INTERPOL DETAINS A FAMOUS CARDER: Exclusive from the scene

Larin with you and today we have a new interview with Sergey Pavlovich after his detention by Interpol in St. Petersburg. You will learn how Sergey was detained in a hotel, what happened to him in the law enforcement department and why he was detained. How the government monitors us with the help of CCTV cameras, and we will also discuss many interesting news and situations about hackers.

Sergey Pavlovich is the most famous carder in the CIS. In total, his former organization was accused of damages of one billion (1,000,000,000) US dollars, while Sergey himself (the People.pro channel) was listed as owed more than a million dollars by a court decision - more than $36 million.

Contents:

• Beginning of the interview
• Arrest of Sergei Pavlovich by Interpol
• Today's journalists are not journalists
• Andrey Loshak and his film about carders
• How did the arrest take place and for what reason?
• Don't you think it's because of the signing of the agreement between the US and Russia?
• I am showing video footage from CCTV cameras
• How do they use CCTV cameras to monitor people?
• Who was the most interesting carder during your interviews?
• Phishing is evil
• Kaspersky, Cybergrandfather and others
• Team of the People Pro channel
• How has life changed since our last meeting?
• Are you planning to obtain Russian citizenship?

Beginning of the interview
Larin:
Hello, Larin with you. Today we have a guest, or rather, I am a guest of Sergei Pavlovich. Hello, Seryoga.

Carder:
Hello. And we are in the royal suite of the Emerald, where, in fact, UnderPool detained me three days ago.

Sergei Pavlovich's detention by Interpol
Larin:
It's scary to be here, what if they detain me now too. Tell us how it happened, because the events, as I understand it, are resonant, hundreds of publications around the world began to write about it, somehow in our Russian information field it went by quite calmly, but it made a splash around the world.

Carder:
Thousands, thousands, I would say.

Larin:
Thousands of publications?

Carder:
Yes, thousands of publications, I wrote about the St. Petersburg ones from Fontanka alone, and then I finish there, I don't know, I don't own all of your publications. It's just that after that, half the world was calling and writing to my relatives, friends, and business partners, and what happened. Because the journalists wrote that I was detained in pursuit of big headlines, but they didn't write that I was released the same day. But did they know that?

Larin:
Yes, they knew, of course, of course. They could have written something like, but given the lack of evidence of a crime, Sergei Pavlovich was released the same day?

Carder:
So, out of about 50 articles that I personally opened in Russian, only two wrote that I was released a few hours later. A few more wrote that he would probably be released. Well, everything else, I was just like, you know, at first.

Larin:
Yes, yes, like all journalists are now striving for news hooks. By the way, have you had any other moments when they made news hooks out of you?

Carder:
Well, someone is always trying to make news out of me, but no, in general, my life is probably pretty calm. That is, I used to have some articles about me and filming, well, more like, you know, purposeful, that is, a journalist or an employee of some TV channel would come with a very specific goal, so that I would give a comment on some topic. And I don’t like communicating with Russian journalists. For example, one of the best journalists flew in from Germany, from Switzerland, Germany.
I spent two days with her, she was in our office, we spoke everything in English, she wrote for me for the radio and for the magazine and it’s nice to work with them, because they don’t make impossible promises. Ours live, a living example, the channel “Redaktsiya”, for example, filmed me.
Well, I'm very busy, I have a lot of businesses, as you know, all sorts, and other activities, I have 6 Telegram channels, 3 YouTube channels, because one is now being used as a charity fund, we want to slightly turn the charity market in Russia in general, well, to show that we cannot, I am not Putin, and neither are you, yes, and we cannot, in fact, stop two wars tomorrow in Syria and Donbass, for example, and reduce the amount of evil in the world, but each of us can increase the amount of good, that is, with some small deeds, there, go to the neighbors. The truth, for example.

Larin:
Guys, the primacy of truth is the topic that I am pushing now, because this can explain many bad things, indeed, as you say, the amount of evil should be reduced, and we are all actually capable of this, one way or another. Just darkness, light, yes, that is, you give more light.

Carder:
And that's it. Uncertainty gives birth to fear in part. And in connection with all this I am very busy, really very busy, and I spend time on journalists, and accordingly I want to get some profit for myself, and not just make them content for free, well, what about me, well, several hundred thousand people see it there, well, many people see me anyway, I have 50 million views on the channel over 23 years. And it turns out that we agree that you will leave a link to the channel in a prominent place, you will show the name of the channel and you some small screencast.
In the end, they left the link somewhere in the basement of the description, wrote to Black Dream for help and participation in the filming of Sergei Pavlovich, cut out the name of the channel, did not show the screencast and I regard this as simply a failure to comply with the agreement and this discourages the desire to communicate with Russian journalists. Yes, yes, yes. Like crows flock to corpses, that's all.

Today's journalists are not journalists
Larin:
But now there is very, very, very little good journalism, everything basically comes down to news hooks and rewrites. I think that this is not journalism. Journalism is like the examples when a photographer sat for many hours in an Ushanka and a Peacoat with a camera to take a picture of Khodorkovsky going to the bathhouse. You see, this is journalism, and everything else seems to have been lost, this is precisely the gonzo streak of our journalists.
Of course, there is, there is, undoubtedly, I will not cover for everyone, but in essence these are all news hooks and rewrites, the same thing happened with the news when they arrested me, that is, an instant leak of information, and on thousands of these Telegram channels there is information, and I see that they are already writing to me, everything is fine with you, and I am being searched by the Investigative Committee.
Therefore, yes, this is a very serious problem for our journalism.

Andrey Loshak and his film about carders
Carder:
Andrey Loshak, for example, now, remember Andrey Loshak on NTV?

Larin:
Loshak is cool.

Carder:
He makes good films. A good person in general and a journalist too. And he was just filming a film about Russian carders for Kinopoisk, for the platform. They paid for it. Yandex essentially paid, because Kinopoisk is their platform. And he made a pretty good film. He filmed me, BadB, and other top hackers. He filmed Boa, this is Roman Vega, who was in the state for 17 years. He flew to America, talked to this Russian hacker in prison on the phone. Number 1, I think, is a carder.
He talked to him and Russia Today recently accused him of filming this film with an agent, with some American money, and so on. Naturally, Loshak is going to sue them, maybe he already has for slander and so on. The story with foreign agents, of course, is terrible, we all understand that.

Larin:
And it's as if everyone has already accepted it, everyone's like, oh, well, I'll read this copypasta in caps now.

Carder:
You already...

Larin:
You don't notice. You don't notice anymore, it's as if you've developed banner blindness.

Carder:
Well, it's just, these are the least of their worries, they have other problems because they work. Yes, that's true. And that's it, and Russia Today has gotten so carried away, and then they write to me literally 5 days after this story, they write to me, we're starting to shoot a big film about hackers here and there, would you like to take part? Well, naturally, what could my answer be? Of course.

Larin:
At one time, I made a decision regarding all the calls, letters from TV channels, some publications to take part, to film, to completely refuse, with only one exception, if you're broadcasting live, that's all. I don’t take part in yours anymore because, a, you’ll edit it, b, you’ll take it out of context, and so on…

Carder:
As always. Well, yeah, yeah. But by the way, I should add that I sometimes act for money. That is, either we keep to the agreements, or strictly for money. And we do whatever you want. Black sheep, at least a tuft of wool, you know? But so far we’ve only been paid a few times.

How did the arrest happen and for what?
Larin:
Well, they’re being pushy, okay. Still, getting back to the story with the arrest, tell us for what, why, how did it happen, and for how long did you experience discomfort from it?

Carder:
Well, now I’ve been alone here for several days in the room, but I had a bunch of friends here from the art world, that is, there are constant binges, visiting theaters, museums, private galleries at 2-3 in the morning, well because St. Petersburg, yes, everyone knows each other, the art world is not that broad. And we have breakfast at 2 o'clock, we slept through breakfast, we went to a restaurant for lunch, here at the hotels restaurants are open, well, how could it be otherwise, even with these Covid restrictions.
We went to a restaurant, we were sitting there, eating, we had just ordered, they brought it to us, two people in civilian clothes came in and started asking what numbers we were from, documents. At first we decided that it was just a QR code check, because when checking in here they look at the QR code about vaccination or a previous illness, and our QR codes were all in order.
So, and then they asked for last names here and there, I said mine, they said, well, basically, we came to see you. But politely, like two adult employees, well, one of them was 38, the other 45, they pestered, by the way, the SIU, showed the criminal investigation department and said that you are wanted by Interpol, we are on the Interpol line, I said, that is, some kind of American question, yes, an old one. Did you tense up?
Well, I tense up at that moment when I simply heard my last name. Well, you know, I wasn't so tense when I was actually arrested, because I had a reason, I had something to hide, I had elements of a crime, of course, I already understood then that they hadn't come for nothing.

Larin:
Is this about old cases, you mean? Yes, about old ones. By the way, gentlemen, we have a video, we are also talking in a different setting with Sergei, a wonderful video, watch it, you will understand a lot of information for yourself in general, if we don't have time to fully disclose that Sergei Pavlovich, I think that you all only know Sergei Pavlovich, because his book is still selling, how wonderfully everyone reads. Well, you post a link to that video, you advance.

Carder:
And we... Ah, I wasn't so tense yet, because they immediately, you see, indicated what issue they came for. That is, Interpol, the US search, this has been going on since 2007, despite the fact that I have already served 10 years for this in Belarus. All this is still going on and sooner or later they had to question me, interrogate me, and so I somehow relaxedly say, can I finish eating, I finished eating, and they just brought me food hungry.
Were they sitting and watching you eat? No, they modestly sat down to the side, we in my company were still drinking beer, that is, I had half a glass there, and I just finished eating, by the way, I ate a chicken Kiev, and that's it. But you know, here too, it seems to me, here on the part of the police, well, probably a little respect, some kind of aesthetics. Expensive hotel, expensive restaurant. It's not every day that they detain you.
It's not every day that they go to detain a person, a foreigner, because the Belarusian is on Interpol and wanted by the US, so they understood the situation, for which I am grateful to them, and simply waited, I finished eating calmly and we went to the police station. But here you also need to understand, all people in principle, it is not a fact that everything could end on the same day, the prosecutor could be busy or went to the whorehouse and that's it, and he could say "Let's bring him to me tomorrow at 12 o'clock or I'll come myself."
And it turns out that I would have spent a day in this MBC and not made a mistake. That is, no matter what, it doesn’t matter if someone is a policeman, a criminal, or someone else. First of all, you need to remain human and understand each other’s situations. One hundred percent. And I really like it, I live like this now. I constantly have some questions at work, in business, when I can act dishonestly, but not even dishonestly, but unfairly.
That is, to shortchange someone in something, to undercount someone, and so on, but for the last few years, I always put myself on, right then it’s like a switch turns on for me, I put myself in his place, would I like you to do this to me, would I not like it, that’s all. It really helps to live. This is advice, let all viewers use it.

Larin:
My viewers, I think, know it, because I always try to promote the golden rule in all its manifestations, and what you just said is also a manifestation of the golden rule, absolutely. Well, don't do the same to someone else, don't want it for yourself, the same projection, mirroring the person's situation and your influence on it. How long did you spend? I spent at the station.

Carder:
Three hours, of which I sat for half an hour right away, well, just in some common room. Did I wait for a long time? Half an hour, yes, just in a room where there were some others, not detained. You know, they were all Tajiks, Uzbeks, I talked to many of them, they were subject to deportation, for violating registration, for expired registration, but well, and well, I kind of enjoyed it, I was just sitting there with my mobile, I also
took a photo on Instagram, posted it specifically in black and white, wrote, I'm sitting behind bars in a dungeon.

Larin:
They probably started to worry.

Carder:
No, you know, half of them decided that it was some kind of surrealism, no one realized from this photo, not even my wife, that I was in a police station. And the news hadn’t spread yet?

Larin:
No, not then.

Carder:
It spread later.

Larin:
Oh, it’s just that the situation with me, when they took me, I was still sitting, just waiting for the interrogation, and Instagram and all sorts of Telegram publics started sowing this, and they started writing to me that everything is okay with you. I’m still waiting, I still don’t understand whether everything is okay with me or not. Although you know, this is a good question, I’ll look later.

Carder:
Once we finish filming, I’ll definitely look at the time of the article’s release. Did they leak it or not? If there is a time there. No, it’s quite certain that they leaked it. The question is when? Yes, the question is when. And after that I spent half an hour there with my mobile phone, and then they locked me in the monkey house, that's where the cell is, there are 3-4 people there. They took away my phone, my shoelaces. Shoelaces, they even cut the shoelaces off this, I have a very expensive sweater, Nike, well, it's cool with these, they cut the shoelaces off the hood, because it was impossible to get them out.
I say to this legoam, well there was a major there, he was so old, I say, well why are you doing this now, you know why I'm here, I'm not going to commit suicide, because it's absurd. You saw where I live, in what hotel, I'm fine. He didn't see, he doesn't need to, but he says, these are the rules. They locked me in this cage for half an hour, I lay down, there are these stone benches, well, narrow ones, but you can stretch out quite well.
I sat up and lay down, or rather, I thanked fate that I happened to be wearing a hoodie, put the hood up and just went into that… I wanted to sleep, but there was one guy snoring really loudly, I can’t stand snoring on a physical level, I can hear it, you can, I’ll sleep, you can have a concert with Nirvana next to me, I don’t care, but if a person snores even 30-20-10 meters away from me, I can hear it even
with earplugs, and that was pure hell when I was sitting in prison, in a room like the one we’re filming now, where there could be 15-20 people in a room like that, and most of them snore, and it drove me crazy, really, I don’t know, another couple of years of this torture and we wouldn’t be talking to each other now. Ksyusha tells me the same thing about my temple. Really? Yeah, she can’t stand it either. And in general, I didn’t know how long I would spend there, so I decided to sleep.
But I didn’t get to sleep, because after about half an hour they pulled me out, and I was prepared that, well, I understood, specifically knowing the mechanics of their work, that it would be either today, maybe five or six hours, as it happens, or tomorrow, if the prosecutor really doesn’t want to talk today. And half an hour later the prosecutor came, asking me, by the way, quite typical questions.
That is, the first question was whether I knew that I was wanted by the United States through Interpol. Naturally, I knew. And the second question was whether I had US citizenship. The third question was whether I had been to the US. And he didn’t know, they had never encountered such a practice when they fill out this questionnaire, this form, they had never encountered it, at least not in the St. Petersburg one, this is the prosecutor’s office, I answered that I had never been to the US, I am not a citizen, and there had been no such cases yet.
And he called the Eastern leadership and asked what to write there. And the third question was, where did you live, reside, where and with whom in 1992. And I asked him what it was, why then, I was still a child then. And he says, well, in short, there in the US in 1992, or in Interpol, or in the US, some act was adopted, but a special one, so he always has such a question in the questionnaire.

Larin:
You need to google it. You need to ask it, but it is strange for a person who was a child in 1992.

Carder:
Well, that's why exactly. You have to answer specifically where you lived, in what country in 1992. And that's it. Then he left. They didn't lock me up in the monkey house anymore. I tell him, what will happen? He says, I'll go to the prosecutor's office now, sign the boss, he'll call and tell them to let you go. He says, I don't know, 30 minutes, an hour. They let me go after 40 minutes, and they already brought me the shoelaces, that is, they knew everything. They brought me the shoelaces, I've already recorded a couple of funny videos on my phone, like shoelaces in a sofa.
I say, I didn't think about it, I didn't guess. Well, that's it. So these are all old cases, because of them I've already served my sentence and I hope this won't happen again. But I'm still in the process of obtaining Russian citizenship, because I've lived here for a long time and I have several companies where I'm either the full owner and director, or just a participant, founder, and I do business.
And, in principle, I am also not happy here, just like you are not happy with the climate and many other things, but, in principle, I have seen much worse things in my life. Of course, not everything is ideal with the fact that I am now in Russia, but I can put up with it, it is not the worst thing I have seen, even in Belarus, you see, I am not even talking about prison.
So I am quite comfortable here, and I want to do business here and charity, but the only thing I miss is a house in Sochi in the mountains, you see, because I also love the sun and the sea.

Larin:
I thought you would say Drannikov.

Carder:
Drannikov.

Don't you think that this is because of the signing of the agreement between the US and Russia?
Larin:
Don't you think that this situation that arose with your arrest is somehow connected with the fact that relatively recently Russia and the US signed something there, agreed on something there regarding the exchange of cybercriminals. There was such a moment recently.

Carder:
Yes, it was in the summer, just at the beginning of summer or spring, I don’t remember exactly, there was a serious incident on a global level. The most sophisticated computer attacks now, hacker attacks, well, of course, they break crypto exchanges in 3 months, I wrote an article yesterday, hackers stole more than a billion dollars from crypto exchanges. Is that for a year or in total? Logically, of course, in 3 months. This is known, that is, some exchanges will not say that they were stolen, because this is a huge reputational cost.
Their own, yes.

Larin:
And that’s why they steal, well, they steal, yes. So, let's talk about this agreement between Russia and the United States on the exchange of cybercriminals, as I understand it. For the cyber world, this is a serious event. What do you think about this, do you know?

Carder:
This is serious because in addition to thefts, just money, there is also ransomware, a ransomware program, encryption programs, when it is encrypted, for example, they encrypted Garmin, and Garmin is not only watches-navigators, it is also all ships and all planes, this is Garmin. They were encrypted and they paid some huge ransom of about 20 million dollars to decrypt everything. But they did not have backups, if they had daily backups, they would have somehow sent them to hell and would have identified these viruses and restored the system within a day or two.
This is one of the most famous cases. Apple had something, or rather not Apple, but its contractor, who assembles laptops for them somewhere in Malaysia or Taiwan, I don’t remember. Okay, that happened too.
But the Russian group Darkside, they blocked the gas pipeline to the US, it was called the Colonial Pipeline, and for several days, probably 5 days, there was a shortage on the US East Coast, a shortage of gasoline, because these are billion-dollar losses, and they paid the money, they paid a ransom of 4-4 million dollars, but then they found out who it was, that even the hackers couldn’t take out some of the money, they froze the crypto exchanges where they exchanged it, and this, of course, showed the seriousness of the entire threat with Ransomware, with encryption programs. And Biden directly with Putin, because they roughly know who it is, and DarkSide is a Russian group, they, naturally, in June, I think, discussed this.
And on October 31, the New York Times wrote that lists of exactly those they are interested in were transferred here.

Larin:
And in the other direction, do you think some groups or specific characters were leaked?

Carder:
I don’t think so. Americans in politics, somewhere wars seize territory, seize oil, yes, that's understandable, but somehow they are not very interested in affairs in other countries. An American lives there within the borders of his city, as I talk to people who have spent a lot of time in the States, and he does not even know where Russia is, privately. Half of them can talk about some Belarus and so on. They have definitely not heard of Serbia.
Accordingly, American hackers have nothing to do in our latitudes, because what will they steal from us? Your mother's salary or mine from a debit card that the bank transferred?

Larin:
And our law enforcement agencies have no claims against American hackers, and cannot have any, because no one cares? Because they just...

Carder:
I am not interested in Russia. There is some cyber espionage, but America is a much more advanced country in terms of technology, and what would they steal from us, in essence? But China, and North Korea, they certainly steal everywhere in Russia. But this concerns defense, military secrets, some technological developments in the field of heavy engineering, and so on. This exists. Therefore, in the opposite direction, I think that it does not work, but the lists were transferred, New York St. Petersburg is a fairly respected building, we basically understand this,
and either I was pulled in connection with this, perhaps my name is also on these lists, I don’t know, or it’s just some kind of real coincidence, that is, the databases were swept away. I arrived in St. Petersburg, checked into a hotel, and immediately surfaced somewhere in Antarctica.

Larin:
Some kind of procedure, yes.

Carder:
But I have lived in dozens of hotels over the 6 years that I have lived in Russia. Yesterday we came to the lawyer and still came to the conclusion that it was an accident, because the American prosecutor's office even knows that we have already started to resolve this issue. We will now prove to them with my sentences from the Belarusian court that I served time for American episodes, among other things. And the prosecutor's office said that in this case we do not mind closing the case. The judge will put a period, but we personally do not mind.
And we are already at the beginning of this process.

I show the video recording from the surveillance cameras
Larin:
Seryoga, what is this? So, I am watching the avenue along which I walked to your hotel. I see your hotel from the surveillance cameras. Is this the camera on the corner, right? Yes. And I see you with some citizen. You are in a cheerful mood, as I understand it, but some hackers broke in.

Carder:
Well, this is me leaving, this is me leaving with a policeman.

Larin:
How did this happen?

Carder:
Leaving the hotel with a policeman, yes. This is a police officer, but I naturally blurred his face, because, well, it's quite clear, yes, that is, he is an active member of the criminal investigation department. Of course, he shouldn't, right, the police? Yes, that is, he still has to catch criminals, essentially real ones, not like me, but real ones, yes. How did this happen?

Larin:
How did this hacking of the surveillance camera happen?

Carder:
Who did it? Listen, well, this was leaked to me in one chat, yes, they just sent it to me on Telegram and that's it. The guy immediately asked what time you were taken away, I say about some time, and he already had access, as he claims, to all the cameras in St. Petersburg.
Because here even the view in these photos, this is from several cameras, and I am already getting comments on Instagram, by the way, subscribing to my Instagram, sometimes interesting things slip through there and they write that it was a hotel employee who leaked it. But a hotel employee cannot be cameras from neighboring streets, so to speak. Yes, of course. Therefore, yes, leaky IT systems, state, but you know everything, it is poorly protected.

Larin:
That is, it cannot be an employee of some agencies, it can be a leaky system, you mean in Listen, but it was just in a hacker chat. That is, you do not know the source and method of gaining access.

Carder:
That is, theoretically we can assume that this is a law enforcement officer, but he is in a hacker chat. Good question, and can there be an employee of the structures in a hacker chat? Well, of course, it's always there, they're on all carding and hacking forms, that is, it's intelligence work, essentially, and quite successful and effective.

Larin:
But intelligence work is actually the most effective in the fight against extremism, against terrorism.

Carder:
Well, and against the mafia. That is, the US used agents to fight the mafia in the 70s, then this tactic was adopted by the US Secret Service, which suppressed all my cases from me, because they are engaged in the protection of the highest US officials, like our FSO, and they are also engaged in the investigation of cybercrime, that is, fraud and computer crime.
We have different structures. Yes, of course, different, but somehow it historically happened that the Secret Service is also engaged in this. So theoretically he could be a law enforcement officer, theoretically he could be an employee of some services that, in addition to law enforcement, have access to the city's video surveillance system, and he could also be a hacker who has long since gained access to this and that's it. But I have nothing to do with this.
As I wrote at my institute, it was simply sent to me by unknown well-wishers.

How do they use video surveillance cameras to monitor people?
Larin:
Yes, this is said rather so that you realize that there is no anonymity in principle. If it is known approximately where you are, when you are, then you will be found and followed along your entire route on the street. Right?

Carder:
Yes. And I looked into it, I have a video on my channel, by the way, we can leave a link. The Belarusians have a Kipot system, a Belarusian development, to which all the city's video cameras are connected, all the video cameras in private establishments, then They have a single system. Yes. They directly oblige you to install a camera, i.e. you are the director of a night club or restaurant, you must have a camera, you pay for its installation yourself, etc. And does it connect to the server via Wi-Fi?
I don't know if it's Wi-Fi or wired, but it's connected to this kipod. And kipod is a very system, look at my video, it's advanced, for example, it can count the amount of traffic at an intersection, i.e. see the entire traffic situation, the number of people in the square, i.e. very quickly.
Law enforcement officers have information, although they constantly lie about what happened at the rally, this is here, and in Belarus, and in Russia everywhere, in our post-Soviet countries, that there were 2,000 people there, but they know with the accuracy of a person how many there were, because it's a computer that sees everyone from above. Accordingly, you can make some predictions about where the crowd will go and so on, and law enforcement officers, of course, use this, But there are also tools that allow, what was most surprising, probably, by gait, that is, by the peculiarities of gait. Your appearance may be modified, your face may be hidden, but...
Is it that much? Yes, yes. In the video I showed that by the peculiarities of your gait they can still, plus or minus, if the face is hidden, two people in the same clothes are walking, for example, in a white jacket as a probability.

Speaker?:
They will determine with certain conclusions what it is.

Larin:
You.

Carder:
Yes. And they also lead you around the city, because they only need to upload your face to the database and it will show your entire route around the city. Even if you walk with your mobile turned off, because every camera you get to will make up your route in time. And if you walk the same routes or go to work, on business or for crime often, then they basically already know where to look for you, they don’t even need your hut, your apartment, as in your
case.

Larin:
But our case in St. Petersburg, it is still even lighter, because at least recently they rolled out a tender to develop what you just talked about. Here we are trying to understand how many of us there are in total, the workload of key nodes and so on.

Carder:
You already have things that... But you filmed a year ago,

Larin:
A year and a half ago I filmed about this system. What do you think about such tracking capabilities, that is, anonymity, that's it, we should forget about it, where is this heading? Because we have the case of Hong Kong, where at first people fought with these cameras, protesters, there are their own problems with China, if you don't know, look, google what they had there, what movements, but they eventually came to elections, and the elections filtered out non-patriots, i.e.
They let in, based on the data that the cameras collected, well, they singled out, in short, participants in the riots and only patriots voted, this is, in my opinion, 25% or something very little, i.e. this is a direct influence on political.

Carder:
And social life. I didn't know about this case.

Larin:
No, and, yes, this case is quite unpopular, but somehow it didn't make a noise, it was the protests themselves that made the noise, i.e. That is, they learned to disable masks with powerful lasers, of course, to move along certain paths and so on, but at the end they still filtered them all out, there were votes now, naturally, only patriots voted, this is exactly the formulation of the question, patriots can vote.
That is, where is this heading in our CIS, you still have familiar contacts, more information, how could you predict what this could lead to?

Carder:
Well, to even greater control over the behavior of the masses, that is, which in principle the government of many authoritarian and totalitarian countries is striving for, we just can't contain it in any way, this is technical progress, like in China, for example, your entire social sphere is already being formed there, that is, video surveillance. Yeah, you crossed the road in the wrong place, which means you are a potential violator, maybe a criminal, maybe you shouldn't be given a credit card, and if you should, then some small one, just enough for a hot dog.
That is, everything is heading in this direction all over the world. But it's one thing when it is in the hands of some governments that can be influenced in democratic countries. For example, in California, they signed a ban on this surveillance, you understand? And it's another thing when it is in the hands of wild countries, where it can't be influenced in any way, then it becomes a tool of pressure on society, a pretty serious one.
And I, since we can't contain it, am for it if it is used for legal purposes, that is, any of you will agree now that if your mother was robbed or your child was kidnapped, that's a blessing. This is a blessing, and when they are looking for you to find you and put you in jail on a trumped-up charge, and you were hiding so well, you already know that you are wanted
and they found you thanks to this system - this is definitely evil.

Larin:
We will not dismantle it completely, because in that tender, which is on the website of our government St. Petersburg resources, one of the reasons was - if this is implemented, it is great - traffic optimization. If key nodes are failing, they will find a way to make traffic better and so on, but when you are recognized by your gait.

Carder:
They are starting to recognize you... So that you understand, in the description of the kipod and in the goal of developing this system there was traffic optimization and there is something slightly different - optimization of parking spaces, that is, so that there are smart parking lots, they show where a space has become available.
So you come to a parking lot, for example, it’s all full, but somehow, I don’t know how, that is, they tell you that there is, for example, another parking lot 100 meters away, and so on, that is, specifically for traffic, you see, it all starts well, the road was sent out with good intentions.

Who was the most interesting carder during your interviews?
Larin:
You say that you sit in all sorts of Telegrams, hacker resources, forums, I know that you filmed different carders. Here are two questions. The first, who was the most interesting, the most resonant information, reported to you, and with whom would you like to film an episode on the "People Pro" channel. With whom did you do it and with whom would you make content.

Carder:
I did, he was a good guy, he is, he just moved from Singapore, he is from Group-IB, he is one of the top employees, cybersecurity specialists from Group-IB. They recently put him in jail for treason, they are sewing up a case against Ilya Sachkov, who created this company, one of the most famous and respected private cybersecurity companies in the world. He created an international business.

Larin:
And this company, it cooperated with the state.

Carder:
Yes, of course. Because the investigators' competencies are not enough for complex cases, because they use technologies right up to, for example, a computer. So they went into the criminal's apartment, presumably, and if they did not let him turn off the computer, and even if he managed to turn it off, then the computer needs to be frozen, or the phone, or the laptop, it needs to be frozen in nitrogen, in liquid, where it is minus 96 degrees.
What? Are you serious? Yes, of course.

Larin:
The computer in nitrogen, the system unit, they pour it into a vat?

Carder:
Maybe they surround it with some kind of bags, I don't know the whole story. What's the point? That is, nitrogen will not give, well, it will leave the state of the RAM. You can google it, I didn't know myself, I read about it in one book. It's crazy. It will allow certain programs to suck out the remains of your RAM when they bring it to their lab. And there may be passwords, scraps of something. And this has already helped in investigating high-profile cases.
I haven't heard about it. It was a specific case, it wasn't in Russia, it was in the States, but nevertheless I found out about it and all my sources confirm that it is technically possible, not always advisable, but possible and in a very difficult case. Of course, it will be used.
Sachkov was involved in just such things, can he tell us about this topic, I wonder? Yes, Sachkov was involved and, I hope, will continue to do things sooner or later, they protect a lot of commercial structures, banks, they protect Ozon, for example, recently they threw me copyright rights, because they protect the Ozon brand. Of course, I removed everything and in response sent us an email greetings to Nikitin and Sachkov. And they are engaged in monitoring phishing sites, this is when there is just a fake site, I don't know, Sberbank.

Phishing is evil
Larin:
Phishing is evil. It has been going on since the 2000s, this is crazy. Why is this still insincere?

Carder:
This is also evil because the moderation of the same Yandex or Google, when you buy contextual advertising from them, yes, Yandex.Direct or Google Adsense, Edwards, Google AdWords. Attackers bypass this and make a clone, for example, of some crypto exchange or I don’t know, gift certificates, well, there are many things you can do, right? And
it’s just in the search results, because this is a paid advertising link, in the search results it is higher than the original exchange, because the first places, they are not occupied by the brand.

Larin:
Well, yes, I understand, there is no moderation.

Kaspersky, cybergrandfather and others
Carder:
It is, but it is of poor quality and they bypass it. Therefore, Well, phishing is, of course, 100% evil. Well, yes, it would be interesting to talk to him. Then Kaspersky, I wrote to the Kaspersky Lab several times. It's strange that in their large companies they don't have any of these elevators to get to someone. Do they need them? Write to e-mail, write to e-mail, we'll answer, we answer all the e-mails that we receive, all the incoming correspondence, and a lot of them come, I think even more than in Kaspersky.
Companies don't answer. There should be some kind of feedback, but that's okay, that's about business culture. Well, I'd like to shoot Max Ray Butler, he's one of the most talented hackers in the world. There's a really awesome book about him, by Kevin Poulson, Kingpin. Our guys translated it. Probably with them.
And of course I want to film an interview, and it seems like this issue is already being lobbied with Scorpio, he is the number one hacker in my ranking table in the world, this is Vladimir Drinkman, a native of Syktyvkar, aka Scorpio, who is now finishing off a 12-year sentence in the United States. And now directly, well, in prison there are these phones, you can call, write letters, emails in American prisons.
And after the 31st, after all these events with Biden Putin, he somehow disappeared from communication. So, it is possible that Scorpio will end up in Russia in the near future. His term ends, I think, in 2020-2024, but I think that plus or minus, I will not be surprised even if he ends up in Russia in the next few months.

Larin:
We hope that he will be able to get out on parole, you will film the material. No, it is interesting to watch with hackers, with people from IT. Here's what I remember, off the top of my head, is Cryptodead, - Cyberdead, of course. - Ah, cyberdead.

Carder:
Cyberdead, yes. - That's what you called him, you called the dude cyberdead. - Cyberdead is the coolest. - He started the channel.

Larin:
He's like an acceptor, he's in the structures there, he's got some interesting insider information, and a digital footprint, really.

Carder:
He started a channel, I helped him, there, gave him some advice. And I helped, well, I basically help many of those who are filming with me to make channels, even those who are filming in my studio, simply because they bring us money, which is paid for by rent, there, it pays off from the operator's salary, I basically help all the residents of my studio to get their channels out there somehow with PR for free. Moreover, it's not by chance, guys, they were all on my channel, some SEO guys, bankers, someone else.
And I also helped Cybergrandfather a little, he's a good guy, it's not me filming for him, and his channel is now worth 50 thousand, literally in two months it has grown by 50 thousand, and Nikitin from the IB group, he was with me in 20 videos, but he didn't listen to me. If there were 5 million views with him in 20 episodes, maybe around 10 million with him, if he had made a channel from the first episode, and the first episode is 1.6 million, he would have already had 1300 on the channel, let's say even 200.
But he started it after moving to Singapore, he had time, he was isolating in a hotel, he still made a channel and now he has, I don't know, 1013 or 1016, this is from four videos.

Larin:
And the topic is expensive, the audience is specific, if it's in his profile, that's great. Who else did you remember there, this guy, I don't remember his name, unfortunately.

Carder:
Listen, I remembered him, dude, that's good, people love all sorts of freaks. I don't like it much, because when I hear that I worked there, this guy worked at Burger King, I think, and he stole like crazy. But in a black way, and large sums, in his understanding, are 500 thousand rubles a day. It's a little hard for me to hold back a smile when I see such sums, and he says, "I'm a king, I'm rich."
But he simply stole extra change from the cash register, he could not give change in kopecks, but in kopecks he would give rubles in a day, and already a couple of kopecks of these metal rubles are gone. He hid the money in a sock, there were also some other diversions, came up with ways to open the cash register without a higher-up manager, finished his beer, the foam settled somehow, and the last thing he ate was some semi-finished products in the refrigerator of this Burger King.
And such freaks, there were a lot of them, there is not even the video itself, it flew in normally, there are 200-300 thousand. And, by the way, there was an interesting moment, I put on the cover, not me, but my designer, Vasily Zimin, hi, Vasya, I put some dude on the cover, and the next morning this dude, David or something, writes to me on Instagram, he writes with aggression, I really don’t like it when people write to me with aggression, the court, the police, they immediately start threatening me, I immediately turn on the aggression in response.
- We can come to an agreement. - So, and I say, listen, he says, this is my face, here it is, this is an official photo shoot for Burger King, they had the rights to it. The court back and forth, I'm suing you. I say, yeah, dude, don't get all worked up. It's not my fault. The designer put up the photo, took it from the Internet, put it up. Now they've changed everything, no problems. There's not even that funny video itself, although it's certainly fucking funny, there were some funny comments.
I was just in St. Petersburg, it was August of this year, I was sitting on the shore of the Gulf of Finland, on some islands. There are these huge stones on Vasilievsky Island, just huge stones, and I laughed so much that I thought I was going to fall into the water. And everyone laughed, everyone who... In short, if you just want to laugh, you don't need to read jokes, some funny stories, just go to this video and just read the comments.
It's just a rip-off. Well, something like that. But there are, of course, episodes. To be honest, I like about 40% of what I've filmed. Sometimes there's no emotional connection, sometimes This topic is not very good, sometimes the heroes are downright stupid.

The team of the channel "People Pro"
Larin:
I think you liked the hero, because you also came out as a series with a guy whose agency, I don't remember the name, unfortunately, they analyze Bigdad. Artur Khachuyan. Artur. Everything, yes. In general, I learned a lot about Bigdads, and about bases, about influence, possible influence on some political aspects, about a very subtle target, really cool.

Carder:
Well, he couldn't say everything at all.

Larin:
I understand, I understand. So look, they are great, well, yes, if you can laugh, so I'll pluck.

Carder:
Well, if we close the topic of the channel, then now I just took the presenters, because I myself don't want to anymore, I want to appear there once a week, so that they don't forget, but it's also a small media empire, well, like my own TV channel. I have crypto presenters, there are full-time lawyers, we made a website for them, where they can provide some kind of consultation. And they churn out the releases themselves, without me already, I taught them everything.
And traffic arbitrage, crypto and investments, that is, we closed it, well, and legal, respectively, the fourth topic, seven releases a week, that is, we have an release every day per month.

Larin:
No, I'm taking my hat off, you made a business, you made everything autonomous, it's very cool, well, you know, in this regard, if you compare my channel and yours, then business is for you, what does a business do from a craft? You have creativity, you have clips, you have travel. Like that, yes. I'm also an introvert, but how is business different from craft? In that if the founder is killed, your business will continue, but mine won't.
So yes, it's really cool, I respect you for delegating and for all the processes.

Carder:
But bloggers should think about money, there is this Danil Kors, he has a cool channel, he is the YouTube producer of these bloggers, Danil Kors, an awesome guy, his course is very, very cool on YouTube. And he, since he leads many bloggers, he says that most channels, even large ones, close because people burn out, because they simply have no money. They work a lot, they do not see the money.
And first of all, we should always think about how to make money from a YouTube channel. Incoming advertising, YouTube views, affiliate links, your own merch and all that stuff. And when it will be, that is, first of all, you make some financial flows, small ones.

Larin:
You solve the financial issue and then do creativity.

Carder:
100%.

Larin:
No, I always recommend this to everyone on streams. People, many want to be creative, they don’t have the opportunity, because they are either studying, or they are currently working at another job that feeds them, and they just need to rent an apartment and so on. That is, do this in any free time, or if you are already a blogger and you have little money, try to convert your time into some penny, simply edit something in a stream that will allow you to think less about money, think more about content, about business, about what is really important to you.
This is true. Of course, without solving the financial issue, you will not be extremely free.

Carder:
Especially now it’s not so easy to move on YouTube, when you’ve gained a large audience, that is, now the competition is higher, people have less money, more work in connection with this, there’s no time to watch, well, and in general, you know, the audience, for example, mine, are adult guys, 25-34, 96% of my men are 25-34, these are ours, plus or minus age, but a little younger, and I understand them perfectly, they are super busy, many
with their own businesses, many from the private sector, from the state, and when do they watch these videos, especially so many, but that’s why they are not so active, that is, let’s say on Instagram I will have the same post, my wife and I will have 10 likes under it, well, not 10, I’m exaggerating, there will be 1000, but she will have 3000 at the same time, because
the audience is girls, teenagers, that’s it, they are more active.

How has life changed since our last meeting?
Larin:
They are more grateful, that's how they always work, yes. The audience of blogger A4. Yes, yes, there is also fanaticism and all that, with age fanaticism goes away, you start to be more critical of many things, you value information, you don't hang posters on the walls. I won't blow it up. Well, it's clear from your business processes. That is, I remember we met when you had other muses, lesser ones.
Now you are really expanding. What is your personal life now? How did your personal life change in our last meeting?

Carder:
Well, I got married. I got married on March 6. Congratulations, advice and love. Thank you, yes. My wife is Lithuanian. Well, she is Russian-speaking, of course, but she has a Lithuanian passport. And this makes me happy, because the children will have EU citizenship. And if I resolve the issue in the US, I think I will resolve it one way or another, sooner or later, then I will also have EU citizenship. It is not a fact that I will live in the EU, of course, I like Moscow.
The EU is good for Schengen. At least. Yes, and in general, in principle, everything is fine, and now it is no secret, probably for many, we are working on children, but it has not worked out yet. And, do you have any plans? Well, you know, age. How old are you? Now you will be 39 already. My wife is 32. This is not 20 years old, when a person gets pregnant immediately after the first sex.

Larin:
At what age did you start thinking about children in principle? Not now, but in the near future?

Carder:
Listen, in order to think about children, I am extremely disgusted by the position when some of my good-for-nothing, let's say, friends, acquaintances, not friends, but buddies, because my friends are smarter, even a little more significant, they made three children with an interval of six months, well, a year. Before thirty? Yes. No, not before thirty, to get a preferential loan for an apartment in Belarus.
Yes. We have that too, right? And now they really work two jobs, both he and she do not see the light of day and that's it. Horrible. That is, you lived, well, it turned out that way, yes, your parents in factories all their lives, after the war, famines, and now you will also make these three children famines, and, in fact, they will most likely repeat your fate.

Larin:
If there is no income.

Carder:
Yes. That is, they did it for one child.

Larin:
This is harsh, this is harsh, of course. They won't steal Burger Kings.

Speaker?:
Yes.

Larin:
And finish the semi-finished product.

Carder:
Yes. Have one child, so to speak, and give the maximum.

Are you planning to get Russian citizenship?
Larin:
You definitely won't have enough for three. I adhere to this position, in principle, it's absolutely right. But I have a slightly different headache, in principle, I don't want children, I am for the concept of the extinction of humanity, but that's a topic for another conversation. So, it turns out that you are, it turns out, planning Russian citizenship now?

Carder:
Yes, yes, yes.

Larin:
Permanent residence. I'll drop out the next day. And will you, then, put down roots here, for some time, at least? Yes, yes, yes.

Carder:
With children? Something like that.

Larin:
Well, I hope already with children, yes. And the school? Well, if you look further, will the school be here or already?

Carder:
Bye. Yes, you know, I prefer to solve problems as they come, because, well, the point is, you and I have talked a lot about fears, yes, well, the point is to be afraid of something, let's say. Firstly, I am a fatalist, and you can't run away from fate, so to speak, yes. Secondly, well, I am not afraid of prison, because I have been there, that is, there is no reason to put me in prison now for any of my actions, I do not engage in crime anymore and do not plan to at all. If I am put in prison for some careless statement or for something, well, you are in prison for the truth.
And, probably, to sit for politics, like in Belarus now there are almost a thousand political prisoners, probably it is still noble and I do not see anything terrible in it, so I am not afraid of prison and I am not afraid of death, I have such a yogic approach to this, it is simply an integral part of life. The only thing I want is that on my deathbed I don't regret that I lived my life there somehow wrong,

Larin:
Wrong. Of course, this is a very important story.

Carder:
Therefore, social projects, we are now registering a charitable foundation, I don't know if they will register it or not, because the Ministry of Justice is picking on every comma, every quotation mark. For some reason, it is a really complicated procedure to register an NPO. But I am making some progress in this department. Well, and when should I start thinking about children? Well, somewhere around 35-36, that is, not so long ago, because you know, well, before that I also survived in Moscow, although I had some businesses, but the money from them was enough for large-scale development of businesses and payment for an apartment and some modest food.
But now, with the advent of money, with many projects that have already settled down, including media projects, i.e. why not, i.e. I am now at such a stage of development when I can give my child life experience, and some advice, and provide him with everything he needs.
And here, probably, it is already broader, yes, I am now at such a comfortable age, when I was a cybercriminal and earned so much per month, like, dollars.

Larin:
Shaking?

Carder:
Well, sometimes, yes, I was shaking no, but I was constantly watching who was driving behind me in the rearview mirror, who was calling me. There was such a slight paranoia, but not to a sufficient degree, because they still put me in jail. And now I do not earn so much per month yet, well, plus or minus. It will be close very soon, it will be next year, and it will most likely be more per month. But I feel very comfortable, very.
That is, I don’t know, maybe it’s such a fucking age now, like 38-39, plus everything is fine. You are growing rapidly, no, of course, it is dopamine that makes you happy, of course. On the family front, on the financial front, that is, everything is closed everywhere, everything is cool everywhere, I am surrounded by people whom I want to see, and I am just getting unreal pleasure from life now, that is, even living in Russia, where not everything is perfect yet.

Larin:
In my opinion, this is a great characteristic, in general, of the age, the moment when you can think about children. You understand that you have a place for him to live, that you are in a good state, because everything works out for you, you are surrounded by a great company, and you are not afraid that something completely bad will happen, then you need to launch life into this terrible world.
I can only wish that your plans for reproduction come true.

Carder:
I have already joked with the doctors, we go to the clinic, take some tests. I say, let's say two are born at once. How many would you like? I don't know how God will send. By the way, I like the position, there is some banker, I don't remember, some Moscow bank, Avdeev or something, I don't remember the exact name, I think Avdeev. He has 11 or 15 children and some of them are adopted. He is a multimillionaire, in the state of about a billion or something.
His means allow it, why not? Of course, you don't think about such things anymore. That is, And, apparently, a person, well, loves children, you know, exactly. I don't know if I love children yet, I hate other people's. Seriously? Well, because they're mean, damn, running around.

Larin:
It's the opposite for me, I don't want mine, but when I find myself visiting Stas at the ice hole, I'll play with Udelka there, and other kids too. But, you know, you always understand that you're leaving a party,

Carder:
You're going home with the kids. Let me correct myself. I hate naughty kids who run around somewhere, come to visit us, there, guys with kids, or we come somewhere, they run, make noise, that's it, it drives me crazy.

Larin:
In short, they're ill-mannered here.

Carder:
Yes, perhaps I will treat my own in the same way, perhaps with all the warmth and affection, I don’t know yet how, I haven’t had this experience, I can only guess. My wife says that she thinks that I will be a good father. I hope, I hope, and soon, I hope, we will see this too.

Larin:
Well, super, well, on such a bright, life-affirming note it would be a sin not to end, so thank you for coming, always with you.

Carder:
It’s nice to communicate both within the framework of the video and within the framework of just a friendly chat. Yes, it’s a pity, it doesn’t work out often because of this. Well, now it will be even less often, but, friends, traditionally in the description, and write here more interesting questions. We read everything. We answer everything. Yes, I read somewhere for the first month, when the video comes out, I read and answer almost everything, then I can’t read anymore.
But in general, I am always happy to see feedback and give some advice if you ask for it, and help you in some situations, and don’t get involved in crime first of all, because you see, I had a situation, I got involved in it a long time ago, I spent 10 years in prison for it, and since 2007 I can no longer travel the world, although in principle I paid for it, you understand?
That is, do you need such problems, and maybe the situation is even worse, so do some honest craft, business. Watch smart channels, read smart books, educate yourself. Was it all? Let's do it again.

Larin:
I'll be more concise, don't be scum, develop. That's it. Bye everyone, subscribe to our resources.