the balance
10:19:18 it allows you to drain such balances only after a period of time, it is better not to overload the account so that it does not limit, but drain it little by little, if it does not give you everything at once
10:19:34 we move on to cashing out pp
10:19:55 the first thing is to send to the cashers. but it is not easy to find a good casher, and they will usually charge everyone under 50%. now from those cashers who are in the public like Persik, they are charged
10:20:12 I used to see a lot of topics on forums about cashing out pp, but now everyone has somehow quieted down, or they work quietly with regular customers, or they will charge only for themselves
10:20:30 Cashers accept either to their pumped up accounts via donation buttons, via payment, or simply send directly to their account
10:21:10 You can also upload to an empty email, that is, to an email that is not yet in the PP system. In this case, the PP sends a letter to the specified email stating that money has been received and can be collected by registering the PP account to this email
10:21:37 but now it seems like there is a hold when uploading like this, the PP sets it, but I'm not 100% sure. I just haven't done it myself for a long time
10:21:51 from the balance, and you can also shop from the BA
10:22:14 It's easiest to buy on eBay, sellers easily send to the address of the middleman, when many shops may not send. or you can also send directly to ru, if the seller sends
10:22:46 but do not forget that many shops are also on ebay and if the address of the middleman is in their blacklist, then they may not send
10:23:12 after registration I immediately put my accounts on ebay with purchases on the middleman. I beat the selection, since not every product allows to buy. but if it does not allow to buy even some coupon for $ 1, then I just leave this account for a couple of days, then I try again
10:23:44 on ebay I buy both from a guest and from a registered ebay account. gives differently, before it gave better from a guest, now from a registered ebay account. I will also say that with the old design of the PP it has not been working for me for a long time, although it offered to pay instantly from the BA, from the balance, etc., but then it gave an error
10:24:00 with the new design, if you got to the confirmation of payment, then you can assume that it will allow you to pay
10:24:18 which design is old, which is new? the new one is all beautiful and with blue payment buttons, the old one is wretched and with yellow payment buttons
10:24:33 but you can find shops where the PP fits much better than eBay. you just need to search well
10:24:45 you can also merge the stick into digital goods
10:24:55 various egifts, keys, etc.
10:25:07 it's not hard to find shops with all this, it's more difficult to enter and receive the goods
10:25:18 I once merged PP into tuna gifts
10:26:14 here are the shops http://www.itunescarddelivery.com/ or http://www.gamecarddelivery.com/ or http://www.thecardcloset.com/
10:26:53 the shops are different, but the office is one for everyone. even if you were caught in one of them and they don't want to send anything, ask for a refund and hit the other one, I did it and it worked
10:27:25 I used to get in with bank cards, now it seems like only from the balance, or instant from the bank card
10:27:43 when you've entered everything, then a letter will come to the mail asking to call, send documents, or a selfie with the order number
10:28:48 Calls should only be made from a substitute number, or from the one specified in paragraphs. but lately, when I ordered, I had to call twice, since nothing came to the mail from the first one
10:29:26 You can also call yourself, it seems like the robot needs to give the order number, full name and phone number
10:29:38 I called from Google Voice linked to the PP
10:29:49 You can also send a selfie with the order number. I tricked people on VK so that they would send me a photo with the order number on a piece of paper
10:30:22 It was even cheaper than calling
10:30:28 If everything is ok, then a letter with scans of gifts will be sent to your email
10:30:46 Subsequent entries from the same PP account can also pass this check, so don't rush to scam people if you are tricking them with photos
10:30:53 You can also look for your own shops and test them
10:31:05 Then we dump the gifts to buyers, or sell them ourselves. scoops can be found on the forum
10:31:15 another way to withdraw pp is in bitcoins
10:31:34 there are sellers on eBay who send bitcoins to the specified address, but now almost everyone asks for documents
10:32:00 there is also virwox.com, but there is a lot of hassle with it too. this office likes clean, previously unused IP and accepts mainly from the balance of the PP only
10:32:15 shops with bitcoins can also be searched and tested, but many shops now ask for verification, so be prepared for this
10:33:05 of course you can also drain the PP yourself and pour
10:33:14 there are countries with withdrawal to cards
10:33:22 https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/w...63663d3faee8d0b9dcb01a9b6dc564e45f62871326a5e
10:33:32 on this link we can choose the country and it will show where you can withdraw
10:33:48 for withdrawal you can send to empty mails, and then register to this mail the account of the country you need and withdraw, or accept to withdrawal accounts
10:34:03 for this you need a pumped up receiving account with history + it is better to mix it with white transacts on the output
10:34:19 of course you can always expect a limit, the main thing is not to give up and continue to work and there will definitely be a profit
10:34:26 that's all, let's ask questions
10:35:42 ictus: a pumped up receiving account with history, that is, we pump it with our own money?
10:35:49 Topsy Kretts: buy in RU - if the seller sends, then you can, as I understand? up to what amounts?
10:35:59 hanau16: Please throw me an approximate algorithm for pumping up an account until the normal possibility of withdrawal from the account begins
10:36:44 ictus: yes, like step by step, how to deal with the account, it is approximately clear, but I want to get at least some kind of output from the first self-registrations
10:36:47 hanau16: Is it possible to pump up a self-registration with the help of brute accounts PP?
10:37:08 Topsy Kretts: How often can I try to deposit? If I have never made a deposit. Can I try to buy after this? After an unsuccessful deposit! How long should I wait after an unsuccessful deposit?
10:37:18 ictus: for my own, you can mix it with a card
10:37:24 Topsy Kretts: how much does it give
10:38:02 ictus: it turns out you need to build chains of accounts
10:38:19 hanau16: you can always withdraw
10:38:49 ictus: the main thing is not to rush, and not to wear out the accounts
10:39:06 hanau16: you can, but such self-registration will not last long
10:39:54 Topsy Kretts: you can buy after trying to deposit
10:39:59 ictus: as an example, how many accounts are needed for normal operation to drain the balance from one account
10:40:55 ictus: for example, send from two accounts to the one we want to drain, also pay from it for small things, and then just drain? this point is not particularly clear
10:40:56 ictus: to drain the balance from one account, you need one account. another matter, in what way are you going to drain
10:41:42 ictus: are you talking about the balance on the PP account now?
10:41:45 ictus: then you need practice here already, and the scheme according to which to drain the balance or buy something,
then questions will arise
10:42:17 hanau16: is reselling software a real option?
10:42:24 ictus: can you work out the balance first
10:43:31 ictus: but I need practice, then there will be questions, it’s so difficult to ask questions in theory,
a lot is clear, I worked with PP, but there are things that I’m learning about for the first time
10:44:13 ictus: well then if there are questions, then I’ll give my toad
10:46:35 ictus: yes! I’ll find it!
thanks for the info on the stick! I think I should start with this)))
10:46:56 any more questions?
10:49:49 hanau16: CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG PP MOVEMENT IS SIMILAR TO FISHING EVERY DAY YOU CAN QUIETLY JERK OFF WITH A ROD OR YOU CAN CAST A NET SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR (NEW YEAR. SALES PERIOD. HOLIDAYS. VACATION PERIOD) IT'S HARD WORK EVERY DAY BUT THE RESULT IS VERY DIFFERENT
10:50:21 hanau16: ?
10:51:38 hanau16: yes, there are days when he gives everything to everyone for huge amounts, but they are not always on schedule) working with PP every day you can also earn good money, you just need to find your topic
10:53:21 hanau16: So you don't scatter?
10:54:31 Topsy Kretts: How often can I try to deposit?
10:54:38 Topsy Kretts:
10:54:57 hanau16: PP gives during sales, as well as on regular days, sometimes even worse
10:55:03 ictus: I also understood that you can work with PP 7 days a week? that is, not like with VB,
you can do self-registrations, for example, on weekends, but on weekdays you can spin them up and so on?
10:55:12 Topsy Kretts: yes, even every day
10:55:15 Topsy Kretts: in general, is it better and easier to fill the balance with deposits or refs? although if the goal is balik - both need to be done regularly
10:55:22 ictus: yes
10:55:22 Topsy Kretts: privet: doesn't that add points?)
10:55:29 Topsy Kretts: privet: if you deposit every day
10:55:45 Topsy Kretts: unsuccessful
10:56:16 Topsy Kretts: probably adds. I already said that it is better not to deposit. if you need a balance, it is better to ref from purchases
10:56:20 ictus: everything is more or less clear about the stick, the most painful question) what to do with the car? what are the main parameters to set? what to work on, grandfather or proxy?
10:56:22 Topsy Kretts: ok
10:56:30 Cboloch: (while the lecture was going on - http://prntscr.com/equnc6 - the shop was not closed for you on purpose.... this is payment from the BA of the brute stick)
10:57:17 ictus: as you prefer, you can try on both, then see where it gives better
10:57:21 Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: just now? does light send without problems with PP?
10:57:30 Cboloch: teach me
10:57:55 Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: as you can see....
10:57:57 Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: complete the lecture on brute for akam)
10:58:22 Topsy Kretts: buy brute, if verification doesn't ask - beat - profit
10:58:35 Cboloch: privet: you have a harsh sense of humor) compared to you, I walk on a stick in a nursery
10:59:34 bars228: Can you tell me more about how to make a ref? Just write to the shop that I didn't receive the goods or what?
10:59:52 Topsy Kretts: bars228: I wrote this in efochin. they told me ok. but they haven't done it yet (11 bak)))
11:00:00 Topsy Kretts: the echeck has cleared.
11:00:04 bars228: Or before sending?
11:00:10 ictus: I understood about the ref that it's a little different, to write after 2-3 hours that you changed your mind about buying
11:00:25 bars228: there was info in the last lecture on refs
11:00:36 ictus: right
11:00:47 ictus: before sending right? some shops also indicate that, for example, the order will be accepted in a couple of hours and you won't be able to cancel it, etc.
11:01:25 ictus: well, you can ref after the pack has arrived for fun))) or check whether the shop gives ref via the stick or not
11:01:57 ictus: you need to have time before shipping
11:04:09 Topsy Kretts: will an attempt to deposit affect the success of buying something?)
11:04:39 it shouldn't, but with PP anything can happen
11:08:27 Topsy Kretts: oh! the first e-checks have cleared now! three pieces after the first lecture. and there's already 1 track
11:08:42 Topsy Kretts: Now you can hit eBay again, for a higher amount
11:08:43 Topsy Kretts: right?
11:09:04 Topsy Kretts: yes
11:12:07 Topsy Kretts: http://prntscr.com/equvbt damn, here it is - the crookedness of the full account
11:12:43 Topsy Kretts: either I was in a hurry
11:13:47 or the full account is crooked, or I accidentally mixed up the month and date
11:14:10 anatoly26: privet: I have a question about self-registration - I registered after the first lecture, still hasn't given it, a small limit arrived - I received a message on my phone number and it's not clear what to do with this account?
11:14:33 anatoly26: in storage for now
11:14:49 anatoly26: privet: How long?
11:14:52 Topsy Kretts: privet: dob change only through support? What if I made a mistake?
11:16:19 anatoly26: at least a week
11:16:56 anatoly26: privet: How to check if the IP for the stick is in black?
11:17:30 Topsy Kretts: it's better not to mess with such accounts with sapp. just close it, or use it for purchases only
11:17:44 anatoly26: no way
11:19:12 ictus: about ded or socks is clear, browser settings? the machine itself? is there anything mandatory?
11:19:53 hanau16: have you never used man korban dalas?
11:20:31 ictus: the same as for VBINs with CC settings
11:20:33 hanau16: no
11:22:46 any more questions, or is that all? in any case, you can write to me with any questions
11:23:10 Topsy Kretts: thank you very much
11:23:19 Topsy Kretts: I will definitely write
11:26:29 bars228: thank you
11:26:40 bars228: is this the end of our training?
11:27:15 bars228: probably, with this question to Tauris
11:27:32 bars228: finished with self-registrations
11:32:10 Topsy Kretts: I don't believe in dep at all, damn it! I just checked 12 accounts for dep
11:32:18 Topsy Kretts: not a single one gave. 3 invalid full
11:32:31 Topsy Kretts: ebay is really "easy". Compared to depot
11:33:38 ictus: did you just buy on ebay through PP and link your BA to it?
11:34:01 Topsy Kretts: yes.
11:34:06 Topsy Kretts: did you do everything from the first lecture
11:34:10 Topsy Kretts: plus registered on ebay through an intermediary
11:34:15 Topsy Kretts: entered the address
11:34:21 Topsy Kretts: and hit with PP
11:40:31 anatoly26: Topsy Kretts: Are you from grandpa or virt + tunnel?
11:42:23 Topsy Kretts: grandfather
11:42:35 Cboloch: anatoly26: the screenshot that I gave above about brute force from a stick was from a virtual machine + tunnel.
11:42:57 Cboloch: working with a grandfather is always better.
11:44:06 anatoly26: Cboloch: I was told about such miracles, but it is important that there are trans
11:44:56 Topsy Kretts: Cboloch: tunnel for a spike in the LIGHT shop or for a CH stick? (if it is known at all before entering the account)
11:46:04 Cboloch: Topsy Kretts: the tunnel is known, but the "secret" is different:
11:46:09 Cboloch: 1. a stick from 2009
11:46:30 Cboloch: 2. everything is confirmed (completed - both the bank and the cards)
11:46:57 Cboloch: 3. five transactions (30-40 bucks) over the last two months CH.
11:47:19 anatoly26: Cboloch: yesterday I also got a stick from 2005, there are about 90 dollars in transactions every month, sending and receiving, I don't remember what I did with it, there was no tunnel I think
11:48:41 Cboloch: anatoly26: I should have hit it)
11:49:58 anatoly26: Cboloch: YOU prompted me to find that account

 

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Drop projects for buying/forwarding

Always check the region of reception for pickups in the jabber.

Country of receipt of the pack	Occupation	Shipping conditions	Goods for buying	Contacts	Buying percentage	Cost of storing the pack	Minimum cost of pack
Spain	Forwarding	10% (minimum 60€, maximum 100€)		gshn424@exploit.im salandors@xmpp.jp		Free for 5 days, then 10€ per day.
USA	Buy		Liquid	whitetiger@exploit.im	25%-45%		300$
USA	Forwarding	70$		marvelservice@exploit.im		Free for 3 days, then $5
USA	Buy \ Forward	Forwarding what is not bought 10% minimum 70$	Mostly liquid	krots@xmpp.jp krots@xjabber.org	20%-45%
USA	Buy \ Pickup		Liquid	quinn@xta.im			1200$
Poland	Buy \ Forward	65 euros or 10%	Liquid \ A bit of a nerd	tonybravo@wwh.so mishaech@wwh.so	25%-45%	Free 7 Days, then 2-5 Euro
USA	Buy \ Pickup		Liquid	saharov@chatme.im	20%-36%		1300$
USA	Buy \ Forward	50\50	Liquid \ Illiquid	yukosstuffservice@exploit.im	25%-45%		450$
USA	Buy		Liquid \ Illiquid	pack@black0ut.cc	15%-45%		200$
USA	Buy	60$ or 50\50	Liquid \ Illiquid	dropify@linuxlovers.at dropify_support@linuxlovers.at	25%-50%
USA	Buy \ Forward	50\50	Liquid \ Illiquid	walmart@0nl1ne.at walmart@lethyro.net
USA	Buy \ Forward		Liquid \ Sometimes illiquid	support@strongjabber.cc success@strongjabber.cc	30%-40%		300$
USA	Buy \ Forward		Liquid \ Illiquid	carrier@jabber.ccc.de carrier_reserve@exploit.im	20%-45%		250$